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If you can’t cook, am sorry you are not a woman

The word “woman” goes with some responsibilities and cooking is part of it.

yeswecant:
If you can’t cook you don’t deserve a husband

wonderful.

[quote author=na2day? link=topic=240469.msg3881220#msg3881220 date=1242596944]such massive ignorance is a good way to get me started [/quote]well, your soulmate obviously lives abroad and isnt black.

0thello:
Please don't join nene1's team of retards. I suggest you read the topic thoroughly before striking again. You completely missed na2days point. I'll summarize it for you because I promote literacy so please also go do so for yourself (thoroughly) before you retort again.

The irony is that nene1 has set up several STRAWMEN arguments,

1) Nobody has insulted Nigerian women. The topic was about one Nigerian professing his like for white women, come on, who cares right?

2) Then nene1 comes in here and accuses those that do not share her sense of paranoia and stupidity as being sell outs when in fact she's just making very fallacious, pathetic arguments.

3) She starts to make it seem like we're some kind of "whitey" lovers because we don't want to curse at white people like she does. Well I'm sorry nene1 but I'm a little too mature to be slinging insults at a group of people I don't really know.

4) She's accusing the mixed race people of not being Nigerian enough and yet she's only half NIGERIAN herself and completely Americanized unlike SOME of the mixed race people she's insulting.

5) Some other idiots are acting like being with a white person is selling out, when in fact there are more factors that come into it than that.

6) She makes the fallacious assumption that mixed-race people have "less" intelligence and "pride" in their people than she does, when in fact all she's managed to do is drag every Nigerian woman down to a level (via association). I suggest the smart women distance themselves from her. She really is an idiot.

am just seeing this one.

Well, no need to get insultive.

I was one of the first people to respond to the OP, and I wondered what the big deal was if he likes white women. _{Moreso, there's a thread in the celebrities section for handsome white men.} The OP then said his friends were telling him not to date whites.

Myself and several others asked him why his friends decide who he's allowed to date, as a grown man.

We are all Nigerian women and last time I checked, people are allowed to have differences of opinion. So generalizing that all Nigerian women share nene1's views is completely off point.

none.

[quote author=na2day? link=topic=240469.msg3881167#msg3881167 date=1242596048]where should i start, just read her post and some others here[/quote]well, I've never seen you get angry on NL, so it was surprising to discover what riles you.

ocean73:
you ppl are not answering my qtion, if you care for something or somebody you have take good care of it,i am not saying saying she turn in to an ant, but being more careful, or i dont care atitude may be the cos of finding an ant in a cup of early morning tea,or what do you think?

here's a bad idea:

make your own tea, so you can be sure you wont find an ant in it.

cabali:
So u guys still dont know the banom personality is a SCAM

he has still not given us a link to where the Pastor alegedly said he drove 300miles without fuel. He is obviously not christian.


@banom let he without sin cast the first stone. I hope u make a good fortune out of this insanity cos I dont see how someone would make a hustle out of something like this.

Otherwise, GET A LIFE!

@ bolded

PLEASE dont make us go through all that torture again! The thread was a warzone!!!!!

no need for a link abeg!

you do the same.

Othello:

she's also a Nigerian woman.

You cant single her out of all the women in Nigeria, since there are plenty who have a non-Nigerian parent.




[quote author=na2day? link=topic=240469.msg3881060#msg3881060 date=1242593759]i am only pointing to how stupid her arguments are, so i made that attack. read her previous post and mine, u will understand where i am coming from.[/quote]true.

I just didnt understand the hairsplitting about who is and isnt Nigerian, thats all.

I'm guessing your user id stands for Thomas Paine who wrote The Age of Reason? A freethinker's handbook.

you're not a freethinker though.

please keep your shoes on while driving though its up to you.

as far as I'm concerned, anyone with a Nigerian parent or grandparent is Nigerian.

I dont understand all this hair splitting.

[quote author=na2day? link=topic=240469.msg3881017#msg3881017 date=1242592659]u are gambian, quit claiming to be nigerian and yes i will defend white folks if needs be, especially against ur likes[/quote]you're contradicting yourself.

How is she less Nigerian than your relatives who you say are half-Nigerian?

So tribal bashing doesnt make you hot under the collar but bashing white folks does?

anyway, no be today.

na naija.

biina:
You did not answer the questions that could help clarify your views, and then found me guilty of misunderstanding you - ironic in the least.

I do not blame Lagos for the lack of development of other cities, but its choice as a federal capital didn't help the others either. Again, all I said was that moving the capital away from Lagos was beneficial to the development of others, that does not equate to saying that it was entirely responsible for their lack of development.

The two most developed cities in Nigeria are Lagos and Abuja; a coincidence that both were/are seats of the federal government? I think not. In the highly centralized military governments we have had in Nigeria, the bulk of public expenditure is done at the federal government level and minimal funds and discretion are available at the state and local government level. The level of development of Abuja defeats your argument that "If Lagos happened to be more cosmopolitan in your opinion, than everywhere else, then look at the geography of the region in order to draw an informed conclusion". Abuja was less developed than all the other major cities before it became the capital and the geography of the region has been unchanged. After becoming the FCT, it is now second to only Lagos in development. Should we look at the geography of Abuja to draw 'informed' conclusions? 

Abuja and Lagos are littered with federal government projects that have been highly beneficial to their developments: the international airports, the national theater and the festac accommodation; low cost government housing, etc. A prime example of the influx of funds the capital city receives is the current $1.7B proposed project to convert an 8-lane road to 10 lanes, when there are other cities in Nigeria that need good highways for effective interconnections.

I don't see the relevance of the civil war to the discussion. Lagos was the capital before the civil war. The growth of every other city in the different regions of Nigeria (Ibadan, Enugu, Port Harcourt, Kaduna, etc) has paled in comparison to Lagos, or is the civil war responsible for the slow growth of Ibadan. I am not saying Lagos wouldn't have developed if it wasn't the capital city. On the contrary, Lagos would have likely developed well on its own given its position as a terminus city (as this more relevant than the geography).

Moving the federal capital to Abuja help spread the development. If you disagree with the last statement, you can give your reasons, otherwise I don't see the point in continuing this discourse.

I'm not interested in playing word games with you- I'm only showing you the flaws in your logic.

Your questions are very rhetorical, and highly mischievous as well. I dont believe in crying over spilt milk, which is what you're trying to do here with all this "soul searching" and head banging over why Lagos was made the capital. I pointed out before- the capital could have also been Kaduna but it was changed to Lagos for whatever reason which I could care less about.  You're also bent on ignoring most of what I wrote, simply in order to prolong the argument.

No place in civilization without a capital- every LGA or group of five villages anywhere in Nigeria has a capital. Anyone can start accusing others of not making their own village the seat of admininstration.


The civil war is relevant because it made people more tribalistic than before.

The capital wasnt moved to Abuja in order to spread development there- it was moved for security reasons, unless you heard otherwise. Development will follow anywhere a capital is. So if they decide to move the capital to a tiny village in Togo tomorrow, rest assured the place will also develop.

Calabar isnt the federal capital, yet the place has developed and is still developing. Lagos is no longer the capital, yet development is still going on there. Likewise Kano, and other places.

People can halt development through politically motivated violence and rioting, but they rarely stop it completely.

If you had a choice between developing various places, wouldnt you perform a risk assessment and put your money where you're more likely to get secured returns.

I'm not saying you're not right about capitals being developed- however, blaming lagos for the underdevelopment in Nigeria as a whole, is rather extreme. Especially given the fact that Lagos itself was struggling with a huge burden of poverty, and overwhelmed by beggars, trash heaps and destitute people living under bridges. Its only recently that the govt has been trying to find a solution to these social problems, and under a heavy barrage of curses and criticism as well.

biina:
and now you have lost me completely, as I simply don't see the point you are making.

A few questions that might help me clarify your position

1. Do you feel Lagos is more suited to being the capital vs Abuja (or any other city)?
2. Do you feel Lagos wouldn't have developed if it wasn't the federal capital?
3. Do you feel there is another city more (or equally) developed than Lagos?
4. Do you prefer we concentrate development in a few already developed cities or spread it around?

as usual, you missed my point entirely.

I see no reason why Lagos should take the blame for what you're calling the underdevelopment of the rest of the country. You're also ignoring the fact that there was a civil war which is still being fought today.

People should hold their state govts accountable for any development or lack of it thereof.




You may also want to check this thread where someone is complaining about the flyovers being planned for his state

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-273315.0.html




Check wirinet's post here and note the bolded. Lagos didnt prevent anybody from developing their area. If Lagos happened to be more cosmopolitan in your opinion, than everywhere else, then look at the geography of the region in order to draw an informed conclusion.

wirinet:
Every body here is missing the point. The reason why people are comparing and contrasting development of lagos and other urban areas is the skewed nature of our federalism which we inherited from the British. you can not compare the way American cities developed to the way our cities developed. Most American cities developed along with their capacity to generate wealth, and the common wealth (taxes)is used to develop the capital, but here the wealth generated from the states and local Govt are seized by the federal govt. and used to develop the capital to the detriment of areas generating the wealth.

For example it is criminal for the federal Government to generate revenue from Taxes on cigarette and alcohol and use the revenue to develop Abuja while leaving the state govt to grapple with the problems caused by cigarette and alcohol.

Because of the sharing of cheap revenue from oil, most of the states are not ready to work to generate revenue and are therefore unviable states. Also every local govt. wants to be a state not because of the revenue they can add to the national purse but because they want a larger share of oil money.

ikeyman00:
tipia

contributin in this thread!!

I really dont know what you're even doing on Nairaland, a site with so many Yorubas who you say you hate because they arent from your "Ibo" tribe.

Do you know of Biafraworld where only Igbos are allowed? That should be your internet paradise nah!

Any reason why you refuse to park your sorry xenophobic raggedy behind there?

See this fool who goes around insulting Yorubas as a whole, trying to call other people tribalist. Seriously, them no born some people well for here. You always know who was raised in the gutter under a bridge- their posts are a dead giveaway.

Bloody nazi!!!!!

Amazing that in the 21st century, some  illiterate area boys who worship crack are still this many in Nigeria! More astounding is the fact that they claim to live overseas yet they sound so bush! With the mentality of gorillas!

because he wants to?

as the nazis proved, sometimes its impossible to sit on the fence.

If you say you're not tribalist, Nigerians will tell you you're a closet tribalist hiding your tribalism, and act accordingly ie attack you and worship the outright xenophobe.

Just my observation! Its a free world- anyone who wants to be tribalist has the right to make their choices. However, dont whine when you find out others can be more tribalist than you.

Sometimes it takes an all out battle to maintain law and order!

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=273238.msg3878489#msg3878489 date=1242509329]That bread go choke you one day o. tpiah will spit into the mixture if she's supplying to igbo customers. Be warned b/c am not responsible if you get runny belle. [/quote]this your Igbo mania is getting lame

Can you shut up and find some other thing to talk about besides the fact that your wicked soul will always run even when no one is pursuing you.

Stop calling my name everywhere abi dem swear for you?

Are you the creator of the Igbo tribe or what kind of madness do you have exactly? Maybe your mama spits into the food she serves Yoruba people?

Krayola:
haha. Unless he put a gun to their heads before they slept with him.

I just think it's their personal business. Not everyone has the same standards and in a free country it isn't up to anybody to decide how anyone else lives his/her life.

when all the babies start queueing up for visas at the embassy, they'll block the chances of other, poorer Nigerians who also need visa. Some countries have visa quotas, you know.

same goes for the rest of the resources.

maybe your wife turned into an ant and flew into your cup of tea.

Why else would she raise her voice over a simple innocent question like that?

biina:
Your response is headed off in the wrong direction. I have no interest in stoking tribal sentiments in whatever form. I did not comment on the reason for moving the capital away from Lagos, and was only commenting on the effect. All would agree that if Lagos was still the capital, Abuja would be far from the level of development it is presently. The primary source of the development of Abuja is because it is the seat of power.

As much as I love Lagos, the truth is that its choice as capital was poor. The British probably chose it for their own political and military needs (it gave them an exit via the sea, as opposed to inland where they could easily be surrounded by opposing forces). Lagos being a terminus city would have developed significantly on its own, but its location as the federal capital city (because of the centralized style of government) aided it with influx of funds and projects, at the expense of other cities. For your information, I have visited all ( and lived in most) major cities in Nigeria. Lagos is not the only city with a substantial level of development in Nigeria, but is definitely the most developed, grasping the lion share in most areas of interest.  The result: the smallest state has the largest population, and hence an exceedingly high population density when compared to other cities. The consequent strain on amenities as resulted in several social vices.

What you missed entirely was the point of my initial post, which was the benefit of spreading development around. The more evenly spread the development is, the lesser the population migration to urban centers and the higher the standard of living of the common man. Nigerians are always too quick to try to add to what is already full. People feel the most developed city should always be the state capital, whereas it is often more beneficial otherwise. Lagos should have been like California, who for all its economic prowess, was never the seat of government.

The dredging of the Niger, if done following due process, will be beneficial to all beyond the people of Ontisha, if only simply for the fact that it spreads the development.

and once again, YOU are missing the entire point of what a capital ought to be.

This isnt about your alleged love for Lagos- its all this unecessary love for sentiment that blinds Africans to reality.

[b]Every capital in the world is the subject to development.[/b]Since a capital is likely to draw people from different areas and walks of life.

When the British came, some areas were already highly urbanized- Benin city is one example. The Yorubas in particular have always had a high percentage of town dwellers, as various records and oral accounts show. The topography of the west is one reason for that. In the east there were Onitsha, PH, Calabar

Kano and Kaduna were already urban centers before the British came. Lokoja, where Lugard was headquarted, isnt on the coast. Neither is Jos, which many whites like for the climate.

Washington DC is also located on the extreme eastern edge of the US - what's your explanation for that ?

Lagos is a Portuguese word meaning lagoon. There's a town in Portugal called lagos which used to be a slave port. Dont know if you see any connection there.

The British may have told you they chose Lagos as the capital because they wanted an easy escape route from the peaceful lagos natives, but I 'm sure other factors like shipping, the nature of the coast, and trade routes also came into play.

California was never the seat of government- Lagos and some other places were. So I dont get your comparison here. Neither do I understand your weeping over Lagos being made the capital. During the Gold Rush, people from all over the US and abroad, rushed to California to make their fortunes.  The place later developed. So either way, you're still off base with your analogy. Not to mention the US is way bigger than Nigeria and most of the states developed at their own pace. There are still places in the US where the state capital is the most urbanized- with most other places relatively rural.

As I pointed out, other parts of Nigeria besides Lagos are also urban. They may not have as many skyscrapers as lagos but that doesnt mean they're all hamlets containing only goats and chickens.

biina:
I think moving the capital away from Lagos is one of the best geopolitical moves of recent times (irrespective of any ulterior motives behind it).

The development of Lagos came at a huge cost to other parts of the countries. Successive government perpetuated the avalanche effect (like the rich getting richer) so much that Lagos has outpaced the entire nation in all departments: the good the bad and the ugly.

Pre-independence, the margin between the major cities was not so much, but presently, Lagos is head above everyone else. The earlier we start developing other cities, the easier it would be for us to become a true federation.

Your argument is too simplistic and more likely to stoke tribal sentiment, because you're trying to confirm the allegations of intentional neglect without considering other factors.

Being a seaport had nothing to do with Lagos' development, I suppose? That's like saying moving the US capital from Philadelphia and New York to Washington DC was because other parts of the country werent being developed.

One of the greatest problems Nigeria has is the tribal close minded mentality of being out to "get" other tribes and at the same time being convinced other tribes are out to "get" you. A relic of the old headhunting days no doubt.

This leads to communities struggling to put "their" people in crucial political positions in so "their" candidate has a portfolio to develop ONLY his tribal area and nowhere else. Thus for most of them, their hands are tied even before they get there. If such an individual doesnt promote only his own area, he/s seen as a traitor by most of his tribesmen.

Like i said, look at the topography. The capital was moved to Abuja for reasons of security, from what I heard. Lugard had wanted to place it in Kaduna but decided on lagos instead.

Lagos isnt the only city in Nigeria that has some level of development- if you think otherwise then you dont know much about the country. Lagos may have the most skyscrapers (maybe), but there are other places with high population and which have a fair standard of living.

The type of delta we have in Nigeria is either a wave or river dominated type. The coastline changes as you move west- these are all natural factors and not man made. Same way the topography changes as you move north.

Wall E's a very good movie though it got a bit predictable towards the middle. But the special effects are great. And that female robot was awesome.

Some of my Nigerian friends/family consider animation a "kiddie" thing? I wonder why.

A lot of animation is far from childish. Most of them are actually quite deep. Egyptian hieroglyophics look like cartoons too.

naijacutee:
Thank you, tpiah. I'll like to know what this reference in Revelations is.

I'm not quite sure of the exact verse/s, but its somewhere that talks about believers wearing white, I think. Symbolizing purity.


They take the bible interpretations very literally.

Krayola:
5 kids by 5 women is a lil too much in my opinion, but everyone has a right to happiness and he seems to be just fine with his situation. I'm worried about him getting HIV though.

Not everyone was raised the same and people live their lives differently. You don't have to endorse his behaviour, but at the same time crucifying someone that has done you no harm just because you don't agree with his PERSONAL choices is petty in my humble opinion.

Jesus said, "You see the sliver in your friend's eye, but you don't see the timber in your own eye. When you take the timber out of your own eye, then you will see well enough to remove the sliver from your friend's eye."

I'm no saint but I think there is a lot of wisdom in that quote.

do the baby mamas also have a right to happiness, or its only Tuface who does?