₦airaland Forum

PoliteActivist:
What is water? Really, what is it? And why in that particular form? YOU DON'T KNOW! You met it here like that and called it water. !

Then, what's that thing we all collectively refer to as water, and what should it be called?

thesolutions:
you must have published several books.

First, that something has to be reviewed does not mean it has to be increased. It can be reduced based on available reality. Government won't continue to borrow just to pay unproductive sector salaries.

The minimum wage is not binding on the private sector. What tax are you referring to. It is more profitable for the government to invest in productive private sector that not only drives the economy but also generate revenue to the government.

Any attempt to impose minimum wage on private sector will not only crumble the economy, it will be the end of this administration.

Businesses makes profits and pay salaries from profits. They are not government that will borrow money to pay salaries to unproductive civil servants and then turn to oppress the private sector with taxes.

The bolded shows you're not paying attention or care to find out first what they law says concerning minimum wage review in Nigeria.. Where in the world are salaries reviewed to reduce it after 4 years? Do you even know what you're saying? Minimum wage is not only for government workers whom you considered in your ignorance unproductive, but also for those in the private sector.
Go and read what the minimum wage act says and come back here too tell they won't benefit. Use Google.

You can continue to wail , but nothing will stop the increase. It's law.

I cannot continue to argue with someone who is ignorant of what the law says. Good day.

What's the vague statement of civil servant turning to" oppress the private sector"

Wetin you smoke this evening?

Godfullsam:
Some states can't even payment current minimum wage of 30k.

Please stop telling half truth. Yes some states cannot pay the 30k minimum wage, but it doesn't mean they're not paying something very close to it or still paying the old minimum wage.

They can actually pay the 30k but won't pay for fear they won't have enough to steal after.

Corruption and wickedness is why some governors are unwilling to pay correctly not that they can't.

The allocation from the centre to states after few subsidy removal has almost tripled, yet some of these evil governors have refused to listen to the plea of Tinubu to pay wage awards and provide other palliatives before things improve.

They continue to ignore Tinubu while quietly stealing the access money coming to them as if nothing as changed.

Modified. FYI, some states are paying above the minimum wage. Why don't you talk of those ones but to mention states unable to pay?

thesolutions:
What we need is not increasing minimum wage but reducing cost of production and improving farmers output as well as curbing security challenges.
Even if states are able to pay minimum wage of N200,000, it is same as saying inflation can go ahead and destroy the economy.

A work in progress needs no distractions.

Anyways, no one cares about workers in the private sector. No salary increase, no pension, no gratuities, no bonu package. All from hand to mount work.

So you know better than the lawmakers who came up with the law which makes it mandatory that minimum wage in this country is reviewed once every four years.?

And do you also think they never carried out adequate consultation with economic experts to find out the economic implication of what was signed into law?

FYI, minimum wage in Nigeria is not a privilege,but the inalienable right of Nigerian workers to have their salaries reviewed compulsorily once every 4 years so they earn a living wage that's commensurate with what they put in daily in their different places of work.

You're certainly ignorant of the law, the minimum wage act, hence your ill-informed advice that workers salaries shouldn't be increased.


The Tinubu led federal government cannot help put increase salaries of Nigeria workers at this time, and they're not about to do so on their own to please workers as most of you assume. It's what the law mandates them to do they're trying fulfill. So keep your advice to yourself as it cannot supersede the law.

And also, contrary to what you think, the new minimum wage being proposed by labour is also binding on the private sector once it's passed into law. Any company operating in Nigeria that has 50 workers and above in its wage bill must pay minimum wage . That's what the law says. If you work in such a place and you don't receive what you deserve , take them to court,but not without reporting them first to the appropriate authorities for sanction.



Some private employees also receive pension , not from the government, but from pension companies managing pension deductions for them. Ask around and know what's happening around you before coming to Nairaland to offer suggestions and criticism.




You talked of inflation once salaries are increased, but businesses in this country are struggling and are on the verge of shutting down due to high cost of production and poor sales caused by the abnormal reduction in the purchasing power of the populace after fuel subsidy removal and the floating of the naira.

If the situation persists and workers salaries are not increased immediately and quickly enough to match with current realities,the economy might collapse,as they the manufacturers and traders cannot continue to produce as before or do business as they used to with very little sales coming to them for their products and services

The effect will be job losses and reduction in tax revenue to government.

helinues:
And I repeat again, tithes paying is a scam

You haven't succeeded in proving how it's a scam for those paying it.

helinues:
Because it's logical

It's logical doesn't mean true.

You need to provide proof to support your accusations they don't pay their taxes.

You cannot say the civil servants amongst them don't pay. It's deducted from source once salaries are paid.

And these days it's hard for anyone doing business in Nigeria to escape from paying taxes.

Government agents are everywhere making sure people comply. Also, you're denied certain services if it's discovered you don't pay your taxes.

If you're not aware of any of these, then it's either you don't live in Nigeria or one of those who don't pay and because of that assume everyone does the same like you.

helinues:
Why should those who are not paying taxes be expecting anything from the government?

And how do you know they're not paying?

Tell me

helinues:
Anti religious kwa.

Okay, let me tell you what inspired this. When you go online, you see people shouting hardships, expecting government to put food on their table even for the fact that they dont pay tax.

This thread was created on politics section before it was moved here. My point is, if those who are not paying tax are expecting something in return from government, what exactly have they gotten in return for tithing almost every Sunday?

Shouldn't their pastors and Imam come their needs during this hard time, after all the money they could have used to package this period have been donated to them. Or do they still need to wait for God's intervention?

You get the point now

I can't find anywhere in the Christian Bible or the Koran where it's stated that once a church person or Muslim pays their tithes and offerings, all their needs will be taken care of by their religious leaders to the extent they no longer have to bother themselves or complain about what the tax collecting government is expected to do for them ,but don't do.

BTW, how did you get to know that those religious persons who conplain online don't pay their taxes to government ?

And I repeat again, tithes and offerings are religious obligations which shouldn't be equated with payment of taxes to the government . They're not the same.

You need to support your op with something reasonable for it to sell.

helinues:
No

If you don't, why do you think you're in a better position to discuss something you're not part of or don't do in order to convince those currently paying to abandon the practice?

If you don't have a direct experience of what you're advising people against, you're not taking serious or listened to. You don't really know why they're doing it and what they might be benefiting from fulfilling such religious obligation.

I said , it's proven religious practices provide salutary effect on the human mind, but you ignored that.

helinues:
At emboldened is where the scam lies. Why are there so many poor religious people, not trying to shade any group oo but the lord chosen members are mostly living in an abject poverty, same from other sects.

Have those people being abandoned and neglected upon how they have been faithful to tithes donation?

Bring your money to the church so that you can be blessed by God. What a scam line.

What precisely are they doing with the money?

I think you more interested here in discussing your anti religious sentiments than to discuss your own op .

Please be focused and provide valid reasons why churches and mosques should be taxed in Nigeria.

That's the only thing I'm interested in and not why so many poor church goers or whether religion is a scam.

helinues:
Why paying for something you won't benefit from? Have you bother to question those who made it so?

Do you pay tithe to any church or mosque?

helinues:
The people which have been donating all in the name of tithes, what do they get in return?

Tithing is religious obligation for the faithful

They don't expect to get anything tangible in return but blessings from their God whom they believe is pleased with such acts .



And it's proven that participation in religious activities or the fulfilment of religious vows can provide salutary effect on the mind. That may be the "return" who knows?

helinues:
If they are not selling anything why are people paying/tithing?

Tithing is religious obligation and not payment for anything.

helinues:
How are the current Churches and Mosques different from a business center?

You should first of all explain how they're business centres. Finish what you started and don't use "mago mago" to threw it back at me.

Prove they're a business centres that should be taxed. It's your responsibility to do that, not mine.

helinues:
In Nigeria, No.

Why should a business center be exempted from paying taxes?

You're conflating two unrelated things.

A business centre should not be exempted from paying taxes, but Churches and mosques which are set up as charitable organisations receiving donations from members ,and even the government itself, to be used for charitable works shouldn't be taxed .

You need to provide factual reasons why they should and not your bias talk of describing them as "business centres".

What you're advocating for is akin to jungle justice for a group you personally dislike due to your ideological position, and it clearly exposes your anti religion stance.

No responsible government anywhere in the world would ever listen to your kind to start taxing religious organisations.

It's better instead to demand the government set up something in place to monitor church and mosques finances so they're used for the purposes they're meant for and not embezzled by religious leaders within either groups

helinues:
The questioning was to politicians. Why should we be following a law that is obsolete?

Religious groups are now more or less business center

Are you pretending not to know why religious organisation are exempted from paying taxes?

Very good .
Other states in Nigeria should follow suit and end institutionalized corruption


The current president of Nigeria has been benefit from this kind of corrupt arrangement (pension for governors)for years in Lagos,yet the same person wants to fight corruption.

Make we dey watch how

geezville86:
Hmm…you are missing the point here, and quite obviously. I only provided examples, with the point being the unhygienic hand with residue will be used to do one thing or the other

Why you trying to deny your own words?
Your examples were very clear. You talked of using it to eat and shake hands. What's there to miss in that?

geezville86:
Each of the popular options by themselves are somewhat disgusting. Wiping with tissue only would not completely do the job, and using water with your bare hands is actually irritating, no matter what anyone wants to say. If you like scrub those hands with a metal sponge, there will still be some residue which you will now use to shake someone else or use to eat amala and then blame witches from the village after an infection occurs.

Bidets are the way to go, and then wiping with tissue thereafter. The next efficient option would be to sprinkle water on toilet paper and wipe off until you have done justice to the place. Baby wipes could clog the toilet and cause a sewer back up.

Shaking with your left hands and also eating with it? Who does that? Left hand is what's used, not the right one

MrBrownJay1:
hairy nyansh comparable to hairy beard?! BWAAAAH is that man a gorilla or what? the assshole is NOT that hairy, i am sorry, and the little hair you have down there can easily be cleaned with wipes.

I have not compared "hairy beard to "hairy nyash" . You're the one who just did that comparison, and I struggle to see how it makes sense since the area around the butt hole covered with hair is closed tight space unlike the face that's open and wide.

I have also not said I have an hairy down below. You're imagining things
aboutt me which you're not sure of.

BTW how were you able to come to the conclusion that the amount of hair there is not enough to make it difficult for such persons to have it very well cleaned?


I quoted you because I only wanted to draw your attention to the fact that baby wipes won't work for everyone because we are all not "made" the same way. Some people have certain features in their bodies which are not common. Trying to force such persons to do what you prefer and not what's good for them is very wrong

Modern toilets systems now have bidets attached to it to serve the needs of those who want to do it differently because that's how they can get it well cleaned, but you and your likes are already resisting this new innovation for only what works for you.


Baby wipes will work for an hairless down below of an adult because it's smooth skin but for the one that's hairy ,no matter the amount of wipes used some residual of excreta will still get stuck in the strands of hair surrounding that area.. In a situation like that ,running water is the only thing that can completely remove it. You don't need to use your hands. Install a modern toilets facility in your home or if can't afford it , use your left hands and then wash it immediately with soap and water.

Beverlyjean:
Only local people or people that were born in local poor environments use water

You have generalised. Both the poor and the very rich use water. It depends on what they feel is the best for them .

And besides most modern toilets found in the homes of the very rich in high brow neighborhoods are attached with water bidets for cleaning the butt hole after pooing .

I don't think you have seen one or used it before hence your generalisation.

pocohantas:
They never said it is the best for everyone. He only gave a recommendation and he said it is what he uses. If you are as hairy as Samson, you can feel free to wash your butt in the Atlantic Ocean if water inside house no do you.

That said, you can consider waxing to curtail your sporadic anal hairgrowth.

Someone said so, not you.

The hair is there for a reason. It act as insulation for the very hairy person, and so removing it is not medically advisable. Ask a doctor

This is it below. He recommended for everyone. That water is not needed but baby wipes

MrBrownJay1:
i fully disagree, water is not needed if you use baby wipes and it actually does the business quite nice.

BTW if you didnt tell this girl about shiit in her nyansh then you are part of the problem here.

DissTroy:
LOL. These guys have to be actually hairy to know how it feels. I do well with cold since my hair acts as insulation but badly with heat.

I have to use the restroom once I get into any building to wash my face with water, and beard too. Handkerchiefs are just temporary measures. How can they clean sweat of my beard? We have to wash it for else it'd be itchy.

Same for using the loo. Since we are hairy, no matter how frequently we shave, the hair grows back in a few days and in between, we have to wash off with actual water.

Any hairy person who uses tissue paper in the loo is a pig. He definitely has excreta crumbs sticking around where the sun doesn't shine.

They won't understand until they are just as hairy.

Thank you.
Despite the bolded, some people here insist tissue paper and baby wipes is best for everyone.

MrBrownJay1:
in some countries like Brasil, yes i had to put it in a bin next to the loo, as it is very normal to do there, but elsewhere i always flush it down and never had any issue whatsoever. been using wipes for more than 10yrs now, there are wipes in each and every toilets in my house.

Baby wipes can only work for babies and not for adults with lot of hair down there. You are hairless hence the reason you have no problem with it .

Read the below and learn from other people's experience

DissTroy:
For people like us who are hirsute - very hairy, tissue paper never really does the job. We have to wash everything off with water because, for us, hair grows everywhere. EVERYWHERE.

Even face wipes don't do the job of cleaning our faces and sweat since we have a lot of facial hair so water to the rescue, again.

Maybe it might work for people with no body hair.

NOGRUDGES:
All these money just to Sidon for office and gossip, watch dstv, chop bole with fish and do eye service work,

Na to outsource the civil service work to private company's now, because most of these people no get 1 drop of value for their body

I suggest a downward review of minimum wage,

The total of the activities of these some these workers for the month fit run for only one week

Worker for some state dey go work only two days for week, some workers no dey reach their lga office self, na only wen chairman enter town dem the go form work

Reason am, if I lie make dem install cctv for all the 744 lga plus 74 state offices nation wide, the total cost na just under #500,000,000

You say all of these because you're an outsider who don't know exactly what goes on within the civil service in Nigeria, and you're not alone in this kind of talk which is based on half truth.

The truth of the matter is that corrupt Nigerian politicians are the major cause why most civil servants in the country are idle.

Elected government officials in Nigeria both at the state and federal level don't like to follow due process , laid down procedure ,which ensures accountability . Most of them are there to steal for the short period of time they occupy those offices and don't want anyone to challenge or stop them.

And so, instead of allowing civil servants to do the work for which they're employed, they bypass them and give it to outsiders, who will cover for them and muddle things up so that nothing is easily traced after their tenure has expired.

At time in this country, the Ministry of works, especially at that state level were directly responsible for minor roads repairs, but they have been sidelined by corrupt politicians ruling the country.The people in those ministrys employed to carry out those minor repairs are doing nothing but still receiving salaries because the politicians know the truth: They caused it and so can't sack them .

If you conplain, you can be sacked. So because of this , civil servants have learnt to keep quiet about what's going on and collect their monthly salaries which is not even enough compared what politicians are stealing everyday.

Realz99:
Yes

Which did you try?
And what was your experience after?

Realz99:
I need help

You have been given help on this thread by different persons. Have you tried any of those?

FRANCISTOWN:
Nope! I identity myself with atheism, strictly apatheism.
I'm not affiliated to anything spirituality at all.
Spiritual in intellectual? Yes.
But spiritual in a kind of self religion? Hell No.

I do not have a soul, I do not have a spirit.

Spirituality is not self religion. Religion is based on invented truths whiich believers are made to accept without questioning.

And not everyone who practices spirituality agrees to the concept of soul. You have the freedom to choose what you want to accept and reject what you want to reject

Atheism doesn't teach you any truth. It's a position that's opposed to theism . That's all. Whatever truth you acquire about yourself and the world around you, that's not taught in regular schools ,is what's referred to as spiritual knowledge.

It's your choice whatever you agree to call such knowledge or whatever labe youl to decide to give yourself.

FRANCISTOWN:
Mind you. Not all atheists regard science to be the final authority.

Therefore, you take what is reasonable with proofs and you remain neutral about the rest.

Whatever science says is basically it's cup of tea, though I'm a scientist. But I don't let what I don't know overwhelm what I know.

I read some scientific notes and I go like "No No! This is bull crap" while I read some and I'm totally flabbergasted.

Lemme gist you.
Before the Meiji era in the ancient nation of Japan. There was a very great swordman. He was so good that he became a myth. There had never been anyone like him.
All the swordmen far and wide heard about him and came to challenge him to a battle.
He won everyone of them.

When he was asked how he was able to defeat everyone. They were expecting a grand answer or a boast about how he had practiced more or more talented. But he said. The reason he was able to defeat them all was because none of them knew their own individual weaknesses, and those who knew refused to acknowledge them.
Then he said "In any battle, a great swordman must first acknowledge his own weakness and the strength of his opponents".

That's the way I live my life. I do not deceive myself. I understand my own strengths and I acknowledge my own weaknesses. That's the faith I have in myself and not some spirituality nonsense.

The bolded has confirmed what I said about you. You practiced some form of spirituality even though you don't want to recognise it has such. Spirituality doesn't mean what you think.

There are different types of spirituality and the one that you practiced is called individualistic spirituality which has helped you to understand your own strength and acknowledge your weaknesses..

There' are truths about the human being and the world we live in which are yet to be explained scientifically. These unexplained body of truth is what is referred to as spiritual knowledge different from religious knowledge..

I think we both subscribe to the same thing , individualistic spirituality

FRANCISTOWN:
What I know about myself is of no importance to you. Myself is myself and I'm responsible for myself. At the end of the day, whatever I think of myself is my own cup of tea

What you know about yourself is really of no importance to me. But as an atheist discussing faith on an open forum , your boast about it will make more sense if it's supported by something reasonable at least .Blind faith is for religious fanatics which you're not.

You seem to forget that your atheistic world view greatly relies on the sciences for meaning.

And scientists everywhere are saying that inspite of all the things they know about the human being, yourself included, there's much more they still cannot figure out and so nothing is guaranteed .

Or is it that you subscribe to some kind of spirituality which you're unwilling to admit?

Atheists are known to depend on scientific evidence, and not what they personally think, in making definite statements about anything.

FRANCISTOWN:
Is anything guaranteed in the existence of other things except humans then?

It would help if you just focus on the main thing.

There are enough evidences that confirms waking up is not a guarantee for every human being who goes to sleep at night.

But in the sciences, there are experiments that will surely produce guaranteed results every time without fail.

So what you're talking about to create confusion ?

FRANCISTOWN:
Myself

What do you know about yourself to get you that faith?