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From what I know, Christianity is a religion that teaches love for oneself and others.

But the thing is that, for one to practice this love, the individual should already have the capacity to love.

Christianity does not have what it takes to change anyone into a better person.

Most Nigerians are self selfish and self centered and Christianity cannot do much in changing that.

After becoming born again ,they pretend for a while and like a dog to its vomit, they revert to their old ways.


Christ, according to them, has died for all your sins both the old and the new ones and even more the ones you're yet to commit. You're covered by grace . So therefore, you can live your life as before .Nothing spoil





Yahoo boys and corrupt politicians are prominent members of most of these churches and they are not ready to change but instead are praying and fasting for success in what they do. Pastors pray and bless them all the time.



What most of the so called Christians are good at is pretentious Holiness

I know of friends and family members who claim to have become born again and even went to Bible school and ended up becoming pastors but still hold on to grudges they had with others before becaming born again.


If you come across a loving Christian,just know that the person has been a loving person before now.

It is not my business how people choose to live their lives. But no wicked person hiding under Christianity should go about telling others to change from their evil ways. That is hypocrisy

The Op's argument is a fallacious one. He has committed the fallacy of false analogy.

There can be no comparison between Seun, the owner and creator of nairaland, and an almighty God that is believed to have created the world we all live in.

Even if we all agree that both can be compared , it is still not enough reason to cast Seun in the mold of almighttyness.

If a law is not meant for you , and you go on to act not minding it, you have not violated it in anyway even when others around you that the law is meant for are obeying it.

The Op cannot pretend not to know the reason for the restriction placed in the Muslim section. Due to the fact that the forum is a faceless one, some persons go to that section regularly to make comments they would dare not make if they know that their true identity offline could be easily identified.

How many of such persons who are in the habit of making those vile comments in the Muslim section dare go to their Facebook page where they can be easily identified to nsult the Muslim prophet and risk what would come with it?


Seun case is different. unlike most of us here, is not hiding. He is well known not only on this forum but worldwide. For this reason, he cannot afford to behave like those who hide here to make hatefilled comments in the Muslim section. And so, it would not make any sense for anyone to expect him to swear to something that should not concern him .

The Op Should provide a valid reason why God should bypass his laws

And how does the Op even know that God can bypass any of his laws? If God works in mysterious ways, as I am sure he agrees to ,is not possible then that he, unlike imperfect humans, still can obey the laws he has created ?



One struggles to see how ordinary humans get automatically conferred with almightyness for disregarding a law or rule they are not even supposed to obey in the first place

The Op's argument is a very weak one . Instead of accepting this and find a way to make amends or to discontinue the conversation, he has been busy trying to shift responsibility for his failure on others by accusing people of not understanding the nonsense he has written.

The sheepies will obey because they can't think for themselves.

Nothing last forever. It's just a matter of time freedom will come for the minds that have been enslaved.

@op I understand your pains. It is obvious you feel cheated because of what you have come to discover about the condition of her womb.

But is it possible she wasn't even aware ?

Since she wasn't married before or tried to get pregnant for someone else, I don't think she would have found it necessary to check for anything.
Whatever the case ,its obvious you don't really love her . The reason I say this is because I know of someone who found himself in the same situation as yours. It wasn't even an issue for him. He understood it was her past and was a mistake. No lady in her right senses would deliberately do abortion in order to damage her womb.

So what did the person I am talking about do? He stood by her and from one doctor to another, several miscarriages and even still birth, the wife finally gave birth. This was a period of about 8 years.



Love doesn't last forever or something that just grow on it's own . It is won everyday by the things you do to keep the flame of love aglow. The problem is yours and not hers. You got married to someone you never truly loved.

If you get a new wife with a perfect womb and after getting married something then happens to the womb, what would you do then?

SexyBabe001:
Its funny the way we Nigerians talk and make ourselves autorithy in some certain issues. Like I said, its obvious the pastors are lying. If you know Oyedepo well enough he hardly reply to media or social media talks. He has been silent for almost 1-2 weeks and everyone was awash with different facts and useless talk.

Now for clarity sake, he came out to clear the air on what really happened as the senior pastor in charge setting the records right, you are even blaming him.

What do you ppl want sef? He talk wahala, he no talk... Wahala...

By the way I don't attend Winners.. I have never worship there or attend their service but I have great respect for Bishop Oyedepo

Your reply shows you didn't take the time to read my response.
You said it was obvious the pastors were lying. Why did you say so? Was it not because of what the Bishop has said?


You created a thread and commented on it but are unwilling to take criticism for what you started.
Oyedepo has not set any "record right" from anything he has said. The issue has to do with money and he is silent about the actual source of the church revenue. Once that is known, nobody will accuse him of employing pastors to make money for the church .So what are you talking about?

Anyway its enough now. Let's end the conversation. Have a wonderful day

Ogbuefi2020:
Benin empire sold mainly yoruba and itshekiri slaves

The Benins never at any time sold itsekiris as slaves. If you think they did, then tell us the history.

You certainly don't know the strong connection that exist between the Benins and
the itsekiris. The fact that you can't even spell the name of the tribe correctly shows that you don't know anything.

Hardfacts234:
We Igbos also have Yoruba ,Benin and itshekiri slaves among us.

We also have Benin and Yoruba related names in our Igboland

Tell us the history of the Benin and itsekiri slaves amongst your people

SexyBabe001:
I know the sacked pastors were lying

Nothing in what your pastor has said has proven the pastors were lying.

If someone accuses you for being a thief or a scammer because of the extravagant way you spend money and reports you to the police, the only way you can defend yourself is to provide proof of how you earn your money legally to show that you're not involve in any criminal activity whatsoever.

Now , the sacked pastors have said the reason for the sack was because the church told them that they were not generating enough income.

Since the accusation has to do with money, we expected your pastor to have directly address it by providing enough proof of how exactly the church makes its money to build those churches and also pay the pastors their salaries regularly so as to clear the church name that they never at anytime asked the pastors to bring new members for money.

Unfortunately, there's nothing in his address that has shown exactly how his church earn its revenue other than a very embarrassing attempt to pull the wool over people's eyes.

Or does winners chapel, print money secretly?

My opinion is that if your pastor believes he his doing good for the larger society through his church business he should have remain silent and allow people say whatever they want.

As for the pastors themselves, I think they were stupid for complaining. They can't pretend not to know what the person who employed them wanted them to do or not to know how the church makes money to pay their salaries.

Vivien458:
so what do you think?

I may only advise if I know why exactly you believe you under a curse.

The truth of matter is that if you're really under what you think is a curse you won't even know it except if someone else draws your attention to the fact based on what they have observed.
But you shouldn't just believe anyone who tells you that you're under a curse.

Curse or not you're the only one who has the power to change your situation. You just need to drop your fears

The pastors were sacked because the system which LFC operates is now working against them. More sacking is coming unless something changes. The church and the members continue to live in denial



Why would a Church registered as a non profit organisation employ pastors and put them on a fixed salary not allowances from
the irregular tithes and offerings given by the faithful? How does that make any sense to anyone?


I don't see how those pastors would have been sacked if their pastoring was voluntary.


Pastors who work or operate voluntarily in other churches do it wholeheartedly because they believe they were called by God and he, God, would provide what they need to survive as long as they continue to serve him.

This is what some of us, in the past, observed, knew and understood while growing up and attending churches .

These days everything keeps changing and people are getting confused

What I see in LFC is very close to how a ponzi scheme operates where Peter(the faithful) is being robbed to pay Paul (pastors) and when it becomes difficult to get any new "Paul" things start to crumble. Sacking of pastors and closing of churches starts to happen.

BTW when did we start having the words; pastors, employ, salary and sack in the same sentence? Is it that these Pentecostal churches are operating with a different Bible ?

I also like to ask , does church growth now means more members or the impact a few faithful members have on the larger society?

Has the statement "many are called but a few chosen changed to many are called but many must be chosen ?

Vivien458:
Please let's communicate if you can help out. I don't want scammers.

It may not be what you think. In other words ,you may not be under a curse.

Which of the God(s)?

Ishilove:
This is the reason why I wanted to see the letter before commenting. Church growth index is not the same as 'income generation' or whatever the heck was circulating on the internet.

How do you know church growth in winners chapel is not the same as "income generation" when the church has remained silent on the exact criteria used in determining this growth?

If you have any info as to what constitute church growth in that church please let the public know so that "heck circulating" on the Internet is stopped

pafra:
You keep calling "ramble" new found word?
You asked a question, I gave you an answer.

Will the reward of prosperity fall from God in heaven? Mr ramble

Angeles don't keep finances human keep finance. Do God have chief account? I am just human. May be you should tell me how

What is it you have said that has made any sense?

Nothing

pafra:
Money don't fall form from haven the the soul bring the money.

Should we leave the souls because they bring the money?
Or we forget the money because the soul bring the money?

Zeph: 1:17 : my city through prosperity will be spread abroad.

God don't through money from heaven.

It seems you like to ramble

If the main concern for the Church is the winning of souls and not money, why bother at all whether they the souls bring or don't bring money?

Why not focus on the job God has called you to do and let him reward you with prosperity

Or are you God's Chief accountant to take account of his finances ?

Lifestone:
If that guy is a true pastor, he won't drag the church to social media for ridicule. He knows his action won't bring back his job, but trying to embarrass the church which should ordinarily be his constituency. Where's Daddy Freeze today

The pastor dragged winners chapel to social media because he is an insider who knows exactly what goes on in that church that the public is not aware of.

BTW which other Pentecostal church in Nigeria you think would employ a pastor that was
openly disengaged by oyedepo who is seen as infallible by most, if not, all Pentecostal Christians

Except those pastor open their own church or find something else to do , their ability to fend for themselves and their dependents has been greatly jeopardized.

I don't think they were paid any disengagement benefit. If they were, then they should use the money to set up something for themselves. But I doubt if they were paid any

pafra:
When God called the pastor, did he calling him to winners?

He should go and prove his calling. It must not be in winners.

The aspects of money. Ask anyone that attends winner's they will nerve emphasis money.

Is the only church that don't put anyone under pressure to give.

If any church lack anything just apply once approved the money will be released.

Every winners church have monthly impress. It is sent at the beginning of every month.

All workers are under a central payroll. It is not the duty of the local assembly to raise funds in winner's.

It is a taboo for a local assembly to raise funds it is forbidden.

If the church wants to build church, school, land or any other project. It is not the responsibility of the local assembly no member of the church is under pressure to donate. The head quarters mobilize the contractor to site.

This church is just unique.

Winner's transfer pastor every 2 - 3 Years. It improves effectiveness. As for the pastor sack there is more to it

You just rambled without mentioning the exact source of your Church revenue

FODA:
may be the pastor failed in that aspect too sir ,there is no place in the letter where money is been mentioned ,but the man rush online to draw public attention ,if he is truly a pastor ,he will focus on his God given assignment not man given task ,most of them are only doing the job cos of the salary not because of soul .God will help us sir

If they were doing the job because of the salary as you have said above, then it means only one thing which I am sure you already know

This is for those defending the decision of winners chapel in sacking its pastors

What is the actual source of the money used in paying employed pastors in winners chapel? How does the church make money to pay its pastors? Is the money coming from God directly?

Answer the above questions honestly to wake up from your sleep .

MaxInDHouse:
Well there is no festival peculiar to what people do today in the lives of the early Christians!

Customs like Birthdays, Christmas, New Year, Easter, New Moon, Yam Festival, Valentine and so on do contribute largely to Racism and Politics in the human society!

What is racism?
Do you know the meaning? Or maybe you have your own definition because I fail to see how any of those you mentioned above contribute to racism.

If you think they do, please give instances of how

Image123:
You are so angry to imagine a white Jesus, to the point that you are deluded enough to say what i did not say. Did i say that Jesus or God was any colour? Stop the racism. It mistakenly spilled out of your heart but it needs to be uprooted.

If you have understood anything, the reference to the color of Jesus is just one example of implicit racism which the op discussed and it doesn't prove I am racist in anyway or against Jesus. Why are you reacting negatively if you have not mentioned or imagine a white Jesus

How am I racist if the colour of God or Jesus is not Known in the Bible? You head is not there at all. Trying to guilt trip me is a stupid gimmick which I won't fall for

I am sure a lot of people have read the topic but you the only one who has been displaying a lack of understanding Should it not worry you?

Your problem is that you don't know the difference between explicit and implicit racism. The op has already advised you to know the difference before participating in any discussion concerning racism. We are discussing implicit racism right now .So all your accusations are off

And sorry , you lack the awareness to know what has been done to you.

Next time make sure you understand very well a topic before commenting so as not to exposé your ignorance

MaxInDHouse:
What do you think i meant by "pagan customs and festivals"

What do you mean?

Image123:
You cannot come to the religion section of the forum and mention God and Jesus and say they are not the main point. They remain the main point for me and all i want to talk about. Without Jesus, every other thing is insignificant. It's a miracle that you cannot see that. i should advise you not to force yourself to reply. Like i earlier said, we are not on WhatsApp here, this is a public forum.
With all your "knowledge", you're still too racist to imagine God or Jesus being black or white. So shame.

You have not seen God or Jesus before and nowhere in the bible did we have a mention of their colour.
So tell me the reason for your anger if the op says there's a lot wrong with you when you imagine God or Jesus as white.

How did arrive at the conclusion that God and Jesus are white when it is not even mentioned in the bible.
Do you know that there are black Jews and that the lineage of Jesus is known to be black and not white. Well that's not what I am interesting in.
Just tell me from the bible how you got to know that Jesus or God is White

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is a complex issue that you need to study God's word diligently before you can figure it out.

For instance people promote racism through:
Pagan customs and festivals!
National Anthem and Pledge!
Politics!
Traditional laws!
Christians in the first century erased all these that's why the Jews kept persecuting the Christians because these are the weapons Satan is using to cause hatred among people!

Not true that people promote racism through pagan customs and festivals.

Infact when you regard your traditional African religion has pagan belief and by contrast foreign religion ( christhianity, Islam) as holy, you're implicitly contributing to racism.

Image123:
The OP says "any time you imagine that God or Jesus to be White, then there's a lot wrong with you." If you do not want people to talk about God or Jesus, then stop putting them in your OP and telling people that a lot of things are wrong with them, then act all worked up if people talk. Some of you would be worse than current dictators if you had the power. Did you buy the thread, see trouble ohh. If you feel so much for little reed, give him a call or go visit him, stop behaving like a sissy on a public forum. You are talking about racism but you have a problem with Jesus having a colour, is that not hypocrisy? Even a drunk has said on the thread that it matters not if His colour was green. But you are almost in a fit to hear people even IMAGINE His colour. If you do not understand your OP, stay on whatsapp and don't fool around the kitchen.

If the op is beyond your comprehensoin , then don't force yourself to comment

You have been exposing your ignorance and at the same displaying childish behaviour with all you have done here.


The reference to Jesus is not the main point of the issue under discussion. If you have failed to understand that ,then it's your problem to deal with.


Please I don't find any pleasure in engaging a religious zombie like you.
It should end now. Goodnight.

MaxInDHouse:
All what we find is a book written by people we don't know, they claimed it's the word of God, we study what's written, applied it and found out how perfectly it's working out.
Please what sense is there to start asking for the skin colour of those who penned down the writings or the characters?
If not because of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization and how they have used Jesus' counseling to catch people from all races and made them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, there is no reason why i should believe that book called Bible, because everything found written in the book can't be verified apart from the result as JWs practically applied it and it's working! James 2:18-26

Good that your group has been able to use the bible in a positive way. Happy it has worked for you.

But the discussion here is how we implicitly contribute to racism.

My reference to the colour of Jesus should be understood in the context of the op and not that I am against you practicing your religion

MaxInDHouse:
Who cares if he's green?

God's word said Jesus is the wonderful counselor {Isaiah 9:6} that we must listen to in order to produce fine fruits! Matthew 17:5

All i'm saying is that there is a man God sent to the world to help us eradicate racism, failure to adhere to his counseling will never bring people together rather you'll only end up creating more division! Luke 11:23

I'm sorry i only beleive in Jesus' words after studying it diligently, i've come to realize that this guy can save the world {John 4:42} i don't bloody care about his skin colour!

OK. The end justify the means then

orisa37:
Racism is routed in The Genes. God gives PREROGATIVES AND LAWS. OBEY THEM AND YOU WILL BE GLAD YOU DID.

How is it rooted in the Genes?

Image123:
Look in the mirror, you came looking for cure, i didn't. You're the one looking for and clamoring after appreciation. You're the one looking for help on God's colour. Pick up the mirror, you're the one. Don't feel so much like nothing.

The subject matter of the op is not to discuss the color of your God or Jesus but how we implicitly contibute to racism. If my reference has pricked you, then know that not everyone imagine God or Jesus as white.

BTW why jump in here to attack the personality of Lordreed? Where did that came from?

If you have issues with him before now, has your Jesus ask you to pursue him here.
Please don't derail the thread.

If you can't find any meaning in the op, please get something else to engage you

Image123:
Do you feel less appreciated by my post, do you need appreciation? Okay, i appreciate you. Read more of the Word of God as food, you will stop feeling unappreciated and needing to appreciate yourself using surveys.

You have a whole lot of issues to deal with. I am not your cure. Please find help elsewhere

Image123:
i should be asking you, you stated that "any time you imagine that God or Jesus to be White, then there's a lot wrong with you."

The answer is in the op

Image123:
Anything wrong with imagining God or Jesus to be black, i'm asking for a friend sorry friends, lol.

Why should you even imagine God or Jesus if it is real to you?