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KidStranglehold:
tonychristopher



Are you going to keep ignoring that the Nigerian population is extremely small in America compared to the AA one? Stop acting delusional and stop ignoring my posts to you especially the long one on page one. In which I point out the the broken AA communities along with the successful ones. And also "average" in what? By American/UK "average" standards or Nigerian?

Anyways Africa-Americans ain't taking advantage of the American dream according YOU, because you are so delusional that you keep comparing AAs(again who are a larger population) who are in poverty to Nigerian immigrants.

There is no argument.

Bro ..I am sorry if I ignored your post ..I thought I attended to it...I was a bit busy here at the office ...the long post you made some salient points which I find commendable but atbtye same time you have refused to let us know why the African American tikt towards music sports and raps rather than economics sciences et al


I hope you aint mad at me just trying to get the concept ... Even jamicans are same ..always music ganja et al


Also I think that Africans especially Nigerians are basically into STEM courses yes...from ivy league stats

sugah:
While I agree with you tonychristopher about marrying one's kind, one's kind doesn't necessarily mean tribe.

I married my kind, we are both in same profession and I dont see how I would have coped with marrying someone else.

As for tribe, he is originally from the SW but was born and bred in the north so he speaks yoruba and hausa fluently.
Im originally from the SE but was born and bred in the SW so I speak igbo fluently but speak yoruba sparingly.
But my awesome dh and I speak same language, love. We go from english to yoruba to igbo( yes I speak igbo to him and he responds) as the spirit directs . My kids would be multilingual as they would get igbo from me, yoruba and hausa from their dad.

The culture disparities even makes the relationship fun cos we learn new things about each others cultures.

In all, whether same tribe or not, marriage is about the person you intend to spend the rest of your life with. Not all them mills and boon romance or kim kardashian's or telemundo. If you go into marriage understanding the basics of marriage and with the right foundation (God), tribe is a non-issue.

Well whatever sails your boat ..I pray that it last and I wish you all the best


This is not alarmist ..I have seen majority of inter tribal marriage crash ...if we have statistics its should be like 80% crashing .....I pray yours last ....

Honey I have see a lot from apprehensive inlaws to suspecting hubby to confused offsprings

A whole lot ..its so confusing


One should stick to his or her kind ..not professionally but culturally

There is more to marriage than love... Even if you want to do inter tribal do like igbo-ikwerre-ukwuani thing
Efik-annang-ibibio thing
Yoruba-itshekiri--edo


Buy mind you not all inter tribal marriage fail...some are great and I have seen that also but on the minority


Wish you happy married life

Is olamide married or is it possible he illegitimate son..oh love child

Happy birthday tot

A child is a child be it legitimate or illegitimate or love child


Fatherhood is a gift

About 16 million people in Nigeria visit Facebook every month with 100% of them coming on mobile, the social media and internet conglomerate has announced as it seeks to deepen its business value in Africa’s most populous country of 185 million.



Facebook said “each day, 7.2 million people visit Facebook with seven million on mobile.” The company plans to further deliver personalised marketing for the army of already entrenched and new companies exploring the newer, wider opportunities for brand visibility and marketing offered by Facebook.



Facebook’s visit coincided with Friends Day (4 February), or Facebook’s 12th birthday. During the past five years, the global Facebook community has more than doubled in size, and its community in Nigeria continues to grow.

http://itedgenews.com/2016/02/05/facebook-deepens-nigerian-partnerships/#

Chanda attacks the first argument, saying that the average African immigrant is very average:

I actually know that the average African immigrants to the UK from any nation or tribe are not from the African elite class, economically or intellectually (even if there is a small segment from the super-professional class)

He also points to the example of African American families. The children of middle-class and even upper-class African Americans do worse on IQ tests than the children of lower-class Euro-American families. So even if you select from the black elite, the next generation will still underperform whites.

One could counter that the African American middle class largely works for the government. In Africa, the middle class is more likely to be self-made men and women. Also, a selection effect may exist despite the averageness of most African immigrants to the UK. Even if most are average, it may be that fewer are below-average. Below a certain level of ability, many Africans may not bother to emigrate.

Fuerst (2014) has studied this question and found that black immigrants to the U.S. have a mean IQ that is one third of a standard deviation above the mean IQ of their home countries. So there is a selection effect. But it seems too weak to explain the difference in IQ—more than one standard deviation and possibly two—between African immigrants to the UK and Africans back home, unless one assumes that migration to the UK is a lot more selective than migration to the US.

What does the GCSE actually measure?

We now come to the second explanation. It is assumed in this debate that the GCSE (General Certificate of Secondary Education) is a good proxy for IQ, which in turn is a proxy for the heritable component of intelligence. Is this true? Or does the GCSE largely measure something that is culturally acquired rather than heritable? Perhaps something as simple as showing up for class, doing one's assignments, or having a private tutor. This point is raised by one commenter:

[...] black Africans in London, even if poor and living in social housing, hire private tutors for their children. White British do not, especially the working class. This much better explains the GCSE results, a very tuition friendly test [...]

Furthermore, many African immigrants may be targeting those exams they can do best on and avoiding those they are less sure about:

[...] one needs to know how many children from each racial group take the exams. For example, the pass rate for Higher Mathematics is very high, not because the exams are easy, but because they are hard, and frighten off most applicants.

Interestingly, Chanda replies to this GCSE skepticism by pointing out that the same "Nigerians" (Igbos) who do well on the GCSE also do well in Nigeria:

For example, the subgroups within the Nigerian group that are the best in Nigeria or even in the US etc are also the best on the GCSEs. Also, the Traveller white (or whatever precise race) groups are placed by the GCSEs exactly where you would expect to find them.

The Igbo factor

This brings us to the third explanation. It's the one I favor, although the other two probably play a role. African excellence in the UK seems largely driven by a single high-performing people: the Igbo of southeastern Nigeria. Let's begin with the example of Harold Ekeh, whom Chanda describes in glowing terms:

Harold Ekeh showing off his acceptance letters to all 8 Ivy League Schools. He was born in Nigeria and migrated with his parents at age 8.

Ekeh is an Igbo name, and the Igbo (formerly known as Ibo) have a long history of academic success within Nigeria (Frost, 2015). Chanda himself referred to this success in his first article:

The superior Igbo achievement on GCSEs is not new and has been noted in studies that came before the recent media discovery of African performance. A 2007 report on "case study" model schools in Lambeth also included a rare disclosure of specified Igbo performance (recorded as Ibo in the table below) and it confirms that Igbos have been performing exceptionally well for a long time (5 + A*-C GCSEs); in fact, it is difficult to find a time when they ever performed below British whites. (Chisala, 2015a)

This superior achievement was widely known in Nigeria by the time of independence:

All over Nigeria, Ibos filled urban jobs at every level far out of proportion to their numbers, as laborers and domestic servants, as bureaucrats, corporate managers, and technicians. Two-thirds of the senior jobs in the Nigerian Railway Corporation were held by Ibos. Three-quarters of Nigeria's diplomats came from the Eastern Region. So did almost half of the 4,500 students graduating from Nigerian universities in 1966. The Ibos became known as the "Jews of Africa," despised—and envied—for their achievements and acquisitiveness. (Baker, 1980)

The term "Jews of Africa" recurs often in the literature. Henry Kissinger used it back in the 1960s:

The Ibos are the wandering Jews of West Africa — gifted, aggressive, Westernized; at best envied and resented, but mostly despised by the mass of their neighbors in the Federation. (Kissinger, 1969)

To what degree is African success Igbo success? If we go back to Chanda's first article, we see that high African achievers are overwhelmingly "Nigerians" (Chisala, 2015a). This is evident in a chart that lists mean % difference from the mean English GCSE score in 2010-2011 by ethnicity:

Nigerian: +21.8
Ghanaian: +5.5
Sierra Leone: +1.4
Somali: -23.7
Congolese: -35.3

Clearly, high academic achievement is due to something that is very much present in Nigeria, a little bit in Ghana, and not at all in Somalia and Congo. Could this something be the Igbo? The Igbo make up 18% of Nigeria's population and form a large diaspora elsewhere in West Africa and farther afield. In fact, they seem to be disproportionately represented in overseas Nigerian communities, making up most of the Nigerian community in Japan and a large portion of China's Nigerian community (Wikipedia, 2015). Statistics are unfortunately lacking for the UK.

Conclusion

What happens when we remove Igbo students from the GCSE results? How well do the other Africans do? To some degree, Chanda answered that question in his first article. African excellence seems to be overwhelmingly Igbo excellence.

So why doesn't he speak of Igbo excellence? Probably because he assumes that all sub-Saharan Africans are fundamentally the same. Or maybe he assumes that all humans are fundamentally the same. Both assumptions are wrong, and neither can be construed as an "HBD position."

We are all genetically different, even within our own families. So why the surprise that different African peoples are ... different? The Igbo have for a long time specialized in a trading lifestyle that favors a certain mental toolkit: future time orientation; numeracy, and abstract reasoning. This is gene-culture coevolution. When circumstances push people to excel in a certain way, there will be selection for people who can naturally excel in that way, without the prodding of circumstances. And it doesn't take eons of time for such evolution to work.

Will we hear more about the Igbo in this debate? Probably not. There is a strong desire, especially in the United Kingdom, to show that blacks are converging toward white norms of behavior, including academic performance. There is indeed some convergence, but almost all of it can be traced to the growing numbers of high-performing "Nigerians" (Igbos) and the growing numbers of biracial children (the census now has a mixed-race category, but most biracial people still self-identify as "black". In the UK, 55% of Black Caribbean men and 40% of Black Caribbean women have a partner from another ethnic background. It's very likely that half of all "black" children in the UK are at least half-white by ancestry (Platt, 2009, p. 7).

Nor is it likely that we'll hear more about the Igbo from Chanda. As he sees it, the debate should be over. The academic excellence of Igbo students proves that the black/white IQ gap in the U.S. cannot have a genetic basis:

[It is not] a function of global racial evolution (Sub-Saharan African genes versus European genes), as most hereditarians believe, especially those who identify with the Human Biodiversity or HBD intellectual movement (generally known as "scientific racism" in academic circles, but we are avoiding such unkind terms).

Thank you, Chanda, for avoiding unkind terms. Well, I know a bit about HBD. The term was coined by Steve Sailer in the late 1990s for an email discussion group that included myself and various academics who may or may not want their names disclosed. It's hard to generalize but we were all influenced by findings that genetic evolution didn’t slow down as cultural evolution speeded up in our species. In fact, the two seemed to feed into each other. This is why genetic evolution accelerated over 100-fold about 10,000 years ago when humans began to abandon hunting and gathering for farming, which in turn led to ever more diverse societies. Our ancestors thus adapted much more to their cultural environments than to their natural environments. These findings were already circulating within our discussion group before being written up in a paper by Hawks et al. (2007) and later in a book by Greg Cochran and Henry Harpending (2009).

Yes, previously it was thought that genetic evolution slowed to a crawl with the advent of culture. Therefore, groups like the Igbo couldn't possibly differ genetically from other sub-Saharan Africans, at least not for anything culture-related. But that kind of thinking wasn't HBD or even racialist. It was simply the old anthropological narrative, and it's still accepted by many anthropologists, most of whom aren't "scientific racists."

Oh sorry, I forgot we promised to avoid that term.


http://evoandproud..com.ng/2015/10/no-blacks-arent-all-alike-who-said-they.html

Are African immigrants better than the Africans left behind?

Chanda attacks the first argument, saying that the average African immigrant is very average:

I actually know that the average African immigrants to the UK from any nation or tribe are not from the African elite class, economically or intellectually (even if there is a small segment from the super-professional class)

He also points to the example of African American families. The children of middle-class and even upper-class African Americans do worse on IQ tests than the children of lower-class Euro-American families. So even if you select from the black elite, the next generation will still underperform whites.

One could counter that the African American middle class largely works for the government. In Africa, the middle class is more likely to be self-made men and women. Also, a selection effect may exist despite the averageness of most African immigrants to the UK. Even if most are average, it may be that fewer are below-average. Below a certain level of ability, many Africans may not bother to emigrate.

Fuerst (2014) has studied this question and found that black immigrants to the U.S. have a mean IQ that is one third of a standard deviation above the mean IQ of their home countries. So there is a selection effect. But it seems too weak to explain the difference in IQ—more than one standard deviation and possibly two—between African immigrants to the UK and Africans back home, unless one assumes that migration to the UK is a lot more selective than migration to the US.

What does the GCSE actually measure?

We now come to the second explanation. It is assumed in this debate that the GCSE (General Certificate of Secondary Education) is a good proxy for IQ, which in turn is a proxy for the heritable component of intelligence. Is this true? Or does the GCSE largely measure something that is culturally acquired rather than heritable? Perhaps something as simple as showing up for class, doing one's assignments, or having a private tutor. This point is raised by one commenter:

[...] black Africans in London, even if poor and living in social housing, hire private tutors for their children. White British do not, especially the working class. This much better explains the GCSE results, a very tuition friendly test [...]

Furthermore, many African immigrants may be targeting those exams they can do best on and avoiding those they are less sure about:

[...] one needs to know how many children from each racial group take the exams. For example, the pass rate for Higher Mathematics is very high, not because the exams are easy, but because they are hard, and frighten off most applicants.

Interestingly, Chanda replies to this GCSE skepticism by pointing out that the same "Nigerians" (Igbos) who do well on the GCSE also do well in Nigeria:

For example, the subgroups within the Nigerian group that are the best in Nigeria or even in the US etc are also the best on the GCSEs. Also, the Traveller white (or whatever precise race) groups are placed by the GCSEs exactly where you would expect to find them.

The Igbo factor

This brings us to the third explanation. It's the one I favor, although the other two probably play a role. African excellence in the UK seems largely driven by a single high-performing people: the Igbo of southeastern Nigeria. Let's begin with the example of Harold Ekeh, whom Chanda describes in glowing terms:

Harold Ekeh showing off his acceptance letters to all 8 Ivy League Schools. He was born in Nigeria and migrated with his parents at age 8.

Ekeh is an Igbo name, and the Igbo (formerly known as Ibo) have a long history of academic success within Nigeria (Frost, 2015). Chanda himself referred to this success in his first article:

The superior Igbo achievement on GCSEs is not new and has been noted in studies that came before the recent media discovery of African performance. A 2007 report on "case study" model schools in Lambeth also included a rare disclosure of specified Igbo performance (recorded as Ibo in the table below) and it confirms that Igbos have been performing exceptionally well for a long time (5 + A*-C GCSEs); in fact, it is difficult to find a time when they ever performed below British whites. (Chisala, 2015a)

This superior achievement was widely known in Nigeria by the time of independence:

All over Nigeria, Ibos filled urban jobs at every level far out of proportion to their numbers, as laborers and domestic servants, as bureaucrats, corporate managers, and technicians. Two-thirds of the senior jobs in the Nigerian Railway Corporation were held by Ibos. Three-quarters of Nigeria's diplomats came from the Eastern Region. So did almost half of the 4,500 students graduating from Nigerian universities in 1966. The Ibos became known as the "Jews of Africa," despised—and envied—for their achievements and acquisitiveness. (Baker, 1980)

The term "Jews of Africa" recurs often in the literature. Henry Kissinger used it back in the 1960s:

The Ibos are the wandering Jews of West Africa — gifted, aggressive, Westernized; at best envied and resented, but mostly despised by the mass of their neighbors in the Federation. (Kissinger, 1969)

To what degree is African success Igbo success? If we go back to Chanda's first article, we see that high African achievers are overwhelmingly "Nigerians" (Chisala, 2015a). This is evident in a chart that lists mean % difference from the mean English GCSE score in 2010-2011 by ethnicity:

Nigerian: +21.8
Ghanaian: +5.5
Sierra Leone: +1.4
Somali: -23.7
Congolese: -35.3

Clearly, high academic achievement is due to something that is very much present in Nigeria, a little bit in Ghana, and not at all in Somalia and Congo. Could this something be the Igbo? The Igbo make up 18% of Nigeria's population and form a large diaspora elsewhere in West Africa and farther afield. In fact, they seem to be disproportionately represented in overseas Nigerian communities, making up most of the Nigerian community in Japan and a large portion of China's Nigerian community (Wikipedia, 2015). Statistics are unfortunately lacking for the UK.

Conclusion

What happens when we remove Igbo students from the GCSE results? How well do the other Africans do? To some degree, Chanda answered that question in his first article. African excellence seems to be overwhelmingly Igbo excellence.

So why doesn't he speak of Igbo excellence? Probably because he assumes that all sub-Saharan Africans are fundamentally the same. Or maybe he assumes that all humans are fundamentally the same. Both assumptions are wrong, and neither can be construed as an "HBD position."

We are all genetically different, even within our own families. So why the surprise that different African peoples are ... different? The Igbo have for a long time specialized in a trading lifestyle that favors a certain mental toolkit: future time orientation; numeracy, and abstract reasoning. This is gene-culture coevolution. When circumstances push people to excel in a certain way, there will be selection for people who can naturally excel in that way, without the prodding of circumstances. And it doesn't take eons of time for such evolution to work.

Will we hear more about the Igbo in this debate? Probably not. There is a strong desire, especially in the United Kingdom, to show that blacks are converging toward white norms of behavior, including academic performance. There is indeed some convergence, but almost all of it can be traced to the growing numbers of high-performing "Nigerians" (Igbos) and the growing numbers of biracial children (the census now has a mixed-race category, but most biracial people still self-identify as "black". In the UK, 55% of Black Caribbean men and 40% of Black Caribbean women have a partner from another ethnic background. It's very likely that half of all "black" children in the UK are at least half-white by ancestry (Platt, 2009, p. 7).

Nor is it likely that we'll hear more about the Igbo from Chanda. As he sees it, the debate should be over. The academic excellence of Igbo students proves that the black/white IQ gap in the U.S. cannot have a genetic basis:

[It is not] a function of global racial evolution (Sub-Saharan African genes versus European genes), as most hereditarians believe, especially those who identify with the Human Biodiversity or HBD intellectual movement (generally known as "scientific racism" in academic circles, but we are avoiding such unkind terms).

Thank you, Chanda, for avoiding unkind terms. Well, I know a bit about HBD. The term was coined by Steve Sailer in the late 1990s for an email discussion group that included myself and various academics who may or may not want their names disclosed. It's hard to generalize but we were all influenced by findings that genetic evolution didn’t slow down as cultural evolution speeded up in our species. In fact, the two seemed to feed into each other. This is why genetic evolution accelerated over 100-fold about 10,000 years ago when humans began to abandon hunting and gathering for farming, which in turn led to ever more diverse societies. Our ancestors thus adapted much more to their cultural environments than to their natural environments. These findings were already circulating within our discussion group before being written up in a paper by Hawks et al. (2007) and later in a book by Greg Cochran and Henry Harpending (2009).

Yes, previously it was thought that genetic evolution slowed to a crawl with the advent of culture. Therefore, groups like the Igbo couldn't possibly differ genetically from other sub-Saharan Africans, at least not for anything culture-related. But that kind of thinking wasn't HBD or even racialist. It was simply the old anthropological narrative, and it's still accepted by many anthropologists, most of whom aren't "scientific racists."

Oh sorry, I forgot we promised to avoid that term.


http://evoandproud..com.ng/2015/10/no-blacks-arent-all-alike-who-said-they.html

KidStranglehold:
Then post studies debunking the ones I posted. When many recent studies states Asians and Indians who come to the USA already come from well-off families.

We can ignore this all we want.

The truth about Asian Americans' success (it's not what you think)
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/opinions/lee-immigration-ethnic-capital/

Asian Americans and the 'model minority' myth
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0123-wu-chua-model-minority-chinese-20140123-story.html

The Growing Poverty Crisis That Everyone Is Ignoring
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/09/26/3705261/asian-american-poverty/

And like I said Mexicans are no better of than AAs. Do you even live in the states?

Miami11:
Poster the examples you gave seems to be all about bad marriages and not specific to tribal issues.

I can see where inter-tribal marriages could cause problems down the road. Too much drama and interference.

1. Both parties do not really have the commitment needed to over-come the huddles/challenges presented.

2. Both parties are easily influenced by their respective families and listen to irrelevant "opinions" as to how to manage the relationship with eachother.

3. Serious language barrier....when one does not understand or speak the language of the other and often feels like a fish out of water around extended family members.


Would I get into an inter-tribal marriage? No.

Reason.....I really like to stick to my own kind......just because, I love the comfort of the "familiar" and really do not care for all the drama around inter-tribal or inter-racial marriages. Just don't have the time for all that mess. I really don't do "tribalistic" set ups. Not that adventurous.

That would really wear me out and I would really lose interest fast enough for sure

Zombies are like

Nawa for APC kai Lai you can lie

You still have not answered the question you are negative minded...everything must not end in war...


What if there is no Nigeria by 2019 ...have you ever thought of that possibility

I n life you cant be 100% sure


why are you scared of standing alone?

blackpanda:
God forbid! You think u are facing hard times till u visit places like syria and sudan, then u know what hardship is. Nigeria is both resilient and blessed. Nothing can stop us moving forward!

blackpanda:
If obiano continues like this, an igbo man might finally stand chance of becoming president in 2019

What if there is nothing like Nigeria by 2019..have you ever thought of that possibility

Atigba:
Rubbish
Benin snd yoruba has nothing in common

Yoruba are slave to benin people

End of discussion

danot1030:
Those Benin indigenes that have been fed with fake history by their parents and those useless IPOB Biafra youth who always think the Yoruba nation is in rivalry of prominence with their tribe and would therefore support anything that is against Yoruba should come and learn from this historic picture and stop arguements.

Yoruba man has problem with hausa he calls igbo
Now to convince Benin man of his brotherhood he also blames igbo

Igbo are their nemesis

tunde1200:
Bro how are you please there are good ladies out there.

Have you really ask what make the father of those children not marrying her?. I'm sure you will not like it.

You are to young for that because when you start working the responsilities will be too much to carry unless if she continue her way on the children.

Also confirm if both of you genotype and blood group are compartible.

Lost of responsible yoruba ladies out there why that from east uppon all there hates on your tribe here alone, guy open your eyes and listen to your parent.
My parent also refuse my marriage with a lady 4years older than me. I also not listen but later its like blaming myself silently lots of things started going wrong due to she is getting old and I'm still young and active till date you know now.

I ended up having another woman and things changed for better till date as I am now i give thanks to almighty.

This Yoruba boy..learn to work hard and never live off a woman

The age difference isn't the problem cis you guys are still mates
.the problem are the additional burden of the kids and language

Does it mean that there is no Yoruba woman that catches your fancy

Chasing other tribes women isn't honorable to this extent


You have e to be wise
Obey your parents
Don't be infatuated
Your still a kid

IGBOPRINCE:
even the same thing with me. I served 2 to 3weeks ban just because I mention my new country.
That period I even had the time to concentrate on other things rather than commenting here.
I nearly forgot about nairaland during my ban period.

Some people like noblezone, pezienza,biafraking and lolzzz maybe serving their bans by now.

I hardly see their comments though. It s well

I would have created tons and tons of names but I think its usless and also I noticed to much kids and unintelligible peeps here ..so I am stuck with this name


Ban doesn't change it and I will always talk about Biafra ..who cares if they ban

I can't wish away millions of my people that died 67-70

We have technically defeated boko haram by the association of propaganda conmen


Boowoo

KidStranglehold:
I'm doing this because Nigerians on this site do it ALL THE TIME to boost about how much better they are doing in the states than AAs. Yes it is unfair which is why you should check some posters on here to stop doing it. Again this is the reason I made this thread to get rid of this shrewd thinking.



Yes I agree. That means stop comparing successful Nigerian immigrants who are small in population size to the AAs who are obviously in poverty while ignoring the AAs with a stable lifestyle like those in the south.



He was actually a doctor and I think from Lagos. I agree that no one should go by what one individual said. But I'm just saying that a lot of Nigerians I seen at my college seem to come from well off families. Again just my experience. Same with some Indians I know. Which is why I think some people over-exaggerate this rags to riches concept for immigrants. But I will be admit that I seen some working hard Nigerians outside of college that do not come from well of families.

Now you are specific ..you said college that I seems to agree but others are basically I economic migrants and they are there to better their lives

But African American ain't taking the American dream

TO BUTTRESS MY EARLIER POSTULATIONS....READ ON



The general stereotypes are that African-Americans are lazy and complacent. They have nobody but themselves to blame for massive educational and socio-economical gaps that have placed African-American children at a severe disadvantage.

African immigrants, on the other hand, are destined for success, so the stereotype goes. They appreciate hard work and family values all while their families are back home swinging through dense forests in nothing but loincloths and sleeping in small huts.

The tensions derive from years of misunderstandings, stereotypes perpetuated by mainstream media, and a lack of an open and honest discussion on the relationships between African-Americans and Africans.

Nigerian-born immigrant and blogger Luvvie Ajayi took to Twitter to discuss the tension between African-Americans and African immigrants back in January, when she tried to explain the word “akata.”



The word is used by many Nigerians to refer to Black Americans. However, the word actually translates to “wild animal.”
“The word epitomizes the terrible stereotypes that Africans have about African-Americans. But many young Africans don’t know what it MEANS,” Luvvie explained. “They use it because they’ve heard it being used so casually that many don’t know that it’s derogatory. Passed down prejudice.”
Luvvie explained that many Africans who come to the U.S. are not educated on the history of slavery and how in America there’s still “400 years of damage folks still gotta fix.”

“But I want Black folks in the U.S. not to hate us for the ignorance we carry,” Luvvie tweeted. “It’s from our lack of knowing. Teach us.”
Gerald A. Montgomery of AtlanticRock.com says there is ignorance on the other side as well.
According to Montgomery, some African-Americans view African immigrants as “pompous peacocks,” who are “enjoying the freedoms of earlier generations of so-called Negroes” who were “fire-hosed, jailed, even lynched” for the opportunities that Africans in America now benefit from. Those views are just as ignorant, he maintains.


http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/04/05/ivy-league-success-story-refueled-tensions-africans-african-americans/

KidStranglehold:
Then post studies debunking the ones I posted. When many recent studies states Asians and Indians who come to the USA already come from well-off families.

We can ignore this all we want.

The truth about Asian Americans' success (it's not what you think)
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/opinions/lee-immigration-ethnic-capital/

Asian Americans and the 'model minority' myth
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0123-wu-chua-model-minority-chinese-20140123-story.html

The Growing Poverty Crisis That Everyone Is Ignoring
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/09/26/3705261/asian-american-poverty/

And like I said Mexicans are no better of than AAs. Do you even live in the states?

One thing is posting studies and another thing is telling you what I'ls on ground ..I am an igbo man and I am African ..I am telling you what is applicable here not studies

IGBOPRINCE:
this mallam ,why re you spamming my mention

Get thee behind me..onye abbboki biko..

Cc tonychristopher ? Re you free from ban?

My dear I have been off and on ban sometime I even get tired of posting and whenever my ban commences or elapsed I don't even know

Money on my mind ...Bleep ban bro

musicwriter:
Honestly, it will be hard for him to fathom those Indians, Nigerians, Pakistanis, and Mexicans he sees as having rich background actually came to the US poor.

Exactly.. . he has refused to understand that if those are rich and he claimed ..why the hell are they in states..they should be balling in their respective countries

The immigrants came to USA for American dream and they are mostly poor

Fulaman198:
I agree with you mostly. I won't also ignore the racial barriers that are intact within the U.S. government because it does exist. There are a lot of hidden racial-based nonsense that occurs in the United States that can not be ignored, but African Americans do need to try to make that push towards Math/Science over Entertainment. African Americans need to realise that whites only see them as entertainment (music, sports, etc. etc.).They should steer themselves away from that and pursue something that will be far more beneficial to them in the long run.

I know many African Americans will hate me for saying that, but that's just the truth.

But you said a known fact and global truth

When they want to do anything scientific immigration in UN or USA they will pick an African American to sign and dance ..but how many African American are making scientific and research based presentation on their finding.. Very few

Check out ivy league and gifted children schools

The stats are there

KidStranglehold:
Good posts.

But the answers you presented were already answered in the OP. Especially one for Indians. I have not seen any poor Indians, Pakistanis or Nigerians come here. And I have many cool Indian friends who were quite well off back home. As for Mexicans most struggle just as much as African-Americans and too take part in "thug culture".

Put I will give you Nigerians a point in that you guys are literally around the world opening shop and starting business, which I believe AA's should start doing. And also you guys practice group economics.

You made a mention of group economics thats nice ..why don't African American copy it..even in ivy league schools African students with Asian counterparts top it all what you seen are more African American kids either dropping out of on scholarship based on theomur basket ball playing prowess not Intellectual

musicwriter:
What you provided are not concrete reasons why you African-Americans shouldn't be wealthy like every other American.

You made me really annoyed by saying "you never see poor Indians, Pakistanis or Nigerians come here". Well, for your information, I have a brother living in Maryland. He came to the US on his own funding (like 80% of Nigerians in US) came. Nobody gave him a dime!. He finished secondary school and came there in 1984. I don't know what else he did as a job, but I know at a point he was a security man (gate keeper) and from that to a cab driver. I don't want to bore you with his history, but today you know what he do?. He's into real estate. Lives in his own house there in Maryland, have house in Texas, and few other places as at the time we communicated. He have also acquired real estate over here. This's my own brother. If you want to ask here on Nairaland you'll hear similar "grass to grace" stories.

As a matter of fact, one of the richest man in Africa also worked as a cab driver in the US. His name Mike Adenuga, google it. He own a telecom company, something like AT & T, Verizon. He came to the US poor!. Again, 80% of the people you see came to the US without money. You can ask the whole of Nairaland to confirm this claim, because we should know that not you. Still, I think I'm being gracious with that 80% figure.

NB: Still I'm not disputing the US system is not rigged against African-Americans.

I'd think that the guy won't understand it .that an African comes to USA to hutsle and make money and better his life but the average American black is OK with been the next Micheal Jordan or lil Wayne or something

Fulaman198:
Poor people in India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Iran, Ghana, Senegal, etc. etc. don't believe in remaining poor. The average Nigerian if given the opportunity do whatever they can to get educated and rise above socio-economical barriers. I'll give an example. My grandfather was not rich, even by Fulani standards he didn't own much cattle, but when a parent can, they choose to give their children the best education they can get even if it will be tough on them financially.

In Nigerian culture(s), parents are measured by the success of their children. Thus, parents are willing to do anything they can even if they do not have the financial institution to do it, to send their children to the best educational facilities that their money can afford.

One thing about education is that if you excel in an Engineering field be it Computer Science, Engineering, Physics, etc. you will definitely not remain in the lower class. You will move up to solid middle class at the very least.

One thing I noticed about the African American Community in the United States (and you can correct me if I'm wrong) is that the parents do not encourage their children to partake in sciences, maths and engineering. Their parents push them more towards sports and athletics. Being someone with quite a background in computing and mathematics, I can tell you with the utmost certainty that less than .00000000001% ever become professional athletes.

This is what I have been trying to let them understand.. The African American are jolly good fellow with their ebonucs and rap music sagging their pants and speaking wanna gonna ..wearing big chains without any impact ....that's scientifically speaking always blaming slavery for their woes forgetting that they are in a better environment to excel ...just look at African ,Chinese and Mexican immigrants.. They are doing much better than the

The truth must be said

Fulaman198:
Sure I'm willing to be anyone's friend here on NL.

But hope that you are not like the average Muslim that can kill the infidel as was directed

If not


You are my friend.. I always have this aversion to been close to most Muslim because if that infidel killing and jyzra tax or something

Ikechu12781:
Honestly when will Igbo learn to STOP HELPING THAT ZOO. just when?

Their economy is falling, they run to ABA made, the ABA made they used to insult, to help them

The rest of the world refuse to help them in securing weapons to help them fight BH, they ran to innosun.

During their fuel scarcity, it was an Igbo man that came to save them


When the f2k will you people learn to stop helping a useless zoo that does not like you. Just when? It's always SE too that always willing to throw their necks out for that village. The rest of us are smart enough to ignore them. I'm still trying to figure out when SE will learn from their history. when will you learn? JUST WHEN?

Nwanne m na anioma ..udi ndi dika gi na ugomba bu madu

Eziokwu ka ikwuru.. Mana ka anyi zi fa nkali

johnmartus:
fake company fake innoson everything about them is fake Aba made come to my mind i dont know what they celebrating?

Pls sir. Keep your high bp kits handy

You might need them considering the way you are going

Know2020:
Your gift of ingenuity is the major reason they don't want you to go home. Imagine a black country manufacturing aircraft parts for all African countries at half the price of western countries. Those against your emergence are bigger than we think, and are afraid of another Japan in Africa.

That's why the aborted the 1967 fiasco.. They said they can't afford another Japan in Africa

zikIPE:
Hello people,
As I was enjoying my facebook today, I got a notification asking me to help translate the English language to Igbo. now, that brings about a whole new set of problems which include the absence of an Igbo equivalent for like. The Igbo people 'LOVE', we do not 'LIKE'. another problem being the absence of a single word representing 'comment'. sure, there's an Igbo phrase for comment, but to the best of my knowledge, there's no single word for it.
so, basically, the Igbo Language on my facebook is written in English....at least, for now. if you're Igbo and have any suggestions on Igbo words to use as replacement for English words on facebook, feel free to contribute
cc: bigfrancis21 odumchi

Like can be translated to oma
Comment should be okwu
Post should be tinye or dewe
Share should be kesaa

Know2020:
Oh lord...I just love Igbo people. Always coming to the resue of Nigeria. We must appreciate this people!

Thank lord you have noticed our impact ..but we still wanna go home ...maybe there will be bilateral trade relations later ....then diplomatic and military relations after

Fulaman198:
I am sorry but that's untrue. Why? The population of Nigerians in the United States is unknown...Why again? It's because of the way your stupid census in the United States works. If you are Nigerian you can't mark that you are Nigerian, you can only mark that you are Black/African-American which pisses me off.

That's a fact

Fulaman198:
I see just as many insults if not more directed at Northerners (this includes both Hausa and Fulani) than Igbos.

I'll give you an example. Ab0ki (can't type the o because the word is filtered) means friend in the Hausa language, yet because of how many ethnic bigots have overused and over-abused the word in a profane manner towards people of the Northern region of Nigeria, the word has been deemed as a bad word even though it's not.

Every ethnic group takes insults, it's just up to you not to visit the forums that insult these ethnic groups. In the past, I used to see a lot of negative and disgusting posts about Fulani people, I stopped going to them because the end result was just me getting angry at the insults and almost losing my temper.

No one likes to see their respective ethnic group being insulted, but in the every day life of Nigeria, what we see online is not often what we experience in the real world. Believe me! You just have to develop a strong stomach for the immature and unwelcoming behaviour of some people on NL. If you also see a post that you do not like, kindly report it as it violates these rules:

2. Don't abuse, bully, deliberately insult/provoke, fight, or wish harm to Nairaland members OR THEIR TRIBES.
3. Don't threaten, support or DEFEND violent acts against any person, tribe, race, animals, or group (e.g. rape).

I have a feeling that your a nice dude ..your the second Fulani friend I know the first one is very matured. .nice Muslim ..drinks vodka, have a modern view to Islam and he is dedicated Muslim and a Fulani man ..he calls a spade a spade


You seems to be like him..maybe we can be friends