Empiree: which Book and which "people of the book"?. Does this include chinco Bible which is missing some books of Mathew etc?. Chinco no dey last, you know
You mean my Bible is Tecno while your Quran is the IPhone.
AbuTwins: Muslim translators are honest as much as possible. We do not judge them as they translate based on the knowledge available to them at a particular given time. They are sometimes faced with the problem of choosing one English word to reresent an Arabic word with several English meaning. Of cos his name was mentioned.
You are not honest at all, I don't mean to insult you. How can you justify the impostion of Islamic bias into the translation of the quran and you defended this evil by escusing this falsehood by claiming 'We do not judge them as they translate based on the knowledge available to them at a particular given time'. Are you saying that the Arabic manuscript available for the translation, to MUHSIN KHAN, was different from what Yusuf Ali, Picktail, Sahih International, etc, have? Why do you even need to quote an obviously biased quranic tranlsation to defend your claim? Do you accept or reject this bad quranic translation you quoted?:
MUHSIN KHAN So if you (O Muhammad SAW) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, [i.e. that your name is written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] then ask those who are reading the Book [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it). S. 10:94-95.
AbuTwins: There is a difference between a Prophet and a Messenger in Islam. This is the third time i am asking you the definition of Prophet according to your religion.
A prophet is an individual who is regarded as being in contact with a divine being and is said to speak on that entity's behalf, serving as an intermediary with humanity by delivering messages or teachings from the supernatural source to other people. The message that the prophet conveys is called a prophecy. Prophet predict the future and warn people of dangers or blessing ahead.
AbuTwins: Islam says the original books given to Moses, David, Abraham and Jesus are lost. All what we have today are attempts by men to write down from hearsays...
Luke 1:1-3 New International Version (NIV) 1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus.
If you say the Torah and Injil, according to muslims ONLY, is lost, we can as well hold allah accountable for deceit who said, in the quran, that he will preserve his words (since allah aknowlegded the torah and the injil and his words). If allah cannot protect his words, then mohammed is either lying or allah does not exist.
The Qur'an says that God promises to preserve the remembrance in Surah 15, Verse 9. Also we see that the Torah and Gospel were referred to as remembrance and this is supported by appealing to Surah 16:43, 21:7, 21:48, 21:105 and 40:53-54. Therefore, Surah 15:9 is indirectly, yet clearly stating that the Torah and Gospel have also been preserved.
And We did not send before you anything other than men, to whom We revealed, and [sent] not angels: 'So ask the followers of the Remembrance, those knowledgeable in the Torah and the Gospels; if you do not know', that, then they know it, and you are more likely to believe them than the believers are to believe Muhammad (s), (Tafsir al-Jalalayn; source; bold and underline emphasis ours)
[We sent them] with clear signs (bi'l-bayyinat is semantically connected to an omitted [verb], namely, We sent them with clear arguments, and the Books and We have revealed to you the Remembrance, the Qur'an, that you may make clear to mankind what has been revealed to them, therein, in the way of [what is] lawful and unlawful, and that perhaps they might reflect, upon this and take heed. (Source; bold and emphasis ours)
(And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee) O Muhammad (other than men) human beings like you (whom We inspired) with commands and prohibitions and signs. (Ask the followers of the Remembrance) the followers of the Torah and the Gospel (if ye know not!) that Allah always sent human messengers. (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs; source; bold and underline emphasis ours)
(With clear proofs) with commands, prohibitions and signs (and writings) the events of the scriptures of the people of old; (and We have revealed unto thee the Remembrance) We have sent Gabriel with the Qur'an (that thou mayst explain to mankind that which hath been revealed for them) that with which they were commanded in the Qur'an, (and that haply they may reflect) upon what they were commanded in the Qur'an. (Source; bold and underline emphasis ours)...QURAN 16:43-44.
So who do I believe? Allah who said he will preserve his words or Muslims who claim that Allah's words have been lost or corrupted by the Jews and the Christians?
AnanseK: Read my comments again. You are clutching at a straw. Enemies of Islam have tried for 1400 years. The recitation and tone differences between the various qira’as is well known and fully understood, they do not change the meaning of the messages of the Quran.
I suggest that you concentrate on the moral rehabilitation of the sex offending Pastors and the hundreds of swindlers running the so called miracle churches and crippling the gullible. Rape is now the most common uniting feature of these churches rarther than morality preaching and respect for human and spiritual values.
You are deverting like your brother Empiree. The guy recited various contradictory ayah but you never bothered to discuss any of the concern he raised, rather you attack me and the church. I will not like to be diverted into another issue but the contradictions in different quranic readings (the Hafs, the warsh, the Doori, etc.). If you cant defend your quran no one will beat you, just be honest.
Empiree: citing 1400years+ and comparing to 2019?. Bro, where is your sense?
no, your comparison was not on point. Aisha married a MAN.....MALE....MALE, Jerome.
For the record, I am 1000% against homosexuality. I am shocked to read your comment that what Mohammed did 1400 years is no longer valid. You have to discard the sunnah of your prophet if you cannot abide by his sunnah, since mohammed is your perfect man. See this video by your sheikh that validated prepubescent marriage in Islam.
At first I didn’t bother but I did because you insisted. I have seen the desperation of a Christian extremist ( calling Islam satanic religion) to find faults or contradictions in the Quran but he failed.
For those who don’t know arabic they may think it’s a big deal when somebody in the process of writing says “at” Mecca instead of “in” Mecca is presented as a great discovery of the millennium .
You have a big problem finding different editons of the Quran, you will never succeed.
I am not sure you watched the 2 videos. You didn't bother to refute the inconsistencies he pointed out but only an off point (a straw-man) that you decided to hold onto. Can you please refute the contradictions he highlighted in the warsh and hafs qurans?
AbuTwins: MUHSIN KHAN So if you (O Muhammad SAW) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, [i.e. that your name is written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] then ask those who are reading the Book [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it). S. 10:94-95
true2god: And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers. S. 10:94-95 Pickthall
AbuTwins: MUHSIN KHAN So if you (O Muhammad SAW) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, [i.e. that your name is written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] then ask those who are reading the Book [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it). S. 10:94-95
So you can see how the second translator, MUHSIN KHAN, is being very disingenous by including, in bracke, the statement '[i.e. that your name is written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). This gives his translation a completely different meaning by falsely insinuating that the name of Mohammed is written in both the Torah and the Injil. Can Muslims be honest for once?
AbuTwins: Lot was a Prophet in Islam. A Prophet is one who is sent to a believing people with the sharee’ah of the Messenger who came before him, to teach them and judge between them, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
In order words, a prophet do not need to give any prophesy, accordingly to Islamic standard. This is a lie and a complete misrepresentation of the office of prophethood. Aside warning people, a prophet foresees the future and gives an accurate prediction of future events. If Islamic prophets, who are all in old Jewish holy text, (except the false prophet Mohammed) give prophecies, then Islamic is a pack of lie and a confused religion which believed every Biblical character, with relatively good record, is a prophet.
AbuTwins: “Verily, We did send down the Tawraat (Torah) [to Moosa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allaah’s Will, judged for the Jews”
[al-Maa’idah 5:44]
So the Prophets of the Children of Israel judged by the Tawraat which Allaah had revealed to Moosa.
Answer the Questions please.
Where is the Torah? I mean the original versions given to Moses? Allah is an Arabian God but Muhammad claimed brotherhood with Noah, Abraham, Jesus, and other Prophets? Who is a Prophet according to your scriptures since you now claim not to be an atheist?
If you reject the Torah we have today, it is for the muslims to provide the original copy. If you give me a fake 1000 naira bill, it is my duty to reject the bill and prove to you that you gave me a fake bill by bringing out an original one. It is not rational for one to reject an evidence without providing a counter evidence. No sense in that.
true2god: Watch these two videos and learn. Stop living in the Utopian world of 'all quran are the same dot for dot and letter for letter', that is a lie and you are being deceived and brainwashed. The Arabs understand better than you.
AnanseK: Method of reading doesn’t change the text. English translations do not replace the arabic text which remains intact.
You really don’t have a point.
Watch these two videos and learn. Stop living in the Utopian world of 'all quran are the same dot for dot and letter for letter', that is a lie and you are being deceived and brainwashed. The Arabs understand better than you.
AnanseK: Which book are you talking about? There has been at least 100 different editions of the Bible over the years and one wonders which people of which book you are talking about.
Do you know that we have about 7 quranic arabic variants/readings (the hafs, the doori, the warsh, etc) and over 20 English translations? And do you think they are all 100% the same in text and meaning? Do your research and stop sounding ignorant on the cyber space.
AbuTwins: You behave sometimes like an atheist. Then at other times like a Christian. So let's say you are an atheist Christian.
Once again i will ask:
Do the People of the Book have a definite definition for a Prophet, Messenger or simple Cleric?
Anyways! In Islam He is a Prophet sent by Allah to the People of Sodom as seen in the first paragraph of the post. You can also see the bolded verses from post. Which people of the Book are we to ask? And are we to ask them if pure water is colorless?
Allah is an arabian god and Mohammed only incorporated previously written stories in the Torah, the injil, the sabura and the talmud into the quran. You cannot tell me that a recycled story (the quranic version) is more authentic than the original version (Torah). I am not an atheist but I use my brain. Lot is never a prophet bro.
AbuTwins: Do the People of the Book have a definite definition for a Prophet, Messenger or simple Cleric?
Anyways! In Islam He is a Prophet sent by Allah to the People of Sodom as seen in the first paragraph of the post. You can also see the bolded verses from post. Which people of the Book are we to ask?
And are we to ask them if pure water is colorless?
You should throw that question to allah and his messenger who asked you to validate quranic revelation from the previous scriptures given to the people of the book.
And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers. S. 10:94-95 Pickthall
You dont need to argue with me but humbly seek clarification. Modern-day muslims are so arrogant and disobedient. Lot is not a prophet. Can you tell me the prophecy he made?
I do not subscribe to this Sheikh analogy with respect to return of Jesus and Gulam Ahmad, but his message is understandable. Mirza Gulam Ahmad was a liar. His followers are misguided.
Are you OK? Why do you trick me to watch a pointing finger? Take your time oooo.
Moventist: Let’s talk RUGA aka Fulani Cattle Colonies
The Buhari Administration has commenced construction of Cattle Colonies, rebranded “RUGA” in 36 States of Nigeria. The project has started in Kotongora, Niger State on a 31,000-hectare piece of land. The project will be initially replicated in 12 States with six (6) of such colonies to be constructed in each State.
What is RUGA aka Cattle Colony?
RUGA or Cattle Colony is a SETTLEMENT for Fulani Herdsmen, their families and cattle/livestock. It will contain ranches, grass or feed farms, abattoirs, dairy, meat and skin/leather processing plants, housing, religious houses, schools, roads, power and water supplies and the complete range of infrastructure required to support and sustain an ultra-modern local government area .
Okay, lets talk now
FACTS FIRST.
1. Taking a cue from the first RUGA in Kotongora in Niger State, the land size or landmass of each RUGA is at least 31,000 hectares of land or 310 SQUARE KILOMETERS. That is the size of an average Local Government Area (LGA) in many States in Nigeria. The average size of an LGA in the South East is 331 sqkms and in the South West, 574 sqkm. Lagos State has the least average LGA size at 179 sqKm, Imo State has average LGA size of 205sqkm, Akwa Ibom State – 229sqkm, Anambra 231sqkm and Osun State has average LGA size at 308 sqkm just to mention a few. At 310 sqkms in size, a RUGA or Fulani Cattle Colony is the size of a Local Government Area in Nigeria.
2. Buhari’s RUGA aka Fulani Herdsmen Cattle Colony is an exclusive settlement for Fulani Herders and their families.
3. Buhari’s RUGA program will establish six (6) such exclusive Fulani settlements in each of the thirty-six (36) States in Nigeria. In the result, at completion of the program there will be two hundred and sixteen (216) new exclusive Fulani Local Government Areas in Nigeria.
4. Nigeria has seven hundred and seventy-four (774) LGAs decreed in the Military Decree falsely called Nigerian Constitution 1999. Nigeria is ruled by Military Decree imposed by force of arms. Nigeria has had no agreed Constitution made by the people since the Military abrogated the Independence Constitution. Let’s leave the Constitution fraud for another day.
5. The current population of Nigeria is about two hundred million, eight hundred and twenty-eight thousand and eight hundred and twenty-four (200,828,824) people as at 26 June 2019. Given the fact in “4” above, the average population of a Local Government Area in Nigeria is roughly two hundred and sixty thousand (260,000) people.
6. Given the facts in “3” and “5” above, Buhari’s RUGA program on completion is projected to increase the Fulani population in Nigeria by FIFTY-SIX MILLION, ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND (56,160,000) Fulanis. There about Thirteen Million (13,000,000) Fulanis in Nigeria presently which is 6.3% of Nigeria’s population according to CIA Factbook on Nigeria. In effect, Buhari’s RUGA program on completion will see Nigeria with a projected total Fulani Population of SIXTY-NINE MILLION, ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND (69,160,000), 4.32-fold increase in population.
7. The implication of “7” above is that at the completion of Buhari’s RUGA program, the Fulani will have arguably become the most populous nationality in Nigeria (in todays population figure terms) having outgrown the Hausa (25.1% or about 50.4 Million), the Yoruba (21% or about 42.2 Million) and the Igbo (18% or about 32.2 Million). In one fell swoop the Fulani becomes the majority nationality in Nigeria. The Tripod balance in Nigeria becomes quad-legged.
8. It is fact that Buhari has himself stated that Fulani Herdsmen Terrorists who are engaged in massacres and pillage in Nigeria are not Nigerian citizens. In other words, the Fulani herders are alien non-Nigerians. Governor El Rufai of Kaduna State has also said about the same. Several powerful sources in Nigeria have repeatedly confirmed that the Fulani herders causing mayhem in Nigeria are aliens from across West and Central Africa. Nigerians are generally agreed that the Fulani herders and terrorists engaged in land grab and terrorist activities in Nigeria are non-Nigerians from West and Central Africa.
9. It is also fact that the advent of Buhari’s RUGA program or Fulani Herdsmen Cattle Colony program was preceded by increased Fulani Herdsmen Terrorist activity and land grab in the Middle Belt and elsewhere in Nigeria. It was also preceded by militant advocacy by Miyetti Allah for grazing routes and grazing reserves to be established in the Middle Belt and Southern States of Nigeria in particular. Without doubt, Buhari has himself pronounced the fact that his RUGA or Fulani Cattle Colony program is meant to resettle the Fulani Herdsmen and satisfy the demands of Miyetti Allah!
10. Nearly all States from the Middle Belt to Southern Nigeria vehemently rejected the Buhari Fulani Cattle Colony program and refused to allocate land in their states as demanded by Buhari. Notwithstanding that rejection of the Cattle Colony Program, Buhari opted to rebrand the program as RUGA and to instead, to use existing Federal Government owned land in the States.
11. It is also a fact that in addition to FGN owned land in the States, Buhari has sponsored an Executive Bill in the National Assembly to enable the FGN to acquire all rivers and their river- banks in Nigeria. Nigerians view Buhari’s Rivers/River-bank acquisition Bill as a consistent and integral part of his RUGA/Fulani Cattle Colony land grab.
Implications of the facts of RUGA/Fulani Cattle Colonies program.
The first and immediate question arising from Buhari’s RUGA/Fulani Cattle Colony program is why, by what justification, and on the basis of which law of Nigeria would Buhari undertake such massive immigration and resettlement of foreigners (West and Central African Fulanis) in Nigeria and on indigenous Nigerian lands. Certainly neither Nigerian Immigration law nor ECOWAS laws permit non citizens to enter Nigeria without passports. Why would Buhari pursue such a most expensive massive immigration program to import and resettle more than 59 million foreigners on Nigerian lands at a time Nigeria I already over-populated and searching for effective means of population control?
When the World’s most powerful country, USA is building a wall on its Mexican border to stop a flow of only a few hundred thousand refugees, Buhari does the opposite by throwing Nigerian Northern borders open and using Nigerian tax payers funds to invite and fund more than 59 million foreign Fulani for resettlement on indigenous lands at a time Nigerians are in hunger, penury and hunger.
There is no refugee problem or war in West and Central Africa that could be said to instigate such massive immigration of African Fulanis to Nigeria. Even so, refugees are usually provided temporary shelter in camps, not permanent settlement and such refugee programs are at the costs of the United Nations .
These Buhari foreign Fulanis are not refugees. These foreign Fulanis are in Nigeria in contravention of Nigerian Immigration Laws. So why is Buhari seeking to forcefully legitimise and resettle illegal immigrants on indigenous lands of Nigerians? Why do these Buhari foreign Fulanis carry AK47 and other military grade weapons freely and openly across the borders of Nigeria and all over the States of Nigeria.
Even so, why have Nigerian Army, Police and Security Services failed and or refused to enforce Nigerian gun laws against these Fulanis? The Fulani Herdsmen Terrorists, Bandits/Kidnappers are known to have been engaged in terrorist activity all over Nigeria and continue to do so.
Why is Buhari rewarding terrorists and criminals with resettlement on Nigerian indigenous lands? Why would government reward terrorists rather than prosecute them? Above all why would terrorists be resettled on the lands of other indigenous nations of Nigeria? Why is Buhari bent of introducing whole 6 new Local Government Areas full of terrorists in States of other indigenous nations of Nigeria? Why would any state or nation accept such terrorist communities of foreign hostile citizens?
The nationality question
Nigerian nations have boiling unresolved nationality questions. It is not only provocation of the most insensitive and inhumane nature for Buhari to seek to introduce exclusive Fulani LGAs into native lands of other indigenous nations of Nigeria. RUGA/Fulani Cattle Colony introduces and creates 6 new exclusive Fulani LGAs in every State of Nigeria.
By implication indigenous Nigerian Nations are compelled by Federal Presidential power to have the Fulani who are alien to their lands to inherit and permanently retain part of their indigenous land as Fulani homeland. Imagine 30 Fulani LGAs planted strategically all over the South East, or 36 of such LGAs scattered strategically all over Yorubaland or in the Middle Belt and South South?
Would Buhari create exclusive Igbo or Yoruba or Ijaw or Idoma or Efik or Ibibio or Urobo or Tiv LGAs in Sokoto, Kano, Zamfara etc? If not why would Buhari pursue RUGA/Fulani Cattle Colonies program against the objections of States of the Middlebelt and Southern Nigeria?
Discrimination comparable only to Apartheid
The Fulani Exclusiveness of RUGA and the use of Federal Funds to build whole new ultra-modern LGAs with facilities not available to the other LGAs of the natives or indigenous Nigerians is nothing short of APARTHEID! Apartheid is impermissible and unacceptable in Nigeria.
Religious, way of lif, governance and socio political implications
RUGA/Cattle Colony is an LGA. With the herdsmen come their families and the full facilities of human settlements. Being exclusively Fulani, therefore the LGA becomes exclusively Moslem.
The LGA must come with Mosques for worship. With the LGA being exclusively Islamic, comes Sharia Courts and Sharia Law, along with Sharia police within the LGA in order to meet the religious and way of life needs of the settlers.
With it comes the need for Emirs or District heads. In one fell swoop suddenly each State in the South East, South South, South West, Middle Belt and other Christian and animist nations, must necessarily legitimise Sharia Law given 6 Sharia LGAs in their States. Inevitably Sharia Law must then be declared and recognised in all States of Nigeria. And boom, Nigeria has become a Sharia country!
Along with Sharia law becoming operational in all States of Nigeria follows Emirates being declared in those States and then demands for more Sharia LGAs and more land and then claims of right to govern the States and so on and so forth!
Legitimate Fulani rights innevitably arise to demand that each State of Nigeria make provisions to accommodate their language whether Fulfude or Hausa in the State Schools and public media broadcasts. The demand for both Sharia Law and dual language in each State of Nigeria would be perfectly legitimate. Why not?
A new ethnic group in Imo State for instance that has 6 LGAs as its homeland plus the original 27 LGAs, would certainly be entitled to have their own language accommodated in Imo Schools and public broadcasts. They will be entitled to vote and be voted for. They will be entitled to have their Sharia Courts and facilities must be dualized to accommodate them and their different way of life. Why not? Are they not also Imolites? After all they have 6 LGA homelands in Imo State. The same must unavoidably happen in all other States in Nigeria where RUGA is implemented, except in Northern States that are totally Sharia Statess.
Their Emirs must seat in the Imo House of Chiefs or traditional rulers and when it becomes one of their turns, an Emir will become the Head of the Imo Council of Ezes! Same must inevitably happen in all relevant States in Nigeria.
In effect, every State in Nigeria suddenly must as a legitimate necessity double up language, culture, judiciary, governance, traditional leadership and all aspects of their lives with the Fulani.
This must be what former President Obasanjo foresaw and accurately described as Fulanisation and Islamisation of Nigeria.
Will Buhari create Igbo and Yoruba Customary Law Courts in Sokoto, Kano, Katsina and in all Northern Moslem States of Nigeria? If not, why not?
Will Buhari also set up a RUGA for the Igbo, Yoruba, Ijaw, Idoma and all other tribes of Nigeria so that Nigeria can be “Igbonised”, “Yorubanised”, “Ijawnised”, “Idomanised”, “Tivinised”, “Ibibionised”, “Edonised”, “Igbiranised”, “efikinised”, “urobonised” and “all kind of nized” with all etnic groups in Nigeria and Christianised and ” animistinized” ?
RUGA/Fulani Herdsmen Cattle Colony is outright declaration of Jihad! It won’t work without declaration of war against the indigenous nations of Nigeria and defeating them in a war of conquest!
In RUGA/Fulani Herdsmen Cattle Colonies, his Rivers & Riverbanks Bill and support for and protection of Fulani Herdsmen Terrorists plus romance and collaboration with Miyetti Allah, Buhari is directly and indirectly making and levying war against Nigeria .
RUGA/Fulani Herdsmen Cattle Colony program is the largest illegal migration in human history in terms of its size. It is unprecedented. It is also the greatest Jihad by stealth being executed through abuse and misuse of Presidential power and privillage to not only attempt to permanently enforce Fulani Caliphate colonisation of Nigeria, but also carry out eventual fulanisation and islamisation of Nigeria without open declaration of war against the indigenous nations of Nigeria.
Every indigenous Nigerian has a duty to resist this Buhari Jihad. Any indigenous nation that accepts RUGA is already on their way to extinction from the face of the earth before they realise it. Ask the Housa Kingdoms of the North or the nations of the Middle Belt that have had to live a life of endless wars of self preservation against the Fulani Caliphate perpertual Jihad.
Nnamdi Elekwachi
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Rashduct4luv: Quote the hadith! Let's point out your error together.
Narrated Abu Hurairah:
that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "The Jews split into seventy-one sects, or seventy-two sects, and the Christians similarly, and my Ummah will split into seventy-three sects."(Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2640)
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:
that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "What befell the children of Isra'il will befall my Ummah, step by step, such that if there was one who had intercourse with his mother in the open, then there would be someone from my Ummah who would do that. Indeed the children of Isra'il split into seventy-two sects, and my Ummah will split into seventy-three sects. All of them are in the Fire Except one sect." He said: "And which is it O Messenger of Allah?" He said: "What I am upon and my Companions."(Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2641)
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.(Sunan Abi Dawud 4596)
Abu `Amir al-Hawdhani said:
Mu`awiyah b. Abi Sufiyan stood among us and said: Beware! The Apostle of Allah (ﷺ) stood among us and said: Beware! The people of the Book before were split up into seventy two sects, and this community will be split into seventy three: seventy two of them will go to Hell and one of them will go to Paradise, and it is the majority group. Ibn Yahya and `Amr added in their version : “ There will appear among my community people who will be dominated by desires like rabies which penetrates its patient”, `Amr’s version has: “penetrates its patient. There remains no vein and no joint but it penetrates it.”(Sunan Abi Dawud 4597)
Rashduct4luv: Whence do thou get this classifications? The hadith simply urges us to be of the Paradise seekers by shunning innovations and sticking to the Sunnah of the Prophet. And this is also true for all Prophets.
All those who follow the ways of Moses during his time will enter paradise. All those who follow the ways of Jesus during his time will enter paradise. All those who follow the ways of Noah during his time will enter paradise. All those who follow the ways of Abraham during his time will enter paradise. All those who follow the ways of Solomon during his time will enter paradise. All those who follow the ways of other Prophets during their time will enter paradise.
Provided they died on that path of Submission(Islam).
How can you confirm that the sect you are following is the genuine one among the 73 sects? The fact still remains that, statistically, you have just 1.4% assurance that you are following the right kind of Islam that qualifies you for paradise. And as you know, 1.4% is never a pass mark in any exam and since you belong to one of the 73 sect, it is a very risky venture.
Rashduct4luv: Please stop all this off points. We know the hadith and we know those who the Prophet said would go to hell. Mind your business please.
This does not nullify the fact that the probability that you are on the right path of Islam is 1/73 or 1.4%, according to your prophet. And as a black man (Yoruba man or so), the probability will be lower (like 0.5%) because black Muslims are regarded as fake. What sect among the 73 do you belong to? And remember, you are the lowest in the Islamic pyramid that are given in the order below:
Arabs (the chosen people of allah) # Pakistanis (the conquered people for allah) # Indians (the conqured people for allah under the Hindus) # Eastern European muslims (the confused people for allah) # Black Muslims (the confused or conquered people for allah)
iamgenius: You're not alone, Atheists, Buddhists, Sikh, etc
Your prophet said that Islam will be fragmented into 73 sect but only one sect will follow the right path? This is to say that the probability that you are following the true form of Islam is 1/73 or 1.4%. See this phenomenon explain by your Muslim brother below:
When writing in ENGLISH how come Moslems still insist on putting ALLAH? Why not simply use the English word for Allah and put GOD anywhere Allah comes up?
This is another pointer to the deception of Islam.
It is because allah is another god. If a Yoruba man want to say the shahada, he might say 'there is no god but IFA and O'dua is his messenger'. Allah, just like IFA, is a deity in Yoruba traditional religion.
Their issue is as simple as 123. I have a friend who is also an Ahmadi whom I told that their ideology is Kufr. No one has ever told him that before. Then I explained everything to him, then he said if all what I said is what makes them Kaafir then he's not with them in all those things. He rejected all their claims totally after I explained it to him. It will be a mistake for me to call him a Kaafir because he still go to their circle. Maybe bcoz of his parents I guess.
I have another friend too who is one of their Imams in one of their mosques. I explained things to him with the best of my ability and with the support of others too. Wallahi, he didn't just want to hear or understand whatever we say. So we label him a Kaafir coz we can see the arrogance in him. Cuz he had seen the proof right in front of his face.
I don't agree with people calling everyone a Kaafir, coz not everyone knows what take them out of Islam. So if we see anybody that calls himself a Muslim and he's doing something that take him out of Islam, we should explain to him first rather than calling him a Kaafir from the beginning. Example is Mr Habeeb of Markaz
And also, you bringing the "khatam Nabiyin" up, that didn't justify their misunderstanding. It directly shows they understood what Khatam Nabiyin means, except they don't understand Arabic which I know they do. Anybody with the Ahmadiyyah belief is a Kaafir, there's nothing less than Kufr in it.
Note: The above doesn't apply to Christians, Jews, Atheists etc. They're Kaafir ni.
sagenaija: Language can change over time. Words can equally acquire new meaning over time. However, whatever new meaning or change that results must be clear.
When the Palestinian Christian says:"Allahu Akber" and Moslem jihadist says about the same words, do they mean the same thing?
I want to believe that even when the Palestinian Christian used the word "Allah" he believes that he is referring to the Father of the Lord Jesus. Will the Palestinian Moslem think the same? Do they both believe that the Father and Son are Allah?
If the polytheist in Mohamed's day mentioned "Allah" would he and Mohamed be referring to the same personality?
Now, I want you to answer this: In your shahada do you say: "There is no God but Allah ...." or "There is no Allah but Allah"?
Your response:
Empiree: everything he says will always make sense to you nonmuslims because you are in the same category. There are now evidences against him to extricate him out of Islam. He can go away in peace. We don't need his explanation.
If you read your response you will discover that you never said anything to disprove his claims. He made a very valid point which you, rather than address them, chose to ignore.
The first word La is negation of the following phrase ilaha deities, gods (whether human, Jinns, angels, stone, animal, fire, water etc that you worship). Therefore, La ilaha means "there is no god (deities, humans, angels, jinns, stone, fire, FSM, and so on that some people called gods or creators)
Followed by "ila" which mean "except". This is affirmation of the next phrase Allah (The undisputed Creator of the Whole Universe of seen and unseen). Combining the phrases together here La ilaha ila Allah - The Is/Are No deities (worthy to be worshipped) EXCEPT Allah
Why then are you superimposing an Arabic word into an English translation of your shahada by still adding 'Allah' into the English translation. The correct translation could have been 'there are no gods but the Almighty God'. This makes more sense but no, the Islamic caliphate will never accept that because it won't serve their culturo-religious purpose. The word 'Allah' must be mentioned to give Islam the required legitimacy it requires among the culturally 'conquered' non-arab Muslims.
Empiree: your level is low and doesn't match me. Having back to back debate with you is a waste of time. I already unfollowed this thread days ago but decided to post that.
#unfollowagain
The guy presented a solid argument on Muslim semantics, especially when it comes to the use of the name 'Allah' as a generic name for God (in the Arab world). Instead of you to address the issue you are forming 'too educated'. If you don't have any rational response you can simply say 'Allah knows best' instead of being dodgy.
usermane: There is no glory in any of this. I'm actually disappointed. First, I thought the problems only lay with hadith. And now I come to find that Qur'an has it own fair share of issues. I did my best to address these issues objectively, but in the end, there are just those verses breeding doubts on the Qur'an. Here is one again;
Now, the sky is where the rain comes from - this is the troposphere. The troposphere is space, with gas and dust particles. As such it is not conceivable for the troposphere be to fall upon the earth. Thus, no need to withold it.
22:65 would only make sense if the sky or troposphere is a solid ceiling like mass. This is not the case. So, this verse is apparently wrong.
The way forward is not by cursing people and intimidating them for criticizing or disobeying Qur'an. The way forward is to be humble and realize there is at least a chance the Qur'an is not God's word, whether you continue to practice Islam or not.
Thanks for this usernane. It seems the Muslims are too delusional not to even see the flaws in their Quran. Muslims should be humble enough to understand that many people are learning and studying (not reciting) the Quran. You are actually brave, being a Muslim (or ex-muslim) and pointing out these errors.
Empiree: How does this refute the fact that Jesus, your god was killed by his own people?
It is not news that Jesus died and rose in the 3rd day as prophecied in the scriptures; it was not an accident but part of God's plan for the redemption of the sinful man.
Muslims on the other hand have, for over 1000 years, hid the information on how your prophet's death. Your prophet was poisoned by a Jewsih woman in Khaibar and he died of the poison after soooooo much pain and suffering. See hadith below:
Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Apostle. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 47, Number 786)
Narrated Ibn Abbas: 'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to let Ibn Abbas sit beside him, so 'AbdurRahman bin 'Auf said to 'Umar, "We have sons similar to him." 'Umar replied, "(I respect him) because of his status that you know." 'Umar then asked Ibn 'Abbas about the meaning of this Holy Verse:-- "When comes the help of Allah and the conquest of Mecca..." (110.1)
Ibn 'Abbas replied, "That indicated the death of Allah's Apostle which Allah informed him of." 'Umar said, "I do not understand of it except what you understand." Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 713).
Christian are proud to teach the death and the Resurrection of Christ but Muslims are ashamed of the death of Mohammed via poison. A whole prophet of Allah killed by ordinary 'sniper'.
Mohammed Hijab is trying. I know the guy is still a Muslim clown at the end but his debating style is very good.
I didn't know the guy came to Ghana. Abeg, do you have video of him.in Ghana?
The guy is a bigot. See his Ghana video, creating religious issue in a peaceful country; the hallmark of Islam. If this trend is not checked it might stoke a sectarian tension in a peaceful Ghana. This dude is a danger to societal peace and cohesion.
JeromeBlack: Abeg. Brother Hijab is trying. Compared to the other Muslim dawah clowns, he is more sensible.
Of course I don't agree with him but he is trying.
Is this not the same Mohammed Hijab who was attacking David Wood (while his Muslim fans cheered him) after they have an agreement to respect each other before a debate? Is this not the same guy who refused to shake David Wood's hand after a debate? Is this not the same Mohammed Hijab who wanted to fight TY at the speakers corner last year when TY asked him to leave and that he never want to have a debate with him? Is this not the same Hijab who threatened to fight Sa Ra Garvey at speakers corner early last year? Is this not the same Hijab who police were called, last two month, for unlawfully occupying DCCI ministry property? Is this not the same Hijab, together with Ali Dawah, who came to Ghana last year telling the poor people that the British government and Christianity is bad and Islam is good while they claim to have British passport?
najib632: You think you're smart or what when you were saying may shit be upon the messenger of Allah you think you would go Scott free, infact if you do not sue me the pain your mother felt giving birth to you was a waste. You think you're so smart or what?
I wanted to sue you but my lawyer advised me to tamper justice with mercy. I have forgiven you but ensure you don't call me 'true2devil' or 'false2god'; be a good boy and don't follow the sunnah of your prophet.
najib632: Look at this guy, how many times has he abstained from questions that I have asked him and how many times has his hypocrite heart allowed him not to be bias? I will no longer waste any time and knowledge concerning the three of you. And I am not your brother, may Allah protect me from such.
He, 'usermane', has no obligation to answer your questions; he can chose to ignore you. We are not in a court of law where silence can mean acquiescence. Stop taking matters very serious like a fundamentalist; Islam is not the religion of your ancestors so don't kill yourself over a backward foreign ideology from the desert.
Empiree: This was the reason i wanted clarification what you mean 'we attributed great things to islam'. Now that i have seen those great invention, like it or not, I am loving. My initial thought was you and the dude were referring to beautiful sceneries in the arab world like modern appearance of Mecca and Medina, burj Khalifa etc. These are not something to cause alarm. But now, yes, like it or not, those Islamic inventions were gold
Of Course you wouldnt bcuz you realized it is a case of black calling black black
Which great inventions are you talking about? Are these Islamic inventions: Hospitals, The crank, Toothbrush, Music, Optics, etc? You guys can be very funny and equally ignorant.
Empiree: Since you backtracked from revisiting the issue, just let it slide. Else, i will go google gaga on christian slavery like i did years ago.
I dont see any rational reason for revisiting old thread to prove my point. It is a well documented fact that Islam as a religion thrives on racism and slavery. Your prophet is equally a perfect example of this crime against humanity.
Empiree: See hypocrisy and see how you switched?. We have raised this issue before about 2 wks ago. If you wanna revisit, I am available to google gaga on you.When i showed you a video before you simply claimed it was "propaganda". Kontinu
The west are not clean but they are 1000% more humane than the Arabs and the Muslims in general. The west, despite their flaws, created the current policies and technology which you are all being controlled and influenced. And FYA, the west are in good term with the saudis, the owners of Islam. Who are you to complain when your master, the Saudis, are eating from the same plate with the US and the UK?
Empiree: who are you trying to trick?. I noticed you said similar in the other guy's thread but i just brushed it aside. Throughout history of man starting from Adam(as), family members have always killed one another. How's that issue?. Even Jesus was allegedly killed by his own people. So what's your point. JFK was killed by his countryman. Luther king, Malcolm x were killed by their own countrymen. Come to nija, Dele Giwa was killed by his countrymen. Bola Ige was killed by his countrymen. Gandhi was killed by his countrymen. Murtala Muhammad was killed by his countrymen. So abeg, your point exactly?
Are the Khalifa members of the family of Mohammed? No. They are all partners in crime using religion as a cover for global conquest. The Khalifa (Abu Bakr, Omar ibn Kathab, Uthman Ibn Affan, etc) conspired and eliminated the families of your prophet and you are here telling me 'family members have always killed one another'. Are you damn serious? Deal with the fact that your fellow Muslims, not the Jews or the Christians, eliminated the bloodline of your prophet. The shia are still angry with you guys for this crime.
Empiree: Okay, good. I remembered this thread's headline but i dont recall my contribution. Upon opening the thread just now, yes, these inventions i like. Up Islam It is fact that Muslims are granddaddy of modern science. So this, I embrace islam for it not about silly tall building we argued about some 4 yrs ago. So yes, I give islam credit here.
See how you are contradicting yourself. You said you never attributed any development to Islam but you are here praising a propaganda thread opened to massage the depleted ego of the Arab and the Muslim world. If you go through the so-called 'inventions', over 80% has nothing to do with the Arabs or Islam. Why are you salivating over lies and falsehood? Is this how low you can go?
Empiree: See what I am talking about?. You know very well Islam already cleared the air but you persistently lure islam and slavery together as if christianity is guilt free. Do you want me to bring abandoned arguments back from yrs ago?. That slavery predated Islam?. Why didnt Judeo/Christian terrorist abolished slavery before advent of MUhammad(SAW)?. Prophet MUhammad(SAW) met persistent of slavery trade embraced by Jews and christians. Do you want to get me started on this and you end up running away like you and ifean did years back?
I serious dont want to go back to the slavery and racism in islam but i will recommend that you go through the thread below, even though you avoided it like leprosy. https://www.nairaland.com/4869910/islam-racism
The thread above will educate you more on the 'scripturally' institutionalized form of slavery in Islam and the Arab world. And you know what, this evil practice is sanctioned by Allah and his messenger, and also a sunnah of the prophet.
Empiree: Why are you shifting goal post? Who is currently bombing mosques and churches in the muslim world now?. Speak the truth bro. Those thugs in the muslim world that destroy churches and masajid are simply group(s) of people not muslim govt. But Judeo/christian terrorist govt bomb mosques. Also if christianity is against homosexuality, why not enforced biblical law Leviticus 20:13 Why is it that when muslim country like Brunei recently enforce punishment on homosexuality, christian world called is 'barbaric', 'no freedom' and all sorts of unprinted names?. But Israel and christian countries embraced homosexuality they called it freedom and democracy?. Although i wont hold you responsible fr this bcus i know your stance on this. But you can see clearly christianity is not against it. They have abandoned their religious Laws. Yet we have a guy here who claim to be "muslim" but support homosexual trash and you support him for your own selfish interest?.. THINK
Who is bombing the Muslim world? Is Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Pakistan, Kuwait, Egypt, etc part of the muslim world? Is it the saudis that are bombing the Yemenis or the west? Is it the west that are bombing churches in Pakistan and Egypt or the west? The west has their fault but the Muslim world must also learn how to take responsibility for their actions. It is only a kid that will refuse to take responsibility for his mistake while pointing fingers at others. It is a known fact that the Khalifa were very brutal when Islam was powerful.
Do I need to remind you again that it is the so-called 'rightly' guided khalifas that killed the entire household of your dear prophet? I initially thought it was the US and the west that killed the household of Mohammed but after much research, I discovered it was fellow Muslims that killed the family of the Islamic prophet.
Empiree: Birds of a feather. First all, kindly define what Arab world did significantly that I praised Islam for. Quote me. Also, what significant things they do, is it relate religion or materialism?. You need to clear this pls. For clarity, if anyone says the tallest building in the world is in Arab world. Why do you think i should praise Islam for this when islam itself says that tall buildings are some of the Signs of the Time?. So please dont just make blanket statement. If you can not quote me or give valid example, then you and him lied about me/us.
Muslims have, on Nairaland, consistently relate their progress to religion which is a lie, because the opposite is true.
Empiree: This i can relate. If say for instance some arabs indulge in slave trade in 21 century now, you dont expect me to blame islam for it bcus Islam already put and end to this. You blame perpetrators. But you however would blame islam for what Arabs do. Talk about hypocrisy. Nonsense!
Stop lying bro. Slavery is an integral part of Islam and Islam never abolished slavery. The prophet of Islam, and his sahabas, are slave dealers; this information is in your hadith, your seerah and al-tabari. Why are you talking as if you dont know me? Why do you think you can 'bambooze' me?
Empiree: First all, it is you people that never defined which side you on. You know very well that you have accused Western power and culture when they do somethig despicable like homosexualism and Monetrary system, military industrial complex etc. Anytime these things are mentioned you run away from them and take your christianity with you. But if they do something reasonable or beautiful things in their constitution like social benefits, you want to cite christianity but in reality you do not have much evidence in your Book linked to Jesus to back many good things in Western culture. Islam however has written detailed evidences of these social benefits. You rely on Common law or western law when they do great things. You never mentioned christianity. You never fully agreed Western culture was built on christianity. Rather you choose and pick what suits you from them. All their luxuries are not built on christianity but on secularism. So you can only use Vatican achievements not Western achievements. Otherwise i will keep playing games with your head up/down with regards to judeo/christian. You know the drill.
A simple google search will help you a lot. Type any phrase on google search if us or western culture is built on christian faith?. You get to see mixed answers with most percentage tells you it is built on democracy and freedom(secularism). But when they want to invade muslims countries, they obviously cite their religious text (Bible) called Bible which Jerry Falwell, Tim LaHaye, and Christian Coalition supported. So what's my own in this?
I seriously dont understand this long story. Christianity as a religion is against homosexuality and, though the western powers sanctioned Christianity as their official religion, there is religious and thought freedom in the western world. Muslims are allowed to build thousand of mosque in Europe and the US, while the Muslim world are destroying and bombing churches. If the christian west want to 'copy' the muslim arabs, I dont think Islam will be tolerated so much in the west.
Except Muslims, atheist and liberals (strange bed-fellows who are both mortal enemies to Christianity), other human being know, believe and understand that the current development, prosperity and abundance, in the west, were built as a result of Judaeo-christian values which give room for free enterprise and capitalism. Muslims hate the west but won't stop migrating to the west to enjoy material life which they hate; you can't eat your cake and have it but Muslims can. That's the irony of 'hypocrite Islam'. While I condemn the 'freedom' that has created the moral decline in the west, we must also appreciate the benevolent christian values which make their society stable and prosperous. Jesus did not come, unlike Mohammed, to create a theocratic society ruled by the Khalifas. He told his disciples 'my kingdom is not of this world'; Christianity, unlike Islam (quran 9:28-30), is not established to destroy or oppress other religions hence the 100% tolerance Muslims enjoy in the west. A Muslim can go to any western/christian country (even the Vatican) and criticize Jesus, the bible and Christians openly without consequence but if a christian criticizes Mohammed or Islam in any Muslim country, he will be killed or jailed.
Cool down bro and be sincere; at times your logic is inversely proportionally to commonsense.
Islam › Re: The Story Of Prophet Luut by true2god: 3:17pm On Jul 03, 2019
