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PoliticsRe: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 1:55am On Jan 20, 2011
^^^^^

Did you read the bit in the Bible that says women should not speak in the church
or that women should submit to their husbands in everything



I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. (1 Timothy 2:9-10)

[b]our beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. [/b]Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. (1 Peter 3:2-5)


Please bring another lie
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 7:07pm On Jan 16, 2011
afrika:
Just read a little note on what would clarify the argument and focus our minds where we are really heading to.
This isnt to insult anybody or vex people but, research has made it known that we should just note what we are fighting for:

Biography of the Prophet Muhammad—Illustrated Volume 1 authored by ‘Abdullah Ibn Sa’d Ibn Sarh fills the above need.

This book may be one of the rarest creations where the readers may catch a glimpse of what might have been Muhammad’s time and life.

Today, Islam has become a mortal danger to the civilised world.
jerseyboy:
Thank your God you're alive to tell the story. Many have been murdered for less
Anybody posts a negative story about Islam, people accept it as proven fact. Different people post positive story about Islam, they are taken to task.
And they now say they are the lovers of peace
How can somebody just post a story like this and somebody is thanking God
Which god of untruth is that
Somebody says he realised the Prophet was passing of his own words as Allah's

We believe the former, but bot the Prophet (PBUH)
Anyway how did the man make his discovery?

Why should I not believe there is a conspiracy

The only civilisation christians want is the one that accords with the perennially-revised bible
Christians continue to publish fake Qur'an and tell lies against Islam and they are talking about civilisation
Which commandment in the bible sanctions that anyway
PoliticsRe: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by truly: 2:42pm On Jan 16, 2011
Beaf:
^
It is your story and it is a lie. That crap was forged when Ribadu was in exile, now the man is back and has said it repeatedly, that the story is false. So why are you lying?
Its a funny game, especially when exactly like Atiku, both GEJ's main opponents are tiny regional players?

Keep on with your toilet politics, you are only decieving yourself and no one else.

I de laf O! Ask Atiku where his heap of lies got him. grin grin grin grin
Do you understand the implications of what you are saying?

Sonala Olumenhse was an editor with The Guardian in the 80s

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-422673.0.html

So is he part of the conspiracy?

[color=#990000]ON September 11, 2006, the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) seized $13.5 million dollars (US) from Mrs. Patience Jonathan, the wife of then Governor of Bayelsa State, Mr. Goodluck Jonathan.

The International Herald Tribune quoted the EFCC spokesman, Mr. Osita Nwajah, as saying that the seizure was made after Mrs. Jonathan had allegedly laundered the money through an associate.


It was the second time in one month Mrs. Jonathan was hitting the scandal headlines. In August, the EFCC had obtained a court order to temporarily freeze N104 million she had allegedly tried to launder through one Mrs. Nancy Ebere Nwosu. The EFCC said it had reason to believe the seized funds belonged to the public. In a sworn statement, Mrs. Nwosu implicated Patience Jonathan, the EFCC said.[/color]


http://www.nigeriansreport.com/2010_08_01_archive.html

    "But what I am telling you is that you always say you must demolish, that word must you use is not good. It is by pleading. You appeal to the owners of the compound because they will not go into exile. Land is a serious issue".
    ~ Mrs. Patience Goodluck, the first wife of President Goodluck Jonathan of Nigeria.



The above exchange of words between the First Lady, Mrs. Patience Goodluck Jonathan and Governor Chibuike Rotimi Amaechi of Rivers state took place in Okrika last Tuesday August 24, 2010, when Mrs. Jonathan criticized the governor for his insistence to demolish water fronts to build a school. After the unpleasant incidence, she left the state without completing her tour as she angrily returned to Abuja from her civic reception ground in Okrika. She no longer visited the prisons where some inmates were waiting to be released and she cancelled the inspection of the model Secondary School at Ebubu Eleme.

Madam First Lady Patience Goodluck Jonathan has been throwing her weight around and supported by the desperate camps of President Goodluck Jonathan who have been paid millions of naira, including many Nollywood actors, to use image laundering to delete the money laundering case against Mrs. Patience Goodluck and her proxies.

Lest we forget that on September 11, 2006, Mr. Osita Nwajah, the EFCC spokesman made a public declaration that a whopping sum of $13.5 million Dollars(US) was seized from Mrs. Patience Jonathan, the wife of then Governor of Bayelsa State, Mr. Goodluck Jonathan.


http://thenationonlineng.net/web2/articles/36229/1/Between-Turai-and-Patience-who-is-now-first-lady/Page1.html

Effectively, she acted the ‘drama’ till her husband became the Vice President and now, Acting President.

There is a mouldy side, though. On September 11, 2006, the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC), seized $13.5 million from Dame Patience Jonathan, at the time she was the wife of then Governor of Bayelsa State, Mr. Goodluck Jonathan.


In the reports of The International Herald Tribune, then EFCC spokesman, Mr. Osita Nwajah, reported that the seizure was made after Dame Patience had allegedly laundered the money through an associate. She had allegedly laundered the money through a remote relation, Nancy Ebere Nwosu, a successful businesswoman of remarkable means who had lived abroad for several years.

The incident was reportedly the second time in one month that Dame Patience was hitting the scandal headlines. Earlier in August of the same year, the EFCC had obtained a court order to temporarily freeze N104 million she had allegedly tried to launder through the same Mrs. Nancy Ebere Nwosu. The EFCC said it had reason to believe that the seized funds belonged to the public. In a sworn statement, Mrs. Nwosu implicated Patience Jonathan, the EFCC said[/color].

[color=#990000]In her defense, her husband rose to quash the allegations, claiming that the reports were part of a ‘plot to destabilise’ the state.

Now that she is on a higher stage, she would need to demonstrate high morality and avoid acts that might attract embarrassment as she had projected herself many times as a symbol of motherhood and a role model to many Nigerian women


Sorry, when a case has got to court, a number has been assigned to it, people have made statements under oath, an ordinary statement by Ribadu will not do

If you want me to believe that this story is not true, you will also have to make me believe that Jonathan  is still governor of Bayelsa
PoliticsRe: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by truly: 9:44am On Jan 16, 2011
Beaf:
@truly
Ribadu himself says your story about Patience Jonathan is a lie. So what are you arguing about? Do you just like lying?
Sorry, Beaf. It is NOT my story. It is a story in NEXT newspapers. And it is a Court story. names of banks, account number, suit no etc are mentioned. I am not capable of manufacturing all these now

If Senator Folarin now claims he was never charged to court on account of Eleweomo's story, are we now going to say those who saw in court lied or start saying court records are false

September 2006, The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) named Mrs. Patience Jonathan, wife of Goodluck Jonathan, then Bayelsa State Governor, as an accomplice in the N104million-money laundering case involving Mrs. Nancy Ebere Nwosu.

The EFCC in suit number FHC/ABJ/M/340/06 filed on August 21, 2007 at the Federal High Court, Abuja alleged that the governor’s wife was the one that instructed her agent to launder the huge sum in a First Bank of Nigeria account number 3292010060711 held in the name of Nansolyvan Public Relations Limited.

http://www.elombah.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2860:ap-goodluck-jonathan-and-the-war-against-corruption&catid=52:daniel-elombah&Itemid=73


“Our investigations revealed that Mrs. Patience Jonathan, wife of the Governor of Bayelsa State, was the person who instructed one Hanner Offor to launder the said sum of N104, 000, 000 into the account of Nansolyvan Public Relations Limited with First Bank of Nigeria Plc (FBN), Niger House, Marina, Lagos,” Ofem Uket, a legal officer with the EFCC averred in an affidavit in support of originating summons of the suit.

In a Statement EFFC said: Already, the court presided over by Justice A.I. Chikere has ordered the freezing of the said account and another, Access Bank Plc no. 001001006221 held in the name of Finviclaud & Co. Limited, [/b]which the EFCC alleged was also involved in the laundering of the money.

According to the EFCC affidavit, [b]Access Bank blew the lead on the scam when it submitted a Suspicious Transaction Report (STR) to the Financial Intelligence Unit (F.I.U.) of the commission
, indicating that N70million had been laundered into an account held by Finviclaud & Co. against the usual flow of funds into the said account.

The commission deposed that its investigation showed that the N70million was deposited in the account with a personal current account FBN cheque no. 3292010060711 drawn on Nansolyvan Public Relations Limited at the Niger House Marina branch of the bank.

It claimed that the N104million found in the frozen FBN account was lodged by one Hanner Offor in two tranches of N70million and N34million on the May 3 and 4, 2006, averring that it was the governor’s wife that instructed that the money be laundered into the account. The EFCC further deposed that the two accounts belonged to Nwosu who had made statements to that effect, and consequently requested that the accounts be frozen in accordance with Section 34(1) of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission Act No. 1 of 2004.

But remember, her husband was the Bayelsa State Governor at the time. And Mr. Jonathan’s government dashed to the defence of the First Lady of Bayelsa, alleging that the reports were part of a “plot to destabilize” the state.



Is there a similarity with his former boss - Alamisiegha - style?
PoliticsRe: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by truly: 8:37am On Jan 16, 2011
Beaf:
I know! Thanks a lot anyway! grin

@topic

http://www.compassnewspaper.com/NG/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=73331:ribadu-not-even-fit-for-governor-says-akinjide&catid=43:news&Itemid=799

. . .Damaging. Very damaging!
Akinjide was Attorney General under Shagari
He was the architect of 12 2/3rd debacle
Akinjide is in Alao Akala's camp (and that also implies Johnathan camp)

http://thenationonlineng.net/web2/articles/42556/1/Akinjide-faults-Ladoja-on-fresh-crisis-in-Oyo-PDP-/Page1.html
He (Akinjide) also urged Ibadan people to shelve the idea of producing the next governor, saying Akala deserves a second-term because of his performance in the last three years.

Oh, Akinjide admired Adedibu  so much that he said he could award the thug a PhD if he (Akinjide) had the powers

Mind where your endorsement is coming from
PoliticsRe: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by truly: 8:30am On Jan 16, 2011
Beaf:
^
Lies don't get you anywhere, ask Atiku! He has been seriously punched out, lies and all! grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

http://www.pointblanknews.com/News/os3905.html
So pointblanknews is more credible than NEXT?

Who is the publisher of pointblanknews?
We know that NEXT is published by Dele Olojede - the first (and so far) Nigerian to win a Pulitzer prize

BTW - did you read the story?

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5565603-146/patience_we_are_watching.csp

Nigerians will remember how in August 2006, the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) agents seized N104 million from one Nancy Ebere Nwosu, said to be an associate of Mrs. Jonathan. On 22 August, 2006, Justice Anwuli Chikere, of the Federal High Cour[/b]t, gave the commission legal backing to retain the money pending the conclusion of investigation.

On [b]11 September of the same year
, a whopping $13.5 million [/b]was seized from Patience Jonathan herself by the agency. The investigation into these two cases are still outstanding as at this moment. Furthermore, the[b] Council on Foreign Relations, in a report on the April 2007 elections in Bayelsa State, said that Patience Jonathan was regarded as the “greediest person in Bayelsa State.”


All the possible questions are answered

What
Where
When
Who
How

Are we just to ignore official public records and proceedings because of what Ribadu says?
PoliticsRe: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by truly: 8:16am On Jan 16, 2011
http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5565603-146/patience_we_are_watching.csp

Nigerians will remember how in August 2006, the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) agents seized N104 million from one Nancy Ebere Nwosu, said to be an associate of Mrs. Jonathan. [/b]On 22 August, 2006, Justice Anwuli Chikere, of the Federal High Court, gave the commission legal backing to retain the money pending the conclusion of investigation.

[b]On 11 September of the same year, a whopping $13.5 million was seized from Patience Jonathan herself by the agency.
The investigation into these two cases are still outstanding as at this moment. Furthermore, the Council on Foreign Relations, in a report on the April 2007 elections in Bayelsa State, said that Patience Jonathan was regarded as the “greediest person in Bayelsa State.”


Note that Patience is not an ordinary housewife. She carries a lot of weight with Johnathan
PoliticsRe: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by truly: 7:51am On Jan 16, 2011
frosbel:
I have done a [img]http://2.bp..com/_9pOceLlcy4E/TD534yFKckI/AAAAAAAAAvk/lpTGSaAYr1Q/s400/uturn.png[/img]


I have done some more research about Buharis Sharia stance.

Appears that we have all been misled.

I think if he wins it might not be so bad for the country
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-586305.64.html

Frosbel, FYI, is always anti-Islam

For him to have posted this shows he came upon strong evidence
PoliticsRe: Jonathan To Meet Atiku, Ciroma by truly: 7:36am On Jan 16, 2011
Beaf:
Yes, GEJ is a master of long range tactics. Atiku and the bat, Ciroma were hit with a wicked combination they couldn't understand.
Its not all over though, vultures and parasites like Ciroma and his fellow traveller the politics of[b] ethnic bigotry[/b] will need to be kept away from the levers of power (for a century if necessary), until the new politics fully beds in.
http:///index.php/news/4615.html

Any delegate from the South-South geo-political zone who votes against President Goodluck Jonathan at the Peoples Democratic Party’s (PDP) presidential primary elections will be traced by hand written data on the ballot papers, former chairman of the PDP Board of Trustees Chief Tony Anenih warned in Port Harcourt.

Anenih issued the dire warning in the presence of President Jonathan at the South-South PDP Delegates and Stakeholders’ Conference which took place at the Banquette Hall of the Government House in Port Harcourt, the Rivers State capital.
PoliticsRe: Jonathan To Meet Atiku, Ciroma by truly: 7:32am On Jan 16, 2011
PoliticsRe: Buhari Calls For 'TOTAL' Sharia In Nigeria by truly: 8:16pm On Jan 15, 2011
KBrown:
Everyone seems to have fallen for your smart move to be silent about this dark spot during Buhari's time. 2.8 billion Naira may not look much this day but there was so much uproar when Buhari mismanaged it. He is no saint as you want Nigerians to believe. One wonders whether it is from the proceeds he made from that deal that he has been prosecuting his many failed bids to be president.

Or could it be that the 2.8 Billion is getting to finish, hence the desperation to get back to get more.

It may also interest you that during his sojourn at PTF, it was clear to many that the distribution of intervention projects especially in roads was unjustly tilted in favour of Katsina and the other Northern States.

[b]STOP DECEIVING NIGERIANS, BUHARI IS NOT A SAINT! [/b]
You are repeating the argument that Obasanjo used to back the annulment of June 12
Is Abiola the messiah? Obasanjo asked
There is no saint on the face of the earth
Johnathan (yes, no less; ask Beaf) has debunked the suitcase argument
The N2.8b. Did he really steal that when Obj was head of state
And what is the evidence. There are always rumours
Look at the Sharia issue - I know that Buhari does not even understand Islam as much as IBB
Do you remember that Obasanjo probed PTF when he became president in 1999
The panel was headed by Haroun Adamu. If Buhari was guilty, for daring to contest him in 2003, Buhari would have got more than the Atiku treatment
Like I have said, Niger Delta people headed NNPC and Petroleum ministry under Buhari

I have always wondered what we want in this country - Ojukwu said Awo was the best president we never had
But that was after the man's death. Let us leave Awo,
should Shagari have won an election with Zik & Awo contesting?
David Mark, as Minister of Communications, said telephone was not for the poor
today he is Senate President
The same mark who strongly supported the annulment of June 12 election

We always over estimate our knowledge
We were sure that Abacha would not last more than 1 year; the man spent 5 years
In 2007, we were told how Yaradua was the best thing ever for this country, we know better

I saw a thread on Fawehinmi today, people were lamenting
when he said he wanted to become president, the same people laughed at him and said he should go to the senate
The senate where a David Mark would say, "Chief, I rule you out of order" and finally "the Ayes have it"

Let us pause
PoliticsRe: Buhari Calls For 'TOTAL' Sharia In Nigeria by truly: 8:01pm On Jan 15, 2011
SapeleGuy:
My brother, with great respect you have listed a lot of appointments for a 70 [/b]year old man but achievements appear to be conspicuous by their absence.

What have his pronouncements been on the Jos crisis, how does he intend to tackle almajirism and the education issues that plagues the north. It is clear that you are an intelligent individual. You can not expect us to be swayed by him employing a christian gateman, this is a bit pedestrian. What did he achieve?
Politics is indeed a dirty game - anything to win votes whether in the national interest or not.
People said Buhari did not talk when Yaradua was sick; when evidence was produced to the effect that he asked that Johnathan be made acting president, they moved on to other excuses
Even Johnathan has personally debunked some of the false accusations against Buhari

[b]Buhari was head of state for 20 months; Johnathan has now put in 11 months
. Please tell us his achievements.
When Chad republic invaded this country, it was Buhari as GOC who drove them back and was even close to their capital. Note that Niger is predominantly muslim
As Head of State, petroleum minister was from Bayelsa (Rivers then), NNPC GMD was from South South

What are Johnathan's plans for those same things you mention. Although I regard most of the stuff we hear as rhetoric. On the basis of planning alone, Nigeria should be among top 10 in the world.

How much of NEEDS did we implement, Vision 2010 was done by Abacha (yes, same guy), we had a plan to provide Water and Shelter for All by year 2000. And the MDGs for year 2015? And Visions 20 2020?

Let us be frank with ourselves, Johnathan has been making promises - but look at the evidence
Is Folarin guilty of murdering Eleweomo or not?
Harliburton case, how far?
Will Daniel be rewarded with a senate seat after turning Ogun State into an autocracy?

Again, let us look at evidence, not just blandishments
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 8:18am On Jan 09, 2011
PoliticsRe: FBI Links Al-qaeda To Abuja Blasts by truly: 6:33pm On Jan 07, 2011
Princek12:
To my Muslim brethren: what is the big deal about Sharia that makes it attractive to Muslims? And do you guys really want Nigeria to be an Islamic state? Please respond honestly.
http://pewforum.org/newassets/images/reports/sub-saharan-africa/sub-saharan-africa-full-report.pdf
PoliticsRe: FBI Links Al-qaeda To Abuja Blasts by truly: 6:12pm On Jan 07, 2011
naijaking1:
^^^
You're right, US intelligence is not always right, especially when viewed through a colored political and economic lens. However, instead of insinuating a conspiracy theory, we should scientifically disprove their findings. For example, can our own SSS dispute the US findings? Can we get the Russians or the French to help us out instead huh
Until then, we really should focus on preserving ourself as a nation.
Really?
Do you remember Valerie Plame and Joseph Wilson
Look at this story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair

When the US has an agenda, it stops at nothing to achieve it. They even blew the cover of a CIA agent in retribution

Yes, you are right that our own people have not been able to deal with the people throwing the bombs. Although I feel that we could still get information from Boko Haram people. I read about 2 weeks ago that their financier was arrested. But as usual nothing has come out of that.
I think we lack political will to do some things. Notice how fast it took them to put Folarin in detention and how quickly Obasanjo went to protest in Abuja. But he did not protest Dikibo, Bola Ige etc assassination
Not to turn it into a political issue, but to demonstrate lack of political will

My fear is what does the US want? Are we to become another theatre (although tangential in this regard) in their battle with China?
PoliticsRe: FBI Links Al-qaeda To Abuja Blasts by truly: 5:52pm On Jan 07, 2011
X-factoria:
Guys,

Let us drop anti-American sentiments and face the real facts!

The FBI report says the bombs are all from the same source.

In October last year, there were intelligence reports linking MEND (Okah & Co) to Al Qaeda. They were said to be involved in arms deal. Perhaps, MEND is sourcing weapons from Al Qaeda or vice versa. Okah is not a freedom fighter but a confirmed arms dealer.

http://www.pointblanknews.com/News/os4086.html

I can only infer that the relationship between Al Qaeda and MEND is that of sourcing for arms from each other. This MEND in question is definitely Okah's faction and not those genuinely fighting for freedom. Okah could be helping them to import arms into the country. It is not impossible. Okah will do anything for money. He wouldn't even care about religion as long as money is involved.

Then to say that the US have ulterior motives in trying to assist the FG anti terrorism initiatives could be mischievous. Save for oil, Nigeria can rot in hell as far as the Americans are concerned. So if this is not directly about oil, then we should see the sincerity in their offer of assistance. Maybe Nigeria's unity or continued existence is paramount to them because of the oil, but at least, we stand a lot to gain in their support for the FG to ensure security of our own lives and properties in our country. Lets not be overly sentimental on issues that demand objectivity.

Our security personnels are helpless and the bombings continue. If it takes the US to come and assist (whether genuinely or otherwise) for our lives to be saved from these criminals, I am all for it.
My problem is that American intelligence is not always accurate. It may be wrong eg the Iraqis in exile peddling the notion to the CIA that  Iraqis will welcome their "liberators" from the clutches of Saddam
The CIA may set itself a target and go ahead to produce evidence to back it up.  We saw this in Iraq. even Tony Blair recently came out to confess that no matter what they would have used any excuse to invade Iraq.

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/tony-blair-we-invaded-iraq-to-change-the-region/

Let us think. Iraq is more dangerous than it was under Saddam. Sad fact
PoliticsRe: FBI Links Al-qaeda To Abuja Blasts by truly: 5:43pm On Jan 07, 2011
Rhino.5dm:
Let me complete the puzzle for you. . .

1.IRAN

2.SAUDI ARABIA

3. U.S.A

4. ISREAL.
I will take Saudi Arabia out of the list. And it is simple, the Saudi ruling familiy is a victim of terrorism itself. The Saudis tipped off the US when they discovered that bombs were being shipped via DHL

Of course, the fact that the ruling family provide co-operate with the US make some Saudi terrorists target the US

USA's covert operations arrange insurrection and assassination

Remember the Bay of Pigs Invasion
Remember how they arranged a coup to toppled a government in Iran in 1953. Prior to that, they arranged protests against the government
Remember the Iran-Contra rebels fiasco

I believe that Iran support some terrorist organisation

The MOSSAD of Israel arrange assassination, insurrection etc
I cannot explain the USS Liberty issue
But the Lavon affair was an attempt to carry out a terrorist action and blame it on Egypt
PoliticsRe: FBI Links Al-qaeda To Abuja Blasts by truly: 5:35pm On Jan 07, 2011
rasputinn:
No wonder they,re using Atiku and Babangida
And you seriously believe that Atiku and/or Babangida will collaborate with Al Qaeda? Is this ignorance on your part or desperation to paint them evil so that your Johnathan can shine. If the latter, you had better devote your time to composing emails incriminating them

As to the former, listen very well. People who want power or in power are always at logger head with Al-Qaeda. That was the reason why try as they could, the US could not establish a link between Al Qaeda and Saddam

You will never be able to link Babangida and Atiku to Al Qaeda. Why? Al Qaeda typically believe that the ruling elite in muslim countries do not do enough to advance the tenets of Islam. So they arrange a group of malcontents to upturn the existing order. That is why the ruling family and Al Qaeda don't see eye to eye. Numerous attempts have been made to decimate the ruling family in Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda too did not approve of Saddam who even had a christian deputy

If you say the bomb blasts are politically motivated using local thugs, I may not be able to confirm or deny

You also underestimate Babangida. The man is too smart to be used by a terrorist. What will be the gain? Given the number of enemies he has and with his military experience, do you think he would allow himself to be used? Can he use others, very likely. But will he allow himself to be used, very very unlikely.
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 3:31pm On Jan 06, 2011
kabukabu50:
@chiek

1)There are no moderates in Islam,if there were they would have already stood up against the radicals among thier fold,but they don't because for the most part they agree with such tactics, even though they themselves are scared or hesitant to use them.
Taking you as an example, there is no moderation in christianity. Who provided the evidence to the US to foil the bomb mailed through DHL - Saudi Arabia
Why does Yemen allow US to bomb terrorists within its country? Ditto For Pakistan allowing drone attacks

There is nothing here that has been said about christianity on this thread that has been rebutted. The cheap and typical strategy is to keep harping on things done by muslims

Again if there is moderation in christainity, why do christians tell lies in support of their religion. Why do christians publish fake Qur'an
The christians who tied people to the stake during the inquisition, are they moderates. Why do mainstream christians carry out acts of violence while the muslims that carry out violent acts are renegades.

kabukabu50:
@chiek

2)I will repeat it since you probably don't understand, more Muslims die at the hands of other Muslims, than are killed by "Infidels".
Does not mean infidel on infidel violence, means muslim on muslim violence kills more of them than "foreigners" do.
Egypt,Pakistan,Iraq,afghanistan,Syria,Saudi arabia,Lebanon muslims walk into their mosques and blow their fellow muslims up, every day of the week.
where is it that brothers don't fight. There have been ethnic clashes in SE, SS, SW and the North. The violence going on in Iraq was precipitated by the US.
Imagine if Rwanda had been a muslim country, or Congo, you would have instantly jumped on that as muslims being intolerant
Christian countries have fought more wars than Muslim countries
Christian countries have made and used more deadly weapons than muslim countries. Weapons that would kill innocents, children and women are forbidden in Islam

Please provide evidence of your daily [/b]bombing story in Syria, Lebanon (which is 60%/40% muslim/christian), Saudi Arabia, Egypt. And of course you rejoiced when a Jew entered a mosque in Hebron (Palestine) in 1994 to kill muslims worshipping on a Friday. But you would count it as a muslim act
[b]Like I have said, for a christian who is attacking Islam/defending christianity, lying is an act of worship


kabukabu50:
3)Muslim men are more likely to abuse women and children through honor killings, which you won't find happening anywhere else
They marry underaged girls who are subjected to daily ravages by these often older men, denying these girls of their pride and innocence.
These young girls are subjected to harsh conditions, and have no rights whatsoever, which is supported by Islamic laws.

Old habits dont die hard, they are changed with Modern law not Sharia law, you don't have intimacy with underaged girls,wifes have as much rights as husbands in a marriage,and Religion has no place in government.
The age of consent in the Vatican is 12

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24)

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

The Nigerian Stock Exchange closed at 12noon on Christmas Eve, but not on the Eve of the Islam's festival of sacrifice. so does religion have a place in government?

What is honor killing? Is it part of Islam? Of course not. But lying is a habit to you. It is practically impossible to eliminate all pagan practices from people who have embraced a religion. You cannot hold Islam responsible for ancient practices that Islam expressly prohibit
Please provide evidence that Islam approve these - honor killing, "ravaging of girls by men", treating women harshly
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 2:23am On Jan 05, 2011
naijangel7:
@Truly, you obviously missed the irony in my "defiling" statement. Ignorant ko, ignoramus ni. By the way, how have you as an individual spoken out against extremism in your mosque, to your Imam, to other Muslims?  Have you expounded on these "moderate" views you are posting on Nairaland to them? What was their response if you had the guts to do it?

But this thread is tired and so am I. You say Christians have a good PR machine. Let´s see how far your own PR efforts take your Muslim brothers and your faith´s reputation.
Irony where? You meant it literally by saying they would not enter a church and would rather burn it from outside. Have you too as an individual spoken out against christian extremists. No you have not
Read the posts here. Some muslims have not just defended Islam, they pointed out that the terrorists are misguided. I stated that muslims can enter a church.  I explained that attacking a christian for touching the Qur'an is wrong. He could have got it legitimately
But you persist in saying that I must justify to you what I am doing? How?

Some christians have said that muslims are just trying to be politically correct here and would go to terror websites to stir up hate. How irresponsible can people get! Do christians think muslims have advance notice of terror attacks? If they did, most of them would fail. Some innocent Muslims died in the 9/11 attacks. Why should I promote terrorism when I can become a victim anyway. In any case, what I have posted here are enough to earn me the death penalty from these extremists.

But how many christians cautioned the christians promising retaliation here. How many christians bothered to even acknowledge the extremism in christianity? Muslims must "condemn" terror etc I live with muslims and I know a lot about muslims. Really?

You don't fight misguided people by attacking those who are saying "yes, we know that some of our people are not on the right track!" The terrorists are happy when christians come to a thread like this to attack Islam. To them, there is no middle ground and the christians who attack Islam all the time are just confirming that
PoliticsRe: Why Buhari Should Never Be Made President- To Spend $15billion On Fg Industries. by truly: 5:24pm On Jan 04, 2011
This is sad! The man is saying he will build power plants and we are equating that with investing in Nitel. BTW since you don't want spending on policing (FRSC), roads, what should government spend money on?
PoliticsRe: Presidency Response To Atiku Budget Critic - High On Abuses, Short On Economics by truly: 5:21pm On Jan 04, 2011
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 5:18pm On Jan 04, 2011
congoshine:
truly = Big fat jihadist with absolutly no brains  cheesy cheesy
hahahaha
Absolutely? Without brains, we are all dead!
PoliticsRe: Presidency Response To Atiku Budget Critic - High On Abuses, Short On Economics by truly: 5:09pm On Jan 04, 2011
goggs:
why all there sources na anonymous? Who sold the dummy? Such comprehensive questions on the budget requires concise answers not one anonymous, name calling, blabing . The source, if true, ended up doing more damage to Big Joe
The story is on the front page of the Guardian. Page 6 of The BusinessDay and it is in the Nation

I am not sure that these journalists (consider just The Guardian) are so silly and incompetent at their jobs that they will fall for these dummies. FYI, virtually all the people in BusinessDay are for Johnathan. I can prove it!

Do we realise we are never so suspicious of stories disparaging Turai?
PoliticsRe: Why Buhari Should Never Be Made President- To Spend $15billion On Fg Industries. by truly: 5:00pm On Jan 04, 2011
^^^
Ma_J_Blige:
How can any sensible person take the arguments of a faceless and nameless person to be that of the Presidency? Where and when did the Presidency responded and who responded on behalf of the Presidency? Not one faceless man by one newspaper seeking for relevance.
Ma_J_Blige:
Who are the "they"huh Is this report official or the random thoughts of a journalist who says the source will prefer to remain anonymous?
I think the original poster should live up to her own standards here
PoliticsRe: Why Buhari Should Never Be Made President- To Spend $15billion On Fg Industries. by truly: 4:13pm On Jan 04, 2011
Ma_J_Blige:
What is your definition of a book? Please give a definition not one conjured up explanation. I am beginning to think I didn't go to school because someone is trying to tell us the meaning of a book.
Who am I to say somebody did not go to school? Why should I conjure up a definition. In the context of a "Bring the Book Back" Campaign, a compilation of facebook conversations does not qualify as a book. Unless the campaign is intended by the president for Nigerians (especially students) to spend more time on facebook.
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 4:09pm On Jan 04, 2011
@Comechop
Read all the posts and say that again
The OP said : Muslims what can we do to stop extremism

Then people jumped in and started bashing Islam. I hope you read all of those posts. So how do all those posts promote the objectives of the original poster. I did not set out to attack christianity. But I will continue to respond to those who attack Islam and if necessary, point out the specks in their own eyes.
PoliticsRe: Why Buhari Should Never Be Made President- To Spend $15billion On Fg Industries. by truly: 4:03pm On Jan 04, 2011
johndoe200:
The problem with Buhari is that he is a dinosaur, he is totally out of touch with the modern world. He should not be allowed anywhere near the state treasury.

He[b] is[/b] a coup plotter, we have gone beyond all these people who in any decent society should still be in jail for treason.
is or was? were you around in 2007? In a decent society Goodboy Johnathan's mentor - Obj - would have gone to the
other site for proper treason
Anyway, Rawlings should be in jail for reforming Ghana.
Such undesirable things like integrity, having only one face (rather than some creative ability to fabricate text messages), determination to fight corruption in a government (Anenih, Akala, Daniel are in charge, Haliburton case is lurching, floundering, Nwodo's ID card scam sins are erased given his willingness to hound opponents, madam's money laundering case has been patiently fogotten) that can threaten Johnathan's chances are ideas of dinosaurs

To be in touch is for a PhD holder to compile facebook posts and call it a book. I reckon it will soon replace Things Fall Apart as one of the key essential reading in our schools
Even Obj has written some books
PoliticsRe: Presidency Response To Atiku Budget Critic - High On Abuses, Short On Economics by truly: 3:44pm On Jan 04, 2011
Ma_J_Blige:
How can any sensible person take the arguments of a faceless and nameless person to be that of the Presidency? Where and when did the Presidency responded and who responded on behalf of the Presidency? Not one faceless man by one newspaper seeking for relevance.
http://thenationonlineng.net/web3/news/23682.html
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34427:presidency-debunks-atikus-claims-on-economy&catid=1:national&Itemid=559
and also page 7 of Business Day

The story requires attribution

Ma_J_Blige:
Arm chair critics. LOL. Which issues has your thick necked Atiku addressed?

For eight years, he stole and stole and stole, now, he wants to continue where he stopped? You can say all you want, arm chair critics, but the man Atiku is desperate and is using every tick in the book to get noticed. But the fact is, how many people has forgotten so easily his thieving days in government since his time in customs or he is suddenly become a saint?

What has Atiku contributed to the development of Nigeria since all his time in government? Nothing. So, what else or what more can he contribute?
But these declarations do not require proof!


OMO IBO:
I'm hoping she came to pick up the resignation letter for Yar A Doofus to sign.
Re: Turai Sneaks Into Nigeria, Removes Vital Documents From Aso Rock
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=376905.msg5260876#msg5260876

The above did not require proof or source

OMO IBO:
Utter piffle!

A journalist pieced some words together then attributed it to a phantom source at the presidency who craved anonymity and then we have uber-smart nairalanders falling for it.

Na wa ooo
But this presidency story require validation by CBN

http://thenationonlineng.net/web3/news/23682.html
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34427:presidency-debunks-atikus-claims-on-economy&catid=1:national&Itemid=559
and also page 7 of Business Day
PoliticsRe: Presidency Response To Atiku Budget Critic - High On Abuses, Short On Economics by truly: 3:35pm On Jan 04, 2011
. double post. apologies
PoliticsRe: Fbi Closing In On The Bomb Blast Suspects/sponsors by truly: 2:20pm On Jan 04, 2011
hillsate:
Is someone already confessing and trying to cover up!
Time will tell!
You remember these?

"Have you collected the balance from Dokpesi?"
"Na we do am. Meet me make I brief you"
"Let us meet at IBB Campaign Office"

lwise:
I guess Atiku may b the prime suspect in this following his unguarded statements b4 the blast.
Hes not the only one in the presidential race but hes the empty barrel that makes the loudest noise.

YOU CAN ONLY CRUCIFY A MAN FOR TWO THING:HIS WORDS AND HIS ACTIONS.

Whatever he has in mind cannot b proved in the court of law.
people often forget that it was Johnathan's man that said
there is no vacancy in Aso Rock

The issue then is why are we buying DDC machines and giving N87b to INEC if there is no vacancy

Remember that Gbago is indirectly saying there is no vacancy in Abidjan govt house
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 1:41pm On Jan 04, 2011
augustborn:
Even in Lagos, u need the listen to the Muslims call for prayers anytime.

It is a call to attack the religion called Christian, their preaching is mostly name calling.

I hope if the christians were to preach against them they do to us, it would have been war and nothing but war, but one thing we must learn and know is that we all call on GOD and that GOD is the GOD that we know, no matter any attribute or other name you give to that GOD.

Therefore, respect for humanity must be topmost in our hearts. The promise of Ten virgins after killing is barbaric and absurd. It must be jetissoned and forgotten.

Muslims don't have monopoly of violence ooooo. Lets be careful not to provoke others.
How does call to prayer amount to inciting people to attack christianity. I have not heard it anywhere in the world that calling people to come and pray is provocative

Actually, christians have monopoly over weapons of overwhelming violence. 3 christian-dominated countries are permanently in the UN security council

Provocative actions by christians abound.
Christians publish fake Qur'an. Don't dispute it; I have a copy
Christians are more likely to initiate false stories about Islam. I can prove it too

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