₦airaland Forum

Empiree:
lool...u have nothing to say
You know those verses got you good

Got me good? You must be kidding right? Anytime the issue of the shameless prophet is brought up, the next thing Muslims do is to search the Christian scripture to find a moral equivalence to justify the immoral acts if the unholy prophet. You have failed to give any logical reason while your prophet, who married over 5 widows, gave an order that no one must marry his widow. All I hear is that they are mothers of believers.

Aisha, the six year old child bride of your prophet is a mother of believers.

Safiyya, the 16yr old war captive and a sex slave is a mother of believer.

Zainab the wife of Muhammed's adopted son, Zaid ibn Mohammed, who Allah asked Zaid to divorce because Zainab is more suitable for the prophet, is also a mother of believers.

Hafsa, who connived with Aisha to lie against Zainab (because of Jealousy) is also a mother of believers.

Um Hanni, who gave up her bed for Aisha to keep her marriage to the prophet because she was old, is also a mother of believers.

In summary, all Islamic mothers of believers are no role model for womanhood. What am I saying 'sef', was the so-called Arabian prophet a normal role model.

Empiree:
only evidence can prove you right. If you can't provide evidence to support your claim, it is DOP (Dead on posted)

Did you hear the story of the Pakistani Christian woman, Aisa Bibi, who was sentenced to death for blasphemy against the so-called prophet? The genesis of the crisis was that she, being a dirty kafir (Islamic derogatory term for nonmuslims) drank from the cup that Muslim women, best of mankind (Quran 3:110) were supposed to drink from. If you are current I won't have to explain further. She was eventually saved by the supreme court while the Islamist declared her wanted till now.

She and her family have to leave the Islamic Paradise of Pakistan or else Islamic mob will do the job the legitimate govt failed to do

Empiree:
smh. you wanna teach me about oxymoron now?. I took your word for you for saying your are "dirty kafir". Go and critically wash your kafir dirty hands and we will accept your gifts

On a more serious note, no Christian or kafir will go to any Saudi street and distribute any Eid fitr gift without being attacked by Muslim radicals. It is their trademark.

Empiree:
But your bible said this;


"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." Matthew 10:37


also


"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26

These indicate that you must love Jesus that you dont see more than you own biological parents. Not only you love Jesus more than them but you must also hate your parents in addition to that. Woooow

Stale Islamic tactics: attack the Bible if you can't defend Islam.

Empiree:
You are closer to atheism than christianity. It seems you are getting tired of christianity everyday. Let's see who you are in the next 12 months. Sounds like you will be a full blown ahteist by then

I can never atheism or Islam. In 12 months time nothing will change and I hope you will leave your prophet for good.

Empiree:
Since you considered yourselves filthy and dirty, how could a sane muslim collect gifts from filthy, dirty fellows who move their bowel but don't want to their hands and butt?. If this is what you are, then, I seriously encourage muslims to reject your gifts and ban you from giving gifts until you abide by moral and purity code because this is unhealthy for muslims to eat from food prepared by filthy dirty hands that was probably soak and wet with dung during preparation of Xmas meal.

Therefore, this is violation of health code.

You don't have an understanding of the word OXYMORON. In Islam, the kafir are considered dirty and Muslims are not meant to accept give from them. Allah will not like Muslims to collect any gift from the kafir. Do you get that?

Abuheekmat:
Those sunni. .

Ask them who is their leader
Who is their founder
Who named them sunni




Dead brain

So in islam, no shia and no sunni? You live a life of delusion; go and prepare for your JAMB. It seems you are a teenager.

Empiree:
your question is wrong. What you should asked was "can non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan replicate this gesture in majority muslim countries?"

Those muslims in UK live in majority "Christian country"

I asked the right question bro! Both of us know that no sane christian will go to Saudi Arabia, Iran or Sudan and distribute gift to Muslims during Islamic festivals without being lynch by state sanctioned terror groups; it can never happen without a consequence. How can a dirty kafir give Muslims gifts with their filthy hands without ablutions to wash off the filth of the kafir?

I will ask you again, can Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Sudan present Christmas gist to christians when the states had even declared Christmas as being haram?

najib632:
I agree but the Quraish were doing so out of arrogance so Allah kept on warning, they refused to listen, then Allah caused him to have power over them, so they were ashamed when they were over powered he asked them what do they think he'll do to them? They said surely he is known for his virtue and he'll spare, and so did he, after all arrogance and persistence they knew he had the best of character but because of pride and arrogance they refused to believe until he over powered them. I have never seen any Christian, praising prophet Muhammad S.A.W. for sparing the Meccans after they killed two of his children and killed his uncle, and companions, I don't see anyone praising prophet Muhammad S.A.W for stopping the burial of female children, and making women's rights equal to that of men, they only focus on things like he had slaves and he married Aisha R.A. at the age of 8, all of the slaves he had were freed and he usually bought slaves to free them, he didn't owning a single slave and some people that don't have proper thinking want the practices of 21st century to be the same with 7th century. No praises Islamic golden age era for bringing modernisation to world, yeah why should they when they want to own all the wealth May Allah's curse be upon the Romans, they corruption on the earth and their defendants continue to do so may Allah open your eyes.

I think you over-patronize your prophet here. I am happy that we both agree that the meccan pagans thought that your prophet had a psychological issue hence the surahs I qouted earlier to buttress my points. People will not form an almost universal opinion on someone if they have not carefully observed such a person before reaching a conclusion. You said the prophet was magnanimous to the meccans yet he gave an order that they should be wiped out if they resisted his invasion. Remeber he also ordered the killing of 6 of his sworn enemies in mecca even if the hide inside the kabba, among them which is Abdulla ibn Sarh.

You said the Christians do not appreciate your prophet. Why should they? Remember he beheaded over 600 Jews of Banu Quraiza in one day. He also promised to expelled all Jews and Christians from the Arabian peninsula which he did. He also ensure that Christians and Jews are cursed in all the daily Islamic prayers in surah al-fathia ayah 6 to 7. He also asked Muslims not to take the Jews and Christians as friends (quran 5:51).

With all these, how do you expect the Christians and the Jews to have regards for him?

You said Islam brought modernization to the world, how? If Muslims brought modernization almost all Muslims countries will be developed but the opposite is true. Most Muslim countries are backward and underdeveloped. The Muslims make up of the largest modern destitute and refugees worldwide. Muslims are fleeing their countries to either the US, Canada or Europe, in millions. If Islam presents a solution to their problems they wont be desperate to leave their sharia-compliant countries in their hundreds of millions.

AryEmber:
The children? Second Kings, verse 23-25.

Explain what happened and not a reference.

Abuheekmat:
The fact that they assembled themselves in a group and named themselves Shia is enough

And how about the sunnis that assembled and named themselves the Sunnis, does that now make them the true Muslims? Your logic is flawed.

The shia rejected your so-called INSPIRED sahih bukhari. Who lied to you that any hadith is inspired?

Abuheekmat:
You never cease to amaze me with your logic..

Although i will give you a point. .

Not only hadith shia rejected.. They rejected Quran too. .

And they are not Muslims.. They are shia.. I doubt you would understand that..



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As for you blaspheming Quran and Hadith. .
Your forefathers have said worse..



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It's nothing new..


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Thanks for proving to the world that you are truly brain dead..

Stop lying on the shia to justify your ignorance. Can you give me a single reference where the shia are alleged to condemn the Qur'an? What the shia condemned is sahih bukhari.

Abuheekmat:
I knew you would never the difference between revelation and inspiration..

I knew it..

And you claim you are logical.


Laughing

OK, tell me how the collection of the hadith has the inspiration of Allah? And before you start, define the word INSPIRATION.

Abuheekmat:
Laugh rolling on the floor..

Like I said, you are brain dead..

Always proving me right that you are brain dead. .



Hadith and Quran has same grade of value. Both are word of Allah.


Concerning strong, weak, fabricated hadith.. That has to do with chains of narrations..


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After the death of rosul.. Liars, kafir, munafiq started attributing lies to rosul.. That he said this and that..


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That's how and why checking the chains of narration becaame necessary.

And that's exactly what bukhari and Muslim and other salafs did..


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Sahih.. Strong chain of narration
Hassan .. Good chain of narration
Daif.. Weak chain of narration
Maoduhu.. Fabricated chain of narration




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Prove me right once more .. Brain dead boy

Nairaland Muslims will be amazed at your ignorance. How can a kafir be teaching your your own religion? How can you say the Quran and the hadith (a mere gossip and Chinese whisper) are on the same level? I think a more knowledgeable Muslim should correct you on your gross ignorance, if only you will be humble and learn. So the hadith collections of Imam Bukhari (which even the Shi'a Muslims rejected) is at per with the Quran? Please tell me more.

AryEmber:
I guess the children that got killed harmed the prophet then?

Which children and how did it happen? Kindly explain.

Abuheekmat:
You always prove me right that you are illogical..

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Quran and hadith are WORDS OF ALLAH.

Quran is revelation through angel jubril to rosul.

During the revelation of Quran is hadith revelation too..


Just that hadith is like inspiration while Quran is revelation.


Am sure you won't understand..

Dead brain.. That's what you are

You are proudly ignorant. Who told you that the hadith is a word of Allah? So the word of allahh can be divided into strong, weak and fabricated hadith? So Allah inspired the hadith and the Quran is a revelation. Do you understand the meanings of inspiration and revelation?

It seems you are either a kid or very ignorant of your religion. Go back and ask your sheikh before posting out of ignorance.

Abuheekmat:
It's self explanatory with Quran and hadith...

If you don't understand, ask questions.. No harm in that

So Quran alone without the hadith is useless. Kwantinu!

AryEmber:
true2god, if you say the bible God view every body equal, what happen to 'thou shall not touch my anointed'.

The full quote is: 'touch not my anointing and do my prophet no harm'. God asked the Jews not to be physically aggressive to his prophets. Don't bring in unrelated quote to support your ignorance.

Abuheekmat:
Your brain is dead
You dead man walking

This is what a brainwashed person will say when he has no logical explanation to give. Only an ignorant mofo will prefer a dead Arabian lady, who made zero contribution to his life, over his biological mother.

najib632:
I don't understand what you're saying please clarify yourself so that'll give you a better response

If you read all the Quranic passages I provided, you will understand the mindset of the meccan pagans concerning your prophet. The passages continued exonerating Mohammed of not being mad. Why will someone continue telling people 'I am not mad'? That's to tell you that people took him to be mad or to be psychologically unstable.

I believe you have read Aisha's account of how a black magic was worked on the prophet which made him delusional.

Empiree:
This is how we take over your churches in EU especially UK. So don't worry in months to come, you may hear the church is converted to mosque by kindness act of muslims

That's not a very smart response. Let me ask you again, can Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Sudan replicate this gesture?

bashir1451:
BLACKBURN – Muslim volunteers at Jaame Mosque in Blackburn, the UK, volunteered on December 9 to package 11,595 meals, stocking up their local food bank in preparation for Christmas, Asian Image reported on December 12.
The Muslim charity drive saw mosques and Muslim organizations from Blackburn coming together to raise as much as they could for the food bank.
In the end, they donated an astonishing 4869.92 kg of food.

This act is by far better than attacking the kufar. Can Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Sudan replicate this gesture? I am not sure.

najib632:
This is why we have asked you to accept Islam so that you will understand how Allah does things. Magic only happens by the permission of Allah, Allah allowed the magic to befall Muhammad S.A.W. in order to try him and elevate his status and also damn Labib (May Allah's curse be upon him) for his actions, and to teach the prophet S.A.W. and the Muslims to not be heedless in seeking of His protection against their enemies.

true2god:
QURAN 7:184 and 23:70; a revelation was given to mo' telling him that he was not made.

You can also read QURAN 23:70, QURAN 34:46, QURAN 37:35-36, QURAN 52:29, QURAN 68:2 and QURAN 81:22

Read all the above and come back with a better response.

The meccan pagans have a better view than all the Nairaland Muslims on the mental state of the prophet hence the accusations/observations and the revelation. Aisha also made a similar remark on the mental state of the holy prophet.

najib632:
This is why we have asked you to accept Islam so that you will understand how Allah does things. Magic only happens by the permission of Allah, Allah allowed the magic to befall Muhammad S.A.W. in order to try him and elevate his status and also damn Labib (May Allah's curse be upon him) for his actions, and to teach the prophet S.A.W. and the Muslims to not be heedless in seeking of His protection against their enemies.

QURAN 7:184 and 23:70; a revelation was given to mo' telling him that he was not made.

You can also read QURAN 23:70, QURAN 34:46, QURAN 37:35-36, QURAN 52:29, QURAN 68:2 and QURAN 81:22

Read all the above and come back with a better response.

Abuheekmat:
Stop debating with kufar... You won't listen. .

Where did rosul or sahabahs ever did that .


See the mess you put yourself in..


Leave them to their dolal

Don't close your mind to a divergent view. God gives us brain to THINK and have critical thinking skills. Do not let the event (and people) that you do not even know anything about, except being taught in church or/and madrassas, shape your 21st century world outlook.

It still baffles me that a man who married more than 5 widows will give an instruction that no man should marry his widow(s) and you don't see any hypocrisy in that. Religion is a really a very powerful tool.

WORDWORLD:
"They are CONCEITED and understand NOTHING. They have an UNHEALTHY interest in CONTROVERSIES and QUARRELS about words that result to envy, strife, malicious talk suspicions" . 1 Timothy 6:4.

YOUR QUESTION HAS BEEN PERFECTLY ANSWERED BY EMPIREE. "CAN YOU MARRY YOUR MOTHER"?

Aisha is not the mother to any of the sahabas, either spiritually or biologically. It is all about protecting the ego of the islamic prophet, even after his death. Aisha did not have any spiritual or moral impact on anyone.

Calling a 7th century Arab lady your mother is an insult to your mother and she deserves an apology from you.

You never give any logical reason why Mohammed asked any of his sahabas not to marry any of his wives except throwing 'jabs' and insults.

OkunrinOloro:
From the Sahih Collection of al-Bukhari, Hadith Number 2442
Chapter 54.

Allah's Rasul (PBUH) said "Do not annoy me regarding ‘A’isha, for inspiration has not come to me when I was in any WOMAN’S GARMENT but ‘A’isha’s.”

What kind of prophet receives divine inspiration from wearing women's clothes?

Aisha's garment was a special garment to the holy prophet (pbuh). The garment of wonders.

OkunrinOloro:
A true man of God would have devoted his time and energy to prayer and not sex marathon.

The holy Prophet is a complete human being: sex and Prayer.

tintingz:
Ok, you are like heretic Christian.

Yes, some fanatics do call me that.

iamgenius:
What you don't understand is that is that all prophets(peace be upon them) are human beings like us. And the bewitchment on the Prophet(peace be upon him) is like him being sick from a sickness. If a sickness is spiritual, it will be physically shown on the person.
Allah only allowed that to happen to him to show us that he's only a human being like us. It's not different from when he has fever.

And you said physical attack could be defended, I wonder god of the Jesus of the cross can't defend him and interfere in his affair. And he allowed him to be humiliated and nailed.

You asked if Allah gave him a revelation during the sickness. I know where you're going on this. As I said earlier the bewitchment is only physical and does not in any way affect his intellect and brain, it's only his body.

Would you mind, if I show you from the hadith, how the magic affected his intellect which made his wife Aisha bint Abu Bakr remarked that the prophet said and imagined to have done what he never really did? If someone have an illusion or false imagination, what do you call such a person? How can you trust his sense of judgement? Don't defend what's indefensible bro!

iamgenius:
OK. Between a spiritual attack and a physical attack, which one do you think is more glaring and quicker in defence?

Kindly change how you quoted me.

Spiritual attacked involves demons and spirits; how can a prophet be successfully attacked by demonic forces (as your prophet was)?

Physical attacks is more controllable and within your human consciousnesses. If an aggressive person wants to attack you, you can choose to run away, dodge or hide, but you cannot do this while under a spiritual attack.

Why was your prophet under a spiritual and demonic attacks? Did Allah gave him any revelations while he experienced these attacks.

iamgenius:
How can someone who died for your sins talk disrespectfully to his mother? Shame!

This is the issue we are discussing; don't deflect and divert. How can magic be worked on the so-called greatest prophet? It is not compulsory to respond if you don't know.