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Empiree:
see why I hate responding to you sometimes knowing you have mind of your own to say nonesense?

Relax bro. Your prophet was inconsistent here; he condemned a practice and later on approved it and you see no big deal about that. He cant be switching off and on like an electric current.

Empiree:
see another reason I hate replying you?. Where did I say "grave worship"?. I even translated "ziyara". When is visiting graves becomes "grave worship"?. Bro, who did this to you?. Graves visitation is worldwide phenomenon. Sample of that is annual 9/11 rememberance of the victims. Purpose of graves visitation in Islam is reflections and to make Dua for the dead.

The shia, till date, till worship at the grave of the prophets; it is part of their religious beliefs.

Empiree:
this is your opinion. How about those CHRISTIANs who visit graves, light candles and place cross on the graves and even bow their head for mins to reflect and to sobber?. Of what purpose they visit the graves when they recite Bible verses at the graves and even hired bishops or pastors?. Is that not for religious reason. Bro, stop being sentimental because of your irrational hatred for Islam. There are existing practices as I have explained earlier but those practices are 'contaminated' if I may use that word. Islam came to rectify or fix it properly. Another example is bowing down in sajda(prostrate with forehead touching the ground) in form of respect. It was never act of worship but act of respect throughout history of mankind. It is after Nabi Muhammad came he forbade muslims from doing that. But Hindus, alawo etc still preserve this tradition.

Stop this emotional blackmail. I debate against Islam, which is normal, just as thousands of Muslims debate against Christianity. It is a normal practice worldwide to condemn a belief system which you don't agree with, as long as you do it intellectually and not violently. I have no issue with visiting the grave of dead loved ones as long as there is no religious significance to it. As part of hajj, muslims visit and pray and the burial site of your prophet.

Empiree:
kindly visit your Old Testament that you have shamelessly abandoned or make use of when it is convenient for you. If you can't, I will just post a video that explains this for you. That's all

Show me where the Jews of the old testament visited kaaba, did tarfa and marwa, drank from the zam-zam water, kissed the blackstone, worshipped facing mecca, etc.

Empiree:
shaking my head.

Before Nabi Muhammad (saw) people (herbalist, Zoroastrians, kufar, Jews, nasara etc used to do ziyara (visitation to the graves). After Nabi Muhammad (saw) came and meccans accepted Islam he stopped muslims from doing ziyara and the reason was given. He later allowed muslims to do ziyara.

This shows Islam is all about mohammed. If mohammed condemn a thing today, as bad, muslims will condemn it too, then if he turns around and justify the same practice tomorrow, Muslims will adjust. You are making Mohammed to be equal to Allah.

Empiree:
Now the reason he stopped muslims from doing ziyara in this early stage of Islam was because he wanted muslims to be firm in the religion and to be able to discern legitimate activities allowed in Islam during ziyara from what they (herbalist, Zoroastrians, kufar, Jews, nasara etc) used to do during ziyara.

You are giving justification for evil. Under no circumstance is grave worship (or ancestral worship) justified. Remember in sahih Muslim, Mohammed used to pray in the cemetery. What makes Islam different form African paganism? The catholics also do it and call it 'the veneration of the saints'.

Empiree:
Note that both muslims and non muslims do ziyara till today but different intention. In Yorubaland, alawo still do ziyara and most often what they do there is against Islamic constitution. In Western world they too do ziyara by visiting graves and laying wreaths, candles etc. Sometimes they do things that are not in harmony with Islam. So you can see that visiting graves is the same whether by muslims and nonmuslims but their goals are different.

Islam borrowed a lot from existing cultures and practices, grave visitation inclusive. There is nothing wrong visiting the grave of a loved ones who had passed away but it is wrong to visit such site for a religious purpose and many Muslims visit the grave (shrine) of Mohammed as part of the hajj rituals.

Empiree:
So before advent of Prophet muhammad (SAW) nonmuslims (herbalist, Zoroastrians, kufar, Jews, nasara etc) used to make tawaf around the Kaaba because all prophets before him did tawaf. But after all these prophets the people already corrupted prophetic version of essence of tawaf and started doing things that are not allowed in the religion brought by their prophets but they kept intact tawaf itself (Circumambulation). So when Nabi Muhammad (saw) came he now rectified their mistakes. So that mistakes he condemned and rectified is what someone nonmuslims still do today in different versions. But correct tawaf which is in harmony with God is what Muslims are doing today. So when that herbalist said muslims are doing what alawo do, he forget that tawaf was always ordained by religion of Abraham (as) but alawo corrupted their version of tawaf but they still have white robe around themselves and go around their shrines like Muslims do at the Kaaba but the essence is different. But CHRISTIANs forgotten and abandoned all these practices in the old testament.

Understand now?

Can you provide any prove or citation that the Jews and the Christians were making tawaf around the Kaaba before the advent of Islam? It is NEVER on record that the Jews and Christians held kaaba of any religious significance, either during the pre-Islamic or current islamic era. History has it that the kaaba is a home to about 360 idols (allah inclusive) before Mohammed turned mecca and Medina into a mono-cultural society. Always tell the truth even when it is not convenient.

Empiree:
This one doesn't even understand anything. It is fruitless debating endlessly. I have no problem with the Hadith bcuz I understand.

Educate us what the hadith is talking about. It is not just saying 'I have no problem with the Hadith bcuz I understand' but telling us you own understanding of the context of the hadith. You have already said it all, the herbalist saw no difference between his experience in mecca and what he does traditionally at home.

Alajiki:
You're ignorant obviously. There are many more Muslims in Israel than Christians. Google is your friend.

Isreal is 20% Arabs and 80% Jews; and 98% Jews practice Judaism while about 95% of Arabs are Muslims. Your premise makes no sense; it will only make sense if 99% of Israelis are Jews.

Empiree:
High time we need to choose another word instead of "sacrifice" or "sacrificial animal". CHRISTIAN think Muslims do "ìrúbó" for sacrificing Rams on ileya. Alawo think Muslims do "ìrúbó" for making tawaf around Kaaba.


Some years back a man who was alawo supposedly "reverted" to Islam and went to Hajj. After returning from Hajj he coverted to his Yoruba religion. He said muslims are doing exact same thing alawo do by roping white sheet around themselves.


This man forgot that there are 3 types of people that go to Hajj. There are 3 types of beings present in spiritual realm during hajj.


The first are those who answer the call of nabi Ibrahim (as). This set of people are on seeratalimustaqeen.


Second are those who answer the call of shaytan. This set of people are a lot. This is where you see people go to Hajj but after they return their behavior get worse or they revert to kufr.


Third is the call of death. This is a set of people who die in hajj


Pasuma was once answered the call of shaytan because it was after he returned from hajj he released Òròbòkíbó

The herbalist was right; Islam and paganism are one and the same. The only difference is that the latter is well packaged with books, set of rules and theology while the latter is crude and traditional. The early Muslims supported the opinion of the herbalist, see hadith below:

Narrated Aswad: Ibn Az-Zubair said to me, "Aisha used to tell you secretly a number of things. What did she tell you about the Ka'ba?" I replied, "She told me that once the Prophet said, 'O 'Aisha! Had not your people been still close to the pre-Islamic period of ignorance (infidelity)! I would have dismantled the Ka'ba and would have made two doors in it; one for entrance and the other for exit." Later on Ibn Az-Zubair did the same.
(Sahih Bukhari 1:3:128)

Worship at the Ka’aba and the kissing of the Black Stone are just the first of many practices adopted from 7th century paganism and repackaged within monotheistic Islam.

Amujale:
Under what circumstance is it permitable for a bunch of unethical warmongers to be claiming to know anything about virtousness.

Instead of the Arabians to concentrate on apologising to Africans for all the looting, stealing, so-called 'holy war', that are infact part of the evil Arabian crusades of their recent past; they're there peddling falsity and fakery.

The Arab-muslims won't apologize because they are following the sunnah of their prophet, and his companions, who enslaved blacks and pillage other people's land and property all in the name of religion. If the arab-muslims apologize, they technically make their profit Mohammed guilty of war crime hence they will not.

AntiMahdi:
These guys operate deep inside the forest remote from the main expressway and usually will secure their victims first by trekking long distances deep into the thick forest.


Then there is the case of contacting the relatives of the victim(s) which will usually entail moving away from their remote camp to where they will secure a network connection and place their demands to the relatives.

After that, they will need to negotiate an agreed sum which will involve the relatives dropping the cash in another very remote area for their pick up team. They will only release their victims when they see both their money and their pickup guy at another remote location. Then there is the long trek back to the highway.

24hrs will not suffice if ransom was paid. I strongly believe they were released unconditionally.

You are highly experience.

Empiree:
this niggah here keeps getting angry at himself at all time let me console you small...kpele

He is saying nothing but the truth. Arab-muslims, using the quran and the hadith, invaded and destroyed Africa long before the imperial europeans came to africa.

Joshsage:
The end is near "lord jesus come quickly"

Already in Kenya; stop waiting and take the next flight to Nairobi.

Empiree:
as you can see muslim dominated core north and hover SW/SE

Do you still believe that there is only 1 version of the quran? Do you still believe that there are no changes in the quran and the quran is still the same as Mohammed dictated it to his sahabas? Do you still believe that there are no ayah missing in the quran? Do you still believe that that surah alfathiha is part of the 7th century quran? If you do, you have been scammed by the Arabs.

Empiree:
but why are you concern now after you already claimed population doesn't matter or not a proof?. Why are you now struggling to establish accurate data?. Take your protest to cia field office WosinTon

Islam dominates in Nigeria, period.

Let's keep to this issue: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections.

Empiree:
but why are you concern now after you already claimed population doesn't matter or not a proof?. Why are you now struggling to establish accurate data?. Take your protest to cia field office WosinTon

Islam dominates in Nigeria, period.

I am not concerned to establish which religion is the largest in Nigeria but the truth. If Islam is the largest religion in Nigeria it makes no difference in the current socio-political order. I am only interested in the truth and not in an unverifiable claim. When you provide information like 50% (Muslim), 40%(christian) and 10%(others) I can call that information an hadith because it is more of a gossip without any factual evidence to validate that claim. Where did they get the data to arrive at that 'accurate' figure? If you dont know just say 'I dont know'.

You said Islam dominate Nigeria, how? Your claim can be right if you say Islam dominate the core Northern states of Nigeria, being occupied by the Fulanis and the Hausas. You are talking as if you grow up in Ghana.

Empiree:
Story story... But if this data was attributed to muslim authority you would be different.

I am not interested in the body or organization that makes the claim but the source of the data used to reach the conclusion. A simple research methodology requires a data to draw an inference which CIA never did or never had. If you can provide the source data CIA used it will be better.

Empiree:
good news is you didn't dispute this fact. If it doesn't make sense then tell us which of the many CHRISTIANITIES is correct according to Jesus?

I have no time going back and forth on a statistic provided by the america's CIA. The fact is that religion is not included in our national census so I wonder where CIA get their estimated figure from. As I said earlier, it is a subjective conclusion that the demographics of Nigeria's religious affiliation is 50% (Muslims), 40% (Christians) and 10% (others). There is no any available data to validate this claim.

Empiree:
You like quoting fabricated and controversial stuff. Quran is the only authority. If Quran is saying A and Hadith is saying B, which do we believe?. Our methodology is we use Quran if hadith conflicts with it. Hadith can never sit in judgement over Quran laelae. So this are just stories written by people who had selfish interest. They would fabricate Hadith and claimed a companion or wife of prophet said it to make it sound reputable. What a load of crap!

I quoted sahih bukhari and sunnah ibn majjah and you said they are 'fabricated and controversial stuff'. So you are aware that your hadith is filled with 'fabricated and controversial stuff' but yet you keep quoting it to validate you points. This is called HYPOCRISY. Islam is filled with 'bait and switch' strategy, depending on the circumstance a muslim find himself. It is intellectually dishonest to validate an argument using a particular book, when it suits you, and call same book 'fabricated and controversial stuff'.

Empiree:
This is how you know it is fabricated. Look at the first which claimed goat ate copy of Quran . Which paper? Paper did not even exist. Quran was written on different fragments or particles which included bones. Paper was not one of them. Goat don't eat bones. Besides this story did not trace back to the prophet himself. And according to Bible, no one can tell story better except oneself. So only prophet muhammad (saw) could validate this but he didn't say anything about it.

Stop lying bro, there are papers during the time of Mohammed. It is called 'scroll' in the Jewish and the Arab world at that time and are not like the type of printing papers we have today. Uthman compiled the quran as a single book and sent 7 copies to difference provinces under Islamic rule. This project was concluded less that 40 years after to the death of mohammed (Sahih Bukhari vol. VI:509, 510).

Empiree:
Your Bible says in John 8:18 King James Version (KJV)

I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.


Which means only Allaah and prophet could validate this fake story but they didn't. So it is fake story. Not only that but the rest. I know how evangelical Christians work. They love quote trash.

if you can condemn your own hadith as being 'fabricated and controversial stuff', what legitimacy does Islam has as a true religion? Over 80% of Islamic teachings, laws and practices are in the hadith and not the quran. Thid should give you a course for concern.

Empiree:
there is only one version of Qur'an which is arabic Qur'an. Those different translated Qur'an are not versions but translations of the meaning of Qur'an. Those translated copies are not Qur'an.

Op is only being a clown and jealous.

Why are you talking as if you are not a true muslims? Haven't you heard of the Hafs, warsh, doori, etc quran? These are variants arabic qurans with differences. I have educated you on this before.

Empiree:
You can copy and paste trash as much as you want. Truth doesn't need to make noise to convince others. Truth manifested by statistics

Only empty religion makes the loudest noise despite their propaganda. As you can see from a statistic Christianity is going down in Nigeria like nose diving aircraft.

And in Sha Allah CHRISTIANITY will continue to go down no matter what Kumuyi does. No matter what Adeboye does. No matter what Oyedepo does. No matter what TB Joshua does. No matter what all those fake miracle pastors do, CHRISTIANITY will forever go down.

A false religion is bound to evaporate.


There is no need to engage you in back to back debate. Let truth speaks for itself. Ododo ti de iro pamo. Truth has come... Falsehood vanished.

So by your logic the higher the population the more real Islam is? This logic does not make sense.

Empiree:
Talk is cheap

Who guarded it, you or allah? Your Islamic source document always proove you wrong.

(Goat ate a copy of the quran)
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it (sunnah ibn Majjah 1944)

(verses of the quran cancelled)
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
For thirty days Allah's Apostle invoked Allah to curse those who had killed the companions of Bir-Mauna;
he invoked evil upon the tribes of Ral, Dhakwan, and Usaiya who disobeyed Allah and His Apostle. There was reveled about those who were killed at Bir-Mauna a Quranic Verse we used to recite, but it was cancelled later on. The Verse was: Inform our people that we have met our Lord. He is pleased with us and He has made us pleased.(sahih bukari 4:52:69).

Narrated Tawus:
Ibn 'Abbas said, "Allah's Apostle set out from Medina to Mecca and he fasted till he reached 'Usfan, where he asked for water and raised his hand to let the people see him, and then broke the fast, and did not fast after that till he reached Mecca, and that happened in Ramadan." Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "Allah's Apostle (sometimes) fasted and (sometimes) did not fast during the journeys so whoever wished to fast could fast, and whoever wished not to fast, could do so."

Narrated Nafi:
Ibn 'Umar recited the verse: They had a choice either to fast or to feed a poor person for every day, and said that the order of this Verse was cancelled.(sahih bukhari 3:31:169-170).

You claimed that your quran is 'perfectly preserved' but your hadith says otherwise. Who do I believe, you or your Islamic source documents? If you want more proves that your quran is not complete, i will do that for free.

EkunKekere:
Is that so?


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This special privilege is only for Allah's apostle. He can chose any woman he likes, violated his 4-wives rules and can select the most beautiful slave girls for himself (Safiya and mariyya). I will like to be Allah's messenger in my next life.

OLAADEGBU:
You've been exposed big time. I can now see why you put your neck on the line for this false prophet, it is because your pastor Chris got initiated by the false prophet and as a result brought you all into that covenant. A leader's sin is a leading sin.

You made you the judge? It is better not to promote rumours and gossips, especially by a learned person like you. I am not a fan of Oyakilome because, to me, he looks fraudulent.

budaatum:
First, True2god, you are correct. I do not write for my own consumption. I write to be understood by others and I happen to believe I'm good at it, at expressing myself at least. And I surely must have proofread it because in all honesty, only one single i is out of place. You might try and find it, and any others, which I hope you'd accept indicates my limitations.

I am buda. Very arrogant buda! And I want my limitations pointed out because I then get to see them and improve on them and become even more very arrogant buda. That said, I apologise for calling you ignorant. You aren't ignorant. Your response definitely was ignorant but you yourself are definitely not ignorant. I am sorry. Please accept my apology for calling you ignorant instead of your response which was an ignorant response to what you had not fully understood.

I happen to think that I conveyed a particular point, one that I myself claimed would not go down well with any ummah whoever she Is. I hinted I might be crucified for it for it is devil worship for some, which if you understood - unless we'd claim I foretold - would be rather ironic since your reaction was indeed the kneejerk reaction I predicted. I think you think I ought to parrot what others say lol so you can hear what you've always heard. Yet I see you have been at work on some past posts to know that buda is use buda own head arrogant buda, and not some use ummah head buda.

Could you, now that you've gone back and read a few of my posts, kindly pick a bit of what you say is "irrational" and "100% nonsense" and tell me how so? Let's see first if you understand at all.

Again, I, the very arrogant use own head buda apologise for being rude to you, I am sorry. Know that this was proofread 10 times and contains imperfections.

Apology noted and under consideration. You are great.

Rashduct4luv:
Is this even related to this thread? What does Bukharin 4;53;374 mean? Profit Mohammed?
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How many of his contemporaries called him a corrupt man? He was called Al-Ameen the trustworthy!
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It is related to this thread because we are talking about the so-called 'head-slammers', a.k.a the ummah. It was on record that Mohammed bribed some guys so that they can remain Muslims. We have it in the sahih bukhari that I provided in my last post.

I called him profit Mohammed because he profited a lot from his religious and political leadership in the old Arabia. He alone had 11 wives (and countless sexx slaves), he alone received 20% of war loots (Quran 8:1) and he also controlled the old yathrib and Mecca. Hence I called him profit Mohammed (peace be upon us).

You asked of his contemporaries that said he was corrupt, that's a nice question. Abu Jahl and Abu Suffyan saw him as very corrupt hence they continually antagonized him. The Meccans, the Jews and the Christians (in the old Arabia), also viewed him as corrupt. It was the legacy that he laid down that the rightly guided khalifs followed. Immediately after his death, Muslims started fighting apostates war, led by Abu Bakr. Many people left Islam because they believed nothing was for them again and they also refused paying zakat to Abu Bakr and Omar ibn kathab, hence they (Muslims) attacked.

After that war, another Islamic civil war started between the khalifs and the household of Mohammed which led to the massacre of the families of your prophet (hassan and Hussein were killed) by Muslims and the eventual division of Islam into the Sunnis (loyalists of Abu Bakr) and shia (loyalists of Mohammed's cousin cum son-in-law Ali Abdul-mutalib).

abdulsemiu02:
This is not a Quran verse sir. And if I may ask, when did it become a crime to mate with one's wife(s)?

The hadith of Bukari is the most valuable document after the Quran. You guys will use the hadith to defend Islam, when it suits you, but will deny the hadith when it doesn't. That's hypocrisy.

Rashduct4luv:
OK, God in human form yet he claimed he was sent by another God.

How can God die?

How can God not know the hour but claimed only the father knows?

Yes Jesus did miracles but not of his own accord. I have given you verses where Jesus ordered several killings.

Bye

Narrated Anas:
The Prophet said, "I give to Quraish people in order to let them adhere to Islam, for they are near to their life of Ignorance (i.e. they have newly embraced Islam and it is still not strong in their hearts." (sahih Bukharin 4:53:374).

You mean Mohammed have to bribe his people for them to stay in Islam? Bribery and corruption have been practiced for a very long time. I am not disappointed, it is not the fault of our great profit Mohammed.

Reference:
1. Nigeria National Moon Sighting Committe, Facebook page
2. Darul Ihsan, South Africa.


Misplacement of priority. Africa will surely remain backward with this type of stupidity.

budaatum:
Sometimes, instead of just admitting ones own ignorance and lack of understanding some will completely fail to take a dose of their own medicine and "ignore" what is way beyond their ability to comprehend and will claim it is others who are irrational.

Its a pity tru2. Thankfully, the person whom it is a response to has way more information on what has been an ongoing conversation over many threads and is not ignorant like you are.

Bro, what you wrote did not make sense. Don't try to make sense out of a nonsense. What you wrote up there is 100% nonsense and your ummah will accept the fact that your wrote nonsense.

Next time when you write, proofread your work and ensure that your audience are well communicated. You write for people to read and understand and not for your personal 'consumption'. I know you are intelligent but learn when people try to point out your limitations: don't be arrogant.

budaatum:
Context, and individual understanding, is what determines meaning. In particular contexts, "oh believers run" may mean "oh believers increase in your faith and think fast." You know this tingz. It's the only reason you'd even suggest it. I'm absolutely certain we'd argue if anyone interpreted it as "oh believers sit on your ass and refuse to use your brain". It's all about intention see. For scriptural interpretation to be right it has to abide by certain principles.

Let me try out an interpretation on you. Genesis 1:28 reads:

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Pretty straightforward you'd say. Now try this: Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground. And God will bless you.

Would you argue that my interpretation is not true or that that is precisely not how things actually work? Is it not true that if one does not "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground." No God will bless one? If you think not, you try it and see. It's however not how many see it though, with most thinking they can sit on their ass and feed on manna.

Let's try another more controversial one.

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

One would think eating the fruit of a tree of knowledge of good and evil ought to make one know what good and evil tastes like and help one know the difference between the two. But here is God allegedly stating that if you remain ignorant you will live. Imagine if I claimed that's not God speaking and what's happened here is:

A group among them have twisted their tongues with the book, that you may suppose it to be from the book. But it is not from the book. And they say, “It is from God,” though it is not from God. And they knowingly speak a lie against God. Sura 3:78

After all, we go on to read that they did not certainly die, and "when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Now tell, would you not claim I am advocating the worship of a snake?

Yet, hear Jesus himself stating:

"Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves. John 14:11

Essentially, if you can't believe what you read at least do not deny the evidence that is before your eyes.

So, let's check the evidence. Did Adam and Eve's eyes not open when they ate of the fruit of a tree of knowledge of good and evil so they saw they were naked? Did they die?

Now imagine I twist the meaning of words to such an extent to imply that Adam and Eve's eyes did not open and they died when they ate of the fruit of a tree of knowledge of good and evil, would I not be lying, or at the very least, be twisting God into my own ignorant understanding? Yet I bet you that's the understanding many get from the text, which if you doubt can be tested by posting this in the Christian section and watch how many stone me.

And yet here is Jesus parroting Satan and [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+82%3A6&version=KJV]Psalm 82:6[/url] saying:

is it not [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10%3A34-38&version=NIV;KJV]written in your law[/url], I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Sounds like what a snake said to me. Or is there no similarity between the above and "when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Or would one argue that one can be like God if one does not know what good and evil tastes like? Jesus sure went about opening [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+20%3A29-34%2CMark+10%3A46-52%2CLuke+18%3A35-43&version=NIV]eyes[/url] and teaching the difference between good and evil!

I've repeatedly pointed out to you, God did not write the Quran. The Angel Gabriel told the Prophet Mohammad who could not write who then recited it to his followers who eventually wrote it down on camel bones. You're going to have to forgive me for assuming a snake who could meddle with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden would not have meddled with whatever we may understand to be the Word of God. For in truth, that which we call God's Word is no better than mere mud until one breaths the breathe of understanding in to it. It is for us therefore to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil so we can determine the difference between the two or our understanding would be wonky to say the least and we remain stupid and ignorant and most certainly die!

As to what the fruit of a tree of knowledge of good and evil might be, I just love how Christ put it, or rather, my own interpretation of how Christ put [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+4%3A4&version=KJV]it[/url]:

Thou shalt not just accept one single view that some people give of things or one will be malnourished!

It's why we have brains tingz. And it's why I discuss with you too. For in all honesty, "use your brain" is what you are asking people to do in just about every post of yours that I've read and its why most treat you as we treat Jesus Christ. Except you yourself are not as smart in your doings thank God. Or we would have crucified you by now and made you god tingz!

Can you read what you just spend over 10mins to compose and type and see how irrational it is, all in a bid to defend a blind argument? At times it is better to ignore instead of creating an irrational rebuttal.

Rashduct4luv:
You see here we come again. The Jews do not believe in Jesus Christ and some claim Jesus was born out of wedlock while Mary remain a fornicator. If your God was omniscient/omnipotent why does he have to use one syllabus to save the people of the OT and then another syllabus to save the people from the NT? Was there a plan in place for the world's salvation before it was even created?

The disciples and the early church are all Jews who follow christ. This is a fact that even your fake quran acknowledged. There is no any theological material where the Jews claimed Jesus was born out of wedlock and the mother, a fornicator. These are common statement by atheist that are being parroted by some muslims. As I said earlier, the Bible talked about the new covenat that God will establish with his people in the similitude of the religios fashion of old (Judaism):

The Lord says, "The time is coming when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32 It will not be like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and led them out of Egypt. Although I was like a husband to them, they did not keep that covenant. 33 The new covenant that I will make with the people of Israel will be this: I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34 None of them will have to teach a neighbor to know the Lord, because all will know me, from the least to the greatest. I will forgive their sins and I will no longer remember their wrongs. I, the Lord, have spoken."(Jeremiah 31:31-34, the prophet Jeremiah's prophesy)

But God finds fault with his people when he says, "The days are coming, says the Lord, when I will draw up a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 9 It will not be like the covenant that I made with their ancestors on the day I took them by the hand and led them out of Egypt. They were not faithful to the covenant I made with them, and so I paid no attention to them. 10 Now, this is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel in the days to come, says the Lord: I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 11 None of them will have to teach their friends or tell their neighbors, "Know the Lord.' For they will all know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 I will forgive their sins and will no longer remember their wrongs."(Hebrews 8:8-12, Paul's reference to the prophesy).

This prophesy laid the founation for the new convenat christian era.

Rashduct4luv:
When we claim Islam was a continuation of the religion of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Elisha,...you rejected the theory!
Now you are here claiming Christianity is the new Judaism.
The old meccan worship Idols. Which idol do Muslims worship? Discuss the principle of Tawheed as related to the meccan idol worshipers?

Islam is the new testament of the old meccan religion rooted in idolatry and stone worship. There are many reference to stone veneration by the old meccan polytheist and the stone in kabba is one of it. Remeber, the hindu also have a stone-like sturcture which they worship and they also, like the Muslims, run around their shrine 7times. And you know what, this Hindu practice is 1000s of years older than Islam. The meccans does not belive in the principle of tawheed and one of the gods the worship is Allah (who has 3 daughter, Al-Uzza, Al-Lat and Menat,Sura 53:19–22).

So Islam is only the continuation and a repackaged religion of the meccan polytheist, making Allah the sole god of Islam and appropriating Jewish prophets as Muslims.

Rashduct4luv:
Hypocrisy at it's peak. Blood atonement with animals was common in the OT. Singing. dancing and clapping was also from the OT. Jesus was never recorded singing. clapping and dancing. Psalm 23 was not from Jesus. But Christians use all these freely as you believe they are means to your Bible God.
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But when it's Muhammad or Islam. you put on your hypocritical garment.

You are right. Christianity is the new testament of the old Jewish religion while Islam is the new testament of the old meccan polytheist and idol worship. We are saying the same thing but from different angle.

I always love this picture:

malvisguy212:
meaning Muhammad copy it form them.

Yes, Mohammed copied so many current Islamic practices from the meccan polytheist and garnished Islam by trying to identify Islam with the Jewish and the Christian religions.