This is the remaining two. I will strongly counsel you reconsider your thoughts on the subject. In addition, epithets are held to great emphases. Also pay attention to table 3.3.

Case is closed. If you have further information, the State University is in the city you reside. The library will give you further information in-depth as well as existing patents.

There are no further comments.

@Somorin,


For your sake and the rest following (the thread), I have gotten one proposition from the Dutch Polymer Institute NL, excerpts from Continental Reifen Deutschland GmbH's Documentationn (Continental Tires) on Tyre Damage, an incorrect paper and two web pages. The Dutch proposition is enough to answer all your question. The offending word is "disintegrate"; isn't it? Let see who the ignorant was: the so-called that "knows" it all.

Pick your flavour:
-- * scientific paper
-- * technical documentation by a tyre manufacturing company (Continental tires)
-- * a paper partly erroneous by a college graduate
-- * a technical article by a qualified BMW enthusiast that proves with facts
-- * or a webpage that belongs to a manufacturing company


I suppose they were all half-awake or completely unelightened to have used the word "disintegrate" and lacked the understanding of rubber-mechanics. You are free to write and publish your own interpretation.

I've defended myself (as you have charged) using science and references; the burden is up to you. If you can't, then as far as I am concerned, it's all in print (including the faux pas') and this conversation is over.


References:
Research Programme of the Dutch Polymer Institute NL Prj 459 p.9 && 10 -----(first image)
Continental Reifen Deutschland GmbH - Tyre Damage, p.12 && 14 -------------(third image)
The rest is linked.

Somorin#1:


Where is the picture of the water soluble tire Sir?

You can dance and prance around the subject but I await just the one request I have for you. Picture of the water solubel tire you alluded to in the beginning.

You can't produce it or back it up so you use wayo wayo eyinbo and flim flam google/youtube hack data.

PS: By the way, you can stop with your thinly veiled weak attempts to insult me. I am not one of your minions so I am immune.

I like this section, lots of good educative data. Waiting for your contribution.

Everything is in script. It's all self-explained. You have cognitively displayed your scientific and cognitive aptitude. It's of no benefit to you because you lack the scientific and engineering background. Then you use terms not associated. How do you expect me to relate to you? You don't know how much you've displayed of yourself. The scientific aptitude is not there and you openly displayed it. A word of caution (so you don't portray such in the real world): pictures and videos are never used to portray scientific principles. Laws, theorems, principles and the combination of one or more of the mentioned are used to portray phenomenons. Pictures/videos are used as permissible supplemental reference (in other words, after the fact(s)).

It must also pass a minimum of three tests to be made a surety. This way, there can never be argument because science respects no one (not even you).

Where did I say water-soluble? Where? Not one sentence did I imply water-soluble nor mentions such cobbler. Then again, I understand how you ended there. I don't owe you anything. The burden is up to you to prove me wrong; that will require having an understanding of what I am talking about. You have only succeeded in accusing me of what I did not say. Consequentially, it has come to your knowledge that the word in question was erroneously comprehended as oppose to rectification; yet you fail to re-align. A simple dictionary would have prevented all this mess and the case would have been closed. A dictionary!

You can be high-mind; for all I care. You did so with Siena and the subscriber (MD_Autotec) with his 17 years of direct experience. A person with a biology background will not make the statements you made nor ask the questions; how much more sciences - all across. You were presented with facts but you never gave in return. You never discredit people when you lack the fundamental references to base a counter.

You either take what I have stated with a grain of salt and mind your business or you educate yourself and speak intellectually on the subject. That is how civilised people communicate. Give your counter-facts. Do you think the other subscribers to this thread are stupid? Do you think they can't comprehend scientific terms? They can sift cobblers from common-sense.

Nobody owes you information - that's the problem with the google-generation. That's your duty. You are demanding regurgitated information. My post was deliberately unprocessed. There are only two classes of people; those that understand and those that don't.


To make things easier for you:

http://www.astm.org/Standards/rubber-standards.html

Do the rest of the work yourself. The answer is there but will require effort on your part. If you want to question any of the integrity [presented], that is the international standard. Nobody will listen to you. Acquire some understanding!

If I am to respond to you tit-for-tat for one of your remarks, you will not like what I will say. This will be irrespective of what your response will be. You are pushing this beyond the cordial phase and there are limits. I understand people come from different backgrounds with different challenges and I respect everyone; indiscriminately. Stifle yourself! You may not be lucky with another person.

Sadly, I've learnt nothing from you; neither has the thread gotten anything of substance from you.

I can't speak for the Honda but the Avensis. The Avensis marketed for Nigeria is the best for Nigerian roads. That is if you bought it from the Nigerian Toyota franchise. It is not the same as the European version. I doubt if Lexus are built for the tropical regions. However, you get the same clone (carbon-copy) but with a Toyota badge.

Mojibola:
I am very impressed wth your comments. I also possess a degree in Mechanical Engineering, with very much interest in Automechanics. You did mention of an Engineer who offers training services in your previous post. I will appreciate if i can be mailed his phone number or email address. I am up for such training. Thank you very much. God bless.
here's my mail: jiblo_festus@live.com

Mojibola,

I would love to have assisted you but I haven't spoken to the fellow in more than a decade. He is not offering apprenticeship to anyone and I do not know for how long. I do believe there are others on NL that can assist you towards your goal. A little network and you'll come across them. It will help greatly if you have a defined objective and the market you want to reach.

Somorin#1:


You don't pit crew for me so you don't know what compound I use.

I'm still waiting for you to back up your comments that certain tires disintegrate/melt in water.

Ask your pit crew members the tyre you are using. The correct answer should be given.

It is very clear what is up. How are tyres made? This is a case of background; a lot is missing because you don't have an scientific and engineering background. That is why you are stumbling. Your background as stated in the cyclic-fatigue discussion is I.T. I can only explain so far. This is straight-up mechanical engineering and materials. I haven't started with the macro-molecular aspect; which you will not understand since you are having trouble with the jargons. Before you conclude about the source of all these, I am a mechanical engineer.

College: I was in the collegiate design-team for the design and development of the formula competition race-car that would compete at the Michigan international speedway. This is done under the department of mechanical engineering in many accredited universities across the United States and Canada. The whole chassis (including suspension) has to be designed, simulated and built by students. There are lots of calculations, lots of scientific principles to follow, regulations to comply with and petitions to sponsors (because it is very expensive). We can't view competition from the same perspective. I look at the motor vehicle different from you. Currently, I am working on my thesis on chassis-design systems and analysis.

I will greatly appreciate that you provide facts for facts and disprove with fact. If you understand the core-principles, then explain it. In response, I will be more than happy to learn.



-- Terminologies will always be a stumbling block for those that translate technical concepts literally.

Somorin#1:


I agree that it is chemically possibly but I still want OP to show an existing tire that is made with water soluble materials.

Who mentioned water-soluble tyres? Where do you come up with all these phenomenons. I doubt you know the derivatives. It is very clear where all the misunderstanding is coming from. Tell me how a tyre is constructed? What gives it the strengths of material?

All slicks designed for dry tarmac will disintegrate in water and release harmful substance that is toxic to man. That is the trade-off. I will answer you when you have come to terms with how rubber is put together and rubber specs for tyre production. You are not racing with race-compounds. If you are doing so (which is structurally-impossible from your claims), then you are cheating. Slicks are sort-of controlled and they don't cost a few hundreds in price. You can only use them for a few runs and have to be replaced. It is also illegal to use on U.S. street roads.

Nobody in their right mind would run dry race-compound spec tyres on a rainy day.

yosmen: if there is anything like water soluble rubber then tyre can disintegrate in water. I stand correct ed

It is not water-soluble as you describe. That approach is nothing to what is discussed. The tyre loses its bond of cohesion and the integrity is compromised; then it could shred or come apart. Disintegration is another scientific terminology which means loss in/of cohesion. Cohesion is another subject matter that will make this reply so complex. It is now obvious that I am speaking from an scientific and engineering approach; not layman's. Where tyres are dissolving is inapplicable to the discussion/thread (what-so-ever). Plus, I never used such word (if you look up the post). Macro-molecular chemistry is the discipline responsible for the creation and manufacturing of the tyres for the aerospace/ground vehicles. These rubber structures are used as well in the creation of your shoe soles. There is a slight manipulation for shoe-sole applications.

This tyres in question are called slicks; slicks because they are sticky (mechanical gearing + molecular adhesion). As you already understand, latex (natural-rubber - not rubber) is gotten from trees. This is the very base material. In this state, it is not useful for the objective in question. The chemist then manipulates its properties. I'll stop here because I have asked a question. Nevertheless, if you are interested, I will briefly explain the macro-molecular chemical construction of the tyre and its mechanical properties. -- and yes, tyres perform under mechanical loadings. The tyre (rubber) can also be plotted under a stress/strain graph to interpret conditions.

Gabrinoz: Pls I need info on ML320 fuel comsumption and durability

If you are still in the market for one, look into the 450/500 specifications. The bluetec is another tempting alternative. If fuel consumption is a big concern, a Mercedes ML is probably unsuited for that criterion. If the contrary is the case, the difference in liter/cent-KM is not much between the gas engines.

mabeni: A week and some days ago, i serviced my nissan micra using Golden Super oil which i wasn't using before... I was using A-z since i bought it and i didnt bother to gage it using d dipstick thinking that i have enough oil in my engine but it was a grt shock for when i check it today and dint find a drop of oil in d engine and checked evrywhere may be there's a leakage but i dint find any. I mmediately contact my machanic about it but all he could was that '' it's because change the oil frm a-z to golden super''. So my question is that, is the machanic right or wrong?

Do you have a "check" light?

The mechanic probably omitted something/somewhere. I had an encounter where I was charged for 5 quarts of oil instead of 8. The service engineer told me the car took 5 instead of 8 and charged me for 5 quartz. It puzzled me. Months later, I was low on oil and had to add a quart to it.

If you have a "check", the case is something else.

nony30: ‎​◦⌣kk⌣◦ tank ‎u Sir,I ®ε̲αƪƪƔ appreciate ur kindness.cheers

You are welcome.

nony30: Ɣε̲̣̣̣̥§ Į̸̸̨ƭ ®ε̲αƪƪƔ shows that ‎u r a pleasant fellow τ̲̅ȍ associate with,but some times stuff happens and we just lose Į̸̸̨ƭ.Does this mean we r now cool?
And pls where can one get a BMW X6 V8 engine τ̲̅ȍ replace a damaged one?

I did not have rancour with anyone. I never had a problem with you. When I started this post, I was of a calm state.

I don't know where to get engines from. As long as it's not blown; I'll recommend the engine gets fixed. Nevertheless, if you opt to buy another, I really can't help you on that.

sultaan: I can't handle a Ford Mustang GT at its limit, and I have had a couple of close calls in my 240hp, 228ft/lb Ford Fusion not because it is bad but i underestimated what is can do at over 3000rpm. So if I get into a Corvette and try to make a turn at 4000rpm, you should know I'm begging for trouble.

For every driver is a car, but there is not a car for every driver. Trac this is what you have to accept you may not like is but your opinion of what a car should be/do is not the same as others if they sell 10x Corvette than Ferrari at 1/3 the price.

If you believe you can design a better car, there is a job waiting for you at Toyota because the only thing they have out there is a Scion with Subaru engine in it.

I thought deeply about this and was displeased. The topic of the post was a choice comparison between a Ferrari and a Corvette. The right answer is a Ferrari as a vehicle of choice. My conclusions were not extreme but good judgement to fore-warn anyone about a Corvette. I find it wrong to advice a person on a car that for many years was rated as the highest fatality car by the IIHS per 10,000 registered. The practicality is overwhelming. Many rollovers and undesired behaviors and fatalities. What is common with all the drivers alive, dead and 'Vette-ophiles? They'll all (past/present) tell that the Corvette is an excellent car. The first thing a Corvette owner would when the capability to own a Lambo would do is rid the Corvette. People purchase it because it is cheap. They don't mind accepting its clumsiness (both in build and performance). A-third of the price of a super car with GM making a profit over the-third of a price speaks reasonable volumes. How else would you make a car for a-third the price and make profit doing so while increasing shareholders value? A car with the suspension of a carriage (horse/ox) and dampers; with an excess of 650hp+ to relate with. This is as putting lipstick on a pig and passing the blame when expectations don't meet up.

Vehicle composure issues at 3,000rpm says a lot. The reference should not be [that] you are asking for trouble under the 'Vette's 4,000 rpm range but to question why the sudden outcome on your Ford Fusion with 240hp+. -- matter of fact, you are seriously asking for trouble when you take the keys and approach a 'Vette (if that's your testimony). You should be worried about taking off at a stand-still and accelerating at any given velocity than making a turn. You will do yourself a lot of good by learning and appreciating the purpose of the independent suspension layout than defending this primitive setup that the Egyptians used in the construction of their pyramids and civilisation; the same layout used as farm cart.

A wise man sees trouble and avoids it. You don't experience situations to learn an experience. You flee from it. Likewise, no one deserves to be counseled to buy a Corvette when its capabilities for misbehaving is unpredictable. Nobdody wants to pay a rude price with his/her life for something this senseless. The coffee-&-cars incident (video #4 & 5; posted in this thread) is just enough as close as it can get. If any vehicle can go wrong on such grade of coarse-tarmac at a rolling 10mph, there is much to dislike about such a vehicle. People were at the curb. There is no 100% assurance that you can accelerate linearly at any rolling acceleration. News reports, IIHS statistics and live-encounters should be enough to deter anyone from such a pile of junk.

Favouring a car over price at the expense of basic objectives is unjust. Counselling or passing advice on that notion is wicked. There is no contest to the topic. The Corvette is a bad car and that's it. If the original poster has the money, the Ferrari should be the option of choice. I don't care about personal experiences neither do I care how great the car is. No right-minded family man that has duties and obligation to tend for a family and love-ones would buy such and bank his life upon it that will be well. A lot of people should spend time making a better milestone of humanity; not dumping money on how the Corvette will go faster and proving to the world how fast they can careen through on open roads where commuters share. Some exclusive high performance manufacturers will not sell some models to individuals; even if the money is upfront. Some will only release the keys to you but not the vehicle after millions of dollars are spent. The Corvette is sold as a road-going car and it's road legal; yet it is questionable under the rain: unpredictable under dry tarmac. If you want to buy a Corvette; buy one. Don't advice another about how lovely it is and blame all other drivers for how incompetent they were.

That heap of a waste is best suited in a controlled environment.


This is my conclusion and would make no further comments. Anyone with a brain that functions well will be true to himself instead of deceiving that: this is a poorly built car: not be enticed by the car's bait of cheap price.



N.B. Wrong! Toyota has made supercars with great potentials. It is called LFA under the Lexus title. Another is the 88C. They also have the MR2 or something like that.

nony30: @ Trac hello;Dbeen looking forward τ̲̅ȍ hearing from you,how r ‎u doing?I must commend ‎u for ur enviable knowledge of autos,but like Youngboss had constantly stressed....we sheath d swords yesterday.Ikenna351 is actually a great guy just like u,so I beg we draw knowledge from each other now and stop d .I guess I have a lot τ̲̅ȍ learn about cars other than trying τ̲̅ȍ push d engines real hardTanks great guy!

I am not one to perpetually maintain discord. I am far easier-going than many would think of me.

Fair enough!

ken43: @ Trac good job!!! I for one appreciate the length you have gone τ̲̅ȍ point out inconsistencies in Ikennas so called expertise in car repair and knowledge about automobiles.A lot of loud mechanics out there force people τ̲̅ȍ believe what they say τ̲̅ȍ be true by bullying just as Ikenna does on this forum.I have refused τ̲̅ȍ go with his flow even as I am •̸№t advanced in vehicle technology,I still know a quack from an expert.Thank you Trac for ur wonderful contribution and I stand behind ‎u all d way τ̲̅ȍ learn all I can.
@ Platinumriky,let's follow Trac. He's the real Boss

Till may 10 when I get back from Ikennas imposed ban,I'm still Nony30

It wasn't easy when I was structuring a comprehension because my feelings were mixed. I dedicated hours and the entirety was not pasted. As days progressed, I begun trimming because my emotions changed. It was the first time ever on Nairaland that I took time to read some of his posts. I always omitted them from the first time he replied a post of mine and failed to defend my queries against his claims. The coolant post was the rude-awakening. Unknown to me, there were many others far depressing than I thought. What is sad is no one corrected but fed his contributions. The worst are the safety contributions. I feel sorry for those that fed on such garbage-rhetoric. I hope instinct prevails over the learnt-garbage and no one throttles when vehicle is provoked but to do the right thing to prevent such provocations in the first place or apply brakes conservatively in a panic situation.

Ikenna351: @ Trac,

I maynot be perfect (which is normal), but do you have to be stalking me by pulling out all my posts here since I joined Nairaland? So, you are that serious to really go that far? Hope you know what it means when a man is stalking a lady? But when a man is stalking a fellow man, ha! Please, what you are doing is disgusting. I dont know your true intention of creating this thread. But for the record, please, i find only females attractive o! Just saying.


@ nony30,

I really dont understand your issue with me. We had a fight in Peugeot thread over an issue. Were those your posts hidden or were you banned? You expressed a different opinion about older Peugeots and expressed mine over yours. What you said there was uncalled for in that section. Since the Peugeot thread was created, we have been discussing mainly 307, 406, 407 & 607, uptill the 15th page. Someone now posted a query about an issue with his 504 and we started to discuss 504 and trying to suggest how the member could solve the issue. You just said older Lions like 504 shouldnt be discussed in that thread. How fair does that sound? Put yourself in that man's shoes? By trying to tell him he didnt belong in that thread, when the topic reads "Peugeot Thread", without discriminating any particular model? Yes, i reacted to that your posts. But lets no be pushing blames here. If i did actually overeacted with my comments to you on that post, am sorry, I appologise. We are both Peugeot lovers and both stay in Abuja. Lets move on. But please, let those that use older Lions be free to join us. Such comments of yours would scare them away. By the way, i would advice your use multiple username names. Its a bannable offence. You will be the only and last person i would give this notice. Next time, no one will get any warning from me before a forum rule is implemented. No be me cause am.



To everyone,

Some of you have said that i am just a quack who know nothing about cars. Fine, i have decided long before now to stop commenting or minimize my comments/ to queries in Car Talk, even in the Peugeot Thread where i like most. After all, the section is in a better hands of people who knows cars better than i do. If one is observant, you would find that you hardly see my post in this section anymore. Like i said, you guys are in better hands after all.

Ikenna.

You have managed to make a homosexual humour out of this. No straight man goes around wondering about another man's sexuality; how much more induce like-references. You might think I am finding the whole thing funny but I am not. I don't play and I don't take unfunny matters serious. Find your kind and spill that filth to their enticement. Don't pass that mess by me again.

Be careful with your choices of words and the application. Stalking is a serious word and inapplicable to the context applied. Making yourself a victim is not an approach in correcting the mess. For every action, there will always be an opposite reaction. You had one week of peace for the ban duration. I am still wondering how on earth you thought it would be okay when the restriction is completed.

You haven't learnt; still passing a blame about stalking or failure to implement rules. You should blame those that kept feeding your ego and perception instead of correcting you (especially on the 'fables'). Then again; you were too much of a "fortress" to have been spoken to. These (the above reflection) is the 5 pages sifted of 43. It wasn't hard to constructively sketch a profile that would be so monumental of a colossus to disprove as subjective. I did not log in an Ikenna for 3 years to feed the net and increase its garbage content at the expense of others. I am not the one responsible. Before you ever signed up for NL, I had made over 900 posts. The people you incessantly bashed as incompetent (in my honest opinion) are better than you. I am referring to Nigerian mechanics. At least they are trying to be productive for a daily bread and it is impossible to have a 100% failure rate in repairs. The difference between you and the professional mechanic is that you invested so much time on google and ended up with conclusions that I extracted as specimen.

Truth is: you have grieved many. You've gone through lengths to suppress posts and clean-up your faux-pax. Placing a ban restriction for freedom of speech is not an easy thing to get over. How do you think people would respond afterwards? You are psychologically remolding the subscriber. Furthermore, subscribers are of different backgrounds, works of life, ambitions and independent choices.

Portraying a "niche" of a brand at the expense of others is unacceptable. For example - the RWD layouts and European brand niche conversations are not helpful but bashful. Like threads as well. It is a preferential choice for anyone to purchase what they want and feel good about it. Japanese, Italian - what-so-ever; no one should feel inferior by virtue of what the possess. It is horribly wrong to lead astray people, especially when safety is concerned. So far, you have promoted recklessness and disregard to road commuters to prove you are passionate about cars. A few years ago, a BMW thread came into the lime-light negatively when 5 teenagers died in an M5. This got worse because John Travolta lived in close proximity (at the isolated location). The M5 went airborne (500 feet in the air) and split in two on a tree. Every subscriber that made a post on that thread were stifled and the moderator did a good job in response to the bad publicity. The thread's emancipation was the member was warned in regards to the M5 relative to high speed and some had shown blunt disapproval. This member was dead the following day. One of the parents of the other deceased is sued the parents of the deceased driver.

Discussing understeer/oversteer provocations is unsuitable and inappropriate. Why must one provoke a vehicle to such an extent to experience such? Worse, when you don't understand how it occurs and how to "catch" it before it occurs. It is imperative everyone drives well below their vehicle's capacity. This gives the ample margin of error when an emergency maneuver suits a panic situation. Discussing safe driving is appropriate. I personally doubt you have been in such a situation; for it wouldn't have been something you'd pride yourself in. On public roads with other commuters is not an experience to encounter. High performance cars and race-bred hybrids should not be randomly promoted. These are not cars for the masses but experienced and expert drivers. Many have died in such cars or have experienced crashes that led them to reconsider their choices life gave a second choice. Above all; never tell anyone to apply the throttle upon understeering. Never do that! It is pure wickedness to state so. Another notch of wickedness when you don't have the qualifications to state so or the understanding to convey why it is so.

Everyone has the rights to say whatever is on their mind; provided it meets the forums objectives. Nobody deserves to be banned because there is disagreement between you and a subscriber. Nobody deserves to be insulted. People deserve to be respected and encouraged. Men are not women or children; you never belittle a man. If all a man can afford is a brand new Camry and has a mechanic that he contracts the services to when it comes to maintenance, he deserves his indiscriminatory respect. No cooning anywhere.

yungboss:
i saw an e63 amg in Benin city recently...i see alot of G55 amgs and Ml63 amgs in port harcourt...truth is, these cars in the hands of practical and responsible owners would do very well...like ricky said, these cars are in Abuja...saw a thread sometime ago by Darknight Motorsports with videos of these M cars, amgs and lambos in Abuja. Nigeria is growing and inroads are being made in many facets that weren't dared previously. Some People do not really care much about their cars...they really want to know less of what the full sermon of maintenance entails...to them a car ought to be a "get up and go"machine while others maintain their cars like their wives...

I will start by stating that AMG productions are very low. 18 technicians work at AMG to build all the engines (including spare engines) in AMG specified productions. These productions adapted include Mercedes Benz, Chrysler, Zonda, Brabus, independent tuners and factory race teams. Under Mercedes alone, there is an AMG for every model. 18 technicians hand-building the engines and transmissions and would still execute quality-control on all engines and transmissions. These same engines are taken many steps further beyond robotic compositions in its manufacturing construction; yet - there is a lot to go around for 7 billion people on Mercedes alone. Something is wrong with the facts you are presenting.

Many of the cars tagged AMG's are not AMG's. People go to great lengths to make an AMG out of a standard Mercedes. The production numbers are very low and there are years no production is available. These are rare cars. Some opt for the trinkets; a trinket does not make an AMG. How a heavy concentration of AMG's are located in Abuja will require further explanation. Knowing fully well that many are safety cars on international motorsport tracks, local tracks, training vehicles in motorsport schools, dedicated competition cars and the rest to go around the world. Production value per year is over 2,000 (and that's the higher scale) and lows of 900's and production may be for 2 or 3 years

Secondly, Mercedes ownership is not as rosy as you have stated. People don't buy those cars to own. They are leased and turned-in when over. These cars are complex and they have complex problems. They don't have good second-hand values and more often than not, spend a lot of time at the dealerships for problems that elude solutions (mostly intermittent problems). In rare cases, engineers have to be flown from Germany to fix diagnose and fix a problem. In rare situations, the Mercedes is replaced. Besides these, there are lawsuits pending against Mercedes by individual owners. Anybody can buy a car; every one cannot maintain what they've bought. Used Benzes are cheap to purchase and nobody wants them. It's hard to sell. There was an S550 I saw for $33,000. I am not sure if it was the presidential edition or not but there is no explanation for any model to be that low or the high depreciation fall. Nigerians would buy cars; when a major problem occurs, the vehicle is parked or the engine replaced. Why wouldn't most Nigerians buy cars used on Nigerian soil?

The G Class reference stated is not practical. These are low production models. Mercedes has tried to kill the lineup because profit from that production is low. An ultimatum has been set already. How many AMG's are there? Far lower than the typical E-Class. I am not stating that no AMG's in the G platforms are found in Nigeria; I'm stating that they can't be many.

AMG's are not cars you buy from a dealership. These are cars you buy brand new or you buy from an individual over lunch in an extended talk. They are difficult to rid because people don't wants them.

Somorin#1:


I use race compounds and I do indeed perform burn outs with them.

Have you ever been to a drag track? Have you ever driven an 8 second car down the track?

Drag cars do not have laps but runs.

In SCCA, my race tires are replaced in seasons not 20 laps.

Dude, get off of YouTube/Web and get involved in track on a personal level so that you can converse intelligently.

You did say tires disintegrate in water. "Some disintegrate in water."

Somorin,

Where did I mention drag race? Where did that come from? Sir, I used Youtube links to convey a point once. This saved me from going into extreme points to make an explanation. I don't waste time learning about cars off Youtube neither do I read opinions or journalistic write-ups. Humbly, my level of understanding concerning the motor vehicle is very high and it is analytical. I carry out my independent research; even though I'm in the oil sector and it is quite expensive. The computational solvers that I use give no room for misunderstanding and are aerospece/automotive grade. The company I work for has an automotive sector as well. We are on NL and I don't have to portray an advance knowledge of the motor vehicle. At this point, you have a duty to prove me wrong. If you are right, I will have to accept. If not, let it be.

I will not counter the racing point you made neither will I tell my experience with racing design. Many years of my life has been dedicated to automotive science and I am still in this engineering research beyond college level (professional level). This is not stitching parts and replacing components to make figures. I am referring to engineering. Nothing is learnt off the internet. There is a lot of math and simulations. I don't waste my time on the track trying to make a 6 figure run. There is nothing productive there but money wasted. Make arguments using aerodynamics, tyre dynamics, road gradients and strength of materials and so on; you will either be wrong or right. Don't insult anyone's intelligence; you don't know where people are coming from.

The fact still stands; you are not using race compounds. The burden is on you to prove that you are using one. Race compounds designed for dry land use with disintegrate in water. This is not rocket science and widely known. Prove me wrong on this. There is absolutely no way on earth race compounds will be used for a season. It's impossible. It's impossible to park a vehicle using race compounds for a few hours without cupping. Do some homework. You might as well start by learning how these tyres are made. I'll make it simpler for you - it's macromolecular chemistry. I've done a good job explaining myself. Ansys CAE is a good solver to use for engineering analysis (if you decide that far). I believe there is tyre simulation within its documentation.

Siena: Interesting observations from Trac.

I think it would be good if responses are not hidden. What may be classed as "derailment" is subjective. Some of these posts are useful to others, and hiding them leaves too many "holes" in any thread. When there are more hidden posts than visible ones, the essence of the thread is lost.

Posts here are made up of fact and opinion, and neither should be sanctioned.

We learn new things on a daily basis, suppressing the natural freedom of expression of individuals is not good. As long as posts are not abusive, in my opinion, they should be left alone. People aren't daft, and will invariably sift through, and digest posts that are relative to why they chose to open the thread in the first instance. There are posts I don't find useful, I simply go around these. No doubt others will glean something useful from them, we live in a diverse world.

From my understanding, a ban-candidate would be one that has been on many threads while consistently constituting a nuisance. He/She would be of negative "affect" [effect] to a bunch of subscribers; not just one - while simultaneously being socially offensive.

platinumricky: Trac, with all due respect, where did u get that derogatory definition of a 'petrol-head'?
According to the cambridge dictionary; petrolhead
noun [C] /ˈpet.rəlˌhed/ UK
informal
Definition
› someone who likes and
uses their car a lot, and
does not want to use any
other type of transport.

Plat, I used the American English Dictionary. This is a choice over other dictionaries because it also defines technical terminologies that "doubles" with standard words. It is a deeper dictionary with a wider range of words. The word originated from Australia.

yungboss: well Trac,
you have said alot here, i do not support the idea of people's comments dissapearing. It's frustrating to a large extent...
But i have a contrary view on your statement about people's choice of the M3 or the AMG. I do not think there's anything wrong to want an AMG or an M3, in south Africa, they have M3s there...this being Nigeria doesn't make a difference. I personally want an M3 and an AMG...it's nothing bad or sad...the M3s are not strictly track cars, they can be used as daily drivers, the e36 four door version (my choice). Parts may be unavailable, but the fact is choosing to buy an M3 means awareness by the buyer that the parts would need to be sourced/imported. And it shouldn't be an "only" car...there are a few BMW dealerships around...My mechanic here in Port Harcourt owned an E30 M3 for years until he sold it.

South Africa is NOT Nigeria. South Africa has motorsports integrated in its culture; coupled with race events. Nigeria does not. The fuel needed to power them is sold there; not in Nigeria.

Most people will not be able to maintain such in the Nigerian setup. High performance cars require high performance maintenance. This is not the case where one will depend on google for the sustenance of the vehicle. It is not a task for an average mechanic.

True, high performance cars survive in Nigeria. My dad's first Benz was a factory-tuned model. It was well maintained till it was sold. A few houses down my parents home is (or was) an AMG E Class in very poor condition. What puzzled me was what the car was doing on Nigerian soil. I have also seen a track safety vehicle on Nigerian soil (not to far from the location). The point is most can't maintain one. The repairs aren't cheap and can run into several thousands of dollars for a singular repair. Many don't believe in such repair cost. I have a Nigerian friend that traded his A4 when his repair bill exceeded $1300. Most Nigerians reason this way.

Promoting the ownership of this wild vehicles as opposed to standard models as a norm on NL is wrong. Besides maintenance, safety concern. For instance, the M3 has no buffer. You exceed your envelope and "you are completely out of control." This goes for all M's. It is not a standard car. This should not be promoted as "the way." Rather, topics and discussions like "how to purchase good vehicles for the money" or "recognising a lemon from the other" should be promoted. I personally don't believe Nigerian roads are designed for excessive speed. That's another topic entirely. It is stupid to ply on a road at triple digit speeds without giving thoughts to the road integrity. There is a reason why the speed limit varies from region to region.

LeJeun3: @Trac. Did actually just start a thread to attack one person

Not inspiring.......guess you guys are off a like mind.

It was a means to convey a grievance. The examples listed was grand to portray a thread-thesis. Polish your guess - I am not of like-mind as you claim :-)

I took the matter very personal. It is virtually impossible for the administrator to carry out what he did and expect peace (like nothing happened) afterwards. People aren't dogs. We aren't kids either. Many of us are men; not teenagers. Some are husband to one wife and father to children. Regardless of age bracket, no one deserves to be insulted or silenced, especially when the fate of a post depends on the moderators mood. Then two individuals banned because the thread was queried. There are almost 60 suppressed posts within the "associated" thread. Why? To prove he is resistant to reprove.

sultaan:

Basically what I understand here is the driver has to be able to handle a 430+hp 0-60 in 4.1 secs RWD when compared to a 200-300hp BMW FWD different individuals have their preference which is why some like the Viper.

It is a fact that most who have the money for a Corvette don't not have the skills to handle it so don't blame the car.

If a car has to be compared to a BMW is should be the Cadillac and the Cadillac has beaten the BMW in several tests so this is all by individual preference if you see cars you like take a test drive, look at your wallet and make your pick

You are correct! An individual that can tame a vehicle and gives in return identical time trials is considered as "consistent." Improving and taming a vehicle is not easier said than achieved.

The Viper is another character of an animal. The Corvette is mild-mannered in comparison.

Somorin#1:


Where are you getting all this from? Man, you really need to go to a driving/racing class in Irving to get behind some fast cars.

A Corvette is a very civilized well handling and safe car.

A car is a tool like a knife. You can use it to peel an orange or use it to cut your jugular vein. You can easily kill yourself in a Trabant if you take it to the edge of it's envelope and abuse it.

If you're an Autoist like me, you're really doing all of us a disfavor by promoting this untruths.

Get behind a modern Corvette and then report back. I wish to read of your own personal experiences and not rehash from YouTube and the web.

Please.

I'm not a slouch to chassis, suspension configurations and how they work. There are calculations and vectors to buttress my conclusions but I suppressed it for the purpose of this thread. I'm not a race-enthusiast or autoist (as you say); neither am I passionate about cars. This is not to say I don't understand the principles of going fast. My approach to the motor vehicle is different from yours. I was completely aware when I typed all I have accomplished in this thread.

If your claim is the modern Corvette is not what I have stated, I will take your word for it. If it's still based on the solid (leaf) spring suspension, I'm afraid to tell you that it's still a very difficult car to drive and a poor handling car for most users. The potentials will never change. There is very little that can be done with a suspension setup that is 1930's. The recent figures I am aware of relative to the Corvette is around the 650hp figure. I believe it is more now. A vehicle that gives over 1g-g will definitely handle well far below its limit. It is a different thing driving at its limit.

If you drove the Corvette at its limit and tamed it, then you have my respect as an advanced driver. The videos were just a mirror to what the real-deal is. To be factual, that is how the Corvette is.


It is best an interested user is shown the both sides of this vehicle. It is not a standard car but an extreme high performance car in a very raw state. It's not a vehicle for everyone. Sure, they are fun to drive but they are based on primitive technology; hence its price. That's what the market wants.

Somorin#1:


Okay, show me an example of a tire that "disintegrated" in water.

Thanks.

PS: None of the pictures you presented showed anything other than aggressive wear.

Before a run on the drag racing track, I "burn out" on water and my race spec tires have never "disintegrated".

"Melt" in that frame of context is correct. In like manner, fluid is assumed as liquid. Quite contrary is the case; fluid is also gas (including the air you breathe). This is not to say the layman's assumption is wrong; he is correct but to a defined degree.

You are absolutely right about your conclusion as wear. It's the same thing we are referring to. Different words for the same thing. If you look at my original reply, the word in reference was an epithet. Nevertheless, the word did not originate from me, it is a scientific terminology that is used contextually. This is because of the filler used in the rubber. The fillers are silica or black-carbon. with integrated additives such as starch, alumina and non-clay.

I don't have pictures of racing compounds disintegrating in water. That's a hazardous scenerio. It is dangerous to humans when race compound tyres suited for dry tarmac is use in wet application. You do not have racing compounds fitted. The highest you have will be competition tyres and it serves a dual purpose. You cannot burnout on race compounds. They are slowly warmed up over several laps to operating temperature(s). You cannot get 20 miles of operation after warm up because it will need to be replaced. It is unsuitable for road-use.

This is exactly what you get from a person that thinks he knows it all and when reproved, you get insulted and ultimately banned.


What I have come to conclude upon in NL is the disrespect to choices, unpractical advices and wannabe status.
For instance:

* The four cylinders are bad or underpowered
* The V-6 is a better car
* Japanese cars handle poorly
* European cars are better built than Asians
* FrontWD lack handling agility
* RearWD is the way to go. More handling!
-- and so on.

Besides the fact these claims are stupid, this is not a dedicated thread. It's a different issue if it was a 350Z forum. It is not so. There are NL'ders amongst us that drive Asian cars, frontWD and will not compromise for a V-6. Due to several factors. Factors that are (but not limited to) socio-economic, part/resource availability. It is not a poor choice to use a car for a decade without replacing a single part or component. It is also logical that a car which returns good fuel consumption is worth the consideration. It is saddening to come across threads where NL'ders are looking for M3's, AMG's and other track-oriented hybrids for Nigerian soil without examining the overall costs partly because the forum has demonised what is appropriate. Cars are not investments.


Above all, some amongst us (in this forum - CarTalk) are aspiring mechanics, automotive engineers or journalists. It will be best to render support in whatever little way possible. It is also not a good thing to publish Nigerian mechanics as bad while it is conditionally true. I have learnt so much from NL and many isn't true; It is out for the world to read. Incompetent mechanics should not be patronised. Competent mechanics would appreciate referrals. It is a very subtle reward but it goes a long way.

-------------------------THE CLEVER THINGS “CAR-ENTHUSIASTS” SAY

-------------------------------------------or

-------------------------THE CLEVER THINGS PETROL-HEADS SAY

It has never been wrong to critique an individual. A wise person will mould him/herself and discard what’unprofitable.

These were from the first few pages of his profile. I perceive this individual to be the “top-predator” in this senseless chain.


Below are a few excerpt:

https://www.nairaland.com/1198525/euro-american-vs-asian-cars/2#14372372

Ikenna351: @ Ikeyman00,

Honda is another good Japs i forgot to mention. I have driven Accord V6 2001 (Babyboy) & Accord V6 2004

(EOD). Very quick cars, except if one can live with their front swivel/ball joint and auto transmission

issues.

If i were to choose between Honda Accord and Toyota Camry of any model year, I would pick Accord

without a blink. But then, considering how hard i push my car on highway, i wouldnt want to end up with

a car that its wheel ball joint will give up on high speed while jumping potholes on our highways.

The truth is, Japs cars are reliable cars, when carefully handled or used and when well maintained.

When used as daily driver, they hardly give the owners headaches. But once you start pushing them

around anyhow like one can do to a Euro car and get away with it, they will start falling apart very

quickly. They are just everyday car for non petrolheads who are after point A to point B. But may God

help you when the follow come parts starts failing, the mechanics and parts sellers will now be the

people to enjoys your salary or monthly income, since you will have to be replacing those parts every

now and then. You can ask Toyota owners how many times they replace their shock absorbers in a year.

Some dont even bother replacing them anymore.

Ikenna.

Baloney. Honda of Japan must have omitted one integral aspect of the corporation’s structure. That is the “quality control/quality assurance.” From this reference, it is safe to assume Honda does not comply with regulations and/or international standards; it fails to hold well under “questionable” velocity and unsuitable in conflicting terrains.

The paragraph on Japanese cars is oxy-slowpoke. In addition to oxy-slowpoke, you will be pushing your luck explaining this to anyone with the assumption of getting away with it.

It will be helpful to have a complete understanding to the term “petrol-head.”


https://www.nairaland.com/newpost?post=14378348&topic=1198525

Ikenna351:

I wasnt referring to the CV (constant velocity) joint, but what Peugeot calls front wheel swivel.

Generally, its called ball joint, whicle Nigerian mechanics call it bore joint.

The ball joint Honda issue is peculiar to Accord 2001 (Babyboy) & Accord 2004 (EOD). If they could pull

out on a smooth road, what happens then when am on highspeed with one and jump a deep pothole and it

decides to pull out at that time? No be mortuary be dat? I want and need a car that will be strong and

rugged enough to withstand the condition of our highways, no matter how hard i push them on such roads.

Of course, you cant swerve out of all the potholes on highspeed. Some, you will have no option than to

drive on them on such speed. What happens when you jump them depends on the car and probably how good

you are behind the wheels. But if your ball joint pulls out, even James Bond cannot stop the car from

swerving into the bush. What happens after depends on how good your God loves you or still wants you to

live.

Ikenna.

Honda of Japan must be on some manufacturing paradigm shift. According to the quote relative to this response, Honda must have flopped on physical prototyping, probably skipped the hardware tests, negated production inspections and did not bother with performance and reliability evaluation. Yet, their revenue per year is almost 950 trillion; they do more research on engines than many Japanese rivals. It’s been a stand-a-lone corporation for six decades; yet Honda hasn’t figured [quite] how its product would hold-up well in uneven terrain.


https://www.nairaland.com/1198525/euro-american-vs-asian-cars/2#14365597

Ikenna351: Now my own turn.

From what I have gathered here, I think reliability, durability & performance of Euro/American vs Asian

cars depends on the car owner or the driver.

RELIABILITY:
A Euro car owner may see his car as a reliable one, while a japs or Asian car owner sees it as a

nightmare that must be avoided at all cost. A Euro car owner, who may have to order a part from outside

to replace a failed component, may not see it as an issue or termed it unreliable, even if it takes it

days or weeks to put the car back on the road and continue the fun where it stopped, as long as he is

certain that it will take him years or decades to replace that part again. But he may see a Jap car

that visits clown workshop every now and then, for a particular part to be changed over and over again,

for failing every week, a month or every quarter, as unreliable. The same way, a Japs owner would find

it an omen to have a car that stays in a garage a week or more before it get fixed; would prefer a car

that he/she would have to spend a penny to replace a particular constant failing part, even if he/she

has to be resuming work at clowns/mechanics workshop every day to replace one failed part or the other

before ending up at office. So to him or her, as long as he/she is always behind the wheels and the car

is always moving, whether from home to mechanic every day or weekend, he regards it "A reliable car".

For someone like me, I would find a car I don't get to be opening the bonnet to do something once in a

while, as a boring one. I cant live with such a car. Even when nothing is wrong, I would always want to

check to see if I must find something that needed attention. I just love working on my car. So, any car

that refuses to give me a reason to open the hood will definitely seize to me mine soon. Its not for

me.

PERFORMANCE:
There was this 2006 Toyota Corolla, Sports model "S" (American spec) of a cousin I used to drive then

in Abuja. A nice car. Average quickness for its engine and body size. It was supposed to be a sports

version of the Corolla of that model year. Unfortunately, the car lacks 4 wheel disc brake. The rear

brake is drum. Who in his right senses would install a drum brake in a car and call it sports version?

How would I push such a car hard as I do with mine since it lacked a matching brake? Why cant they just

get something right? So I never bothered to push it hard on Abuja expressways, since I wont like to

miss my next birthday.

There was this Lexus of a colleague of mine (not sure of the model year, but it was the '90s model). A

V6 one. Whenever I was the one driving, the car would feel heavy, meaning good for highway. Good

steering wheel feedback. But then, the most boring car I have ever driven! Am not joking. Couldn't tell

if it was because it was auto tranny or just because the car lacked soul. To a point, I was like "no

thank you". I preferred sitting as a passenger than driving some tortoise. A durable car though, since

the odometer was more than 300k miles, still on the original engine and the body still intact, no rust.

Toyota Camry 2003 I4 (Big for Nothing). I have driven the car twice. Not too quick, but ok. Very roomy.

Enough leg room space. Unfortunately, the most uninspiring dashboard I have ever seen.

Have driven a lot of Nissan cars. The most quickest Japs I have ever driven. Even their smaller cars

are quick too. But when it comes to putting stunts on their wheels, they start misbehaving. Typical

japs! But I believe Skyline would be the best of them. I respect Nissan for producing that Beast.

Benz W124 (V-boot). Mehnn! Am not a Benz fan, but the very first day I drove that car, I was so

impressed, even though it was an I4 (facelifted), very sluggish in movement though (thanks to auto

transmission). But the car was awesome. The stability of the car on high speed was something else. The

steering feel? Ahhh! Love the smoothness as it steered the wheel. Even though it was an old school;

even though it wasn't a quick car, but I enjoyed every bit of moment I was behind that wheel. Well

engineered car!

Its obvious that a V6 Benz, Audi, Peugeot or BMW its never the same with a V6 Toyota, Honda or Nissan

of the same model year cars. A japs I4 & V6 usually have the same simple electrics and mechanicals,

except the engines of course. But for the 4 mentioned Euro cars, their V6s or V8s have different more

complex electrics and mechanicals with their I4 counterparts: Different suspensions (electronically

controlled, etc), different Power assisted steering, advanced complex electronics to enhance the

performance, etc.



DURABILITY:
Every car can last as long as the owner wants it. Japs car can last for 40 years and above, with the

original engine. Likewise the Euro or American ride. It all depends on how good the owner is with

maintenance, style of driving and abuse.

Though, an Asian car cannot be driven or pushed as hard as most Euro cars, if the owner wants it to

last that long. Make that mistake and her days will be numbered. They are deigned to be softly handled

or driven

It appears most Nigerians do not know when there vehicles are faulty or not. You hear everyday "this

brand is reliable, this brand drives forever". But then I come out everyday, see people's cars puffing

out all kinds of colors of smoke from their exhaust. As long as its moving and its not stalling or

jerking, the car is fine.




So, there you have mine.

Ikenna

This is a mess! There is a field in engineering called “reliability engineering.” There is another field in engineering called “durability engineering.” The specialists in each of the aforementioned fields are reliability engineers and durability engineers respectively.

Reliability has irreconcilable differences with durability. To use them interchangeably is unacceptable. The references to these engineering approaches do not make sense in any way.

Ikenna351: Now my own turn

PERFORMANCE:
There was this 2006 Toyota Corolla, Sports model "S" (American spec) of a cousin I used to drive then

in Abuja. A nice car. Average quickness for its engine and body size. It was supposed to be a sports

version of the Corolla of that model year. Unfortunately, the car lacks 4 wheel disc brake. The rear

brake is drum. Who in his right senses would install a drum brake in a car and call it sports version?

How would I push such a car hard as I do with mine since it lacked a matching brake? Why cant they just

get something right? So I never bothered to push it hard on Abuja expressways, since I wont like to

miss my next birthday.

There was this Lexus of a colleague of mine (not sure of the model year, but it was the '90s model). A

V6 one. Whenever I was the one driving, the car would feel heavy, meaning good for highway. Good

steering wheel feedback. But then, the most boring car I have ever driven! Am not joking. Couldn't tell

if it was because it was auto tranny or just because the car lacked soul. To a point, I was like "no

thank you". I preferred sitting as a passenger than driving some tortoise. A durable car though, since

the odometer was more than 300k miles, still on the original engine and the body still intact, no rust.

Toyota Camry 2003 I4 (Big for Nothing). I have driven the car twice. Not too quick, but ok. Very roomy.

Enough leg room space. Unfortunately, the most uninspiring dashboard I have ever seen.

Ikenna

Do you know how brakes work? Have you ever designed and logged data to a spreadsheet and create a graphical relationship?

The engineers were in their right senses when the configuration was concluded upon. There are many factors and considerations that led to that setup. It is called “The Toyota Way.” The world has taken that approach now and no company is wasting.

Nobody has complained once about the Corolla being incapable of stopping. The Corolla is comparable to the Mustang.


The notion that a car feels heavy is good for the highway carries no weight. That [indeed] is funny. Funny; besides the fact as untrue, it never happened. Lexus at that time was not heavy and fuel consumption was well lower than alternative near-luxury vehicles of the time. The Lexus models were able to skip the gas guzzler taxes imposed upon the MSRP.

I’ve always questioned your definition of performance; then again, you are the “realist.” A Lexus giving good steering feedback is also another interesting disappointment. Buyers that choose Lexus do not want steering feedback.


https://www.nairaland.com/1200347/fwd-vs-rwd-which-better/2#14396943

Ikenna351:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear-wheel_drive#Rear_wheel_drive_layouts


Ikenna.

How does one conclude upon such write-up as a measure?! The article is stereotypical with out-dated conclusions. In addition to that, it is poorly written, biased in opinion and has no scientific facts to it or engineering references. In my personal opinion, the article is deemed useless as a form of study. It is lengthy with no substance.


https://www.nairaland.com/1200347/fwd-vs-rwd-which-better/2#14430921

Ikenna351:

Thats a big advantage RWD has over FWD car. Its very predictable when you find yourself in an

understeer situation. You can always control the situation and bring it back to the normal position

with throttle, unlike the FWD that will take you right into the bush. Sorry about your D8.

Ikenna.

Untrue! Especially in a production car. In an understeer situation, gently lift-off and mildly apply the brakes to regain control. The above information is not only misinformation but deception. This is a safety issue. Engineering sectors must always uphold international standards and local regulations. Any production car that must be manufactured for road-going use, a safety standard is understeer when a certain percentage of the car’s limit has been exceeded. Instinctively, you slam on the brakes. Cars fitted with electronic stability will cut-back on power and apply brakes to restore vehicle mannerism relative to the conditions in question. According to international standards, all drive layouts must meet a minimum standard suitable for road-use and must be predictable under wide-ranges of panic. All that front-wheel/rear-wheel statement is fantasy and google-rhetoric.


https://www.nairaland.com/1200347/fwd-vs-rwd-which-better/3#14431217

Ikenna351: Oh! I forgot to add. With RWD, you can swing the car tail several times, as

long as you know how to play with your throttle pedal. But with FWD, my hand no dey there o!

Ikenna

I am very much interested on how this feat is accomplished on a standard production road-going car (standard models). The words used are “several times.”


https://www.nairaland.com/1206417/car-coolant#14497101

Ikenna351:

The TOTAL coolant contains Mono-ethylene-glycol which is good and recommended compound for engines or

cooling systems. Google it and find out.

Even if you are not going to use the TOTAL green coolant, make sure whichever brand you choose contains

the Mono-ethylene-glycol.

By the way, on the TOTAL coolant label, it reads "Not compatible with silicate formulation". It also

stated on the label "contains no Nitrate, phosphate or amine". I dont know if that answers your

question.

I dont know about Honda, but i know that Peugeot recommends TOTAL coolant for their cars.

Ikenna.

The subscriber responded to was correct, initially. Another google reference.


https://www.nairaland.com/1206417/car-coolant#14497101

Ikenna351:

I know nothing about others colours of coolant. I only know of the green one which works perfectly in

my car.

Ikenna.

It’s obvious, especially when coolant is not antifreeze and the explanations thereof.


https://www.nairaland.com/1200347/fwd-vs-rwd-which-better/1#14396109

Ikenna351:

What about donut or drifting? Can a FWD car drift as good as RWD cars? Can FWD car even drift at all?

Not all stunts can be done with FWD, you know, especially one of the best stunts: drifting/donut.

Ikenna.

Coming from a “car enthusiast” that is perpetually on the performance edge; pushing the car at limits.


https://www.nairaland.com/1200347/fwd-vs-rwd-which-better/1#14396663

Ikenna351:

There is no fun in that type. I was referring to the type you play with the pedals only. Youngboss,

have you ever in a RWD car, when its stationary, turn the car front to face back the road it was

backing before, without the 2 front tyres moving an inch? The very first day i did it, it was

unintentional. I was in an open field, the engine was running, i wanted to move and turn the car

quickly (to catch some fun). As i was gradually turning the steering wheel, i released the clutch and

floored the throttle pedal. The car tail just pushed outward from the right until i saw myself facing

the other side (opposite direction), without the front tyres moving . I didnt touch the brake pedal,

nothing. The experience was so exciting that i did it over and over again. Since then, i never looked

back. Since then, i started trying out other stunts. That was when i realized the goodies RWD offers,

other than just driving, which i never explored before then.

Ikenna.

Allow me to introduce the realist and the practicing engineer. The performance guru indeed and the stunt driver.

The driver indeed must be using a different standard of specification technology. I am curious to know (and the world as well) how the fore-wheels were fixed in constraint and you encompassed about it. I guess the natural law/principle was busy or took a vacation to accomplish such claims. As stated in the quotes – “Since then, i never looked back. Since then, i started trying out other stunts.” These was the awakening to the rear-wheel setup and performance “stunt.”

This thread is a merged to make one. I will speak in general and criticize one person. The basis of the criticism will be presented.

For any thread to be successful, educational, informational or recreational, it must have a proposition. In many cases, it continues in that momentum. Mostly, due to the quality of content. If the content is flawed, twisted or completely out of line, then an anti-proposition is induced to offset. This principle is not limited to a thread gone err but also a perfectly normal thread. This is so to streamline or refine.

Propositions/anti-propositions is no condition for ban neither is it an act of derailment. It is called "communication." Car-talk’s moderator calls this “derailing the thread.” It is unpractical in a civilized zone/society to act as an authoritarian. Worse, when the authoritarian is one-sided. Isolating the authoritarian characteristic, he is not subject to criticism; which on its own accord gives no room for improvement(s). Rather, you get insults, post-suppression and eventually be banned. This is after the fact that he knows it all and is an authority to speak on anything. It is quite interesting to understand the many “dimensions” of being civil.


I am not making an appeal; neither am I impressed. This is by no means a rant.


https://www.nairaland.com/1206432/funny-things-non-car-enthusiasts-say#14472310

Ikenna351: A non petrolhead or a non car enthusiast would always say some funny, annoying

or embarrassing things about cars, out of ignorance, or sometimes because some are not ready to learn.

Below is a simply way to know them when they speak:


*All German Cars are RWD.

*All V6 engines are problematic.

*All German cars consume excess fuel.

*All Japanese cars dont consume fuel at all(As if they run water in their fuel tank).

*Give a non petrolhead a BMW and he would say "It's just a car".

* A non petrolhead would tell you "Your car is old, why dont you sell it and get something modern or

flashy?" Of course, you could reply him with "Your car is boring, why don't you get rid of it and get

something fun to drive?" Lol!



Add yours.


Ikenna.

I personally took offense to this and was subsequently banned. There are people not apt to the motor vehicle. They are not stupid neither are they lazy. In the quotes, references are made to:

*Annoying things about cars (in reference to speech)
*Funny things (in reference to speech)
*Embarrassing things (in reference to speech)

The above points were stated as by-products of ignorance and unwillingness to learn. This is also regarded as cooning.

Contrary to what many might think, I am not a car-enthusiast. So, I fall under the category of non-car enthusiast.


The miscalculation that recoiled is the thought-less reference to identification/status; petrol-head.

To avoid personal interpretation, the dictionary definition will be used.

Petrol-head – A member of a wider class of people often known as bogans.
Bogan – (slang) something of poor quality
Bogan – (slang, derogatory) A person perceived to be unsophisticated or of a lower class background
Bogan – (slang, derogatory) a petrolhead

With the dictionary definitions, there is nothing “cool” about such a title. The reverse is the case when arrogance is in place and google is your friend, the thread is one-sided and the power to ban oppositions (especially at 4:19AM).

56+ posts have been suppressed and the title is evidence of great lengths to mask the mess that already started.

Subsequently, counter-proportions was suppressed and deemed as derailment.

luyang114114:
Everyone has their own opinion， maybe I should give it a try to see Which is better

I understand this is late. Luckily, I had the response archived. I do not mean to revive the thread but posts keep vapourising. This response has been on my desktop for a few months. The pdf is attached. This was my response that was hidden.

Somorin#1:


I would like you to post how you came up with tires that melt and those that dissolve in water.

@Somorin,

I must apologise for the untimely feedback. Pardon me.

The post has subtle words in it. The word "melt" or "meld" is a terminology (not wear but melt). I believe your understanding of the process is solid-to-liquid (which is thaw) or solid-to-molten state. That might pass as colloquial but conditionally true in science and engineering.

How do you physically move from point A to B with ground vehicle tyres? By adhesion and distortion (elastic distortion)! Of the two attributes mentioned, your question reflects upon adhesion. The adhesion is caused by molecular characteristics and properties engineered into the rubber. This science/engineering is called vulcanisation of rubber or rubber vulcanisation. Meaning, rubber chemically treated to give it the strength of material for its intended objective. The logic is about the same with metals and properties under certain conditions or treatment. An unvulcanised rubber cannot meet the stress requirements the normal tyres you have installed endures.

I believe the gap is sealed. The American English Dictionary will be used to maintain my answer simple (as oppose to chapters).

---------- Melt: lose its distinct outline or shape; blend gradually.
---------- Melt, Disappear, Evaporate: becomes less intense and fades away gradually.

These are the definition of melt/meld with respect to this discussion.

* This explains why tyres smoothen after a couple of laps
* Burn-out; and the smoke thereof
* Skid-marks - you can restrictively term this as a weld
* Normal everyday driving

All these properties are due to the vulcanisation of rubber. The rubber is engineered for resistance as well as adhesion and longevity. In racing, there is a trade-off; in some, extreme trade-offs.

I don't know where you got dissolve from. The verb used was disintegrate; that is (in the implied context), looses its integrity (molecular adhesion) and chemically breaks down. The stickies is class that I am referring to. It is partly why it is not D.O.T. legal. Disintegration is also used interchangeably with melt (where surface-to-surface contact, heat or motion is a variable).

I sifted images from google images as buttress.

Siena, many not understand the depths and the details that go into the final outcome (especially the breeds you work on); but I do (including the philosophy, understanding and call to detail). I was surprised that you were deeply into competition in a previous post. I cannot encourage you but I am impressed.

I have a suggestion: after all the hard work, a signature plaque tattooed somewhere will not be a bad idea. In a place or two that wouldn't be a nuisance and will not be easily removed. The pillar of the rear panel is an example. It's an Audi (Limited) - after 20 years, it will still be on the road. It will be refreshing and rewarding to come across a vehicle that a piece of you reflects. For the advance engine refinement, the block can earn a plaque as well. As you reach different milestones in your career, the plaque changes.

------ Then again: owners may not fancy that.

Either way, this is what I would do.

au.hanson:


Please what are these variables? I was expecting a direction on this. You can't imagine how much i want to change this cooling system back to factory, if i can get it power source. I wouldn't even mind replacing it ,if it was removed.

This is a question Siena will have to answer. I cannot give a complete answer to this. Appeal to him and he will get to you with quality details.

au.hanson:




Hello Trac, don't tell me that you've thrown in the towel just yet, remember this is scientific argument, a lot of people would learn a thing or two from here. This is your profession; i am only practicing an hobby here but must practice it very well, just like i did in; photography; videoing and in systems repairs. We must come to a logical conclusion. Maybe i could be wrong, even Mercedes Benz could be wrong and may have reviewed this in their subsequent models; could be the reason why w203 has just one but effective fan system that fans from outside via the condensing coils to the radiator system; could even be the reason why they have failing compressors. Auto world do recall vehicles from their engineering errors, Mercedes Benz can't be an exception; may have done so too at one time or the other; and should have done so too with their wire hareness, no doubt about these. Don't vouch for them. But let's reason things together scientifically and logically too.

Maybe my own car didn't come with an ac system just like my Benz 190 because i didn't see the fan control module , or it may have been removed, but i'm confidence that i can still replace it that not withstanding.But let's reason these first of all; please do not ignore these and take me through literature again, but let's be practical.

However, the fact remains that when you start the engine, "let it reach normal operating temperature and then turn the A/C on. The cooling fan in the engine compartment should turn on to pull air through the radiator and A/C condenser. On many vehicles, there may be two fans: a main cooling fan(viscous fan) for the radiator, and a second fan(electrical fan(s)) for the condenser. Both fans should come on when the A/C is on".

"If one or both fans failed to come on, the lack of additional cooling provided by the fan may cause poor A/C cooling performance, and it may cause the A/C compressor to overheat and fail. The engine may also run too hot and overheat, too". This is my argument.

But i want to here from you the other variables to consider..and the other issues that you said i may face, though you termed them as irrelevant?

thanks in anticipation for your response

Hanson, I did not ignore you. I don't work on cars for a living. If I'm not mistaken, I believe you once disclosed you did systems-engineering. When you mate ferrous iron and aluminum under applied load and heat, what would you conclude? You don't need to be an engineer to figure this out. You don't know much about the car. This is why you have people dedicated to German cars and Mercedes.

I'll begin tackling from here. The setup you are fooling with has been since the 50's or 60's and it is still in use today. The day before yesterday, I came across a 60's or late 70's S Class (showroom clean) with the air-conditioner running. The owner never complained about cooling. You cannot improve a Mercedes engine; it's an industry fact. Out of the box, you are given the best for its intended purpose. If you have wide-changes as oppose to the factory setup, you need a qualified mechanic to restore it to factory settings. If the vehicle did not come fitted with air-conditioning, there are certain things to be done but you cannot alter the fan/cooling setup. To make reference to what an auto-reviewer concluded is disappointing. The Stuttgart engineers knew what they designed. The engine was over-engineered. This is from a company that spent [at the time] one million Deutsche Marks a day in research alone to partly make the construction of what you have possible. I am referring to 1980's Deutsche Marks. Then some reviewer without any technical background has an opinion on what "someone" should have done.

The fans will not fail unless you are messing with it. Nobody worries about these things. If it is failing, you will know. Where you are wrong is that you are comparing other motors to the Mercedes motor. They are not designed the same way.

For a Merc to be long-lasting, everything must be factory. This is a fact. Any Mercedes enthusiast or authorised service agent will verify this.

You can bank on Siena to help you with the A/C retrofit. I can't give you fragmented information. He has the resource to assist you. For Mercedes specific details, he will pin-point it to you. My experience with a non-factory installed A/C was my dad's last Benz. It was bought from Germany but came with a heater and no A/C. The engineer that bought the car knew of this fact and a lot was changes were done and compensations made. It wasn't just "slapping" a compressor to it. It was a quintessential job - not what you are doing.