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helinues:
In Nigeria, No.

Why should a business center be exempted from paying taxes?

You're conflating two unrelated things.

A business centre should not be exempted from paying taxes, but Churches and mosques which are set up as charitable organisations receiving donations from members ,and even the government itself, to be used for charitable works shouldn't be taxed .

You need to provide factual reasons why they should and not your bias talk of describing them as "business centres".

What you're advocating for is akin to jungle justice for a group you personally dislike due to your ideological position, and it clearly exposes your anti religion stance.

No responsible government anywhere in the world would ever listen to your kind to start taxing religious organisations.

It's better instead to demand the government set up something in place to monitor church and mosques finances so they're used for the purposes they're meant for and not embezzled by religious leaders within either groups

helinues:
The questioning was to politicians. Why should we be following a law that is obsolete?

Religious groups are now more or less business center

Are you pretending not to know why religious organisation are exempted from paying taxes?

Very good .
Other states in Nigeria should follow suit and end institutionalized corruption


The current president of Nigeria has been benefit from this kind of corrupt arrangement (pension for governors)for years in Lagos,yet the same person wants to fight corruption.

Make we dey watch how

geezville86:
Hmm…you are missing the point here, and quite obviously. I only provided examples, with the point being the unhygienic hand with residue will be used to do one thing or the other

Why you trying to deny your own words?
Your examples were very clear. You talked of using it to eat and shake hands. What's there to miss in that?

geezville86:
Each of the popular options by themselves are somewhat disgusting. Wiping with tissue only would not completely do the job, and using water with your bare hands is actually irritating, no matter what anyone wants to say. If you like scrub those hands with a metal sponge, there will still be some residue which you will now use to shake someone else or use to eat amala and then blame witches from the village after an infection occurs.

Bidets are the way to go, and then wiping with tissue thereafter. The next efficient option would be to sprinkle water on toilet paper and wipe off until you have done justice to the place. Baby wipes could clog the toilet and cause a sewer back up.

Shaking with your left hands and also eating with it? Who does that? Left hand is what's used, not the right one

MrBrownJay1:
hairy nyansh comparable to hairy beard?! BWAAAAH is that man a gorilla or what? the assshole is NOT that hairy, i am sorry, and the little hair you have down there can easily be cleaned with wipes.

I have not compared "hairy beard to "hairy nyash" . You're the one who just did that comparison, and I struggle to see how it makes sense since the area around the butt hole covered with hair is closed tight space unlike the face that's open and wide.

I have also not said I have an hairy down below. You're imagining things
aboutt me which you're not sure of.

BTW how were you able to come to the conclusion that the amount of hair there is not enough to make it difficult for such persons to have it very well cleaned?


I quoted you because I only wanted to draw your attention to the fact that baby wipes won't work for everyone because we are all not "made" the same way. Some people have certain features in their bodies which are not common. Trying to force such persons to do what you prefer and not what's good for them is very wrong

Modern toilets systems now have bidets attached to it to serve the needs of those who want to do it differently because that's how they can get it well cleaned, but you and your likes are already resisting this new innovation for only what works for you.


Baby wipes will work for an hairless down below of an adult because it's smooth skin but for the one that's hairy ,no matter the amount of wipes used some residual of excreta will still get stuck in the strands of hair surrounding that area.. In a situation like that ,running water is the only thing that can completely remove it. You don't need to use your hands. Install a modern toilets facility in your home or if can't afford it , use your left hands and then wash it immediately with soap and water.

Beverlyjean:
Only local people or people that were born in local poor environments use water

You have generalised. Both the poor and the very rich use water. It depends on what they feel is the best for them .

And besides most modern toilets found in the homes of the very rich in high brow neighborhoods are attached with water bidets for cleaning the butt hole after pooing .

I don't think you have seen one or used it before hence your generalisation.

pocohantas:
They never said it is the best for everyone. He only gave a recommendation and he said it is what he uses. If you are as hairy as Samson, you can feel free to wash your butt in the Atlantic Ocean if water inside house no do you.

That said, you can consider waxing to curtail your sporadic anal hairgrowth.

Someone said so, not you.

The hair is there for a reason. It act as insulation for the very hairy person, and so removing it is not medically advisable. Ask a doctor

This is it below. He recommended for everyone. That water is not needed but baby wipes

MrBrownJay1:
i fully disagree, water is not needed if you use baby wipes and it actually does the business quite nice.

BTW if you didnt tell this girl about shiit in her nyansh then you are part of the problem here.

DissTroy:
LOL. These guys have to be actually hairy to know how it feels. I do well with cold since my hair acts as insulation but badly with heat.

I have to use the restroom once I get into any building to wash my face with water, and beard too. Handkerchiefs are just temporary measures. How can they clean sweat of my beard? We have to wash it for else it'd be itchy.

Same for using the loo. Since we are hairy, no matter how frequently we shave, the hair grows back in a few days and in between, we have to wash off with actual water.

Any hairy person who uses tissue paper in the loo is a pig. He definitely has excreta crumbs sticking around where the sun doesn't shine.

They won't understand until they are just as hairy.

Thank you.
Despite the bolded, some people here insist tissue paper and baby wipes is best for everyone.

MrBrownJay1:
in some countries like Brasil, yes i had to put it in a bin next to the loo, as it is very normal to do there, but elsewhere i always flush it down and never had any issue whatsoever. been using wipes for more than 10yrs now, there are wipes in each and every toilets in my house.

Baby wipes can only work for babies and not for adults with lot of hair down there. You are hairless hence the reason you have no problem with it .

Read the below and learn from other people's experience

DissTroy:
For people like us who are hirsute - very hairy, tissue paper never really does the job. We have to wash everything off with water because, for us, hair grows everywhere. EVERYWHERE.

Even face wipes don't do the job of cleaning our faces and sweat since we have a lot of facial hair so water to the rescue, again.

Maybe it might work for people with no body hair.

NOGRUDGES:
All these money just to Sidon for office and gossip, watch dstv, chop bole with fish and do eye service work,

Na to outsource the civil service work to private company's now, because most of these people no get 1 drop of value for their body

I suggest a downward review of minimum wage,

The total of the activities of these some these workers for the month fit run for only one week

Worker for some state dey go work only two days for week, some workers no dey reach their lga office self, na only wen chairman enter town dem the go form work

Reason am, if I lie make dem install cctv for all the 744 lga plus 74 state offices nation wide, the total cost na just under #500,000,000

You say all of these because you're an outsider who don't know exactly what goes on within the civil service in Nigeria, and you're not alone in this kind of talk which is based on half truth.

The truth of the matter is that corrupt Nigerian politicians are the major cause why most civil servants in the country are idle.

Elected government officials in Nigeria both at the state and federal level don't like to follow due process , laid down procedure ,which ensures accountability . Most of them are there to steal for the short period of time they occupy those offices and don't want anyone to challenge or stop them.

And so, instead of allowing civil servants to do the work for which they're employed, they bypass them and give it to outsiders, who will cover for them and muddle things up so that nothing is easily traced after their tenure has expired.

At time in this country, the Ministry of works, especially at that state level were directly responsible for minor roads repairs, but they have been sidelined by corrupt politicians ruling the country.The people in those ministrys employed to carry out those minor repairs are doing nothing but still receiving salaries because the politicians know the truth: They caused it and so can't sack them .

If you conplain, you can be sacked. So because of this , civil servants have learnt to keep quiet about what's going on and collect their monthly salaries which is not even enough compared what politicians are stealing everyday.

Realz99:
Yes

Which did you try?
And what was your experience after?

Realz99:
I need help

You have been given help on this thread by different persons. Have you tried any of those?

FRANCISTOWN:
Nope! I identity myself with atheism, strictly apatheism.
I'm not affiliated to anything spirituality at all.
Spiritual in intellectual? Yes.
But spiritual in a kind of self religion? Hell No.

I do not have a soul, I do not have a spirit.

Spirituality is not self religion. Religion is based on invented truths whiich believers are made to accept without questioning.

And not everyone who practices spirituality agrees to the concept of soul. You have the freedom to choose what you want to accept and reject what you want to reject

Atheism doesn't teach you any truth. It's a position that's opposed to theism . That's all. Whatever truth you acquire about yourself and the world around you, that's not taught in regular schools ,is what's referred to as spiritual knowledge.

It's your choice whatever you agree to call such knowledge or whatever labe youl to decide to give yourself.

FRANCISTOWN:
Mind you. Not all atheists regard science to be the final authority.

Therefore, you take what is reasonable with proofs and you remain neutral about the rest.

Whatever science says is basically it's cup of tea, though I'm a scientist. But I don't let what I don't know overwhelm what I know.

I read some scientific notes and I go like "No No! This is bull crap" while I read some and I'm totally flabbergasted.

Lemme gist you.
Before the Meiji era in the ancient nation of Japan. There was a very great swordman. He was so good that he became a myth. There had never been anyone like him.
All the swordmen far and wide heard about him and came to challenge him to a battle.
He won everyone of them.

When he was asked how he was able to defeat everyone. They were expecting a grand answer or a boast about how he had practiced more or more talented. But he said. The reason he was able to defeat them all was because none of them knew their own individual weaknesses, and those who knew refused to acknowledge them.
Then he said "In any battle, a great swordman must first acknowledge his own weakness and the strength of his opponents".

That's the way I live my life. I do not deceive myself. I understand my own strengths and I acknowledge my own weaknesses. That's the faith I have in myself and not some spirituality nonsense.

The bolded has confirmed what I said about you. You practiced some form of spirituality even though you don't want to recognise it has such. Spirituality doesn't mean what you think.

There are different types of spirituality and the one that you practiced is called individualistic spirituality which has helped you to understand your own strength and acknowledge your weaknesses..

There' are truths about the human being and the world we live in which are yet to be explained scientifically. These unexplained body of truth is what is referred to as spiritual knowledge different from religious knowledge..

I think we both subscribe to the same thing , individualistic spirituality

FRANCISTOWN:
What I know about myself is of no importance to you. Myself is myself and I'm responsible for myself. At the end of the day, whatever I think of myself is my own cup of tea

What you know about yourself is really of no importance to me. But as an atheist discussing faith on an open forum , your boast about it will make more sense if it's supported by something reasonable at least .Blind faith is for religious fanatics which you're not.

You seem to forget that your atheistic world view greatly relies on the sciences for meaning.

And scientists everywhere are saying that inspite of all the things they know about the human being, yourself included, there's much more they still cannot figure out and so nothing is guaranteed .

Or is it that you subscribe to some kind of spirituality which you're unwilling to admit?

Atheists are known to depend on scientific evidence, and not what they personally think, in making definite statements about anything.

FRANCISTOWN:
Is anything guaranteed in the existence of other things except humans then?

It would help if you just focus on the main thing.

There are enough evidences that confirms waking up is not a guarantee for every human being who goes to sleep at night.

But in the sciences, there are experiments that will surely produce guaranteed results every time without fail.

So what you're talking about to create confusion ?

FRANCISTOWN:
Myself

What do you know about yourself to get you that faith?

FRANCISTOWN:
I was wondering since you said nothing is guaranteed.

Why don't you like to read me before replying?
I said nothing is guaranteed in the life of a human being. That's what I said.

FRANCISTOWN:
I'm an atheist but I get faith die.

What does your faith rest on?

FRANCISTOWN:
Lemme ask you a question.
The main gate leading to your compound. Is there a guarantee that it cannot fly?

We're talking about what we know about the human experience and not a gate, an inanimate object.

FRANCISTOWN:
Waking up is guaranteed. It's a normal thing.
Anyone who doesn't wake up must have suffered an absurdity.

If the bolded can happen, then waking up is not guaranteed.

And yes , nothing in the life of humans is guaranteed. We don't know it all

Jackanda1:
Realz99, don't listen to that guy advicing you to leave christianity and become atheist. Your situation would get worst.

Those spirit tormenting you would gain unlimited access to your spirit bringing in other demons more wicked than itself.

Tell a church to pray for you.

Go back to read what I explained. I advised he visit a church where love and not fear is preached.

No spirits are tormenting him. You are adding to his fears by saying so.

Jackanda1:
After i diagnosed the problem, you have come out to run your mouth and form smart.

How come you couldn't recognise the name OCD before now?

You are giving advice as if you know more than me who had suffered from it and found solution.

The actual term is Religious Trauma Syndrome (RTS) ,not OCD which can happen also to non religious people
I only used OCD because that's the way you described and understood it.

Neither of us is supposed to diagonise his condition as this or that. It's not the right thing to do. We aren't trained professionals to be sure.
So stop giving yourself airs as you didn't diagonise the actual thing.

In your own case, you did self diagosis based on what you read online and not that you visited any professional to confirm. And after that, substituted one fear for another believing you have gotten solution.

Realz99:
Thanks for the reply

Please keep your 90k to yourself .Don't give it to anyone. Use the money to reach out to an experienced professional counsellor to help you uncover what exactly within you that's responsible for your fears.

If there's any medical issue connected to your case, you will receive the appropriate advice on what to do. That's the way to go if you still feel apprehensive despite all I have explained before now.

Jackanda1:
Realz99, the problem you have is called Obsessive compulsive disorder(OCD). Thats the medical name for it.

A particular thought would trouble and torment your mind causing you great fear and apprehension.

You try every way possible to stop thinking about this thoughts, but it seems impossible.

Religious OCD is a common problem. There people who greatly fear they have commited the unpardonable sin, would get possessed or harmed etc. This thought is strong and can make you almost run mad.

The truth is, a demon is talking to your mind and trying to get you seriously depressed.

I had this problem were i kept thinking about the origin of God. I couldn't stop thinking and was almost running mad. Only prayers calmed my mind.

Run to a church and ask a strong man of God to rebuke that demon in JESUS name and your mind would be calm.

Update me when you get delivered.

I'm afraid you want to make things worse for the op. You don't know what you're saying

OCD is not caused by any demons sending thoughts to your mind.. That's your religious belief which you're trying to deceptively mix with scientific fact.

OCD is caused by the negative programming that goes on within certain religious circles especially pentecostal Christianity where a diet of fear is constantly fed their members to keep them in line so they don't depart from the faith.

Fear of hell , eternal damnation, excommunication, demons possessing you and witches attacking you at night if you don't pray to God before you sleep are some of the negative suggestions which triggers fear response within the minds of believers. It's garbage in garbage out.

A lot of Christians are suffering silently from this and don't know the cause. They think it's demons whereas it's the lies which they have been made to accept as truth that's responsible

Severe OCD cannot be handled by any prayers or deliverance. I know because I have had it before. I was running from pillar to post , couldn't sleep at night and thinking I was going to lose my mind until I found solution elsewhere.

The OP needs professional help and not what you're suggesting. It doesn't work .it will further compound the problem.

It's either he abandons Christianity completely or look for a church where love and not fear is constantly preached from the pulpit. I suggest the latter for him so you don't come and accuse me of trying to make him abandon the faith.

Realz99:
I have terrible Fears, it can be called schizophrenia,
It's a kind of fear that comes as a result of thinking that something wants to harm you,

My fear developed as a result of some things I read ,

https://www.nairaland.com/2506423/holiness-olumba-olumba-obu-appeared

This link I posted above is someone's write up on nairaland, where he said that oo obu appeared to a kiddnapers den physically and saved a kid that was captured,

Since I read that information my brain has processed it in another way,
I do ask myself, so someone has the power to appear to another person in a location physically just like the writer wrote,

Then I started having the thoughts of what if any of my enemies appears to me physically and kill me with a gun or even any of my enemies that's in occult tells their grandmaster to appear to me and kill me physically,


MY CURRENT FEARS

(THIS IS THE ONE I NEED URGENT HELP ON BECAUSE ITS DISTURBING ME PRESENTLY)

I once made a mistake, I went to a native doctor, whom after his consultation he said that witchcraft is disturbing me, and at thus he marked some anti witchcraft marks on my body which I'm regretting now,

You're not schizophrenic. If you were ,you wouldn't not even know it. It's only a professional that can diagonise you as that.

Irrational fears due to wrong beliefs is the cause of your problem. You just need to change your mindset. That's all.

As for the babalawo, you don't need to have any fear. He has done his job ,which to me, is a waste of your money, and has completely forgotten about you . If you go to him again, I'm sure he wouldn't even recognize. your face again

Don't worry yourself over nothing.

Realz99:
Thanks for the reply,

There' was some mix up in my reply. I just edited it to remove the confusion. I mistakenly quoted someone and all his responses mixed up with mine

You're having this problem because you accepted as true something that's lie.

Nobody can magically appear to you in your room to torment you, and no witch has the power to make your life miserable without your consent.

And you give consent when you believe that external circumstances and people around you can have control over your life. Most people in this part of the world are of this mindset due to religious indoctrination hence the reason they easily fall for such things.

The power of witchcraft lies in belief and nothing more.

So stop being afraid of people who have no power to harm you.

If you continue to be afraid after reading what I just explained, then repeat the switchword below,

PURGE CANCEL



For 3-4 minutes every1 to 2 hours silently to yourself or aloud if alone, throughout today and the next. It helps to remove from your mind negative thoughts that results in irrational fear.

Switchwords are psychological tools which doesn't depend on belief for them to work. They're not magical words but are very effective.



If you use the above switchword, and you get relief then learn how to take control of your mind so that you don't find yourself in this kind of situation again.

FRANCISTOWN:
Ha! What did I do wrong?
Let's not misunderstand each other.
Let's get back to the premise of this argument.

A man who supposedly died and came back to life but in the course of death claimed he saw a "thing" which he concluded in his mind to be God, despite no formal introduction between the two.

Myself and several others repudiated the claim and proposed that the man must have been in a state of imagination sequential to prior information or beliefs held by the man.

We further strengthened our arguments that NDE/ADE is strongly governed and presented in ways that suit whichever information, believe or beliefs that an individual may hold or has heard about during the individual's lifetime.

That is, a buddhist will most likely see Buddha when he dies.
A christian will see Jesus.
A muslim will see Allah( or nothing, as their religion does not preach that)
A Hindus will see Krishna and co (as in the account of Shanti Devi in the 60s of the India people)
An IFA worshiper will see IFA.
And so on...

Also, our argument rests on this main fact that, someone who has never heard of any god or hold no legends of god in the slightest
form of regard will most likely see a loved one, absolute darkness, a bright light. Some may not even see nothing, while some may not remember what they'd see.

Therefore, I present my thesis.
Shall we start all over?

It means you have not been reading me. I'm not yet arguing for NDE as proof of an afterlife.

I only asked you to provide scientific support for your explanation of what goes on in the brain during clinical death. But instead of providing that you deflected to "search Google my G"

How is that scientific support or evidence?

FxMasterz:
Yes, my encounter with you was on that spirit husband thread. You watered down the OP's narration of the experiences of a victim and brought in some unfounded and untested theories. I then asked the OP to ignore your comment saying you're an ignoramus. Except you don't know what the term ignoramus means. That statement wasn't disparaging in any way. You turned it to an occasion for a fight. It was on that thread that the OP shared dreams narrated by the victim and I used the dream to paint a picture of the victim's current life experiences which was confirmed by the OP on that thread. .

Why do you want to lie and deceive yourself? An ignoramus means an ignorant and stupid person and you say that's not an insult?

You just said it has to
do with dreams which you were explaining and I jumped in to interrupt and insult you. Now that I reminded that it was the spirit and husband thread, you want to change it. I think something is wrong with you. SMH. You were the one that started the insult, not me . Good you just admitted it. So who's now the rude person?
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I'm responding to you because you directly asked for my view concerning the link you posted.

First, let me tell you that the deliverance ministry also has a lot of ignorance associated with it among deliverance ministers. I don't count myself a deliverance minister. I count myself a minister of the Gospel. I don't conduct deliverance on people at first sight. I only confront demonic manifestations in people. This is contrary to what most deliverance ministers do.

For example, a girl was brought to me in 2022 who was accused of being a witch. Instead of conducting deliverance on the girl as many deliverance ministers would have done, I sat her down beside me and admonished her in few words to give her life to Christ and leave the occult. I was just talking to her normally. Not praying. In less than 2 minutes, she fell off the chair unto the floor and remained there wriggling and manifesting for more than 30 minutes. I didn't do anything order than watch her there. I didn't cast out any demon. Once she regained her composure, I asked her to go home and return another day. Does that look like trickling of the mind to you?

On another occasion, I was praying for a man who never showed any sign of demonic possession. He didn't manifest anything. The man was brought to me because he was severely tormented. In his younger years, he was working with MTN and suddenly got sacked. He never got another job again from that time. When they brought him to me, he was looking like a mad man. I never knew he had a masters degree until he began to speak excellent English. He looked like someone in his mid 50s. I can't be certain of his age though because oppression can make someone look extremely older than his age. But at the time, he had no wife, no house of his own. He had absolutely nothing. Not even a cell phone. He narrated his ordeal and I prayed a simple prayer with him. He didn't manifest any demonic activity but when I finished praying he said while I was praying he heard a feminine voice from inside him that said "I'm leaving!". His life changed from that moment onwards. That's deliverance. Does this look like someone tricking the mind of another?

So, when we look at the practical side of these things, the truth is farther from what you're thinking. These are things I can practically demonstrate. I have witnessed an occasion while I was praying for someone and the demons spoke out telling me how they got inside her when she was made to perform a ritual at age 6 to dedicate her to a river goddess in Calabar. The lady herself couldn't remember the incident vividly, it was the father who later confirmed the demon's words. What mind tricking would make someone narrate detailed events she herself is personally unaware of?

I remember while praying for the lady, when the demon had insisted the lady was her property because she had a covenant with her. I told the demon that the covenant was broken. You can't imagine how she screamed because of that. Those are not mind tricks. Eventually, the demon pleaded with me to allow her stay. I asked her to leave in the name of Jesus. The deliverance of this lady took several days. I remember an occasion during the deliverance period when I was called upon to help this lady in her house because she was in torment. I rushed to her house to assist. She was in severe discomfort on the bed in her bedroom. The Holy Spirit asked me to rebuke demons, so I simply commanded the demons in the name of Jesus to leave her. When I finished commanding, the lady became very calm and told me that immediately the demons sensed my presence in her house, they began to strangle her, angrily telling her she must die that day.

Or should I talk about an elderly woman, wife of a retired DPO who constantly entertained suicidal thoughts until the husband asked me to pray for his wife. The woman confessed to her liberty while sharing her testimony one Sunday. She almost worshipped me that day because of too much joy and internal freedom. This is the same woman who before then, would deliberately injure herself because she wanted to die. That's why I laugh at these atheists who think the world revolves around their limited logic. Francistown even went to create a counter thread full.of self deceit while jaephoenix tagged my response on this thread as bullshit.

What I say, I say from experience. I once asked maynman to meet me for a one on one demonstration which he subtly avoided. I couldn't have ventured that far if I don't know what I was doing. These are things I can demonstrate anywhere.

I don't expect people to have demonic possession. So I don't cast out demons from people at first sight until the demons themselves manifest. I have numerous episodes I can narrate. I'm not talking theories here. I'm talking from experience.
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So many unverified stories
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The Catholics can't conduct deliverance except they want to deceive themselves. I won't go into that in details..

You're just bluffing . You don't know it more than the Catholic priest who are well trained in it.

Both you and those atheists cannot tell me that you've had all the experiences the world could ever offer you to have reached the conclusions you have currently reached. To me, you live and judge by theories, logic and very limited experience. if only you can dare to explore more, you'll find after many more experiences that you're still ignorant.

What do you know about me ? I'm not a kid and I have been to places and done things you dare not do as a Christian

You're defending what's putting food on your table with anything you can come up with.

I said what you're doing is not different from what TB Joshua did when he was alive.

You're messing up with the minds of ignorant people who come to you for deliverance

And no matter the good you think that's coming from it, you are also adding to their problems.

People who have been convinced by pastors like yourself that they can be possessed by demons have already condemned themselves to a life of perpetual misery. From that moment onwards,every single problem they face is attributed to demons. How can that kind of person know peace. No way!

FxMasterz:
There has been no pastor who abandoned deliverance because he thought he was tricking people's minds. Such a thought itself is absurd. Have you ever witnessed a deliverance session live and direct to see the beautiful transformation that usually follows? I've never had anyone returned to me with the same problems after being delivered and the demons cast out.

Do you read to understand or read to criticize? You insulted me severally in the past even when I didn't return the insults. Someone confirmed that you've always been like that.
Even on that particular thread where someone described a series of dreams a victim of demonic oppression claimed to have. I dissected the dreams and provided an accurate picture of what the the victim would be experiencing in real life which was confirmed by the narrator. In spite of the confirmation, you continued to shoot out your opposing views without objectivity. Then you went on to lace all your posts with insults without provocation. I don't want to have any discussion with persons of such character. So stop mentioning me. I'll not respond anymore if you dare another mention.

@ the bolded, you have mistaken me for another person. I have never engaged you concerning dreams on this board. Never! If you insist I was the person please revisit the thread and bring evidence I was the person. It was in the spirit husband and wife thread that you directed some disparaging comments at me which I responded to . Apart from that, no other time. It's wrong for you to accuse me of something I never did.


Back to the topic. I won't say much again you're free to believe what you want to believe

Delivering people from demons is one of the oldest tricks in the books to recruit new members for Pentecostal churches. TB Joshua successfully used that to expand his church business.

The Catholic Church began with the same thing but stopped after a time. These days you hardly hear that a Catholic priest is conducting exorcism somewhere. Anyone who comes to them is directed to seek professional help first before anything, and when such persons take the advice, it's reported they usually don't come back because they found professional solutions for what they taught was caused by demons. You should be doing that and not deceiving the public like TB Joshua

What you doing messing up the minds of innocent people in the name of casting out demons from them is spiritism , not Christianity. Those who are very good at it outside Christianity can make those who submit to them do much more than demons talking through them . They can make people bark like dogs , meow like cats and any other thing. You don't know what's behind what you do. You're practicing spiritism in the name of Jesus and don't even know it.


Take your time to read the below. It's from a pastor like yourself. He's not the only one. There are others too who have spoken against what people like you're doing to ignorant Christian's.

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https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1992/08/beware-of-deliverance-ministries&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwit5oaH0KiEAxXPVEEAHTF7DQQQFnoECAYQAg&usg=AOvVaw1awjvEVwlFJFttmW7qHoXS

Please come back to tell what you think.

Modified. The first link I shared didn't lead to the exact page I wanted you to read. I just replaced it