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MaxInDHouse:
You missed it again Sir!
Don't be deceived my friend, it's exactly what people have in mind that determines what action they will take, they're only editing it due to fear of law and order. Once the law can't catch up with them you'll know the true colour of most people around you!

As usual you didn't take to read what I said
I agree that people act based on what they think but not all the time that they follow through with action
There may be people around you who sometimes nurse the thought of doing something very bad to you but have they done so ? Why?

Even you yourself sometimes have negative thoughts raging in your head. How many of those thoughts have you followed though with action?

LordReed:
I understand your position, I just want it underlined that there exist reasons to mock people who hold certain beliefs especially if they are extreme. I believe that it is more about the context than the fact that they are being mocked. I personally avoid mocking people for being believers but will not hesitate to tongue lash those who I think deserve it for expressing stupìd ideas. It may do nothing to change their minds but it should give some others a pause and a chance to reason. I was once a believer in god but conversations both reasoned and heated gave me the impetus to really examine my beliefs. In fact they still do, I don't take my positions as written in stone.

I think it can only work for a few. Your case is different. You already had the capacity to critically examined what you use to believe. So it was easy to make the change.. Most people here don't have that advantage .They should be treated as humans and not derided for having a belief in a god

But I have to admit here that the op from what I can take from is post seem to be on the verge of abandoning his religious beliefs. Did you noticed the poignant questions he was asking all through.

That is it the right thing to go to a slave camp to free slaves with insults? is it proper to use extreme mockery to teach others what they do not kmoe ?

Forget the other things he was saying alongside it and just listen to him.

I have not seen anyone responding to that but only focusing on the negative things he said and I have to ask why? The resident Satanist even ran away to create another thread just to counter him.

Well, the op appears to be waking and I won't be surprised if he ends up becoming a non believer some day

His outbursts to me are evidences of someone whose mind is gradually coming alive. Maybe your method his working. or not working. Only time would tell

LordReed:
Is someone who thinks it is acceptable to kill witches and homosexuals because their holy book says so a religious nut job or not?

Telling them so directly wouldn't change anything. They lack the awareness to understand what you're saying. They are indoctrinated and operating from that state.

Psychological studies has demonstrated the fact that no one who is truly indoctrinated or brainwashed is ever conscious of it. They have been programmed to act in a particular way and can only change when the have been deprogrammed. So it is of no use .

Or would you for any reason try to convince a suicide bomber who is at the point of detonating a suicide vest that it is unreasonable to do so ? And also wait to further call him a religion nutjob when you should escaping with your life? This an extreme example but I believe it would help you understand my position better


A religious nutjob should be avoided at any cost. One can only try to engage the moderates. Those are sometimes amenable to reason.

MaxInDHouse:
It's what you have in mind that will determine your actions {Luke 6:45} if you believe that it's evil to aim a gun or any other weapons against your fellowman definitely you can't be a killer!

It's only a mad person that would act out whatever thoughts that enter their head.

A sane person would always try to edit whatever thoughts that come in to know if it is the proper thing to do or not.

Not everything that we think about that we follow through. If it is as the way you describe it , then it would not be uncommon to see a lot of people around behaving irrationally and who knows maybe one of those of your neighbors and relatives who hate you as JW would have gotten you killed already.

The bible verse you quoted is church theology. It has no basis in reality.

MaxInDHouse:
There is one thing that makes atheism wicked but the same thing affects all the religious groups on this planet!
According to God's word all false religious organizations are on the same page with atheism. The reason that people feel they have the right to choose any form of worship that soothes their liken is a big promotion for atheism!
Atheists are arguing for what they feel is right but you people are arguing that God is the one who knows what is right, OK which of all your numerous religious groups are doing God's will? You don't want to discuss that yet you're expecting right thinking persons to embrace your stupidity in the name of God!
If there is God the first question that needs to be answered is:
How many are they?
If you all agree that there is just one then the next question should be:
How do we worship Him?
But accepting all forms of worship in the name of One God is the problem you people are creating for yourselves!

Calling others wicked because of what they choose to believe or not doesn't make you a good person.

You don't automatically become a good person by labeling others as wicked. It is your actions that would demonstrate the kind of person you are.

@ op

I am afraid you're generalising. All atheist or non religious don't behave the same way. But I understand where you're coming from . It is obviously based on what you have experienced and observed here.

But the truth of the matter is that most are behaving that way because they are living their lives based on borrowed behavior. A fake life. That's how I like to describe it.

The foreign atheists whose behavior most of them are copying are from societies where nearly every single member is enlightened enough to know what is right from what is wrong. So it is expected that some, atheist especially, over there would mock you when you behave in a way they consider stupid or irrational .They expect you to know better than to believe in what they consider nonsense or fairy tales.

But on this side, there's no enough reason for anyone who is fortunate to be properly educated and better exposed to go about looking for less enlightened members of his society to insult and abuse simply because these other people insist at a particular point in their lives that they are more comfortable in believing in something rather than in nothing.

Well, I already mentioned that it is borrowed behavior.
If not, what on earth would make anyone who claims to be a former Christian or Muslim turn back to make mockery of those that still believes forgetting that not too long ago he or she was equally a "slowpoke" or religious nut job.

It is an aberration . It's like a former prostitute who is now rehabilitated going back to the hotel she once worked to insult and mock others who are yet to have the opportunity to escape that life. It is really unfair and makes no sense whatsoever.

The proper attitude of a former believer who is really honest about helping others see what he now considers the "light" should be that of concern and understanding and not to take delight in mocking others at every given opportunity even when it is not called for.

If the person who trolls you online grew up as an atheist without having participated in any religious group before, then you should understand the reason for his behavior and not take offence. The person has not had your experience. So it is only natural that the individual would want to understand why you choose to believe in a God .He simply cannot get it no matter how you try to explain

People will always act based on what they know and have experienced. They can't behave otherwise. There are certain things in life that can only be completely understood by a direct experience of it. Nothing else would do.

But when the troll has had that religious experience and now pretends not to, then it is self deception. Don't waste your time .You're dealing with a fake person. Move away .The person already knows the answer to the question he or she is asking you about what you believe. There's no sincerity and you would be stupid to engage such a person. The person is looking for the opportunity to make you look stupid for what you choose to believe at this time

So please don't regard every atheist or non religious as the same. Not every atheist on ths section behave as you have described .We all can't be the same. Everyone has their own method

However, you on your part should also learn to respect what others choose to believe or not to believe. That's the only way we can all make for a harmonious relationship amongs the different groups that exist here..

Final word. Please don't regard me as a representative of any group. All I have said is from me alone. Others can choose to see things differently and they have the right to see things their own way.

A001:
Lols. More and more nonsense

Don't quote my post again to spew tripe.

When you're intelligent enough to discuss issues reasonably and honestly without forming different things that don't exist in your head as a mischievous person, I'd be willing to engage you.

An intelligent person like you that's living life based on assumptions.

You assume I am a religious person.Shame

Next time, be sure of the identify of the person you're chatting with before reacting unconsciously and embarrass yourself.

So far nothing like superior arguments to counter anything but insults and wayward talk .
Use your head next time before jumping into matters that is way above you

A001:
Lols. You're funny.

If you've read the book, you wouldn't have said most of the things you posted here because in many parts of the book, Otem urges readers to question all knowledge and abstain from immersing themselves in the philosophy of another person, whether it's Otem's, Aristotle's, Allah's, Jehovah's, etc.

All your posts, especially the nonsensical parts like your god or your lord Otem, simply show you know little or nothing about what you're criticizing.

Just rest with the mischief and either read the book if you want or stop the petty arguments.

I said you're a religious person because they're only people I know that show the kind of mischief you exhibit here.

You're living in denial. That's all.

Your assumption is working against you but you don't know it.

You're the one who is actually behaving like a religious since you're loath to question anything.

Napoleon is always right. Well done

A001:
The religious guy that has issues with Otem's writings is up to his mischief again. Lols.

Calling me a religious person shows you don't know anything about me

And it is clear now to me and everyone who knows me on this board, that it was your wrong assumption that worked against you hence you were canceling my post and judging them silly because to you, anyone who question Otem must be religious and a religious person in your thinking can never make sense.

Nobody is above questioning no matter how knowledgeable they present themselves. I don't hold on strongly to any ideological position and for this, I have the mental freedom to question anything that does not make sense so as to clear my doubts or get better informed

If not for cognitive dissonance on your part, why attacking me when I am doing the proper thing of wanting to know more?

When did it become silly or a crime to ask questions?

I have read some parts of the book written by Otem and was impressed . But that does not mean it is a perfect work .

dazzlingd:
Your problem here seems to be English.

Stop over thinking it, it is so simple as to say people mistaken coincidences for miracles.
That's what he meant by the power of coincidence, it is not the physics definition of power as the rate of doing work

Just imagine !

You can't express yourself very well in English language yet you think you're in a better position to analyze my comments by taking it out of context.

My friend ,please read our conversation from the very beginning to have a better understanding.

Your god, Otem, was the one who suggested coincidence has power when I questioned what he actually meant by power of coincidence..

Go back and read and don't come here to expose your ignorance Mr English language teacher that cannot teach himself the language before wanting to teach others.

sonmvayina:
I used to have a spirit wife before I got married to my wife. Sex with her was clean. I had to appease her to allow me enjoy my life on this realm. But she was always protecting me, I loved her for that.
When I was in the UK, I met this pretty babe from Trinidad and Tobago on match.com. after enough chatting she came to my house for some lashing. When my spirit wife saw her she said I shouldn't, I was head strong because I have wasted time and wifi on chatting and telling her all the positions we will do.

Long story short, after like 2 hours of pre-intimacy "oga jimmy" no raise oh. I try try...nothing. she got angry and left. I had to beg her and called cab to take her from Neasden to Hounslow.

Like two weeks later I managed to get her on the phone, but the voice was not hers. It was her elder sister. She told me she was in hospital. She was HIV positive, and has become full blown AIDS.

I kneel down thank Sophia. My spirit wife..

It also happened with another uhrobo girl from Delta state. But she did not have Hiv, my dick no still stand,

I guess she did not want it to happen..

We are spiritual beings having a human experience, when we expire here we go back to the spiritual realm. (The real life)

And you didn't bother to know why you had a spirit wife?

TenQ:
You speak like spirit wife/husband is the main type of demonization: this is not true!

Not all problems are of direct demon origin.

How do you convince a person who was delivered from demonic affliction after doing all physically possible that "it was just a thing in his mind"?

The op is about spirit wife and that was what I responded to before you started dragging me

If you believe demons causes problem for people, I don't.

Well ,your negative thoughts can take on form and wreck havoc on you and those around you. That is what most of you ignorantly regard as demons but they are just thoughtforms and not real.

There are people who are gifted with the special ability to see these thoughtforms as the hover around people. You may have this ability or have met with someone who has, but it doesn't mean what you see is real. It is only thoughts that have taken form.

Ayo081:
Lol

I never mentioned under your pillow I think. I said near you.

It worked for me and I believe.

Whether near you ,under the bed or under pillow, the motive is the same and it's still superstition since it doesn't work for everyone.

What actually works , would work for everyone or most people inrespective of belief.

Ayo081:
Fear?

There's a difference between being spiritually opened (eyes or senses) and spiritually blind or afraid.

When you put Bible under your pillows so you sleep well shows fear. If you're were opened eyes spiritually as you say , you would know that doesn't help in anyway. It is just superstition and nothing more..

TenQ:
The mind can only be programmed by information..

Like, you have also been programmed by the minority report from some former christians who claimed they used to perform deliverance.

For the girl in my office.
1. I told her I would pray for her BUT I didn't tell her I would be casting out demons
2. I didn't even know for sure there were demons inside her till she started manifesting
3. How could I have conditioned her to react like demonized persons would?

It is difficult to convince a person who have a spirit wife that it is just a figment of his imaginations. Their dreams are usually vivid and sometimes they encounter physically their spirit spouse

I never wanted to respond again, but just have to .

I already advised you get yourself properly informed about how your mind works so you can understand my position better


Your mind cannot act on any impression that it refuses to accept as truth. I have been repeating this all along.

It is only individuals whose critical faculty skills not fully developed and are cast in the coinage of conspiracy theories that easily swallow the lies of demonic possession

Now , according to you, my current stand is because I have been made not to accept what you consider as truth of demonic possession inspite of the fact I already suggested to your that I use to have such belief in the past but now know better through my own experience. Really don't know what to tell you.

You not following at all. Don't bother much about me be concern with what you're doing. If it is the right thing you're doing only time will tell.

To your last statement ,the reason it is difficult to convince someone who thinks she is having spirit husband is because they accept as real what they see in the dream and also while awake . But those visions are not real or have no basis in reality.

I know how difficult it is to convince such people. I have been there before and came out of it. So I am speaking from experience.

You people lack the proper guidance to do what you're doing. You're destroying minds and think you're helping them through deliverance.

You can't end spirit wife through deliverance. The only way is to increase your awareness so you know the truth and the truth leads to your freedom

Good luck in your casting of demons business

TenQ:
A mind has to be programmed to generate information: I agree.

But you asked me a question "if I have casted out a demon from a non christian"
Thius answers your question.

What do you understand about how minds are preprogrammed. You think it is something that happens only consciously.

If you're not a Christian, and you live amongst Christians your mind can be preprogrammed to start accepting Christianity. It doesn't have to happen consciously by someone preaching to you.

If you have delivered a non Christian, was it a random stranger who did not first agree to deliverance and submitted to you? You still don't get me.

Please let's end this . I am t not rying to force you to accept anything. I am only responding to your comment as they come.

Your experience is the only thing that can convince you. But that would be when you know what to look out for.

You can't know the truth about anything by focusing on one aspect of it.

Goodnight

Ayo081:
Believe it or not. This shit happens.
You don't believe?
Go on Reddit and search for the demons channel. People summon this things.

Stay close to God and your bible (have it around where you sleep).

Your latest comment shows fear. Fear is the meat of "demon" possession

TenQ:
Let's assume my mind tricks me into believing that I am casting out demons, is the mind of the demonized ALSO tricking him?

Does the mind of the demonized make them cook up fantastic stories about their lives and speak in third person to themselves?

I already explained the above when I said the mind will create effect from whatever it accepts as truth.. The human mind is extremely powerful.

The mind functions in two modes, the conscious and the unconscious. The later is responsible for most of your unconscious habits and other things you cannot even fathom..

The day you realise the truth of how your mind truly works is the day you begin to ensure no nonsense enters it and remain.. This the reason I said you're abusing the minds of the people you claim to be delivering.

The people you "deliver " are already preprogrammed to react that way .

And it begins from the impression and believes projected into their minds from people around them.

Once they accept , at the unconscious level, all of this impression coming into their minds they automatically become susceptible to any command from you to make them start misbehaving and acting as if possessded
by demons. That's how it works..

Those who reject or dont accept those impressions coming into their minds will not react . I am sure there are times you must have encountered those who don't respond as you expect no matter what you do

There are valid resources on the net to help you know more. You can search for them.

Or you begin from former deliverance minister near you to ask them questions why they stopped so you can have a balanced perspective on things.

As it is now ,you only know one side of the story and that's what you're holding on to.

TenQ:
I still wish you had your own experience rather than rely on the experience of others.
Let's assume that (for the sake of argument)
1. 50% of Deliverance ministers believe in casting out demons
2. 50% of former Deliverance ministers have explained the phenomenon away as a psychological phenomenon
(Even though, I will say that 80% of deliverance ministers believe they deal with ACTUAL demons.)

Who should you believe?

My argument is : Until you have your own experience, it is useless using the report of others (especially minority reports) as evidence of truth.

I have had my own experience which you don't know , if not ,I won't discuss the matter.

The only reason I am referring you to others, is for you to know I am not the only one .

Go first and understand how your mind works so you understand all I have been saying.

You have not responded to any explanation I have given concerning how your mind can trick you to think you're casting out demons which shows everything I have said is lost on you.

Modified. Everyone believing in something doesn't make it true so your percentages are irrelevant

TenQ:
Have you ever cast out a demon from anyone?

*Trust me, every true Christian can do so.
Why don't you have your own experience: then you will be eminently qualified to make a distinction between spirits.

But for now, you speak only hear-say as if it is the TRUTH!
Shalom

I ask you again, how do you know I have not done more than what you think you're currently doing ?


So you don't know that there former Christians out there who have abandoned the nonsense you're currently doing ?

This is the Internet. Do a search and come back and tell me your findings.

I hope your world don't come crashing down when you read their stories.

The scripture you quoted ,I know is the foundation for your belief.

Permit me to address it now.

The Bible contains , if you don't know , things that people believed in the past which were not true.

For instance, people during the bible times believed in a flat earth and also that the sun moves around to cause night and day.

It was for this reason "scientist" of those times created the story of Joshua to make people accept as fact what they knew about the earth as at that time.

Just like the Joshua example , there was also a time people believed that demons inhabit people and to make this idea find acceptance in the minds of people, the story of Jesus casting out demons was invented.

There lots of instance in the bible which I can reference to make you understand and know more about what I just explained. But the two is enough for now.


Now the question is , what causes what you're doing to appear real to you? (The casting of demons.)

The answer is ,your mind is creating the illusion.

The human mind has the capacity to create effect from whatever it accept as truth. If it is made to accept a lie as truth, it will create effect from it.

When you don't know how the human mind works, what I have been explaining won't make any sense to you. So get yourself informed

I hope one day, you find out the truth yourself and stop abusing the minds of others in the name of delivering them from demons that , sorry to say, only exist in your head and in the heads of those you have infected with the false belief.

Final question,

Have you ever commanded a demon to come out of non Christian who does not believe in the demon possession?

TenQ:
I honestly wish you had your own FIRST_HAND experience rather than speaking like you used to be a deliverance minister.

Since you know that spirits exist:
What is your impression about these scriptures
Lk11:14-15
14 Jesus was driving out a demon that was mute. When the demon left, the man who had been mute spoke, and the crowd was amazed. 15 But some of them said, “By Beelzebul, the prince of demons, he is driving out demons.”
Lk11:24-16
24 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ 25 When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. 26 Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first.”
Mark5:6-10
6 When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him. 7 He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? In God’s name don’t torture me!” 8 For Jesus had said to him, “Come out of this man, you impure spirit!”
9 Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
“My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” 10 And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.

Figments of imaginations?

How do you know what I have experienced?

And how does the above scripture explain spirit husband?

You just confirmed what I said before now. Did you take time to read my first response to the op?

It's obvious you did not.

Please, believe all you want . I am not interested in dragging this matter further with you. The day you meet with those who have abandoned what you're currently doing , then you will know the truth and do the same except the fake deliverance is your only source of income.

TenQ:
You speak like you've explored ALL there is and find out spirit beings don't exist.

A spirit spouse is simply one who has a possessive claim to a person especially if the demon has an opposite gender.
The nomenclature is NOT as important.

Demons don't just jump into people
Demons operate best in a covert state
The degree of possessiveness of demons and their strength in a person vary wildly

Demonic infection exists in EVERY culture and tribe in the world.
Horror movies is the WORST depiction of demonization of a person

I never said spirit beings don't exist. I only said the concept of spirit husband is a lie.

As for your other comments, this is what I have to tell you, make sure you know exactly what your talking about and not just what you read somewhere , watch in movies and from hearsay.


Demons don't possess people. What you think is demon possession is caused by something you're unaware of.

Pentecostal churches are the ones promoting these nonsense. The Catholic church has abandoned such practices of exorcism because they now know better.

If any catholic member , not those in the charismatic movement , approaches a priest who is welll informed, for deliverance, the person would be advise to go for mental evaluation in a psychiatric hospital before anything.

Most people who take this advise never return because they get to know after a session with a mental health practitioner that their problem is not caused by demons but is simply psychological. But some people don't want to be caught visiting a psychiatric hospital and so they run to your Pentecostal churches for deliverance which doesn't stop whatever they are experiencing

I know of some persons who for years have been running from church to church looking for the most powerful man of god to deliver them but without any success.

You can argue all you like but I just hope one day you come a cross a former deliverance minister in some of these Churches to let you know why he or she has abandoned what they were doing before.. Then you will get to know the truth

A lot of young ladies go about with their hair uncovered and body parts exposed due to scanty dressing.

If it were true they can be possessed by that, then we would have been seeing lots of them displaying the same sort of behavior as the lady in the op.

The concept of spirit wife and spirit husband is gotten from traditional African religion. It is a false belief which our primitive forbears used in the past as explanation for certain strange phenomenon they could not explain.

The whites dont have this sort of experience (spirit husband or wife)
simply because it was never part of anything that they believed in the past or even now.

The human mind is extremely powerful. It is capable of creating effect from whatever it is made to accept as truth. Most people are ignorant of this fact ,hence , they are easily taking advantage of.

The sad thing is that some ignorant people posing as men of God, in this part of the world, are still promoting the false idea of spirit husband or wife and conducting fake deliverance sessions which does not work.

This fake deliverance has left most of these desperate ladies
seeking for husbands disconsolate and depressed because after everything they were made to go through during such sessions and the money taken away from them in the form of sowing dangerous seed to God, nothing has changed.

And another unfortunate thing, is that after a time, due to the fact that they have completely accepted this lie, some of them start acting irrationally because they are now certain that they are possessed by a demon which is simply not true.



The lady in the op, I believe, is a victim of this. She may have been exposed to this idea either in the church or from people around her and the result is what is described.


Pastors who use this to scam their members , begin by preaching on the pulpit that any lady who is finding it difficult to get married has a spirit husband . Some of them even go to the extent of conducting fake deliverance session to cast out imaginary spirit husband right in front of their congregation and sadly enough, sometimes kids or very young persons of impressionable age are also part of those watching.

Then the members , after watching the fake deliverance nonsense, go home beleiving that there is something like spirit husband or spirit wife or that people can easily be possessed by demons.

And later , when some of the ladies or young persons who have been indoctrinated by the fake display find it difficult to get married or are having other strange experiences they can't understand and explain , which may be normal, they wrongly think it is caused by spirit husband or a demon. The immediate reaction is to run with fear in their hearts back to the same person who has indoctrinated them with this false idea in order to get delivered .

But after deliverance ,nothing changes because it is a scam.There's no invisible man stopping them from getting married.

The concept of spirit husband is not in the Bible or part of Christianity and so why are Christians made to believe in something that is not true?
Christians are not the only ones in this part
to believe this. Everyone else seems to and it is for this reason most find it difficult to shake themselves of it.

The solution is to know that there's nothing like spirit husband or wife preventing you from getting married and also to avoid persons who believe in it or places where such nonsense is believed or preached, if not, one can be dragged into it unconsciously and you start having strange experiences which would then make you think it is real.

OtemAtum:
Don't mind me jare. Sometimes I just like to catch cruise with ignorant people.

Using labels to describe people when it doesn't really describe them only shows the kind of person you are.

So far you have not been able to prove any superior intellect other than to engage in self deception.

Those who don't know anything or have limited knowledge are quick to label others as ignorant while those who truly know are loath to do so because they know that inspite of what they think they know they can't know it all.

Elanozy:
Off course

That it is a coincidence doesn't mean it is a reason why anything happens


But the person you are quoting is addicted to twisting , diverting and turning statements upside down

I almost forgot he is in the habit of twisting and turning in order to create confusion in ones mind so you don't pin him down on anything.
Thank you

budaatum:
I think you are getting hung up on words. Luck and coincidence are simply human explanations and rationals, and may indeed be occurrences that have actual causes that are not known.

If I apply for a job and get called for an interview, it would be a coincidence if, unbeknown to me, the interview would be conducted by a former classmate whom I taught in uni. And if I end up getting the job, I might consider myself lucky (or even, me reaping karma), while the former classmate who has more information than I might have might tell us I was the most qualified applicant for the job. It in no way means I believe in luck, though coincidences are a fact of life that one accepts whether one believes in it or not.

If I believe in luck or coincidence, perhaps I'd sit on my silly ass waiting for luck and coincidence to rain down the mana of a job on to my lazy coincidental ass, for that's what me and my ass would be if I relied on luck and coincidence for my daily bread.

My arguments has been that coincidence is non casual.

It is not a cause for something. We dont
say something is caused by coincidence. The correct expression is, it is coincidence .

The word , coincidence, and the phrase, caused by, should not be together in the same sentence, except when used figuratively

Why is this difficult to understand?

budaatum:
Triplechoice. Anyone can tell you've not read Otem's book. If you had, you'd understand he is not claimimg what he is writing is based on actual facts nor is he asking anyone to believe what he's written, so you thinking it is fact to believe shows a limitation in your comprehension. If that were not the case, you'd have simply asked Otem to show you the cage in which his Yahweh is encaged, and if he doesn't or can't, case closed.

And does this thread really has anything to do with what is contain in his book?

He has taken a position about what he thinks is responsible for certain occurrence in nature which I disagree with.

Have you seen me arguing about any portion of his book before.

He has been talking about spiritual cage and I understand it is not literal.

If this thread was an excerpt from his book , I would understand what message he is trying to pass across. Nothing like that.
At a point I even asked him if the expression is figurative.No answer

I think he is creating his own religion by talking of the power of coincidence which is not different from saying the power of god.

However ,whatever the case I don't believe in luck or coincidence.

I don't fully accept it . it prevents people from finding the actual cause behind any occurrence.

There are plausible explanations why certain thing we dont understand happen.

That should be the focus not imaginary tales, though used in good faith , may prevent some people from knowing better.

A001:
When next you want to argue with me, don't be mischievous by stating claims, pure lies that don't exist like your sick friend above.

You the one stating what I
didnt mention due to your own misunderstanding of everything I have said.

You're not insane but you insult without any reason and cancel replies like a demented fellow.

budaatum:
I can not help wonder what is wrong with you!

Why would you be arguing with those who have not bothered to read what you've been writing for years now? Can people who have not read a book understand what's in a book they never read?

Casting inuedos doesn't prove anything.

Cowardly behavior at its best. Not what I expected from someone like you.

You're taking sides without bothering to find out how it all started.

It is typical knee jerk reaction to jump into conclusions about someone without knowing much about them.
How do you know I have not read his book?

And what do you even know about my position concerning the arguments we have been having?

A001:
You're an extremely dull and mischievous person for making things up that don't exist in reality but only in your mind.

I made my points clear from the start, but your mischief has beclouded your sense of reasoning.

Whatever you believe about coincidence is none of my concern.

Canceling my reply like a thug only shows the kind of frustrated person you're

A001:
Lols, you're not making sense at all. This is such a dull post.

Read my quote above again, especially the highlighted parts. Maybe by the time you read it like 10 times , your 2kb IQ will finally understand the following clear statements I made:

1. Coincidences happen a number of times in life.
2. There's no scientific evidence for what what causes them.
3. Otem says coincidental occurrences are caused by the power of nature called the power of coincidence.
4. His explanation or model of how such happens look scientific and interesting, but it's still a claim until proven by concrete evidence in science.

Only a mischievous or an extremely dull person wouldn't be able to infer the following conclusions from all I've said so far.

The rest of your post above is a figment of the imagination of your obtuse mind.

Calling someone dull or of a low intelligence doesn't make them that.

If I were all you described ,you don't need to mention it . Others following would confirm and prove it.
But as long as you're the only saying so, it means you're deluded.

Now , here you are mixing up two things together and you think you're making sense.
My disagreement is that there's nothing like coincidence having power to cause anything.

It is as simple as that.

Don't mix what you understand about coincidence which I can accept with that of the op. They are not the same

OtemAtum:
I never said practising is a noun bro. Check again and you will see that I used the 'gerund phrase' called 'Practising Religion'. Check for the meaning of 'Gerund' pls. In my context, 'Practising Religion' is a 'Noun Phrase'. And back to my statement, I was trying to establish if you meant that it is a concrete noun or not. Now back to my question, do you mean that the noun phrase 'Practising Religion' is Concrete or abstract?

Stick to one thing and don't turn it to an English language class .

When you struggle to understand the word coincidence which budatum up there wants to make you understand better, what do you want to teach anyone about English words and meaning.

You have made your disciple to start insulting with all of these.

Good day bro