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tintingz:
Wow, that's good.

You believe in the Christian or Muslim God or you're a deist?

I am not an atheist nor a denominational christian. I believe in the existence of God and the supernatural.

How can the so-called greatest prophet be affected by a black magic? Was he still receiving a revelation while he was in this delusional state? Just curious though.

tintingz:
Well people change.

Are you still a Christian?

I am a free-thinker. I am not bound by any religious dogmas and I try say the truth when I see one. I do condemn some Islamic and christian beliefs which I, at times, view as irrational.

Empiree:
you literally ran away from your own bible quotes

If you say so. The Yorubas will say: 'Soji aye eee'

tintingz:
Actually most Yoruba language originated when people were still pagans, be it names, words etc.

Olorun is the supreme deity in Yoruba pantheon, he has two other manifestations(Olodumare and Olofi).

Olorun has children and grandchildren like Orunmila, Obatala, Ogun, oduduwa etc, this is a God that is worship long before Islam came to the Yorubas, so if you think Olorun is part of Allah manifestation and doesn't have root in paganism you're missing it. Olorun has his own mythical story that is so different from Allah's mythical story.

It was Bishop Ajayi Crowder that subtitle Olorun has the Abrahamic deity when he translated the Bible into Yoruba language.

So oga don't be ignorant and hypocrite.

Even the pagan Arabs addressed their god as Allah long before Islam. At times I find it offensive to call any non-Abrahamic faith paganism; this is pure religio-cultural bigotry on the part of the Arabs and the Jews.

As a matter of fact, I can't remember when the Arabs and the Jews are fighting over our African religion, culture and languages. We have to wake up and stop behaving like a modern day Bilal.

Empiree:
Is this definition of reward according to your bible? These verses certainly seem to indicate that your full rewards are in heaven and vary according to how you live your live here on earth:

“…each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward” (1 Corinthians 3:13-14 ESV).

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil” (2 Corinthians 5:10 ESV).


But you are talking about earthly rewards which Jesus condemned. Mark 8:36KJV


"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

Seek ye first money, power and wealth and all other things will be added unto you. Live a good and happy life while earth, you never know what lies in the world beyond. Obey your parents and do good to your fellow human beings, be in muslims, christians, atheist etc.

Leave judgement to God; stride for a happy life and a successful future.

tintingz:
I want muslims in the house to answer and tell how humans are made up of sand.

You are an ex-muslim, always defending Islam, and i never expected you to bash Islam this way.

Gweedorian:
The mindset creates the country... Running to Western countries and civilization without realizing that their Christian/secular ideals made them the rich prosperous peaceful nations that they are today.

Funniest post I have seen so far. Really an Islamically induced mindset.

tintingz:
Did you read the article?

You didn't see Dr. Muhammed Amaechi there? Haven't you seen Hausa-Christian before?

What's wrong with Igbo-Muslim? is it that there's a law that said they can't be Muslim or what?

Both Christianity and Islam were never the religion of Africans.

Very correct bro!

ollah2:
Africans started the slave trade in Africa and practiced it for thousands of years..

Stop revising history; it was never on record that blacks, before they had contacts with the Arab-Muslims or the European Christians, traded fellow blacks as slaves. Stop reading the wrong books.

Slave trade, or black enslavement, is well documented and recorded in the hadith of Bukhari, the hadith of imam muslim and the history of Islam by Al-tabari. Let us be sincere and stop being emotional about what had really affected black people negatively. The christian Europe also enslaved blacks in an industrial scale.

Empiree:
Alhamdululah, and try to improve your offline shahada. Perhaps, God may give you full reward.

I already have a full reward as a kafir: a nice car, good apartment and a beautiful young lady. I just have to keep thanking God for his love and mercy over a kafir like me, including all my kafir friends who are all doing great in the US. Thanks bro!

Empiree:
what about you, you aren't becoming Muslim yet?

I am already a Nairaland muslim because I have to say the shahada before I can sign in to this section; outside Nairaland, I remain a kufar. Thanks bro!

Abuheekmat:
whoever is replying this kafir guy is making jest of islam. . just leave him to his dolal.

The guy is making so much sense; don't be afraid of holding a divergent view that is strange to your traditional belief system. We learn everyday and I can tell you that modern human are far more knowledgeable that the 7th century Arabian folks. Smell the coffee bro, more people are 'wizing' up to the Arabian frauds and brainwashing.

najib632:
I don't believe you for saying this statement especially this phrase -"bad scientific approach"

Maybe you should go and read his old post on Nairaland, like 3 to 4 years ago. The guy has really 'ported' either to atheism or Kiriyo.

tintingz:
The Quran is word of Arab man/men.

Just like every other mythical books existing in other religions and cultures.

I taught you are a muslim. Have you left islam?

TayehJiboluwa:
You should pray against every spirit of misfortune, any kind of misfortune and badluck. The dreams is foretelling a calamitous future event. But have faith in God, and cancel every form of calamity and bad luck.

Thanks bro

@ TayehJiboluwa, I have a car, but in many cases I always see the vehicle as either stolen or damaged without repair. What can this signify?

Bede2u:
lol. We might not really be jewish...then again we might actually be...since no one has definitively explored our origin.

But one thing for sure is that isreal has taken a keen interest in the igbos. A strategic alliance with them can help achieve an independent igbo nation

I think oil is a factor. The Israelis might be projecting a future balkanization of this country and would like to benefit from the Biafran oil and gas resources. I don't trust the Zionist Jews at all.

No need guessing the tribe.

Igbo Muslim is an oxymoron and does not sound sweet. Igbos by nature are democratic, capitalist and very sociable and Islam forbid all these human nature.

An Igbo man cannot be cramming the Arabic Quran and the hadith on his head when God has given him brain to use for something meaningful to his life.

tamethem:
Let me tell you guys a story. Anyone can go and find out.

The Osun State Polytechnic is situated in IREE . Iree is a small town in Osun and it is blessed with several Primary Schools and secondary schools among which are Muslims secondary schools and Muslim primary. Iree shares borders with Ikirun a Muslim town, and this makes Muslims plenty.in Iree because Ikirun is a bigger town.

The best Secondary school in Iree is the Baptist Grammar School. It was founded in the 50s by the missionaries and can boast of well structured classes and a Chapel. So everyone wants their children to go to the best school. So Muslims too send their kids there since the 50s. No problems.

Untill Sometime between 2000 and 2005 or there about an uproar was started by the Muslims that their children going to Baptist grammar Schools must use hyjab and at the same time be given a portion to build their mosque. Because the Christian Students have a chapel. Why won't they have a chapel, its a Christian school of course.



See me see trouble, this is a Christian schools for Gods sake, though now a public school. But it still remains a Christian school.

There was serious chaos almost turning to a war. And at the end , the Baptist Convention agreed to give them a portion in front of the School, to make peace reign in the town. So they gave them the land .

After about a year our Muslim brothers. Expended the land by themselves. Build a mosque and before you know it rented part of the land they extended to a Muslim guy doing Car Wash .


Anyone that has some one schooling or living in Iree can make enquiry about all these. The mosque is there till date likewise the Car wash.

My point is would Muslims allow Christian students to build a chapel on a Anwar Islam secondary school. Hamadiyah Grammar School. Why must they be looking for problems upandan the world.

I can't understand.

Muslims are always rewarded for bad behaviors, violence, truancy and threats. So it is only natural for them to continue that way since it gives them what they want. The only way to control a bully (Muslims/Islam) is NEVER to give in to their constant demand to change a status-quo to conform to Arab culture or Islamic demands, if possible through the use of force. Ask the Israelis and the US.

Until this country is divided, there will be no peace and progress in this country. It is very clear that the hatred the Igbos and the Yorubas have for each other is not going away soon. The only solution is for this country to be dismembered according to ethnic and cultural line.

tartar9:
Any sane society would ban a hate preacher

Mohammed was the number one hate preacher worldwide (Quran 98:6, 9:29, 5:51, sahih Bukhari 4:52:220). Don't pretend as if you don't know.

Empiree:
Okay, you can not answer my question. This is the end of my contributions in this thread. You have a great.



For record, these are the questions:

You have really tried. Well done bro!

[quote author=Empiree post=71458960][/quote]Mohammed and his sahabas cemented slavery (buying and selling of slaves and invoking allahh in the process). Your attempt at shifting Mohammed's problems/evil to Christians is very ridiculous. So you want to blame Jesus for Mohammed's slavery? Well I have heard it over and over again that Muslims don't accept their mistakes, they rather look for who to blame for their sins/errors. You just prove Islamic critics right.

Answer Mohammed's questions relating to his ownership, buying and selling of slaves (both black and white slaves). You attempt to shift Mohammed's immoral and evil behavior to the responsibility of Christians won't work, unless you want me believe that Mohammed was a kid that can never be held responsible for his action.

Will you condemn the action of Mohammed as a slave trader? Answer and stop shifting the burden of responsibility to Christians.

Empiree:
answer my questions. Why did Judeo-christian terrorists not end slavery before the advent of Prophet Muhammad (saw)?.

And why did your New Testament made no reference to slavery?

The judeo-christian world never advocated terror against non-Christians the way Mohammed and allahh did (sahih Bukhari 4:52:220). We never heard of Christian terrorist but Islamic terror or Muslim terrorist (this is because Muslim god promotes terror).

Back to your question, you will agree with me that Jesus never owned, bought or sold slaves (while Mohammed owned, bought and sold slaves). Jesus did not come as a political or military leader. He came to preach peace, righteousness and the coming God's kingdom. He said: 'my kingdom is not of this world'. Besides, even Christians were taken slaves and prisoners in the hand of the Roman emperor Nero. At the 1st century church, Christianity was viewed as a cult that must be destroyed by the colonial Roman govt which occupied Israel at that time. Christians do not have the military and political power to create that order.

What about when the Romanic power accepted Christianity, why didn't they stop it? That's not a question I can answer. It was a bad practice and remains bad thing. Remember, almost in all part of the world slavery was practiced. The Arabs, the Jews and the Byzantine practiced slavery in one form and another. It only became a bigger problem when Islam gave a great religious legitimacy to slavery.

Mohammed and his sahabas cemented slavery (buying and selling of slaves and invoking allahh in the process). Your attempt at shifting Mohammed's problems/evil to Christians is very ridiculous. So you want to blame Jesus for Mohammed's slavery? Well I have heard it over and over again that Muslims don't accept their mistakes, they rather look for who to blame for their sins/errors. You just prove Islamic critics right.

The new testament was not written to promote or encourage slavery, the way the hadith and the sirah were written to encourage and promote slavery. Are you ok with slavery just as your prophet saw nothing wrong with it? Why are you Muslims always looking for cheap points to attack Christianity?

Empiree:
Liar. Abu Bakr (ra) bought Bilal(ra) from Jewish/pagan arab slave traders. And in turn, Bilal was freed and became great scholar in islamic history. Jews preceded pagan arabs in keeping slaves.


Slavery existed before prophet muhammad or not?. Jews and christians preceded our prophet or not?. If both preceded our prophet, and it is well known that slavery thrived in in the time of Jews and also slavery was well alive between the reign of Jesus and before the advent of prophet Muhammad(p), how come your new testament barely made reference to slavery while it is as clear as daylight slavery existed in the time of Jesus?. Why did your chronological Gospels skipped this important historic event?. Why did the Jews and christians not end slavery until our prophet(saw) came to deal with mess you people created?. It is so suspicious that New Testament skipped 95% of slave trade history. This is called expungement. This is one of the many reasons to believe your bible was distorted

Will you now agree that, according to the hadith, Mohammed was a slave trader?

true2god:
Muslim hypocrite! You condemned ibn Ishaq and use his writing when it suits you. See where you get your Bilal transaction from, a slave trade by batter concluded your Islamic khalifa Abu Bakr:

A rock was put on a slave’s chest. When Abu Bakr complained, they said, ‘You are the one who corrupted him, so save him from his plight.’ I will do so,’ said Bakr. ‘I have a black slave, tougher and stronger than Bilal, who is a heathen. I will exchange him. The transaction was carried out.
Ishaq:144

You are not ashamed that Arab-muslims, their prophet and the sahabas, were carrying out transactions on your black ancestors, which encouraged the European Christians to follow on their footsteps. Without Islamic Arabs African slave trade, I doubt if we will have the European slave trade against African people.

See hadith below: Mohammed and enslavement of black people:
...So I went to the upper room where the Prophet was and requested to a black slave of his : "Will you get the permission of (Allah's Apostle) for Umar (to enter)? The slave went in, talked to the Prophet about it and came out saying, 'I mentioned you to him but he did not reply.' So, I went and sat with the people who were sitting by the pulpit, but I could not bear the situation, so I went to the slave again...
Sahih Bukhari 3:43:648

Then I put on my clothes and went to Allah's Apostle's residence, and behold, he was staying in an upper room of his to which he ascended by a ladder, and a black slave of Allah's Apostle was (sitting) on the first step. I said to him, 'Say (to the Prophet ) 'Umar bin Al-Khattab is here.'...
Sahih Bukhari 6:60:435

Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Apostle was on a journey and he had a black slave called Anjasha, and he was driving the camels (very fast, and there were women riding on those camels). Allah's Apostle said, "Waihaka, O Anjasha! Drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels (women)!"
Sahih Bukhari 8:73:182.

Narrated 'Umar: I came and behold, Allah's Apostle was staying on a Mashroba (attic room) and a black slave of Allah's Apostle was at the top if its stairs. I said to him, "(Tell the Prophet) that here is 'Umar bin Al-Khattab (asking for permission to enter)." Then he admitted me.
Sahih Bukhari 9:91:368

Mohammed opposed freeing a slave:

Narrated Kurib: the freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."
Sahih Bukhari 3:47:765

'Imran b. Husain reported that a person who had no other property emancipated six slaves of his at the time of his death. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called for them and divided them into three sections, cast lots amongst them, and set two free and kept four in slavery; and he (the Holy Prophet) spoke severely of him.
Sahih Muslim 15:4112 (Allah messenger kept 4 in slavery).

According to Donald Trump, sorry Mohammed ibn abdullah, two black slaves is equal to 1 Arab slave. Mohammed was a slave trade genius.

Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man)
Sahih Muslim 10:3901 (Here a slave is not expected to say allegiance to Mohammed, being a worthless animal. Anyone can that says allegiance to Mohammed is not expected to still be under slavery).

Mohammed cancelled mamunition of slaves:

Narrated Jabir: A man manumitted a slave and he had no other property than that, so the Prophet cancelled the manumission (and sold the slave for him). No'aim bin Al-Nahham bought the slave from him.
Sahih Bukhari 3:41:598. A man freed his slaves but Mohammed said 'no'. He assisted the man sell the slave to another slave buyer and so the man remained a slave for life (as in arsenal 4 life). As long as I'm arsenal for life so was the guy Mohammed sold into life slavery. Can you see how great your prophet is?

Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah: A man decided that a slave of his would be manumitted after his death and later on he was in need of money, so the Prophet took the slave and said, "Who will buy this slave from me?" Nu'aim bin 'Abdullah bought him for such and such price and the Prophet gave him the slave.
Sahih Bukhari 3:34:351

More on your prophet trading human beings as if he has a shop in shoprite plaza:

Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah: A man decided that a slave of his would be manumitted after his death and later on he was in need of money, so the Prophet took the slave and said, "Who will buy this slave from me?" Nu'aim bin 'Abdullah bought him for such and such price and the Prophet gave him the slave.
Sahih Bukhari 3:34:351

Narrated 'Amr: Jabir said: An Ansari man made his slave a Mudabbar and he had no other property than him. When the Prophet heard of that, he said (to his companions), "Who wants to buy him (i.e., the slave) for me?" Nu'aim bin An-Nahham bought him for eight hundred Dirhams. I heard Jabir saying, "That was a coptic slave who died in the same year."
Sahih Bukhari 8:79:707

Narrated Jabir: A man from the Ansar made his slave, a Mudabbar. And apart from that slave he did not have any other property. This news reached Allah's Apostle and he said, "Who will buy that slave from me?" So Nu'aim bin An-Nahham bought him for 800 Dirham. Jabir added: It was a coptic (Egyptian) slave who died that year.
Sahih Bukhari 9:85:80

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: A man pledged that his slave would be manumitted after his death. The Prophet asked, "Who will buy the slave from me?" No'aim bin 'Abdullah bought the slave and the Prophet took its price and gave it to the owner.
Sahih Bukhari 3:41:588

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: A man amongst us declared that his slave would be freed after his death. The Prophet called for that slave and sold him. The slave died the same year.
Sahih Bukhari 3:46:711

Narrated Jabir: The
Prophet came to know that one of his companions had given the promise of freeing his slave after his death, but as he had no other property than that slave,
the Prophet sold that slave for 800 dirhams and sent the price to him.
Sahih Bukhari 9:89:296

Empiree:
Liar. Abu Bakr (ra) bought Bilal(ra) from Jewish/pagan arab slave traders. And in turn, Bilal was freed and became great scholar in islamic history. Jews preceded pagan arabs in keeping slaves.


Slavery existed before prophet muhammad or not?. Jews and christians preceded our prophet or not?. If both preceded our prophet, and it is well known that slavery thrived in in the time of Jews and also slavery was well alive between the reign of Jesus and before the advent of prophet Muhammad(p), how come your new testament barely made reference to slavery while it is as clear as daylight slavery existed in the time of Jesus?. Why did your chronological Gospels skipped this important historic event?. Why did the Jews and christians not end slavery until our prophet(saw) came to deal with mess you people created?. It is so suspicious that New Testament skipped 95% of slave trade history. This is called expungement. This is one of the many reasons to believe your bible was distorted

Muslim hypocrite! You condemned ibn Ishaq and use his writing when it suits you. See where you get your Bilal transaction from, a slave trade by batter concluded your Islamic khalifa Abu Bakr:

A rock was put on a slave’s chest. When Abu Bakr complained, they said, ‘You are the one who corrupted him, so save him from his plight.’ I will do so,’ said Bakr. ‘I have a black slave, tougher and stronger than Bilal, who is a heathen. I will exchange him. The transaction was carried out.
Ishaq:144

You are not ashamed that Arab-muslims, their prophet and the sahabas, were carrying out transactions on your black ancestors, which encouraged the European Christians to follow on their footsteps. Without Islamic Arabs African slave trade, I doubt if we will have the European slave trade against African people.

See hadith below: Mohammed and enslavement of black people:
...So I went to the upper room where the Prophet was and requested to a black slave of his : "Will you get the permission of (Allah's Apostle) for Umar (to enter)? The slave went in, talked to the Prophet about it and came out saying, 'I mentioned you to him but he did not reply.' So, I went and sat with the people who were sitting by the pulpit, but I could not bear the situation, so I went to the slave again...
Sahih Bukhari 3:43:648

Then I put on my clothes and went to Allah's Apostle's residence, and behold, he was staying in an upper room of his to which he ascended by a ladder, and a black slave of Allah's Apostle was (sitting) on the first step. I said to him, 'Say (to the Prophet ) 'Umar bin Al-Khattab is here.'...
Sahih Bukhari 6:60:435

Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Apostle was on a journey and he had a black slave called Anjasha, and he was driving the camels (very fast, and there were women riding on those camels). Allah's Apostle said, "Waihaka, O Anjasha! Drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels (women)!"
Sahih Bukhari 8:73:182.

Narrated 'Umar: I came and behold, Allah's Apostle was staying on a Mashroba (attic room) and a black slave of Allah's Apostle was at the top if its stairs. I said to him, "(Tell the Prophet) that here is 'Umar bin Al-Khattab (asking for permission to enter)." Then he admitted me.
Sahih Bukhari 9:91:368

Mohammed opposed freeing a slave:

Narrated Kurib: the freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."
Sahih Bukhari 3:47:765

'Imran b. Husain reported that a person who had no other property emancipated six slaves of his at the time of his death. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called for them and divided them into three sections, cast lots amongst them, and set two free and kept four in slavery; and he (the Holy Prophet) spoke severely of him.
Sahih Muslim 15:4112 (Allah messenger kept 4 in slavery).

According to Donald Trump, sorry Mohammed ibn abdullah, two black slaves is equal to 1 Arab slave. Mohammed was a slave trade genius.

Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man)
Sahih Muslim 10:3901 (Here a slave is not expected to say allegiance to Mohammed, being a worthless animal. Anyone can that says allegiance to Mohammed is not expected to still be under slavery).

Mohammed cancelled mamunition of slaves:

Narrated Jabir: A man manumitted a slave and he had no other property than that, so the Prophet cancelled the manumission (and sold the slave for him). No'aim bin Al-Nahham bought the slave from him.
Sahih Bukhari 3:41:598. A man freed his slaves but Mohammed said 'no'. He assisted the man sell the slave to another slave buyer and so the man remained a slave for life (as in arsenal 4 life). As long as I'm arsenal for life so was the guy Mohammed sold into life slavery. Can you see how great your prophet is?

Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah: A man decided that a slave of his would be manumitted after his death and later on he was in need of money, so the Prophet took the slave and said, "Who will buy this slave from me?" Nu'aim bin 'Abdullah bought him for such and such price and the Prophet gave him the slave.
Sahih Bukhari 3:34:351

Empiree:
when your Christian terrorist leaders enslaved Africa and Asia, were they invited or elected or selected to colonize Africa?. You are becoming ridiculous every second.

Anyways, muhammad (saw) was the messanger SENT BY GOD to restore monotheism brought by Abraham to Mecca. So therefore, monotheism MUST be enforced in Mecca.



[ rubbish from your desire. All because you could not defend your bible



See as you dey talk as if you care about those people. You are simply jealous. Go to Medina and take it back. You will die trying



see this one trying to re-write history. You will be exhausted while trying this




seems like you have been reading too much of evangelical liar, David Wood lately. You think you can convince me or what exactly?. Listen, there is no Religion acceptable in the sight of God EXCEPT ISLAM. You are making up this stories in your head because this is your last grip. You are grasping on straws.




As if you believe in that verse of Qur'an. I know you are desperate now. You don't want to give up in shame



[I am sure you don't even agree with their former religion they went back to either. You are saying all these because of your irrational hatred for our Prophet. It is too late for that. But don't let it be too late for you before you accept muhammad as your messanger.



smh. Abu sufyan was still non muslim when Muhammad arrived in Mecca with full force. He embraced Islam after seeing brilliant character of the prophet for not destroying him and his family despite atrocities he had committed against Muhammad and Muslims.



good. Muhammad (p) snubbed him because Abu sufyan's homeboys violated treaty by killing Muslims. I don't think you would want to talk to someone who hurt your feelings either. Do you?.



[ we never told you he didn't have army. This is true. And in fact, it fulfilled your bible because that showed that he was Prophet like Moses. Moses had army too



[ you struggling to hold on to your last strongholds. You failed man.


ask your Christian leaders George Bush and Tony beLIAr



you are the one trying to change history. It will not work

The Christan west were bad while the Arab Muslims were worst when it comes to enslavement of the black people. Long before the Christian European came in contact with the black people, the Arabs had been enslaving the black people for hundreds of years. The most important black person in Islam, Bilal, was a black slave owned by Abu Bakr, the first rightly guided khalifa. At a time when Bilal was carrying Islam on his head, he begged Mohammed to free him. The so-called apostle of allahh was not told by angel jibril to free the guy but the guy has to personally cried to Mohammed for his freedom. Mohammed must be so merciful!

It was on record, in the hadith, that 100% of all blacks who had contact with Mohammed were all slaves, either to Mohammed himself or to his sahabas. This fact is undeniable. While Mohammed and his fellow criminals were enslaving black people, the European (Byzantine) Christians knew nothing about it. It was later in the 16th century, the European Christians, having studied from the Arab-muslims, joined the slave trade business. The Arabs were the catalyst of the slave business, pioneered by Mohammed and his sahabas. If you don't mind I will show you many hadith (including altabari) on this issue. Feel free to ask for prove.

Slavery has no foundation in Christian beliefs as neither Jesus, nor any of the apostles, kept or own slaves. The apostle of allahh, on the other hand, was a successful slave trader ,(sunnah ibn majjah 2272)

Empiree:
SMH

You never heard of or read about prophet Muhammad's last sermon all these years?. You never heard about peaceful Conquest Of Mecca?. Skeptic like you would say prophet muhammad(saw) could easily forgive his enemies because he was weak. How about when he was religiously and politically powerful and in a position of power he could have easily destroy his enemies?. Or when the opportunity presents itself, humans are known for abusing their authority and punishing their enemies brutally.

Here, too, the Prophet demonstrated exemplary behavior. The most well-known example of this is during the peaceful takeover of Mecca by the Muslims. At a time when he could have easily destroyed his worst enemies, Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, showed remarkable restraint. This is even more significant given the culture of vicious tribal rivalry and guilt by association practiced at the time.


Among those the Prophet forgave were Abu Sufyan, a Quraysh leader who was among those who led the opposition to Islam; Ikrimah ibn Abu Jahl, an enemy whose father was one of the Prophet's most vehement opponents; Hind, the wife of Abu Sufyan, who ripped open the corpse of the Prophet's beloved uncle Hamza after the Battle of Uhud and ripped out his heart and liver; Wahshi, the man commissioned by Hind to murder Hamza; Utbah, the son of another of the Prophet's greatest foes, Abu Lahab, who had divorced the Prophet's daughter Ruqayyah under pressure from his father. None of these individuals were harmed or punished for their crimes.




I still don't understand why you want to impose parable on Luke 19:27 when it is clear as daylight that it is a violent passage?. This is just like the way you insist Quran breeds violence.

Wait ooo, did you just say "the writer". Who was the writer?. Definitely not Jesus. This shows that it was the writer's opinion. The "only way" I will leave you alone on this topic is that you either admit that the writer was not inspired but he wrote that verse and that verse has nothing to do with Jesus or we keep dragging it?.

The implication is that if you reject the passage that it was not inspired, it means your bible is corrupt as we always said. You have two desperate options. Chose one






your bible doesn't have impressive chain of narrations and chain of authority.

Who was the writer of Luke 19:27? And does the "chain" of the passage reached Jesus himself?. If it did, could you give evidence where Jesus said it was parable?.

The 3 canonical books recognized (even as many Muslims have vehemently rejected 2) are: the Quran, the hadith and the sirat rasool allahh. Can you show us where we can see this so-called propaganda, I mean the 'last sermon of the prophet'?

The problem with you Muslims is that if anyone goes to the tollet and see a book titled:'Mohammed the best and the greatest', or 'Mohammed the mercy to mankind', or 'Mohammed greatest prophet of allahh', you Muslims will take it to the mosques without verifying the authenticity of the claim and start spreading same. However if a non-muslim show you an hadith you don't like you will say it's weak or fabricated. Islam is wonderful!

You made a claim that Mohammed took over peacefully. Are you kidding me? Have you forgotten that Mecca was weakened as a result of series of wars they have fought with Mohammed and was tired of war when Mohammed finally decided to give them the final blow? Have you forgotten that Mohammed had a ten-yr peace pact with the Meccans and were not prepared for another war with Mohammed? A peace deal which Mohammed unilaterally broke by invading Mecca with his sahabas. Haven't you read, in the hadith, where Mohammed said: war is deceit?

Even at that, when Mohammed wanted to enter Mecca, he asked his men not to attack Mecca, knowing fully well that they lack the capacity to fight back, but should attack if they (the Meccans) resisted Mohammed.

During the second world war the German forces defeated the French army and destroyed many French cities but spared Paris on one condition, the Parisians must not resist Hitler's weimack and Luftwaffe. In your mind Hitler was good and showed a lot of restraint by not fighting the French on the street of Paris hence avoided its destruction. Hitler negotiated peace with the people of Paris, the same way Mohammed negotiated with the people of Mecca, from the position of strength and power (and not weakness). To disappoint you, Mohammed marked 6 Meccans for execution, even if they surrendered, among them is abdullahi ibn sarr ibn abi sarh, the foster brother of Uthman ibn Affan, the third rightly guided khalifa.

On the authorship of the Bible, Jesus never wrote down any scripture: the scripture was written about him. The laws and the prophets (the old testament, the Torah) wrote about the coming Messiah while the four Gospels (the injil) gave account of his earthly experience. The Qur'anic allahh had nothing bad against the Torah and the injil and asked Muslims to consult the people of the book for clarifications. Even allahh called Jesus the Messiah in the Qur'an (Quran 9:30). Its bad that modern Muslims are now wiser than allahh himself.

If you say the Bible is corrupt, defend this claim using the Quran.

Empiree:
You still dont get it. Maybe you chose to ignore the point. Does finding Islam attractive denotes criminal intent?. No. It reforms them. Also you keep saying islam doesn't appeal to decent Americans, i showed some people both white and black influentials who are muslims. Afterall, if they found islam attractive, it simply means it gives them second chance or a new life. You can try harder by trying to link islam with criminals, it will not work. Fact still remain that they committed crimes and were arrested while christians. And there are also undercover affluent muslims who in New York City,both males and females.


No my friend. Thats not christian legal system. That's secular laws. Your legal system is in the Old Testament. You are not following Jesus if you fail to apply old Laws.



Question is, why did christian destroy and colonize muslim countries?. You did that and destroyed and stole their resources through slave trades. The bible taught you how to steal.



Propaganda!!!. And if you want to know about christian community, go find out on your own.



Vatican comes to mind

In statistics, we have what is called 'margin of error' in sample survey. If I said most, I mean a very large proportion, let say 95%.

Throughout my argument, I have maintained that over 95% of Muslim converts in the US are either prison inmates, ex-convicts or disgruntled African-Americans, and Islam offers them the platform to form a fraternity against the conservative American system or society. Over 90% of high profile African-american Muslim converts are political activist who have been off and on the jail system. I wonder why you lack a simple comprehension skill.

As a said earlier, decent Americans that are Muslim converts, without criminal records, are very very minute and insignificant, compared to the ones with criminal records and tendencies. If an ideology is attractive to a population that are seen as outlaws, then that religion, Islam in this case, is a religion that breeds criminals and outlaws.

If you go back to Islamic history, Mohammed and his sahabas were viewed as outlaws and criminals in mecca and were ostracized and exiled to Medina. Their exile to Medina became a blessing in disguise because they were able to reorganise, form a military unit and were able to defeat oppositions and subsequently conquered Mecca from the natives and expelled rebels who area not loyal to Mohammed. Islam is a religion for rebels. Almost in every part of the world, Muslim minorities, following the playbook of their prophet, are always rebels to constituted authorities, especially when they reach a population mark of over 15%.

If you go by Nigeria's history, as a case study, you will fully appreciate the effect of Uthman Dan fodio's jihad of 1804 against the indigenous hausa people after they (the Hausas) gave them (the Muslims) land for cattle rearing and some other agro-allied trade. Today, the rest is history and don't pretend you are ignorant to this fact. The same playbook were used for the people of Ilorin in kwara state Nigeria. If you cannot see the pattern, then you need to go back and study simple logic.

I laughed when you tried to separate the American legal system from it's judeo-christian foundation; a typical Islamic and leftist taught pattern. Over 90% of American legal system are extract from the judeo-christian scriptures which advocated fairness, justice and equality of human race. Islamic Sharia is an epitome of injustice of man against man. In Islamic Sharia, all men are not born equal. The Muslim ummah is meant to be the master of the dhimmi and the kafirs, and this is what is applicable in all sharia-compliant Muslim country. Can you show me a single Muslim country where Muslims and non-muslims are viewed as equal?

You said the west colonize the Muslim world, yes I agree. Go back to history! The Muslim Turkish Ottoman empire colonized, occupy and exploited Christan Greek, Armenia, and most of the eastern European countries for over 500 years. The Muslim (the Islamic Moore) conquered and colonized Spain (Andalusia and grenada) and some part of Portugal for more than 200 years. The Muslims were only expelled and driven back to North Africa after the Spanish Inquisition. Do you know the 2nd khalifa, Umar ibn khatab? He was the one that carried global jihad to the next level conquering and destroying the great Egyptian civilization and replaced the local Copts and the Nubians population with Arabs. Think Australia, think Egypt!

You claimed that there are Christian communities in Saudi Arabia and I asked you to show me where they are but you deflected to the Vatican, can you see that Mohammed had taught you how to be deceptive? If the Saudis cannot tolerate their shia citizens in the southeastern part of Saudi Arabia, how can they tolerate their mortal enemy, the Christians and the Jews? In 2016, the Saudi authority killed the leader of their Shi'a minority, how will they treat Christians? All Saudi Christians I know of have migrated to the US or Europe because they were afraid of the religion of peace.

I don't want to believe that I'm arguing with a kid, with all due respect bro.