There are! The Cadillacs and the Impalas. I'm sure there might be more.

yungboss:
though you stated source, which most people didn't see (or remember)...but source could be a bit complicated to state, as most people work and save money, and also from independent Business etc...

YungBoss,


I sent a mail to the inbox you addressed to me earlier this year. It might be in your bulk folder.


Cheers!

kuntash:

yea bro! been kool, she drives it , my bit is just to make sure its in top shape...

It's all good. A few preventive maintenance to prepare for in the coming future:

* Gear lever bushing (a few minutes with the appropriate tool)
* Neutral switch (30 minutes)
* Fuel pressure sender (30 minutes)
* Oil pressure sender (30 minutes)

The above are minor repairs. The gear lever bushing is responsible for the resistance as you scroll through the gates; that is from P to 2. The bushing cost almost nothing and the labour is mostly done as a courtesy. Without the appropriate tool, it's not a pleasant experience and the service technician will charge a service fee. If your vehicle is not automatic, don't worry about this. Scrolling through the gates should not be silky but tactile. As the bushing gets to ultimate failure, the lever will have unintended composure (play at gates). I can't tell you what happens when the bushing completely fails. What I've mentioned is bad enough and every scroll will only be getting worse. The neutral switch should be replaced with or without failure at this point. You will hate it because the problem is very clever. The fuel pressure sender is responsible for the fuel reading at the cluster and the oil pressure sender for the oil reading.

If you plan to still keep the car many years from today:

* Fuel pump replacement
* Water pump (no less than 5 hours with professional tools: Genuine MB strongly recm'd or Bosch)

Both fuel pumps should be replaced. Use Bosch. One of the signs to this is when you attain a large centripetal force (turning). Vehicle will stall in the middle of the turn. This is one of the two warnings. The other will leave you stranded till the offending pump gets cool.

Water pump: This is a major repair and one extremely critical during service. The tensioner will need to be replaced at this age. The caution at this repair: the thermostat will have to be replaced because the pressure off the new pump may prematurely cause the thermostat to fail. The bolts cannot be reused. They are aerospace-grade bolts. New bolts will have to be purchased for the pump replacement. The serpentine belts cannot be re-used (even if they look good) partly due to a phenomenon called "relaxation." New fluid should be reinstalled. I'm not sure how long the service will be on your model but it's almost a full day's work on 6 cylinders and up.


These are the few preventive maintenance for your Merc's age and milestone. None are to be done now. You have a four-to-six year window for these preventive maintenance. Certain "rubbers" (bushings, etc) may look good (even fresh) but they may be worn. Remember, German rubber standards are somewhat rather peculiar. You can add the overlay voltage protector and the voltage regulator to the list. They defy standard diagnosis by giving smokescreens; especially the suppressed ones.

yungboss: Good comment Trac,
it is good the way you have presented comment. I personally do not like conflicts.
I am into physics, atomic and newtonian physics especially as it applies to Engineering. Please keep making your insightful comments, the Mercedes Benz Thread really tells/told alot about you...i do not need to know much more than what i have consumed there, before purchasing a Merc.

YoungBoss: Truthfully, I appreciate your comment. It was soothing (along with Samir and Spiggy). It is satisfying to know my contents are of value and it is appreciated by a few. I detest conflicts as well.

The Benz-thread was the reason I remained in NL. It's also the reason why I stop by every few months. I stumbled upon it and (at the moment) couldn't overlook an issue that would create fundamental problems that might turn complex; eventually leading to engine replacement. My original intent (though unanswered) was for an Audi.

I will honour your interest and continue (via 'pm') from where I stopped on that (Merc) thread.

spiggy: I hardly post on this forum but my observation over time has been that a lot of 'people' run around with half-baked ideas but when an individual takes the pain to explain the underlying technology and engineering principles, then the individual is labelled as cryptic and abstract.

It should be clear.....or may be I should state it again that there are a lot of people like me who thoroughly enjoy Trac's engineering bias.

@Trac
Please don't relent in your effort...it is acknowledged and very much appreciated

Frankly, till I read this post, I had given up. It is true as you have stated as observation; it is so true. What I detest is information that is not useful. Thanks!

I will honour the thread for what it is. Another opportunity will surface.

smartchoice: I REALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THIS....FORUMS LIKE THIS ABOUND WORLD OVER, WHILE DIAGNOSIS CANT BE DONE ONLINE VALUABLE INFO CAN BE ACQUIRED AND NECESSARY CONTACTS ALSO.

You are sort of being twisty. Your definition of "valuable information" will have to be disclosed. How can something be resolved without diagnosis?

I believe it is unfair to term all Nigerian mechanics as bad and incompetent; inept to work on a Mercedes. You have to depend on the internet for your vehicle's upkeep. The formula should be clear now [that] if the internet gets suspended, you really can't help yourself. Having a vehicular-relationship with a mechanic is still an essential in today's civilisation. This cannot be usurped. There are dodgy mechanics; disturbingly true! It does not account for the great majority as Nairaland falsely claims.

There is only so far you can work on your vehicle. The internet can only give you (and that's at a limited degree) the basics. It cannot eliminate the need for a qualified mechanic. Diagnosing a vehicle cannot be imitated. Haven't you questioned why there are so many issues per unit volume online? It is always the same set of people "exaggeratingly-speaking." They must be doing something right the mechanics are yet to figure.

It is the same internet a patient used as a source to refuse his/her doctor's prescription after the diagnoses was discuss. The patient had a print-out of a solution obtained from the internet.

Gee2728: that's y u are smartchoice,u are right on point. We put our issue here so as to find pple with similar experience so as to know what our mechanics will work on. Don't want any1 experimenting on my car I need 2 know a starting point so I agree with u all the way. Most of the info I find online are confirmed by mechanic I rly hate 2 take my car 2 the workshop blindfolded I like 2 have an idea on wat am dealing with.

How would you know if your car is experimented upon or not? The underlining fact is that a qualified professional should be sought. Once he is proven as reputable, you'll be wasting your time worrying if you are being experimented upon or not.

No good mechanic worth his ingenuity would listen to a customer's advice on how the service-to-be vehicle should be solved. An exception is if you've been previously evaluated and expectations were met/exceeded. The symptom(s) is/are all needed for the mechanic to begin. It will be a waste telling what the problem is and how they should go about resolving it.

You also have to be practical. There are times "they" will get it wrong. You will have to endure till it's done right. This sounds illogical but it's the right thing. I'm not talking about pumping money into random hypothesis-to-be-carried-out but the support. You should be willing to pay in tips for their time performing the remedials. This is what I do - including my support.

Cars are isolated constructions. They are driven by different people. The different people drive them differently for different purposes at different limits. You cannot have a one-size-fits-all hypothesis/solution for most of the problems people resort to online. That's not practical. Moreover, it is abnormal on these cars (and most cars) to constantly be working on them (repairs).


Anyone offering any kind of solution on the internet must follow-up thoroughly. Though there is satisfaction doing so, the time constraint and feedback limitations makes it non-worthwhile.

kuntash:

Good point... thanks as always!

-- long time! How is the overall performance of your C Class?

@ Ikenna,

Don't respond to my reprove. I am no longer in anticipation for a reply. It is all "past-tense" at this point and will like to leave it like that.

Let time erode what it has to erode. At this point, nothing will do (I'm human). Perhaps when the "drama" season is past. Please, understand my perspective. I'm not the jovial type. If any of my reprove insulted you, my sincere apology/(ies) on that. It was written as though an informal verbal communication was made. Nevertheless, I'm still indiscriminately accommodating to be approached. I will respond in honour as you expect.

/* I deleted almost a block. This explains if it sounds sketchy.*/

yosmen: A bottle of cold refreshing drink for everyone who cares.
This thread has rilly been eductative touching all aspect of science,physics,biology and everyday experiences.
We disagree to agree....ONE LOVE BROTHERS.

pls Lets give our everyday road experiences especially driving on rough terrain.

thanks
A bottle of cold refreshing drink for everyone who cares.
This thread has rilly been eductative touching all aspect of science,physics,biology and everyday experiences.
We disagree to agree....ONE LOVE BROTHERS.

pls Lets give our everyday road experiences especially driving on rough terrain.

thanks

I must apologise for the areas to which your thread was "soiled." It was never my intent. This, I deliberately avoid. I hate misunderstandings and [I] avoid those that delight in such as a means of advantage.

samir101ng: @Trac,

Honestly, i am still surprised you even bothered to respond here. Sometimes people just take a stand on a tiny issue and make a mountain out of a mole hill with it. I want to believe we are all mature people here but the issue of melting tires in water was the main issue that sidetracked this thread. I can confidently say that Trac has been more convincing in his arguments and points. Somorin it seems is just hell-bent on taking a divergent view without proferring detailed arguments to counter such. That's his prerogative. This is not a pissing contest to humiliate or find fault with each others arguments. Let's be gentlemen and move on please. Thank you.

The issue was "'disintegration' in water." It ought never to be a discussion in the first place. Samir, it's my first time confronting such and I had to seek elderly advice. The "game" is fully understood: it is a tactic. What troubled me is the time wasted over something that is commonly understood and the fictitious experience as arguement. Convincingly, I envy the ghost-subscribers. I won't respond to further comments (especially the irresponsible and cognitively-deprived).

Ikenna351: @ Trac,

The story i narrated above is likened to what happened in this thread. The topic was a good one. The first few posts were so on point. But you (probably unintentionaly) led to what the thread has become. Active members of Car Talk are not here to be lectured Physics and Chemistry, because its not a Physics and Chemistry section of the forum, even though car is science. This thread was not created (from the topic title and the op original post) for us to be lectured what concussion of chemicals that takes place in a lab before a tyre is produced. Simply, the topic was created for us to discuss the merits and demerits of fat and skinny tyres,depending on the condition of the roads and situation you find yourself on the road. The thread became boring to me as soon as your law this, chemical this, started flying everywhere. I un-followed this thread long time ago since i couldnt cope anymore. I pepped in today, this morning, and saw more grammer still flying everwhere.

Am not here to debate whether Somorin#1 contributed in what this thread has become, but no one seems to understand where Somorin#1 is coming, whether he is right or wrong on how he has been calling on Trac to prove a position he took in his first post here. But Trac, reduce your slight when replying a post or giving an opinion, because you do make some posters look foolish or silly sometimes because of their personal opinions you do not agree with. Stop giving the impression that only a well known "engineer" has authority to say what is correct, knows all or knows better than the others. I used to make similar mistake, but have stopped it, when i realised how wrong it was. You do that a lot, to be very honest. The result of that is what we have here in this thread. Go back and read your first 3 posts here and see what am saying.

Please, i have a story, a personal experience about skinny tyres i want to tell. Will do that later.

But please, Trac & Somorin#1, let it go.

Ikenna.

Pot calling kettle black.

I make people look stupid; how? Did I:
* open up threads belittling how 4-cylinders poorly perform?
* How bad Japanese cars are built?
* -- the best among Audi, BMW and Mercedes?
* How far you push your car and gas conserved because it's a V6?
* How much of a realist you are?
* Durability and Reliability?
* FWD and RWD?
------ the list goes on. Truthfully, all these threads irritate me and snobbish in its inherent nature. So much so I made a comment appealing to caution. I may not be as jovial but I have feelings in consideration for people.

Am I the person that backs away instead of confronting the critique to his own post? -- because he is too proud to admit how wrong he is.

Didn't you try to make me "look stupid" by "tyre" and "tire"? Telling me about American and British variation in spellings. After the fact disc-rotors were used as an example to relay a point. Or the one that refused to disclose to avoid further complicated misunderstandings that will get no one anywhere.

Hm: The Stupid things non-car enthusiast say! -- Lots of people were insulted and you covered up by suppressing more than 55 posts. You [sure] did have a field-day. I guess that was the measure that put you in your place and the inspiration to your post. No formal apology was done; yet "I'm making people feel stupid."

Am I the one any subscriber responded to in attempt to be considerate and respond with an insult?

Or

Post #6 of this thread with "I disagree with you" (as a finite conclusion to render wrong a post)

How didn't that make the NL'er "seem stupid"? Who's personality did I diminish? Between us, who has suppressed anyone?

Twice have you insulted me. From me, you never got an insult in exchange.

I am surprised that you had the "nerve" to script in detail what your self-centered expression is. As far as I am concerned, Seun never stated this zone at "Car-Talk: Unserious Topics and Discussions Only."

With respect to the original post that I scripted: it is self-explanatory. A critique deviated the thread till it became annoying.

Give me a thread that I posted contemptuously. So far, what you are expressing to me is for an environment suitable for exhibitionisms. How fast you can go with a Japanese car without falling apart or how dull they are built to perform. -- how fast your Peugeot careens though the freeway.

I find it amazing how you tell me I make people [look] stupid. I've been insulted on NL but one thing you will never ascribe to me is that I ever insulted a Nairalander. Never! I never based anyone either. On the contrary, you can't boast of that. As a matter of fact, you make a declaration with consequences of a ban if your stance isn't respected. How many have you banned? How many have you hidden. If my posts make you look stupid (because you can't pull your nonsense with me), overlook it. With regards to Somorin, I endured with him. Do you think I couldn't present straight information to back it up? To avoid making him look stupid (I don't mean that insultingly), I softened it; slander integrates to the thread and I quietly left. Not once did I insult this fellow. That included his homosexual insult (nancy) that I deliberately overlooked; for I knew his day was coming. To date, you still failed to suppress that post. Meanwhile, valuable posts are still being "hidden." I don't insult people. It is never done in my personal and public life. I never insult anyone and [I] carry people along (no matter who). To tell me I am wrong on my outlook is ignorantly biased; for there are lots of unrelated postings to threads around (many of them from you) and you are yet to clean them up. On a personal note, I find most of your posts offensive, bashful and belittling. -- and that is coming with all sincerity; with your approach of moderation inconsiderate.

My posts are long because I take time processing to accommodate (on purpose) those that are not inclined without sacrificing the value thereof. In addition to that, it must be self-contained, so that I negate the need for a second post or third post when it ought to have been in the first. This way, I'm not seeking a trail. I use science as reference because I will be coherent and it's easy for anyone to spot when I am wrong.Sometimes, I'm away for months (because I'm not a "connected" person). The first two posts in this thread were the only posts never intended for everyone. That is why they are short but densed. You might find this unbelieveable: I don't like talking about cars: sometimes, I can't tell a car from another on the road. I recently picked up after four years of suppressing it. If I am what you tag me to be, I would have responded on every high-performance thread, stretch at great lengths AMG's and Porsche's but far be it is the case. You can't boast of that. Everyone is different and we all have different temperaments. I am not the kind that is easily impressed neither am I given to unseriousness. It's not a burden to anyone plus I keep to "mine." This forum has never been a jamboree. I am not a teen-ager: I have to act my age. The same is respected of everyone else.

A careful analysis:

What differentiates Car-Talk from Auto-Section currently? I had an important question to ask but no where to place it. The old fashioned way never failed anyone: talking to people.

What is the perception of Car-Talk?
The zone of:

* Self-Broadcasting
* Self Exhibition
* Romantics (not eros)
* Car Repairs

The car repairs are acceptable (to a degree). Beyond that, Auto-Section! I'm not swinging according to the observations stated, [but] "I make people look stupid."

A thread exists that states: "Car-Talk Loosing its Relevance." Was a poll taking? The google-generations are having the louder voices without much to say and it is unaccomodating to those that aren't within the "matrix."

In two years, I am marking the 468th post on NL without a single "mock-about." Every post was for the benefit of others (even if its just a subscriber) with intent of being as complete as possible to avoid any kind of dependency. Sometimes, I vocally read to verify its simplicity to make it comprehensive for people of diverse background. You are not obligated to read any post I make. Why does it bother you? This is an open post and it has always been. There are far-serious issues to discuss in this portal. Why foreign-purchased cars break down within two years on Nigerian soil or certain gremlins that were not on foreign soil. Not short-stick (or short-rev) manual transmission and how it leaves other cars trailing.

All these may seem bashful (to you) but this is the strictest I have ever communicated online and being blunt does not equate to being rude. You (including your fanbois) may not like it; I have no problem with that (because it is good). My problem is [that] you shouldn't be talking to me about this. I never forced myself upon a subscriber. If my post is over-burdening to you, then roll-on (move elsewhere). I am not a Nairaland superstar like you neither do I want to. If my posts are appropriate for the implied thread, so be it. It will be on for many years - beyond today - till the internet is shut-down or degenerates. The posts published today must be good today and years to come. If it's making you look or feel stupid, start suppressing them. You can be assured a full evaluation will be done as to what the standards of Car-Talk is all about.

Lastly, discussions that reflect upon a standard is of value than any without any reference to a standard. This is what I have always known of Nigerians. Sooner, I suppose discussions on how cars will be going to Mars and Pluto will surface.

Examine yourself: the forum will benefit more from you than me. If this post was written by another member, I wouldn't go more than two paragraphs; probably wouldn't exceed the first. You are the wrong person to detail thread-morals to me when you have unfinished business and a thread-apology to make. By the way - I'm not seeking any.


I've discussed as man to you Ikenna (as I would in the real world); the same is highly expected of you. There are no emotions in this post, so no ill-feelings should be presumed (that's with all sincerity). I am not the emotional kind, for I don't believe in that. You should have no problem with this manner of talking for you've been addressed with all due respect. I don't expect juvenile comments. I barely tolerate them. You don't find that in any post of mine. You probably have an idea to whom you are "talking" to. I am talking to you because it is worth-while doing so. I won't bother with some NL'ders because common sense is foreign to them. Respond with substance, be on point and omit the insults.

Gee2728: why we put our issue here is to find ppl with similar experience and how they go abt solving it not because the internet is going to solve our car problem. Have been 2 digitzed top notch work shop and paid 20k for diagnostic only 2 be told it needed further diagonostic and with my experience searching on line some of this things one can actually do urself. The BAS lights for instance 99 perct of the time is caused by bad brake switch but the idiot changed almost 3 sets of brake pads b4 I got the solution on line.

It may right but that only works in limited conditions. What is disturbing is that the root problems aren't addressed. Frankly, there is very little you can do by yourself without the proper tools. Buying a car that can be readily maintained is the better alternative than buying without the thoughts of maintenance. A mechanic that works on Benz will be very good in Benz. It's a different car and complex in composition. There are many precautions and post-cautions on the contemporary models that will discriminate the unexperienced.

There are Nigerians that can work on Benzes without remedial services. There is a reason why it is their jobs.

The E's (including CLS and CL) and the S's are the most expensive Benzes to own. I am referring to all the variants. Mercedes discloses limited information concerning these models. The rest of the line-up are fully disclosed. The mechanical information Mercedes releases are not understood by the layman or a person without professional understanding relating to Benzes. How does the internet fill that void? You need to question why "they" are on the internet with so much queries about a problem. Majority are leasing a vehicle but do not want to patronise the independent mechanic or dealer that will perform the required maintenance. I am sure the professionals are not disclosing valuable information because it will be unprofitable. Therefore, useless information abounds.

These are cars for qualified mechanics. It is not for amateurs. This is why many foreign purchased vehicle do not go two years in Nigeria. It's a duty for everyone to find a qualified mechanics; not resorting to the internet as life-support (maintenance).

yungboss: somorin, ermm....i think we should end this matter. I do not know about racing and much of tyres, aside the fundamental engineering textbook analysis garnered from academic course...but i do fully understand Trac's points and i do not think he'd come out here openly to speak without some level of authority. Asking for "water-soluble tyre" or tyres that "dissolve" is wrong ab initio, Trac had said he stated "disintergrate" and went on to state that it isn't a visible phenomenon (such like the breakdown of the lattice of a cube of sugar, or the melting of a candle stick)...i understand from Trac's perspective since he never applied the words soluble, melt etc. I also respect your views Somorin...but on this matter, i think it may not be resolved from asking to see a tyre disintergrating in water and it being shown to you like "this is it" there are nuances especially in Engineering...
Ikenna, what does it entail for a thread to be derailed? Just asking...

It is/was depressing tugging this. Within me, I am tempted to believe this was being done on purpose but I'm certain [that] otherwise is the case. It is stereotyped in the United States that Nigerians are remarkable brilliant intellectually (colloquially termed smart - not the direct interpretation of the word but genius/genius-like) but was shocked one could stumble upon a "double-entendre*." It is ludicrous.

_{* Not an English word and pronounced as | dooble ontond | - /*This means ambiguity of meaning arising from language that lends itself to more than one interpretation (Websters Dictionary)*/. The pronunciation is important and unforgiven when broken. You don't pronounce faux-pas as fox-pass. The hyphen in-between is deliberate to relay it as a compound word.}

Surely, it's my fault: firstly - responding to such an incoherent question: secondly - trying to stimulate some reasoning.

There are lots of information I would have disclosed to buttress this (not the perverted interpretation that has derailed the thread) with world competitions as references. The best pilot - subjective - in the world died due to the disintegration of tyres and a lawsuit dragged for 11 years or more. The defense was acquitted upon this principle.

In the course of this thread, I would have started an unabashed polemic but will only end by portraying me as negative. I understand it is the internet and everyone is free to speak but it is by no means an excuse to suppress effort exercising some homework.

This has been nothing but a complete waste of my time.

I have attached a reference and it is also to debunk his claims on racing. Not that I ever believed he races but out of respect, suppressed it because I was done constructing a polemic on another thread. Sadly, he hasn't stated much but the limited inputs is enough to make an example similar to how he derailed the thread.

Slicks are not used for the duration of a season as he stated; cannot be driven in standing or non-standing water, cast alloys are needed, sub-marine seats deleted and substituted with circuit-designed bucket seats. Extensive modification is to be done on any vehicle intended to be run on these specification. The first is the engine. Second are the suspension components. A standard sport damper will overheat, so customisable racing dampers are used, the bushings and various chassis components will have to be replaced with purpose built alternatives. Afterwards, the structural aspect of the cabin compartment: it has to be stiffened, so it's stripped and integrated roll bars welded and all weight unneeded has to be rid (this is not to be mistaken as chassis stiffening). This is because of the communication between the road forces and the driver. Physics as common sense cannot be omitted when driving using this configuration. The tyres don't last long, 20 to about 40 miles of high speed. There are four categories of these compound. These are the ones that disintegrate in water or temperature loss. There are two others but classified as wet. Overall, 6 tyres should be expected from a spectators view. When the tyres are warmed, they are placed in heat warmers to keep them hot in the paddock. You cannot prolong-idle with this compound installed. The warmers are needed. This is what I portrayed in those GP pictures. The wheels have no channels (threads). Take note of the textures; picture 1, is different from picture 2 and 3. How do they expel water at the industry's practical standard of 300km/hr? They aren't engineered for that. It means nothing to whom it is unaccustomed.

Above all, it is circuit-specific. The tyres are not cheap and not readily available as people may think. The set of tyre on a Veyron cost 50,000 Pound Sterlings and they last a few thousand miles. A run at top speed requires complete replacement because tyre disintegration has occurred. These are street high-performance tyres for road and track use. You have an idea how much a higher tier slick will cost. As far as I am concerned, they are sold in volumes and illegal in the United States for road-use.

I do not like automotive journalism and picky about content. In the 90's, automotive journalism wasn't for the pertrol-heads but for everyone; and a useful tool in anticipation for a new car purchase. NEEDELL Tiff, is a civil engineer - race driver - automotive journalist. The review in this link is enough to convey in motion-pictures bald tyres in the wet as oppose to threaded tyres.

This is Old Top Gear. Take note from 3:19 min
Old Top Gear 1992 - Tyre Safety


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU2a7TwZNHw

The science behind slicks is rooted in Atomic Structures and Inter-Atomic Bonding. This is first taken in Biology 1 for Nursing and Science Majors. The wall-gecko is used because it is the natural example of molecular bonding. Materials Science goes in deep details but many inter-related disciplines come in.

The science behind tyres would have been a great topic for this thread because it will be a blend of science and everyday life plus Physics at Fourth-Form/SS1/10th Grade (no more of Physics beyond this grade) and its comprehensive applications/phenomena (including slip, polar/overturning moments, how cars turn, forces generated on-the-fly -- and so on).


I don't believe the thread should be locked. The offending (troll) post should be suppressed; everybody is getting tired and it is a sure nuisance discussing unrelated thread matters. I'm expecting to hear from the professionals and the sport fans. The thread will be found and comments will be posted afterwards.

Ikenna351: @ Trac,

Americans call it Tire, while Britons call it Tyre. Both are correct.

Ikenna.

My spellings are in British (except for those the spell-checkers auto-correct) because I'm relating with Nigerians on NL. The standard-English tenses is how I talk and write. I am aware of the variation in spellings but that is not what I was referring to. I made an example of a disc rotor. The proposed arguement does not reflect upon the example presented. It has an identity. It's an identity that will create serious "tension" because it is unbelievable to the layman and not out-rightly comprehensive. The introduction starts from there as a dedicated study. Also, the study of "tyres" is one (if not the) most complicated structure in a car (as simple as it looks).

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Pardon the attachment. It is intended for YoungBoss. The thread limitations per post forbids attachments beyond 200KB.

This is a scanned reference, automotive for dummies. It sheds a lot of light about the possibilities of drag-racing and racing in the wet; proving my points so far. This is the lowest reference possible. That's a book [and] not a website. Anything above this is specialised information (science oriented).

Somorin#1:


Trac, you wrote this "Some disintegrate in water."

Please show an example of a tire that disintegrate in water and I will sign off of NairaLand immediately.

This issue will not rest until you do so. I suggest you get cracking on finding your proof, or retracting your allegation, as opposed to copying and pasting more unrelated ramblings. And if I may add, dragging others into this.

I have steadfastly stood on my own to challenge you, leave others out of it.

PS: I've been features in two British rags (and I don't even live in UK) as well as in at least 5 American rags.

But no need to go into that, just demonstrate proof of your water soluble tires.

You are in denial. This is why you cannot answer directly the questions asked. I have done the task for you by picking three sources of references for your understanding; two to which you have access to.

It is not my duty to prove what you fail to comprehend. Beside what you claim to stand by, I find most of what you state in-coherent and partially incomprehensible.

disintegration or nuclear disintegration
any process of nuclear decay involving a splitting into more nuclei or the emission of particles (either spontaneously or as a result of a collision).
Oxford Dictionary of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry p.180

disintegration
Any process in which an atomic nucleus breaks up spontaneously into two or more fragments in a radioactive decay process …
Oxford Dictionary of Physics - Current Online version of 2012

http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199233991.001.0001/acref-9780199233991-e-805?rskey=jicIre&result=891&q=

Webster's Dictionary | disintegrate |
(a) to undergo a change in composition
(b) to lose the unity or integrity of

jDictionary Advanced English
lose cohesion or unity //more general: change integrity
<cross-referenced> an inferior state

With respect to what you identify with:

dis·in·te·gra·tion - google
/disˌintəˈgrāSHən/
Noun
The process of losing cohesion.
The process of coming to pieces.

Friend, the soluble non-sense is your interpretation and has nothing to do with and materials-of-deformable-bodies (Strength of Materials); to which Nigerians are firmly acquainted with. "That" post or clause (whichever your pick is) had everything to do with dynamics (kinematics-of-a-particle) and nothing of your deviation. Do your dirty work. I am not responsible for what you misunderstand or fail to comprehend. That's your problem; not anyone's. You've missed it from the definition, therefore responding accordingly and demanding proofs thereafter. What a world, indeed!!!

It must be no coincidence that everyone got it but you. -- continue making your interpretations without [the] appropriate applied aptitude. I am convinced beyond reasonable doubt that the subject is above your understanding; for you find it difficult coming to terms - as evidences have already proven.

You might think it is funny dragging the whole thread this far; misapplying concepts and phenomena hoping to prove a point for self-satisfaction. A pity indeed because you've been sized-up. I hope you have been an entertainment to those that found you amusing. Very impressive!

Good day, Mr. Somorin. There is no point having further discussion on this subject with you. I am not here for a verbal "scene" and all needed to be proven has been correctly disclosed. Further comments from you is for the rest of the Nairalanders associated with this thread. A rule of caution: it is uncivil to pick a clause and isolate it from a body of context; same goes for a sub-ordinate clause and a co-ordinated clause. You'll be wasting your time addressing me; likewise henceforth.

Your judgement should be how you would feel if you it were you. How would you accept the condition?

Indirect but also relevant

Many cars get towed from complexes and auctioned-off after a period in the facility without ransom. Many end up in Nigeria. The law favours it but ethically, it's questionable.

I'm going to sound odd and out-of-place but it is worth discussing/addressing. I am not anticipating an episode but caution. I've gone through the last two pages and [it] isn't too impressive. Diagnosing a vehicle is not something to be done online. In the last two pages, the hypothesis are off. One specifically given - for a relatively simple problem - completely off with an expensive solution. Another; a repair done that was completely unrelated but expensive. Mechanics are paid to do this, for it is their career and they possess all the resource needed to get the job done.

I don't despise humble beginnings; the very reason I don't go around putting inputs on threads, save for a few exceptions. Giving off solutions is not as reading a book. Maintaining a Mercedes is not cheap neither is it easy when certain tier of problems occur. It is also picky. What happens when the internet is shutdown? It puzzling how one owns a vehicle without a pre-determined considerations who the service-mechanics would be.

So far (from the last two pages) - all I can conclude is the race to eliminate symptoms without "fore-'cepts" of root-causes.

It's bad practice. It is not an opinion but reality. Some are far-back in maintenance that is becomes troubling to a third-party observer. I'm not being thread-specific regarding the last sentence but day-to-day reality. It's not just Benz but other vehicles. Many ought to budget money and fulfill appointments with a mechanic (garage). That should be promoted. This may seem like a the easier path out but motion does not mean progress.

Somorin#1:
Trac, you wrote this "Some disintegrate in water."

What is wrong with the statement?

What is alarming about it?

Interpret (from your perspective) what the quote denotes?

Somorin#1:
Trac, you wrote this "Some disintegrate in water."

Please show an example of a tire that disintegrate in water and I will sign off of NairaLand immediately.

This issue will not rest until you do so. I suggest you get cracking on finding your proof, or retracting your allegation, as opposed to copying and pasting more unrelated ramblings.

The subject does not rest to you. The contrary is to me. Inasmuch as others get what's conveyed, that's all that matters. Leaving NL will yield in return nothing. This is NL. Everyone is different in background. The national GDP will never be affected by you leaving NL. I am not in a debate neither a contest.

Somorin#1:
PS: It's tire where I am from nor tyre though any person of measurable IQ knows that they are the same item. Not sure what all the overblown pictures of F1 cars are to prove.

There you go again; you never cease to amaze me. The word "tyre" used is the predicate to - comprehensive product and fundamental/engineering description - respectively. I am not referring to regional variation of spellings. Like-Comparison: a brake-rotor (as erroneously known) is not a rotor but a disc. That's its fundamental and engineering identity. Likewise, tyre is a product name; not its identity. A tyre is a system. An open system to be precise.

Don't worry about the GP's. It is irrelevant to you but useful for those that will comment later. The post is not solely for you but others were considered. If you are still full of zeal in pursuit of this subject, get in touch with Siena and ask for his expert understanding of this. He has lapped the world's stringent circuit and has also attained engineering feats upon Audi that caused him to grace the cover of one of Britain's acclaimed automotive magazines. I'm referring to the magazine that portrayed Siena in dreadlocks. With understanding to push Physics to the limit in his specialty - enough to be recognised by the British (and grace Britain's publication cover), then he is good. If Siena isn't good for you, there are other automotive professionals and refiners here. Maybe open a thread.

abdulkadir: I have been following this thread silently, even tho i often times have problems with Trac's approach, i have learnt to live with it and accept that he is not a "social butterfly" nd in as much as i respect somorin#1 and most his views, on this issue i think u r not gettin it right. I dont know but i wonder how you can get a picture of a tire dat has or is disintegratin in water. But from my stint with sciences and all what Trac has explained, it is scientifically possible.
on a lighter note, its alleged tha

You are right you can't see it with your naked eyes. It is sub-surface and at molecular level. This can only be done at a lab equipped for this and there aren't many in the world. The construction of these tyres are secret. I am referring to the subsidiary information not the fundamental. Rudimental and out-dated information may be available. Manufacturers want to keep that edge, so information is kept secret. In water, these tyres look as smooth on the external but compromised.

yosmen:

Scientifically,it is possible i agree with u.but has there been any known application of "water soluble tyre" thats the point we need proofs

I suggest you re-read the texts of this thread and follow carefully. What you are asking is a result of error in judgement. It is also not scientifically possible. As you have read previously, there are NL'ers that understand what has been discussed and find nothing wrong with the texts.

Somorin#1:
Guys, I mean no harm to anyone, including Trac himself, in my pursuit of proof of what he alleged.

He asserted that their was a tire that can disintegrate in water.

I simply cannot just take his word for it and need proof. I am certain it doesn't exists but willing to learn but he hasn't shown me a tire as such.

Car Talk is a collective of great minds where we all learn from each other and it isn't a place to just drop unsound ideas.

PS: I called my rep at TireRack.Com, he has been in the automotive tired business for over 50 years and he hasn't heard of a water soluble tire before.

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Around 1990, on a hot sunny day I was at a gas station and noticed a Guy in the next lane to me checking his oil. I noticed that there was no radiator, this piqued my interest. I sauntered over there for a conversation.

The Guy ended up being a Professor at a small college and was working on this idea of filling his engine block with a material he made that made the engine run cool enough to not need a radiator. It was successful.

When I told my mates about this at our club meeting, they all laughed at me and asked what I had been drinking.

I had to go about 100 miles to the college and convince the Professor to let me take a picture.

At our next club meeting I redeemed myself with the picture.

This is kinda what I am looking for. Yes I know you can make a tire from a water soluble substance on a lark but it's not realistic.

No where did I state "dissolve, water solubility" and any other translation that regards to the state of matter. You coined that.

You read and mis-interpreted. I have no problem if you critique (I wouldn't have responded if it was otherwise) but critical reading and comprehension is not erroneously interpreting contents/contexts.

Be that as it may; this is what I posted:

Trac: The answer to this topic is tyre sensitivity and loading with respect to compound. The weightiness of horizontal forces coupled with variations in loading is of severe importance. Since speed does not depend on lateral friction comparatively, softer rubber compounds with higher adhesion meets the objective in question.

There is a problem in the objective met: strength of materials with respect to vertical loads as braking, cornering and acceleration are executed. The standard profile ratio has been compromised for higher co-efficient of friction; hence the softer compound. Since softer dedicated compounds have a higher co-efficient of friction, longevity has been given up for extreme tyre performance at optimum tyre temperature (racing tyres operate best at optimum temperatures). Pressure, velocity and other kinematic forces are constantly varying on-the-fly during operation and a standard section tyre will fail with the aforementioned forces coupled with extreme temperatures (will melt). Also, frequent tyre changes due to very limited tyre cycles.

To resolve this was to engineer a higher yield stress for the given duration of work intended; hence a higher contact section. In other words, less tyre-loading per contact unit measure. So, wider to withstand load and to compensate. This is the only reason why the tyres are wide-profile. It has nothing to do with stability. That is another realm completely different from the topic.

Most passenger cars are just fitted for sake of aesthetic. Tyres designated for racing isn't legal for road use. Some disintegrate in water. Some higher performance tyres will exert a lot of loadings on suspension components, thus causing premature failure of suspension components.

Not a single word talks about "dissolve" and "solubility." As a matter of fact, the text does not "tempt" the reader to such conclusions.

For instance: Integration is used in Mathematics to make an expression relative its base function. This is introduced at fourth-form, tenth-grade or SS1. This problem-solving approach is addressed in Further Mathematics. Can you conclusively state that expressions are being frozen or solidified? That is how it sounds. That logic has no place in conveying Calculus.

Slicks are overspecialized tyres. For what it is intended for [design-wise], they lack channels. The FIA banned the use of slicks in 1998 due to safety and was recently reinstated.

Slicks are deadly when driven below its temperature and it is impossible to warm those up on legal roads without breaking the law. This specification of construction takes a minimum of thirty minutes of diverse gravitational and kinetic loadings to progressively/uniformly warm them up and the uninstalled [for the time period] are placed in heat-warmers to keep it at operating temperature.

They are:

* not re-useable
* subject to creep
* circuit specific - in other words, slicks designed for Donington cannot be used at Silverstone
* sticky [only] when hot
* tangentially stressed when cold or below operating temperature

Dernie, Frank (F1 Car Designer and aerophysicist) stated that when slicks fall below operating temperatures, the performance is as though you are skiing. He was referring on the dry.

What is the summary of all the "physics" so far? This piece of construction performs badly when cold and optimum in the specified heat-ranges (becomes sticky). When driven cold it compromises its molecular properties, thus offering no mechanical advantage for its intended purpose. Sticky at operating temperatures, driver careens though standing water: does that maintain its operating temperature or cause it to elevate? It is illogical to think it will perform as designed after heat-loss; especially [for] a medium that gives a tolerance of 2-3 degC and only functions at exclusive performances when hot. This is where the disintegrating phenomenon begins (sudden drop in heat-loss plus high tyre rotation/sec) giving a change in molecular composition. Above all, you can't manoeuvre in the wet with wide wheels of 380mm+ and no channels for evacuation. Hydro-planing is what the laws of physics will give [bountifully] in return; especially on legendary circuits that are not designed for over-taking manoeuvres (at optimum weather). It's another cue that it was not designed to go 300km/hr in the wet.



Re: tiretrack - the thread would have benefited if you quoted word-for-word instead of your interpretation. What you told the representative/expert is not what the premise to your quest. A finite conclusion would be promising if you read the whole post to the employee for interpretation. I can guarantee, you will get more information (of good substance) than you would expect from this thread or anywhere online; for they have professional information that can be disclosed to you. One that follows motor-racing as a sport will disclose the ultimate answer. Frankly, it's impressive you took the extra step to place a call.

Somorin#1:


This is kinda what I am looking for. Yes I know you can make a tire from a water soluble substance on a lark but it's not realistic.

Tyres are not water-soluble neither is there a constituent that is water-soluble in its construction. The base material is latex and it is then vulcanised. I hope you are aware that the comprehensive product is called "tyre." The fundamental/engineering description is not called a tyre.

samir101ng: @somorin,

It seems your brain is simply incapable of processing simple/common english. Is it the word "melt" that's got your panties in a twist ?! You just added disintegrate to it now and you still don't get it ?! Or is your brain telling you that if you just pick a tyre and put it inside water it will just melt like icecream on a hot plate. Haba !!!

@trac,
Please kindly don't waste your breath as it seems somorin is too dense to understand your simple explanations and use of english. I can assure you others have benefited and understood your points. Was getting pissed reading the same thrash uttered by him day in day out.

I was taken a-back as well. It's still beyond me Lesson's learnt, Samir; lesson's learnt.

What [exactly] is the purpose of Car-Talk: Car-Talk's objective?

It is undeniably a derivative of Autos. The observational objectives [however] are not clear. This is partly due to the fact that no clear and definitive objectives were stated. From my examination, I denote this section as either a repetition of Autos or misplaced criteria.

More than half of the forum's threads deserve to be in Auto-Section (from my perception of this section). This includes comparos (including the engine wars, types of oil to use, etc). Also, anything to do with product promotion, favourability of brands etc should be at Auto-Section. It is a fortress for the 'likes' mentioned. At the opposite end, it becomes subjective because no clear objectives were ever stated beyond what is vaguely presented. This in turn gives a wide degree of interpretation to the [original] purpose of the section.

Siena: I wonder how I ever missed this?! An old thread, but we learn a new thing everyday.

Trac, what ended up being the problem with the car?

It was posted in Autos and did not know of Car-Talk. It was my [very] first post NL's bot seized the first thread shortly after

Siena, you mayn't believe it. The plugs! The approach of deductive service was crucial to me because I wanted to know what the root of the problem was. Though expensive and time consuming, it was worth it. So, the plugs would be the reference origin and proceed from there as time (weeks). The plugs were not what Audi stated in the Factory Operation Manual and the project halted till the NGK specified plugs were gotten. Though inconvenient (weekend and the dealership was closed), the owner went "everywhere" till he found the plugs specifically instructed. I met the owner months later and told me the problem never existed after the last meet-up. No camshaft sensor was disturbed/replaced.

The vehicle would quiver and if the engine isn't killed sooner than it could ultimately tolerate, a valve could bend. People think I take things excessively serious but the "composition" of the vehicle demands one specification. Though the plugs generically were alike, worked for a months but the ignition system was unhappy with it. This is probably why the previous owner got rid of it.

The slight rough (very faint) irregularity in the idle when all was corrected would have been from the fermented fuel.

t-die:
@ Trac;
I am also in Academia, and different opinions CAN and DO exist about some particular issues...at least in my own branch of science (Medicine).

I created because I felt that the pettiness of the other sections had crept into Car Talk and its entirely up to us to chart the way forward. It is also sad that our more experienced contributors are keeping a rather low profile these days.

However, if our major contributors (or anyone for that matter) decide(s) to leave the section, It is not a right or wrong decision; its THEIR decision, and has be respected.

It however still leaves the problem(s) unsolved.

Your point on academia is correct and it applies to all fields; not just medicine. My personal observation about what is currently addressed in this thread is that it isn't relative to Car-Talk but Nigerians as a whole (people). The same thing is found amongst Nigerian-controlled organisations. It may sound like I am bashing but it is a honest opinion that took more than a decade to conclude on after watching from afar. While this is so on a collective aspect, it is not always so on an individual-by-case basis. Nobody wants friction with anybody. This is not to say that there wouldn't be exceptions to this.

To directly address your point (which is the overall relevance to this thread): it is true it will be a direct disservice to the community as a piece. It is also not good. It is not the differences in the opinions that is adding to the "laws of diminishing return" but the sheer rudeness and poor (quality of) organisation. It is discouraging and frustrating. Many [in person] will not open their mouths and speak their retarded opinions/comments (disrespectful) but behind the monitor, they are all they can be. On the other hand, a communication probably wouldn't have started in the first place. In organisation, that is another matter entirely. Some - understandable; many - unacceptable! The understandable(s) need not be addressed (in this thread) but the unacceptable(s) cancels all. We know it and play like it does not exist.

I was going to put on the Observation And Criticism thread about the objectives of Car-Talk. Moreover, Car-Talk isn't losing it's salt. It has always been like this. One would never have thought the Auto-Section were better "days." In other words, there was no written standard but everyone attained an expected standard.

sultaan:

when you used the words "minister to millions" i hope you won't call him daddy one day .

No, I won't I meant the word(s) as flat as it sounded; i.e. outreach - not clergy.

sultaan: My point is still that if you go down to the basics of buying a supercar which I measure in fun/$ you will get a lot more out of the Corvette than any super car.

Look at the link below and show me a Ferrari in that list

http://www.howstuffworks.com/5-fastest-speeds-on-autobahn.htm#page=1


And the video is sweet

It's all good Sultaan. Sincerely (and that's with all respect with no reservation)!

The problem with NL is cyber-bullying. Cyber-bullying is not socially acceptable anywhere; but in NL.

Why?:
* Why should anyone restrain him/herself from certain expressions because of some hooligans?
* Why is NL a breeding ground for such?
* Why should one initiate a thread or comment and an insult thereafter is the response?
* Why should the discretion of responding to a particular inquiry be concluded via e-mail instead of the allocated reply row of the thread (due to strict content nature)?

All these will continue until a 0% tolerance to cyber-bullying is initiated and enforced. I'm not referring to NL's standard of a ban (which is wrong by all contexts of definition). A ban is permanent. A suspension is a cooling-off period that calls for evaluation of conduct. Such offenders are to be banned. Most of the time, they never return. In cases where they return under another screen-name, it usually doesn't repeat itself.

As though the points emphasized are not bad enough, posts of substance are hidden (or deleted) and purposeless remarks (that does no good) abound. We are humans; everyone has their points (critical) of inflection. If people are leaving or restraining themselves in droves, a root-cause is in place. We can't [all] pretend that nothing is going on; we are yet to come to terms with truth.

t-die:
Hi Guys,
It's really saddening to see our beloved Car Talk section degenerate into a section where insults (both subtle and glaring) are being exchanged between members-all because of differing opinions.
Without starting to mention names, I want to appeal to all of us to please sheath our swords. Lets learn to accept that people will ALWAYS have different opinions about the same thing. These opinions CAN be discussed without being rude-its the norm in the academic world and we CAN do it here.
Car Talk has succeeded in educating a lot of us about cars and if a lot of contributors start backing off, then we have all lost an avenue for learning.
On behalf of all of us who feel slighted by some members of the section, I apologize.
Please lets start afresh.
t-die

You are wrong on one note. It's either get it right in academia or you flunk. That is why you have exams. Your opinion does not matter, lest the world will be in chaos. The issue you are addressing is dissociated from academia or a controlled-community. This is epic to no/poor interpersonal skills.

Grown_Man: @ Trac.... your analysis are very strong but one has to also look at affordability. And believe me I understand the risk in buying cars you almost don't know the history off (Accident write offs put back on the road for the African continent, mainly Nigeria) but is there not a case for affordability? Will the fact that these (made in Nigeria) cars are tropicalised really matter should one get an equally clean and good vehicle based on imported used car (tokunbo) for a fraction of the naija made car?

The idea I had was to get a tokunbo of any of the above but not from the US and I was thinking others would have done what I wanted to do before. I am now wondering if importing a good used car is a good idea at all although money to buy brand new is another matter entirely.

I understand the cost factor. My emphases are on the trade-offs. Getting a foreign-based vehicle will come with its trade-offs. A tropicalised car will never be a non-tropicalised car. A BMW 5 Series; no matter how customised (uprated in power) will never be an M5. It is two different product standards. There are lots of variables that differ fundamentally. It is a different subject [matter] in reference to condition. A poorly maintained tropicalised' is no match in scale for a well-maintained non-tropicalised vehicle. A vehicle in poor condition is a vehicle in poor condition.

As LexusGS implied, the purpose will still be served (as long as the car is good). Be sure to get one that will run on Nigerian fuel. That is, the octane rating.

Siena:

It has definitely lost its humour, which is why I don't post here anymore.

It is sad because NL was an insight for me to know more about Nigeria. This was my intent in 2007. I use to remember getting on NL at my work terminal. I believe this is not the intent of NL. Osewa (as called in high school) was an extreme & exceptional student. Everyone knew he would be great. Like-minded-wise, many lives have been positively touched with this portal. He has ministered to millions indirectly. It is not really possible to have a perfect system (which is understood) but certain things shouldn't be encountered. There is a lot more this portal can offer. Uncivilised conducts will constrict this. A German friend of mine left this forum after certain remarks. This shouldn't be happening. In my opinion, NL is Nigeria's fore-front cyber-wise. I don't know of another portal this diverse with direct-to-direct interaction. You actually get to know people on NL. You can also meet people in person (with care, obviously). With consistent negative portrayal, it takes little effort to justify Nigerians stereotypically to the one's that are on closed-minded. To these minded people, NL can serve as a catalyst without much effort.

Currently, there are 21 rules global to this portal. I don't know if it's a step to the positive direction or a circular loop around the impending problems. If everyone starts leaving due to negative factors, the fibre of NL weakens and the good subscribers will show dis-interest in droves. Seun is a quiet person by nature (maybe he is a changed person) and may only take actions after extreme encounters. On the contrary, I don't know how easy (that is the reality) it would be to control a portal this large.

platinumricky:
The above comment is extremely rude and unnecessary! Na wetin!!! Can't you present ur argument in a polite manner?! This aint the politics section...

Thanks for covering me. People forget the objective of forums. It is a free-zone. It got so far that he lied on me (https://www.nairaland.com/1202680/fat-tyre-thine-tyre.what-advantages#14622394) and the thread continued in that lie (despite correction). I tried to soften the impact because coming outright may yield unfavourable emotions (despite his slander). He pressed on and I was done. I threw in the towel and sealed the discussion with terminating facts. It wasn't because of him but the rest that followed (or following) the thread and the rest that will stop-by afterwards.

Sadly, google has indexed it as number 1 with the appropriate search terms.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=racing+compound+disintegrating+in+water

The whole world sees this and the Western's myth about African's is further perpetuated.

Somorin#1:


Your lack of automotive acumen is on a dangerous level.

It would be funny if you weren't making this elaborate idiotic suggestions.

An MR2 is now a supercar?

The 2ng generation MR2 with turbo engine is arguably more dangerous than any vette.

Only a complete idiot would heed any of your silly suggestions.

Somorin,


I really don't know what to tell you. You lost total credibility with me. Take your vendetta and carry it elsewhere. It will profit you nothing. Absolutely nothing! If I worth nothing, why do you follow my posts everywhere? Why do you resort to responding after my comments? -- even so much that you had to lie on me (https://www.nairaland.com/1202680/fat-tyre-thine-tyre.what-advantages). If it were of no substance, why bother?!. Then again, it is highly a laughable consideration because you've been put to your place. It is out of respect that I prolonged putting you in check. Don't think one cannot make a mockable situation but people choose not to. Everyone is cordial.

Responding to you further from this point would be dignifying your portrayal to shared-humanity. From this point on, never respond to anything I comment upon. You can state your opinion afar but not in direct response to what I state.

Arteta99: Tnx for ur response sir, I'v already acquired the B.sc. I understand the objective may sound generic cos I never specified a particular area I'd like to specialize on but I prefer japanese cars n will like to focus on the powertrain. Will so much appreciate if u could be of help or make reference to how I can achieve this dream. Concerning the thread section, I posted initially in the career section but was moved to car talk by the moderator

The moderator shouldn't have done so. This is not Car-Talk. The discussion reflects upon cars but don't pertain directly to the objective(s) of Car Talk. It is about goals professional-wise, aspiration and preparation to "attain." The depth of this discussion cannot be shared in this section.

I guess it is safe to assume you are looking into service-and-repair. It was discussed vaguely at this link:

https://www.nairaland.com/1220821/becoming-seasoned-auto-mechanic-automotive

You should have no problem expanding on the points listed. Though, I would love to have gone in great lengths, the nature of the forum caused me to reconsider. There are certain discussions no one plays with.

In the meantime, I will petition the thread(s) be moved to the Career Section. Like-minded people will respond. When the discussion starts rolling, it will be a dedicated thread for the intended purpose.

Grown_Man: This is an eye opener for me with all these tropical issues you guys are raising.... something I did't really consider initially in getting a car... thanks so much for pointing them out. One now has to wonder if its worth importing cars from Europe anylonger? Is it?

If you have the money, purchase from the dealerships in Nigeria. It won't have the needless bells-and-whistles but you will have more than a dependable vehicle. You don't risk the possibilities of purchasing quarantine cars that have been deemed non-road worthy (you know what I mean). A tropicalised car is of a different standard than a non-tropicalised. It is the same with an European car against an American. Standards! It will cost money for conversion to meet U.S. standards; lest you will have problem with regulatory bodies. In like and higher standards, it is a higher and expensive task making a tropicalised car out of a non-tropicalised model. It is too expensive. The variables are many and some variables differ fundamentally with no possibility of reconciliation.

Lexusgs: For utmost peace of mind, any of the above models would be fine for Nigerian roads, just buy a proper LHD !!!!!!

Nobody disputed that. The aforementioned was after the fact. The question is "which is best?" My understanding is that no Lexus is built for tropical regions. The Lexus' have Toyota badges (cloned) with flexible options that aren't premium-priced. That disqualified the Lexus relative to the question asked. In considering a Lexus, a trade-off has to be considered; hence the discussion.

Grown_Man: Thanks... I didn't realise that there will be so much difference... but you have raised a great point with the tropical conditions of the cars. Just wish there was someone out there who use one to comment... thanks for your feedback m8.

My parents own an Avensis and was bought new from Elizade or Briscoe (can't remember). I drove it and liked it (manual); uses a lot of gas for a 4-cylinder. It's not library-quiet like the Lexus (which makes me uneasy and uncomfortable) but more than a decent executive saloon that met my taste. I can remember it being longer interior-wise than its overall appearance. The ergonomics is above acceptable and I never had problems with the seats. What was impressive was how it performed on untarred pavements at moderate velocity. It's was not a floaty car and was relatively still new. I took note of all these plus a complete examination of the engine and the car round-a-bout with pictures. I am not sure if the options were my dad's (which I doubt) or there were more standards in the Avensis but some non-tropical options were included. This was the heater. The engine composition wasn't really as pronounced as the prior and subsequent Toyota's bought

The other tropicalised Toyota bought within the same period [new] were more purpose-built than the Avensis. The cooling was obvious and the suspension was specialised for the Nigerian roads. No heater, paddle shifter, windscreen instead of windshield, and a few others I cannot recall. The A/C unit is done differently to compensate for the hot heat. On the delivery note, it is categorically stated as "Hot and Climate Package"; it also stated for the Arabian market. This is what Toyota of Nigeria is selling.

Tropicalised and non-tropicalised models are not the same and will never be. From my family's experience down the years, you pay more for a a bit less in options but the drawbacks are not present; that is liners bubbling, "paint" peeling/fading, suspension reinforced and fine-tuned (most obvious) for Nigerian roads, proper cooling (engine and interior) and so on. The engine components are not the same as well. It cost more optioning a tropicalised vehicle but in the long-run, you save greatly on maintenance.

car-doctor:
I cant figure out how you acquired a Bsc in Automobile Technology without going through the practical aspects of automobile technology. Funny, very funny.

Cross-examine the credential. It states BSc. So, vehicle technology from a scientific approach in light of engineering. Or vehicle technology from a science approach. It's not BEng, which is not as wide in scope, purely engineering in focus; in other words, ingenuity of the "applied" concepts.

School cannot give you everything. The purpose of school is to discipline your understanding to comprehend difficult or specialized concepts. Schools will not go beyond the fundamentals and would expect that you acquire the rest yourself by professional development or internships.

The vehicle technology is where the concern should be because that isn't vehicular engineering. It is a far-broader field than the engineering aspect because it combines multitudes of disciplines (depending on the specified objective). Often, no ground-breaking engineering is required (invention); just continuous improvements (innovation in this context) of established technology or create using established engineering (meaning they engineer as well). For example: Volvo - they never invent but continuously improve on proven technology and take it many steps ahead. Apple is another example. In summary, it's mostly the "wholesome" aspect and how improvements can be done. Many sub-sections are within this level; including tailored hardware mechanisms, fluid systems, ergonomics, marketing, customer perception etc. So it is broad.

People in this line of field are regarded as engineers or technologist. They are both the same in job qualification and their job-description is the same. Their perception will not be the same. They are not technicians.

Arteta99: Please I need help in pursuing my career in the automobile industry. Need a modern workshop or an automobile engineer who can train me as an apprentice in order to learn more practical skills with the advancement in modern technology. Had B.sc in Automobile technology

You never stated a clear objective. I am not sure if you are aspiring to achieve a BSc in Automotive, in the process or has been acquired.

It is very possible. Without a clear objective, you might not go very far because you will not be able to focus your zeal hard enough for accomplishments. Practical skills in the advancement of automotive technology is clearly subject to misplaced interpretation.

What do you want to do? The goal stated is too generic. Sounds like you are sorting R & D or something like that. If that isn't what your goals were, don't mock at it. It's not to be categorised as a laughable conclusion. You do not know what is coming out of Nigeria. If Nigerians can spend so much on aeronautical engineering, the automotive is as strong.

Maybe the various threads should be combined and centralized. However, this is best suited in the Career Section. There is a lot to be spoken. Over time, ideas will conglomerate. There are lots of mechanical engineering graduates with interest in ground-vehicles. There are many potentials within them and field-opportunities to exploit with the understanding of their discipline.