₦airaland Forum

john4reala:
I rep. Ukpor
Nnewi adibago mma oooo
Ndi ofe mmanu ga ebido anya ukwu kita

.... if dem born Google well translate this

Nwanne madu...kedu ka eke si Anya anwu...odiegwu dirikwa ebube ....otito dili Chukwu na be anyi adiba go mma


Google na ndi ofe lie nsi mkpi ....Google won't translate this

Timileyin008:
I am a Yoruba dude o but truth be told I so much trip for these set of peeps they are the only peeps that would make me wish to be igbo..

Thank you for saying the truth wishing to be one of us ..may lord bless you.
Yoruba I think are intellectual but they have failed to realise that ....we need a developed south Nigeria at least for now before Biafra comes ..thats left for God to decide not me nor you or nnamdi

Sojebrand:
like WTF are you for real please if you don't know what to type, just do the needful

Maybe with the way he is going he might need the heart surgery due to his bitterness

In the meantime he should keep his highBP kits handy...cos the attack is imminent


Unless he changes

Pls where are the nnewi south peeps here ...I am on hailing mode

Anambra ekene m unu
Ndi Igboukwu ikwu nne m ...ikpele m no na ani
Ndi igbo mmamma nuo

Oga adili igbo mma


Chukwu dube anyi

Otolo gbagbuo ndi osu imi....Google can't translate this
Kitipka gbarie fa


Udo

josite:
i have examined all shades of view on this matter.and i conclude,prince eweka the first king of benin was actually a son of oranmiyan and an eko princess and the present OBA OF LAGOS confirmed that and that was why he is known as OMO NOBA meaning a prince.


but it is clear oduduwa himself came from somewhere and that place he comes from is benin so it is not a suprise that he sent oranmiyan back to benin and when oranmiyan coudnt achieve the desired goal,renamed the town ile ibinu and on his sojourn through eko gave birth to eweka who later become the first of oba of benin.

benin is yoruba and yoruba is benin and the cultures and the dresses and the religion attests to this as yorubas and binis are on the same level when it comes to juju.

You made a nice analysis but the juju part .....hmmmm

Rayhut:
To me the Benin version of Oduduwa been one of the son of Oba of Benin that conquered the Yorubas and impose oba title on Yorubas is more realistic and truth like than Yoruba version of fathers of Oduduwa or Oduduwa himself falling from haeven with a rooster and palm fruits creating ile ife, sound just like a concocted story to cover up their colonization by Benin prince Oduduwa which was one of the sons of Oba of Benin

Same with me ...I am trying to figure out how some dude will come for dinner m sky ....but I just observe that all

Myde4naija:
If the binnis don't want to associate themselves with yoruba I think its fine but you need to work on one thing




Stop using OBA, because you don't need and historical proof to tell you OBA is purely Yoruba language

But there is Oba in igbo language though it means different thing altogether

DICK4UCKPUSSY:
Learn by arguing what they don't know

I think it is not their forte...Benin has spoken and made their position known right from their oba ...I think that should be respected ...pls do you have any Benin monarch or king in afenifere group ..this will be another pointer ...

Just like saying that English uses the term Baron and Scots or Irish uses the term Baron doesn't make Irish English

Or that igalla and idoma uses the term ochi meaning to rule in igbo that doesn't make igalla igbo

Yet igalla and igbo have cultural relationship


But I do t think any sane igbo will impose fraternity in igalla..but I am sure that utsen speak a mixture of Benin and Yoruba ..that might be the link

As of oduduwa tales... That's way beyond me ...e pass me so i can't talk on that subject

DICK4UCKPUSSY:
To cut the story short benin re not yoruba but oba of benin throne is a property of yoruba.
Whether they like it or not the head of oba of benin must rest in ile -ife

Things like this you shouldn't use the term weather they like it on not..it is imposing ...I think you have to convince them with superior argument ...that's a bit matured and intellectual

Don't you think ? I like your position butbe empirical and factual

Super1Star:
The linguistics are very different. Yorubas are not Binis and vice versa. That is an established fact.

How did their kingdom reached Togo without passing through Yorubaland? How come there is no where in Benin Republic or Togo where their language is being spoken, whereas Yoruba is widely spoken in Benin Republic and Togo and which was due to the fact that we conquered a large part of their land. They should us any part of those lands where there could be traces of their influence.

We stand by the fact that their title, crown and throne remains yorubas and the ruling dynasty is from our lineage. We are also repeating that fact that the Oba cannot deny it. If he can, he should and let us put the matter to rest forever, but I am sure he knows the consequence.

We are not interested in their land but they can also not take away the fact that the throne and crown and Oba's title is ours. They used to name their Kings Ogiso.

Oga the word eko is Lagos name and it is a Benin word and mind you they must have used Benin language as an aristocratic language during those days leaving egun,awori and Yoruba for everyday...they might not also be interested in imposing their language

The Romans spoke Latin but allowed the people they ruled to speak their language they considered that barbarian language ....

Just an observation ....the issue i s twy the term oba houkd be known who owned it..me I am observer and learning

Super1Star:
Don't get it twisted. Benin people were and are and will never be Yorubas.

However, the title of their king, the crown of their king and his throne are all ours. He is a descendant of the House of Oduduwa. Ghat is the undeniable fact.

We have dared the Obama to declare he is not from the House of Oduduwa. If Benin people say they are not, of course they are not but that throne cannot dare say that.

They should look for their lost wandering son somewhere else. Maybe he followed a mermaid to the lost city of Atlantis or wandered east to establish the Khoi Khoi tribe.

It doesn't concern me if they are or not...but to be honest with you..I stayed in Benin aroing GRA near airport for two years plus and I now live in Lagos I have not seen any linguistic similarities between the two culture

But I know that Benin empure was influential towards the western Nigeria to Togo and I believe that the title oba that yoruba uses was borrowed from Benin ..this is just my observation. ...I am no historian just observation and candid

There might be relationship between the Benin and Yoruba if I can say cos there is a place called utsen in edo state they speak a mixture of Yoruba and Benin


So its neither here nor there ...but it is left for the Benin to decide ...but one thing that can't be taken away is that the Benin had influence in Yoruba land and maybe Yoruba also had influence ( which can be proved ) with facts


Just like saying that the igbanke had Benin influence in edo state but that doesn't make them benins but igbos


As I said I am just learning history not to yab nor diss sir

kernel504:
IS IT THAT YOU ARE NOT PROUD BEEN A YORUBA MAN, WHY THE IGBO MONIKER?

COWAR....

Thank lord you have noticed that and it took me centuries to even reply him

DICK4UCKPUSSY:
Igbos all over the thread

Can't believe people with no history can have guts to argue with yorubas with rich history.

Call an Abia and anambra men together and ask who is the father of all igbos they will end beating themselves

Sir igbo are here to learn ..is it wrong to have igbo reading this

I think you should face the subject matter and leave igbo out of this


Igbo must be enigmatic

ObidikeObinna:
This is intense obsession

There is no day this man posts without mentioning Yorubas

Are you sure they are not your nemesis?

Did you see the dialogue ...the guy claimed that Benin are Yoruba the Benin man said he'll no he is not a yoruba

Instead of convincing him..he came around to call IPOB and Biafra

That's the funniest thing

If the Benin claim they ain't Yoruba that should be respected ....why call igbo into that again


Maybe he has an igbo masquerade chasing him in his dream


We have to respect people wishes that's all andface argument squarely

Faith111:
Grandparents -Different geopolitical zones.
Parents -Different geopolitical zones...
Myself -Very far from hubby..Different state, Culture and Language.

You still did not answer his questions
What tribes are they from

Yoruba and igbo even ijaw can be found in different political zones

This is why I hate inter tribal marriage
It confuses the kids
It makes them lack confidence i n their tribes

You have proved that now

OLISEH IS A PUNK

NOno noooooooooooooooooooooo you are not rude, I like yoir postulations...very intellectual at some point we have to disagree to agree...yes I will not make a blanket statement that AA are more of Thug culture but we have to look at the Stats, we still have nice educated AA but we are looking at the ratios here possibly in the neigbourhood of 3: 13 possibly...maybe it has to with with a lot of factors

complacency
free R and B culture
the Big Philly culture of partying and having barbeque day in day out( Dont mistake it..its a good idea to be laid back) but it should not be everytime
The AA in ATL are really doing great even the ones in Detriot...I was thinking that Detriot will be in sorry state when the declared bankrupt but the rose like sphinix


I will not make a blanket statement...bro your on point...we tend to have a convergence of ideas somewhere

KidStranglehold:
The long post was just trying to point out to you that YES I AGREE that there are more "AA thugs" in America in than Nigerian, but there are also successful and stable AA communities. I even posted links detailing that many blacks in the city of Atlanta have college degrees. I assumed you ignored it, because in this thread you keep repeating that AA culture only revolves around "thug culture" which is false.

If I came off as rude or bashing Nigerians if I apologize. Its just that I am getting annoyed of the narrative thrown around here that AAs culture is only thug culture or AAs don't care about education.

To answer your question. Yes music has always been a big part of AA culture, I will admit that from Blues, gospels, early Rock, R&B, Soul and Hip Hop. But still not all AAs are trying to be rappers. Its only the ones in poverty who have no education options(they cant afford it) and so they turn to rapping or sports. As notice many AA rappers/athletes come from poor backgrounds. But the middle class AAs are not trying to be rappers and athletes since they are going to college. I never knew an AA in the middle class trying to be a rapper.

Once again I will admit when it comes to college Stem degrees are not degrees AAs usually go after, but I do in fact see many especially when I went to Atlanta go after business degrees. And I'm seeing more of it. Like I said my younger generation of AAs are going to college more often and are going to prison less often.

What you and others have to grasp is that we in America have poverty just Africans have poverty. I'll admit that the poverty in America may not be as severe as the poverty in Africa, but it is still poverty nonetheless. With poverty comes crime to make a living. It seems like AAs are all criminals or thugs because the image America sends to the world(America has a large media), just like we in America assume Africa is all poor because what the media sends to us! But I know this is not true for Africa and there are actually countries like Nigeria and Angola that are growing!

Like I said, yes indeed there are a good amount of AA "thugs", but we cant ignore the good amount of successful AA communities. This video supports my point in Atlanta which is considered an "AA mecca" having a lot of AA businessmen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQKAW_PaZmA

^^^Is that not chasing the American dream?

As for AA culture again it is large and not "thug culture". If you want a good read on AA culture, you should checkout this thread I made on another site.
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/refuting-the-myth-that-black-american-music-culture-is-europeanized.280978/

AA culture is actually more "southern" than it is "urban Hip Hop."

And once again this thread is NOT to bash Nigerians or try to discredit Nigerian accomplishments, BUT TO GRASPS the concept on why Africans/Nigerians may seem to be doing better than AAs in America.


Once again I APOLOGIZE if I cam off as rude/bashing Nigerians. I didn't mean for that.

sugah:
Save your prayers for yours, thank you

Madam abi na Oga

No be quarel ..I know it hurts but the truth must be told

KidStranglehold:
tonychristopher



Are you going to keep ignoring that the Nigerian population is extremely small in America compared to the AA one? Stop acting delusional and stop ignoring my posts to you especially the long one on page one. In which I point out the the broken AA communities along with the successful ones. And also "average" in what? By American/UK "average" standards or Nigerian?

Anyways Africa-Americans ain't taking advantage of the American dream according YOU, because you are so delusional that you keep comparing AAs(again who are a larger population) who are in poverty to Nigerian immigrants.

There is no argument.

Bro ..I am sorry if I ignored your post ..I thought I attended to it...I was a bit busy here at the office ...the long post you made some salient points which I find commendable but atbtye same time you have refused to let us know why the African American tikt towards music sports and raps rather than economics sciences et al


I hope you aint mad at me just trying to get the concept ... Even jamicans are same ..always music ganja et al


Also I think that Africans especially Nigerians are basically into STEM courses yes...from ivy league stats

sugah:
While I agree with you tonychristopher about marrying one's kind, one's kind doesn't necessarily mean tribe.

I married my kind, we are both in same profession and I dont see how I would have coped with marrying someone else.

As for tribe, he is originally from the SW but was born and bred in the north so he speaks yoruba and hausa fluently.
Im originally from the SE but was born and bred in the SW so I speak igbo fluently but speak yoruba sparingly.
But my awesome dh and I speak same language, love. We go from english to yoruba to igbo( yes I speak igbo to him and he responds) as the spirit directs . My kids would be multilingual as they would get igbo from me, yoruba and hausa from their dad.

The culture disparities even makes the relationship fun cos we learn new things about each others cultures.

In all, whether same tribe or not, marriage is about the person you intend to spend the rest of your life with. Not all them mills and boon romance or kim kardashian's or telemundo. If you go into marriage understanding the basics of marriage and with the right foundation (God), tribe is a non-issue.

Well whatever sails your boat ..I pray that it last and I wish you all the best


This is not alarmist ..I have seen majority of inter tribal marriage crash ...if we have statistics its should be like 80% crashing .....I pray yours last ....

Honey I have see a lot from apprehensive inlaws to suspecting hubby to confused offsprings

A whole lot ..its so confusing


One should stick to his or her kind ..not professionally but culturally

There is more to marriage than love... Even if you want to do inter tribal do like igbo-ikwerre-ukwuani thing
Efik-annang-ibibio thing
Yoruba-itshekiri--edo


Buy mind you not all inter tribal marriage fail...some are great and I have seen that also but on the minority


Wish you happy married life

Is olamide married or is it possible he illegitimate son..oh love child

Happy birthday tot

A child is a child be it legitimate or illegitimate or love child


Fatherhood is a gift

About 16 million people in Nigeria visit Facebook every month with 100% of them coming on mobile, the social media and internet conglomerate has announced as it seeks to deepen its business value in Africa’s most populous country of 185 million.



Facebook said “each day, 7.2 million people visit Facebook with seven million on mobile.” The company plans to further deliver personalised marketing for the army of already entrenched and new companies exploring the newer, wider opportunities for brand visibility and marketing offered by Facebook.



Facebook’s visit coincided with Friends Day (4 February), or Facebook’s 12th birthday. During the past five years, the global Facebook community has more than doubled in size, and its community in Nigeria continues to grow.

http://itedgenews.com/2016/02/05/facebook-deepens-nigerian-partnerships/#

Chanda attacks the first argument, saying that the average African immigrant is very average:

I actually know that the average African immigrants to the UK from any nation or tribe are not from the African elite class, economically or intellectually (even if there is a small segment from the super-professional class)

He also points to the example of African American families. The children of middle-class and even upper-class African Americans do worse on IQ tests than the children of lower-class Euro-American families. So even if you select from the black elite, the next generation will still underperform whites.

One could counter that the African American middle class largely works for the government. In Africa, the middle class is more likely to be self-made men and women. Also, a selection effect may exist despite the averageness of most African immigrants to the UK. Even if most are average, it may be that fewer are below-average. Below a certain level of ability, many Africans may not bother to emigrate.

Fuerst (2014) has studied this question and found that black immigrants to the U.S. have a mean IQ that is one third of a standard deviation above the mean IQ of their home countries. So there is a selection effect. But it seems too weak to explain the difference in IQ—more than one standard deviation and possibly two—between African immigrants to the UK and Africans back home, unless one assumes that migration to the UK is a lot more selective than migration to the US.

What does the GCSE actually measure?

We now come to the second explanation. It is assumed in this debate that the GCSE (General Certificate of Secondary Education) is a good proxy for IQ, which in turn is a proxy for the heritable component of intelligence. Is this true? Or does the GCSE largely measure something that is culturally acquired rather than heritable? Perhaps something as simple as showing up for class, doing one's assignments, or having a private tutor. This point is raised by one commenter:

[...] black Africans in London, even if poor and living in social housing, hire private tutors for their children. White British do not, especially the working class. This much better explains the GCSE results, a very tuition friendly test [...]

Furthermore, many African immigrants may be targeting those exams they can do best on and avoiding those they are less sure about:

[...] one needs to know how many children from each racial group take the exams. For example, the pass rate for Higher Mathematics is very high, not because the exams are easy, but because they are hard, and frighten off most applicants.

Interestingly, Chanda replies to this GCSE skepticism by pointing out that the same "Nigerians" (Igbos) who do well on the GCSE also do well in Nigeria:

For example, the subgroups within the Nigerian group that are the best in Nigeria or even in the US etc are also the best on the GCSEs. Also, the Traveller white (or whatever precise race) groups are placed by the GCSEs exactly where you would expect to find them.

The Igbo factor

This brings us to the third explanation. It's the one I favor, although the other two probably play a role. African excellence in the UK seems largely driven by a single high-performing people: the Igbo of southeastern Nigeria. Let's begin with the example of Harold Ekeh, whom Chanda describes in glowing terms:

Harold Ekeh showing off his acceptance letters to all 8 Ivy League Schools. He was born in Nigeria and migrated with his parents at age 8.

Ekeh is an Igbo name, and the Igbo (formerly known as Ibo) have a long history of academic success within Nigeria (Frost, 2015). Chanda himself referred to this success in his first article:

The superior Igbo achievement on GCSEs is not new and has been noted in studies that came before the recent media discovery of African performance. A 2007 report on "case study" model schools in Lambeth also included a rare disclosure of specified Igbo performance (recorded as Ibo in the table below) and it confirms that Igbos have been performing exceptionally well for a long time (5 + A*-C GCSEs); in fact, it is difficult to find a time when they ever performed below British whites. (Chisala, 2015a)

This superior achievement was widely known in Nigeria by the time of independence:

All over Nigeria, Ibos filled urban jobs at every level far out of proportion to their numbers, as laborers and domestic servants, as bureaucrats, corporate managers, and technicians. Two-thirds of the senior jobs in the Nigerian Railway Corporation were held by Ibos. Three-quarters of Nigeria's diplomats came from the Eastern Region. So did almost half of the 4,500 students graduating from Nigerian universities in 1966. The Ibos became known as the "Jews of Africa," despised—and envied—for their achievements and acquisitiveness. (Baker, 1980)

The term "Jews of Africa" recurs often in the literature. Henry Kissinger used it back in the 1960s:

The Ibos are the wandering Jews of West Africa — gifted, aggressive, Westernized; at best envied and resented, but mostly despised by the mass of their neighbors in the Federation. (Kissinger, 1969)

To what degree is African success Igbo success? If we go back to Chanda's first article, we see that high African achievers are overwhelmingly "Nigerians" (Chisala, 2015a). This is evident in a chart that lists mean % difference from the mean English GCSE score in 2010-2011 by ethnicity:

Nigerian: +21.8
Ghanaian: +5.5
Sierra Leone: +1.4
Somali: -23.7
Congolese: -35.3

Clearly, high academic achievement is due to something that is very much present in Nigeria, a little bit in Ghana, and not at all in Somalia and Congo. Could this something be the Igbo? The Igbo make up 18% of Nigeria's population and form a large diaspora elsewhere in West Africa and farther afield. In fact, they seem to be disproportionately represented in overseas Nigerian communities, making up most of the Nigerian community in Japan and a large portion of China's Nigerian community (Wikipedia, 2015). Statistics are unfortunately lacking for the UK.

Conclusion

What happens when we remove Igbo students from the GCSE results? How well do the other Africans do? To some degree, Chanda answered that question in his first article. African excellence seems to be overwhelmingly Igbo excellence.

So why doesn't he speak of Igbo excellence? Probably because he assumes that all sub-Saharan Africans are fundamentally the same. Or maybe he assumes that all humans are fundamentally the same. Both assumptions are wrong, and neither can be construed as an "HBD position."

We are all genetically different, even within our own families. So why the surprise that different African peoples are ... different? The Igbo have for a long time specialized in a trading lifestyle that favors a certain mental toolkit: future time orientation; numeracy, and abstract reasoning. This is gene-culture coevolution. When circumstances push people to excel in a certain way, there will be selection for people who can naturally excel in that way, without the prodding of circumstances. And it doesn't take eons of time for such evolution to work.

Will we hear more about the Igbo in this debate? Probably not. There is a strong desire, especially in the United Kingdom, to show that blacks are converging toward white norms of behavior, including academic performance. There is indeed some convergence, but almost all of it can be traced to the growing numbers of high-performing "Nigerians" (Igbos) and the growing numbers of biracial children (the census now has a mixed-race category, but most biracial people still self-identify as "black". In the UK, 55% of Black Caribbean men and 40% of Black Caribbean women have a partner from another ethnic background. It's very likely that half of all "black" children in the UK are at least half-white by ancestry (Platt, 2009, p. 7).

Nor is it likely that we'll hear more about the Igbo from Chanda. As he sees it, the debate should be over. The academic excellence of Igbo students proves that the black/white IQ gap in the U.S. cannot have a genetic basis:

[It is not] a function of global racial evolution (Sub-Saharan African genes versus European genes), as most hereditarians believe, especially those who identify with the Human Biodiversity or HBD intellectual movement (generally known as "scientific racism" in academic circles, but we are avoiding such unkind terms).

Thank you, Chanda, for avoiding unkind terms. Well, I know a bit about HBD. The term was coined by Steve Sailer in the late 1990s for an email discussion group that included myself and various academics who may or may not want their names disclosed. It's hard to generalize but we were all influenced by findings that genetic evolution didn’t slow down as cultural evolution speeded up in our species. In fact, the two seemed to feed into each other. This is why genetic evolution accelerated over 100-fold about 10,000 years ago when humans began to abandon hunting and gathering for farming, which in turn led to ever more diverse societies. Our ancestors thus adapted much more to their cultural environments than to their natural environments. These findings were already circulating within our discussion group before being written up in a paper by Hawks et al. (2007) and later in a book by Greg Cochran and Henry Harpending (2009).

Yes, previously it was thought that genetic evolution slowed to a crawl with the advent of culture. Therefore, groups like the Igbo couldn't possibly differ genetically from other sub-Saharan Africans, at least not for anything culture-related. But that kind of thinking wasn't HBD or even racialist. It was simply the old anthropological narrative, and it's still accepted by many anthropologists, most of whom aren't "scientific racists."

Oh sorry, I forgot we promised to avoid that term.


http://evoandproud..com.ng/2015/10/no-blacks-arent-all-alike-who-said-they.html

Are African immigrants better than the Africans left behind?

Chanda attacks the first argument, saying that the average African immigrant is very average:

I actually know that the average African immigrants to the UK from any nation or tribe are not from the African elite class, economically or intellectually (even if there is a small segment from the super-professional class)

He also points to the example of African American families. The children of middle-class and even upper-class African Americans do worse on IQ tests than the children of lower-class Euro-American families. So even if you select from the black elite, the next generation will still underperform whites.

One could counter that the African American middle class largely works for the government. In Africa, the middle class is more likely to be self-made men and women. Also, a selection effect may exist despite the averageness of most African immigrants to the UK. Even if most are average, it may be that fewer are below-average. Below a certain level of ability, many Africans may not bother to emigrate.

Fuerst (2014) has studied this question and found that black immigrants to the U.S. have a mean IQ that is one third of a standard deviation above the mean IQ of their home countries. So there is a selection effect. But it seems too weak to explain the difference in IQ—more than one standard deviation and possibly two—between African immigrants to the UK and Africans back home, unless one assumes that migration to the UK is a lot more selective than migration to the US.

What does the GCSE actually measure?

We now come to the second explanation. It is assumed in this debate that the GCSE (General Certificate of Secondary Education) is a good proxy for IQ, which in turn is a proxy for the heritable component of intelligence. Is this true? Or does the GCSE largely measure something that is culturally acquired rather than heritable? Perhaps something as simple as showing up for class, doing one's assignments, or having a private tutor. This point is raised by one commenter:

[...] black Africans in London, even if poor and living in social housing, hire private tutors for their children. White British do not, especially the working class. This much better explains the GCSE results, a very tuition friendly test [...]

Furthermore, many African immigrants may be targeting those exams they can do best on and avoiding those they are less sure about:

[...] one needs to know how many children from each racial group take the exams. For example, the pass rate for Higher Mathematics is very high, not because the exams are easy, but because they are hard, and frighten off most applicants.

Interestingly, Chanda replies to this GCSE skepticism by pointing out that the same "Nigerians" (Igbos) who do well on the GCSE also do well in Nigeria:

For example, the subgroups within the Nigerian group that are the best in Nigeria or even in the US etc are also the best on the GCSEs. Also, the Traveller white (or whatever precise race) groups are placed by the GCSEs exactly where you would expect to find them.

The Igbo factor

This brings us to the third explanation. It's the one I favor, although the other two probably play a role. African excellence in the UK seems largely driven by a single high-performing people: the Igbo of southeastern Nigeria. Let's begin with the example of Harold Ekeh, whom Chanda describes in glowing terms:

Harold Ekeh showing off his acceptance letters to all 8 Ivy League Schools. He was born in Nigeria and migrated with his parents at age 8.

Ekeh is an Igbo name, and the Igbo (formerly known as Ibo) have a long history of academic success within Nigeria (Frost, 2015). Chanda himself referred to this success in his first article:

The superior Igbo achievement on GCSEs is not new and has been noted in studies that came before the recent media discovery of African performance. A 2007 report on "case study" model schools in Lambeth also included a rare disclosure of specified Igbo performance (recorded as Ibo in the table below) and it confirms that Igbos have been performing exceptionally well for a long time (5 + A*-C GCSEs); in fact, it is difficult to find a time when they ever performed below British whites. (Chisala, 2015a)

This superior achievement was widely known in Nigeria by the time of independence:

All over Nigeria, Ibos filled urban jobs at every level far out of proportion to their numbers, as laborers and domestic servants, as bureaucrats, corporate managers, and technicians. Two-thirds of the senior jobs in the Nigerian Railway Corporation were held by Ibos. Three-quarters of Nigeria's diplomats came from the Eastern Region. So did almost half of the 4,500 students graduating from Nigerian universities in 1966. The Ibos became known as the "Jews of Africa," despised—and envied—for their achievements and acquisitiveness. (Baker, 1980)

The term "Jews of Africa" recurs often in the literature. Henry Kissinger used it back in the 1960s:

The Ibos are the wandering Jews of West Africa — gifted, aggressive, Westernized; at best envied and resented, but mostly despised by the mass of their neighbors in the Federation. (Kissinger, 1969)

To what degree is African success Igbo success? If we go back to Chanda's first article, we see that high African achievers are overwhelmingly "Nigerians" (Chisala, 2015a). This is evident in a chart that lists mean % difference from the mean English GCSE score in 2010-2011 by ethnicity:

Nigerian: +21.8
Ghanaian: +5.5
Sierra Leone: +1.4
Somali: -23.7
Congolese: -35.3

Clearly, high academic achievement is due to something that is very much present in Nigeria, a little bit in Ghana, and not at all in Somalia and Congo. Could this something be the Igbo? The Igbo make up 18% of Nigeria's population and form a large diaspora elsewhere in West Africa and farther afield. In fact, they seem to be disproportionately represented in overseas Nigerian communities, making up most of the Nigerian community in Japan and a large portion of China's Nigerian community (Wikipedia, 2015). Statistics are unfortunately lacking for the UK.

Conclusion

What happens when we remove Igbo students from the GCSE results? How well do the other Africans do? To some degree, Chanda answered that question in his first article. African excellence seems to be overwhelmingly Igbo excellence.

So why doesn't he speak of Igbo excellence? Probably because he assumes that all sub-Saharan Africans are fundamentally the same. Or maybe he assumes that all humans are fundamentally the same. Both assumptions are wrong, and neither can be construed as an "HBD position."

We are all genetically different, even within our own families. So why the surprise that different African peoples are ... different? The Igbo have for a long time specialized in a trading lifestyle that favors a certain mental toolkit: future time orientation; numeracy, and abstract reasoning. This is gene-culture coevolution. When circumstances push people to excel in a certain way, there will be selection for people who can naturally excel in that way, without the prodding of circumstances. And it doesn't take eons of time for such evolution to work.

Will we hear more about the Igbo in this debate? Probably not. There is a strong desire, especially in the United Kingdom, to show that blacks are converging toward white norms of behavior, including academic performance. There is indeed some convergence, but almost all of it can be traced to the growing numbers of high-performing "Nigerians" (Igbos) and the growing numbers of biracial children (the census now has a mixed-race category, but most biracial people still self-identify as "black". In the UK, 55% of Black Caribbean men and 40% of Black Caribbean women have a partner from another ethnic background. It's very likely that half of all "black" children in the UK are at least half-white by ancestry (Platt, 2009, p. 7).

Nor is it likely that we'll hear more about the Igbo from Chanda. As he sees it, the debate should be over. The academic excellence of Igbo students proves that the black/white IQ gap in the U.S. cannot have a genetic basis:

[It is not] a function of global racial evolution (Sub-Saharan African genes versus European genes), as most hereditarians believe, especially those who identify with the Human Biodiversity or HBD intellectual movement (generally known as "scientific racism" in academic circles, but we are avoiding such unkind terms).

Thank you, Chanda, for avoiding unkind terms. Well, I know a bit about HBD. The term was coined by Steve Sailer in the late 1990s for an email discussion group that included myself and various academics who may or may not want their names disclosed. It's hard to generalize but we were all influenced by findings that genetic evolution didn’t slow down as cultural evolution speeded up in our species. In fact, the two seemed to feed into each other. This is why genetic evolution accelerated over 100-fold about 10,000 years ago when humans began to abandon hunting and gathering for farming, which in turn led to ever more diverse societies. Our ancestors thus adapted much more to their cultural environments than to their natural environments. These findings were already circulating within our discussion group before being written up in a paper by Hawks et al. (2007) and later in a book by Greg Cochran and Henry Harpending (2009).

Yes, previously it was thought that genetic evolution slowed to a crawl with the advent of culture. Therefore, groups like the Igbo couldn't possibly differ genetically from other sub-Saharan Africans, at least not for anything culture-related. But that kind of thinking wasn't HBD or even racialist. It was simply the old anthropological narrative, and it's still accepted by many anthropologists, most of whom aren't "scientific racists."

Oh sorry, I forgot we promised to avoid that term.


http://evoandproud..com.ng/2015/10/no-blacks-arent-all-alike-who-said-they.html

KidStranglehold:
Then post studies debunking the ones I posted. When many recent studies states Asians and Indians who come to the USA already come from well-off families.

We can ignore this all we want.

The truth about Asian Americans' success (it's not what you think)
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/opinions/lee-immigration-ethnic-capital/

Asian Americans and the 'model minority' myth
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0123-wu-chua-model-minority-chinese-20140123-story.html

The Growing Poverty Crisis That Everyone Is Ignoring
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/09/26/3705261/asian-american-poverty/

And like I said Mexicans are no better of than AAs. Do you even live in the states?

Miami11:
Poster the examples you gave seems to be all about bad marriages and not specific to tribal issues.

I can see where inter-tribal marriages could cause problems down the road. Too much drama and interference.

1. Both parties do not really have the commitment needed to over-come the huddles/challenges presented.

2. Both parties are easily influenced by their respective families and listen to irrelevant "opinions" as to how to manage the relationship with eachother.

3. Serious language barrier....when one does not understand or speak the language of the other and often feels like a fish out of water around extended family members.


Would I get into an inter-tribal marriage? No.

Reason.....I really like to stick to my own kind......just because, I love the comfort of the "familiar" and really do not care for all the drama around inter-tribal or inter-racial marriages. Just don't have the time for all that mess. I really don't do "tribalistic" set ups. Not that adventurous.

That would really wear me out and I would really lose interest fast enough for sure

Zombies are like

Nawa for APC kai Lai you can lie

You still have not answered the question you are negative minded...everything must not end in war...


What if there is no Nigeria by 2019 ...have you ever thought of that possibility

I n life you cant be 100% sure


why are you scared of standing alone?

blackpanda:
God forbid! You think u are facing hard times till u visit places like syria and sudan, then u know what hardship is. Nigeria is both resilient and blessed. Nothing can stop us moving forward!

blackpanda:
If obiano continues like this, an igbo man might finally stand chance of becoming president in 2019

What if there is nothing like Nigeria by 2019..have you ever thought of that possibility

Atigba:
Rubbish
Benin snd yoruba has nothing in common

Yoruba are slave to benin people

End of discussion

danot1030:
Those Benin indigenes that have been fed with fake history by their parents and those useless IPOB Biafra youth who always think the Yoruba nation is in rivalry of prominence with their tribe and would therefore support anything that is against Yoruba should come and learn from this historic picture and stop arguements.

Yoruba man has problem with hausa he calls igbo
Now to convince Benin man of his brotherhood he also blames igbo

Igbo are their nemesis

tunde1200:
Bro how are you please there are good ladies out there.

Have you really ask what make the father of those children not marrying her?. I'm sure you will not like it.

You are to young for that because when you start working the responsilities will be too much to carry unless if she continue her way on the children.

Also confirm if both of you genotype and blood group are compartible.

Lost of responsible yoruba ladies out there why that from east uppon all there hates on your tribe here alone, guy open your eyes and listen to your parent.
My parent also refuse my marriage with a lady 4years older than me. I also not listen but later its like blaming myself silently lots of things started going wrong due to she is getting old and I'm still young and active till date you know now.

I ended up having another woman and things changed for better till date as I am now i give thanks to almighty.

This Yoruba boy..learn to work hard and never live off a woman

The age difference isn't the problem cis you guys are still mates
.the problem are the additional burden of the kids and language

Does it mean that there is no Yoruba woman that catches your fancy

Chasing other tribes women isn't honorable to this extent


You have e to be wise
Obey your parents
Don't be infatuated
Your still a kid