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Richirich713:
And after all that smoke, didn't jesus say we must honor him just like we honor the father ?

Scriptures for such claims please.

The title the 'Alpha and Omega' Is when used thus is exclusively for Yahweh.

Jesus is 'described' as the fast and the last in another sense.

That is, he Jesus is the first Person to have died and be personally be resurrected personally by Yahweh as an immortal spirit creature to heaven, and the last that will be so resurrected personally by Yahweh.

Every other resurrection will be done by Jesus Christ himself.

Hence, Jesus is the "First and the Last" for such unique privileged.

However, the titles when used as "Alpha and Omega" belongs to Yahweh.

Peace..

Richirich713:
But jesus told us to honor him just like we honor the father

Lol. Are you for real?

Jesus help people know the implications of rejecting him since there is no other name under heaven that one can be saved.

Rather, when Jesus found himself "fashioned as a man he humbled himself".

Jesus was/set the finest example of humility till date and is still the best example we have.

He was and is the complete opposite of Satan the Devil who wanted to be equal to Yahweh.

The exact offence of Satan that Satan is guilty of is what you are inputting to Jesus as doing.

Any Scripture produce by anyone to that effect, that Jesus wanted to be equal to Yahweh must definitely be suffering from misunderstanding or mistranslation or the like.

Peace.

Richirich713:
He keeps on contradicting the scriptures with his beliefs, yet he holds on to his words that does not seem logical .

1. He says the messenger is an angel, then says the messenger is almighty god. When he was shown that all angels are created, he refused to accept and says that that particular angel was not created

I contradict scriptures? u the one saying there are other gods even tho Yahweh says there are no other gods besides him.

Do I contradict the bible? Erm no cuz the bible says jesus is God, says the messenger is god, says jesus is eternal, says jesus is worship, says jesus is one with the farther.

I shown u that particular messenger is more than a creation, for if that particular messenger was jesus then that means he is uncreated and eternal.

I believe that messenger is jesus who is the word of God, meaning he is 1 with god in essence.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

2. He keeps on saying Jesus is god , and then says all other gods are false? But he could not explain if Jesus is the father and if the father is god. Cus explaining such will show his beliefs to be false.

Maybe the bible also keep saying jesus is God

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

“as we await the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all lawlessness and purify for Himself a special people, zealous of good works.” Titus 2:13-14

Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Prove wat false? It proves ur beliefs false about jesus and the holy spirit.


3. He says Jesus is worshiped, yet he did not accept that someone superior said they should show obesience to him.

Is this obesience or is this worship?

And I heard EVERY CREATURE in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all therein, saying, ‘To him who sits upon the throne AND TO THE LAMB be blessing and honor and glory and might for ever and ever!’ And the four living creatures said, ‘Amen!’ and the elders fell down and worshiped." Revelation 5:1-14

4. He says Jesus is almighty god, and he could not accept that the same Jesus is subjected to someone. Can an almighty be subjected to someone.?


Looks like the bible again disagrees with u.

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." Philippians 2:5-8 ESV

Let him continue to believe that a messenger is his almighty god. That the messenger came to talk about himself and not the one who sent him.

Correction I will continue to believe in wat all the bible says and not reject it wen it calls jesus or the holy spirit god or Yahweh.

I will continue to follow wat is true Christianity, wat the earliest christians followed, wat the disciples followed, and all of wat the scriptures teach.

And U will continue to follow the 19 century interpretations of modern day JW's.

See, read that Titus 2:13 from another translation:

and glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior, Jesus Christ.

I think most of your Error is due to the translation. I say error cause if one goes by such, the Bible will be said to be contradictory.

Richirich713:
Secondly saying the bible does not identify Jesus as Yahweh is false.

But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple area, '[size=14pt]Hosanna to the Son of David,[/size] they were indignant. 'Do you hear what these children are saying?' they asked him. '[size=14pt]Yes[/size],' replied Jesus, 'have you never read, "[size=14pt]From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise[/size]?"'" Matthew 21:15-16

[size=14pt]O LORD, our Lord[/size], how majestic is your name in all the earth! You have set your glory above the heavens. [size=14pt]From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise[/size] because of your enemies, to silence the foe and the avenger." Psalm 8:1-2

Next remember [size=14pt]John said Isaiah saw Jesus[/size] yet the old testament say [size=14pt]Isaiah saw the Lord Yahweh[/size].

^^ I See, you are having issues with what is written in Rev. that Worship was given to Yahweh and Jesus Christ. well, such is the elevation that Yahweh has given to Jesus for a faithful service.

An Egyptian king once elevated Joseph to seat with him on the throne as his second in command, when Egyptians knelt before the king, Joseph also received honor, that does not mean that Joseph has became the King, rather, he still remains the second in command.

OK, now, lets see What honor was given to David and the sort that was given to Jesus what difference there is, if it hence made David equal to Yahweh or the Almighty God:

Rev. 5:13,14

And I heard EVERY CREATURE in heaven and on earth and
under the earth and in the sea, and all therein, saying, ‘To
him who sits upon the throne AND TO THE LAMB be
blessing and honor and glory and might for ever and ever!’
And the four living creatures said, ‘Amen!’ and the elders fell
down and worshiped.".

1Chronicles 29:20

David then said to all the congregation: “Now praise Jehovah your God.” And all the congregation praised Jehovah the God of their forefathers and bowed low and prostrated themselves to Jehovah and to the king(David) .
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Now, that such ^ honor was given to David on the throne by Yahweh, does that made him equal to Yahweh?

Don't forget that the Messiah is to seat on the throne of David.

So, your argument based on such, to arrived at the conclusion that it Makes Jesus Yahweh is inconsequential and invalid.
Peace.

Boomark:
The Kingdom of God(aka Kingdom of Heaven) is made up of the new heaven(s) and the new earth.
That you want to make "heaven" does not mean you will be living in the sky. It means that you will make the Kingdom of God which is also known as the kingdom of heaven. But lets see what the bible teaches about the kingdom with respect to the earth.
1. "He the true God, the Former of the earth... Who formed it even to be inhabited:...Isa 45:18. There is a reason for the creation of the earth. Even the new earth is made to be inhabited as we shall also see.
2. The meek shall possess the earth. Mt 5:5, Ps 37:11. This will certainly come and it will happen in this manner:
3. May your kingdom come, may your will be done on earth as it Is in heaven. Mt 6:10. What is been done in heaven? It Is Righteousness and it will be done in the same manner here on earth with perfection. For it says, "seek first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness... Mt 6:33. This is the will of God for man. And again, Peter wrote:
4. But there are new HEAVENS and A new EARTH that we are awaiting... And in THESE righteousness is to dwell. 2Pe 3:13. Remember, He did not create the earth for nothing but to be inhabited, Isa 45:18, and in it righteousness will dwell.
For those who think they will fly up during rapture, remain in heaven and never come down, don't be disappointed with these ones coming below...what happens in the end as Christ revealed it matters.
5. "... I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, COMING DOWN out of HEAVEN from God... Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them..." Rev 21:1-3.
6. And the nations will walk by means of its light, and the KINGS OF THE EARTH will bring glory into it. Rev 21:24. You can read though Rev 21 to see details.
So for those mocking the Jehovah's witnesses of wanting to possess the EARTH and all the sky scrapers, it seems the are right in their teaching and you are wrong. But at least you have gained knowledge that eluded you all these years. You don't have to wonder "how could this be?" it is always there but what you have been taught to believe made it so. Am not a "Jehovah's witness" but I witness for Jehovah. Every christian should or is witnessing for Jehovah unless you don't know the truth about what you are actually doing. Christ, the true witness, witnessed for Jehovah. Nothing will make these things wrong...if you think you have proof(some other proof) brace yourself like a man and bring it on.

Interesting! The above ^^^ have been around for sometimes now.
though am just seeing it, am surprised no one challenged it all this while.

plappville:
Ma broda, longest time. I can see you still active in NL.
Greetings.

Plap Plap. Good day. Good to hear from you. long time. Yea! I still do show up on NL.

Thanks.

Peace.

Actually, this should have red:

truthislight:
@Muttleylaff

This is not ROMANCE section, but rather, it is called RELIGIOUS SECTION for a reason. Here you don't speak to Fancy and desire a clap. Here you show evidence for all you say.

What we should be debating here in religious section should be Scriptural application and meanings and not Hullabaloo.

Enjoy!

Peace.

Yeah! romance section instead of "political" section is best for what has been happening thus far.

@Muttleylaff

This is not politics section, but rather, it is called RELIGIOUS SECTION for a reason. Here you don't speak to Fancy and desire a clap. Here you show evidence for all you say.

What we should be debating here in religious section should be Scriptural application and meanings and not Hullabaloo.

Enjoy!

Peace.

@Muttleylaff

It is when you "take notice of Yahweh in all your ways" that is when one can be said to have "acquired wisdom" from the standpoint of Yahweh.

Again, On your statement ton Satan fall before Adam fall is an issue we have not addressed yet due to your not answering questions directly, but prefer glossing over issues.

I showed Rev. 12:9 to you and ask you if that Satan being casted out took place before Adam sinned, did you gave an Answer, no,you glossed over the question.

Such has been your lot on issues here. are you will to take a stand on your statement now? I doubt. but still, if you wish, go ahead and provide verification to your statement on Satan haven fallen "from time immemorial".

Turn a new leaf for once. Give a direct answer to question.

Have a look at some words that you believe can address questions, they are words that are not found in the Bible. eg:

=, >, <, "God the son".

You have employed such none biblical words above as a tool to address a Bible based question, you best know the reason why. Is it for lack of sufficient words from the Bible I don't know, but you know.

Why you expect us to take such kind of none biblical words you pulled from (you know where) Your head.... to the bank, beats my imagination.

don't you think, if you want us to get Gods blessings, that we will be safer relying just on the word of God and not on those your "dancing tools"?

how and why should we accept = <? Just because Muttleylaff said so?

@Muttleylaff

You don't give answers to questions when directly given to you, what you do is play around the question and hope that the issue has been glossed over and you accuse the questioner of "nit picking".

The above attititude does not encouraged assimilation and knowledge sharing.

If you imagined that you can blind fold human, can God be blind folded?

Stop dancing around questions and learn to allow the Bible to speak. That is, let all those plenty words of yours that cannot give life nor change the color of human hair be quoting directly from the word of God.

You allow your playing with words which you do a lot to override seriousness on serious matters, which should not be, but priority should rather be given to the Word of God and not on your own words.

Read your post here again and see which you projected the most: God's word or your own words.

Prov. 3:5-7

Trust in Jehovahe with all your heart,
And do not rely on your own understanding.
 6 In all your ways take notice of him,
And he will make your paths straight.
 7 Do not become wise in your own eyes.
Fear Jehovah and turn away from bad.
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MuttleyLaff:
This much is certain Satan is an invisible or celestial being

Another certainty is, Satan at one time would have been an angel or be an Arch-angel (i.e. a step above an angel)

Satan right now, no more is God's angel.
Satan is now ''his own man or own person''

Bottom line, albeit in an inverted manner, Satan is a ''man of his own invention''
- Satan found some unique thought(s) within self,
stirring up the thought(s) or acting upon them was unsuccessful
and led Satan to become a persona non grata, which Satan now is

All of the descriptions in that passage and the previous chapters are about the king mentioned in it

That earthly Tyre king wasnt in that literal ''Eden'' but was in this Eden mentioned in ''A Lament for Tyre'' in Ezekiel 27:21-23:

²¹The Arabians and the princes of Kedar sent merchants to trade lambs and rams and male goats in exchange for your goods.
²²The merchants of Sheba and Raamah came with all kinds of spices, jewels, and gold in exchange for your wares.
²³“Haran, Canneh, EDEN, Sheba, Asshur, and Kilmad came with their merchandise, too
- Ezekiel 27:21-23

The reason Ezekiel, was suggesting the King was in Eden, the garden of God, was because the King was so blessed by God, that the blessing, knowledge, might etcetera was virtually the same as like being in Eden, the garden of God.
The king in essence, was on par with Adam and all Adam had, before Adam's fall from grace.

For what you havent known yet, is, he, the King of Tyre and not satan, is the object of discussion in those verses you quoted.

Further to the bit explained above, it is the King of Tyre and NOT satan, who was compared to and/or called a cherub

Satan is more of a seraphim than being a cherub or cherubim

Here, you're falling into the trap of playing eisegesis with Rev 12:9

The above statement is one of such that I find impossible to sweep under the carpet. honestly, an explanation wont be a bad idea. I mean! How can an imperfect offspring of Adam have had what Adam had? How would he have had perfection not to talk of having the prospect of eternal life that Adam was.

Such statements is what we can do without. what Adam lost was great.

You ^ are trolling this thread, you deserved to be reported cause you are derailing the thread I hope the OP does something about it.

You have become a nuisance.

MuttleyLaff:
I am inclined to that school of thought.
- my mental disposition gravitates to it

The latter came first

Note that Adam (i.e. as in, Man or human beings) is a product of necessity is the mother of invention
Also note that, a need and/or problem(s) encourages creative efforts to meet the need and/or solve the problem(s)

Well then, you are insinuating that the incident recorded at Rev.12:9 Took place before Adam sinned inevitably:

Rev.12:9
So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him
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Please, confirm that the above is what your stand is on this matter before any further questions.

Peace.

johnw74:
surprised you agree with me but it doesn't change who you are
Those who call themselves Jehovahs Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, are the church of satan

Agree with you on what? Pleaseeeee! spare me!
You are so Immature. Take a break.

MuttleyLaff:
These responses then exonerates me from the claim of making an overstatement

Re-package this, as I am not sure what you're asking of before the fall of Adam

If I do or did, I wouldnt be requesting you rephrase the question

Before Adam sin in the garden of Eden, had Satan been sent out of heaven?

In other words, between Adam sinning in Eden and Satan being sent out of heaven, which came first?

Lol ^^^^^^. laughing in 10 languages.

lol . Hahahahahaha, Hohohohoho.Huhuhuhuhuh. Kikikikikiki. Hehehehe he. I no fit laugh Again o

MuttleyLaff:
Bro, whatever I posted wasnt an overstatement,
and so the original ''Satan, from time immemorial, has always been an ex-Heaven resident'' premise still holds
- you read too much into ''time immemorial''. I thought it was dolphinheart alone who was into nitpicking & legalistic exercise

1. Is satan still a resident in Heaven?
2. Is satan still a prince in the court(s) in Heaven?

To the above two Questions I tagged in your post above. I answer thus:

1. No, Satan is still not a prince in heaven.
2. No. he is not, in fact, he was casted out. According to Rev.12:9.

But, if I may ask, was it Before the fall of Adam?

I know and hope you won't look at making sense of this matter as inconsequential.

Peace.

MuttleyLaff:
You forgot to add Watson at the end

Permit me to qualify the statement on red with this:
Satan, from time immemorial, has always been an ex-Heaven resident stopped having influence in the Heaven

Please dont start asking a, how long is a piece of string, question.

Peace, love & hair grease.

Actually, why I am asking is because I have heard some people insinuating that Satan fell before the fall of man(whatever that means).

So, now that you came up with similar statement, I had no other option than to ask for evidence.

Well, if you don't provide evidence for the claim, taking it with a pinch of salt then is an over statement.

A situation where Bible evidence are not sufficient to use in answering questions, that spells confusion.

Any body that has no Bible portion to use in answering a question should better hold his post and exercise self control by not posting.

If Bible authority is not sufficient for any person here to use, he or she should proceed to Islam for Muslim section ASAP. There, they have alternative Scripture. Imagine!

Human Imagination cannot give any person everlasting life, but only God can, hence, we should start and end our answers with the word of God.

Thank you.

MuttleyLaff:
Am not saying, you tried pulling a fast one on us there,
but only wanted to see how you stood, on whether satan is a celestial being or not a celestial being anymore
- one cant, on a matter like this, sit on the fence, like you first tried to do bro

Yes, Satan, from time immemorial, has always been an ex-Heaven resident
and long gone lost favour with God

On the red, not so first. can we have some particulars ? what evidence do you have for the statement on red?

I am keenly interested. when did that "time immemorial" started. and the evidences for that statement.

peace.

johnw74:
You were shown that Father God never called an angel "my Son'


you reject the scriptures
you stick with your lie
and you think God doesn't see

Well, its like you agree that Jesus is also called morning Star like the other sons of God. Since you agree by your silence and silence is consent, I may not have to show it to you again unless otherwise stated.

Peace.

johnw74:
I know you don't believe the bible and you keep showing that to be true over and over again


The sentence you went satanic over
vvv
Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

and again you don't believe that verse you don't believe the Bible

Angels are called sons of God because God the Word created the Angels
Father God has never called an angel "my Son" as the verse above which is true tells

other verses show also that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God,
father God calls Jesus "my Son" but never did to an Angel ,as the verse above shows, which you don't believe

[size=14pt]yours @red, the jw tongue is evil indeed.[/size]

Lol.

This teaching exercise is taking longer than I had imagined.

Next, I will show you that Jesus is also called "Morning star" Just like the other Angels.

Yes, that is what the Bible says, even though your belief will give you more heart ache, that is not my fault.

Your silly excusses above after lying against Yahweh is very very appalling, since I already know you are a good liar, I won't bother myself to complaining much, but rather, poor the truth on your head until.......... Yes, that is what that will be done.

Take note, Jesus is also a morning Star. all sons of Yahweh are called Morning stars.

They all go on errands for Yahweh, hence they are also called messengers = Angel. Yes, by default, all messengers are Angel, and are morning Stars.

Peace.

. . ^^^^^^^

This is a case. Lol. SMH. I no fit laugh. Does he really understood the Msg that @Bernimoore was passing? I doubt. SMH.

^^^^

The thread is demanding where a clear reference was made that Satan is an Angel and not based on deductions of facts and evidence.

The OP is not saying that he denies or does not know the evidences available showing that Satan was an Angel, but he is showing that there is no direct reference to Satan as such in the Bible, but rather, from deductions only, that conclusion can be drawn that Satan was an Angel.

Samething with Jesus being referred to as an Angel. No direct reference.

If it is wrong for such deductions to be made for Jesus, why is such deductions allowed for Satan ?? ?? ??.

The funny aspect is that your knowledge of the Bible is highly limited, meanwhile, see the noise you are making.

At this rate of making spurious statements, you risk compromising your reputation.

Anyway, I had already told you what to do: see a doctor.

See you blundering out of ignorance below on red:

johnw74:
Thread Title:

Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? [size=14pt]Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel[/size]




Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?



Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".


Father God has never said to an Angel "sit at my right hand"

The above is a misrepresentation of Yahweh and a lie, it is also an error against the Bible.

Such shows why every Tom Dick and Harry should not open a church and teach people out of ignorance.

The Bible says that, if a blind man leads a blind man, that the two will fall into a pit.

See below and learn:

Job 38:4-7

Where were you when I founded the earth?
Tell me, if you think you understand.
 5 Who set its measurements, in case you know,
Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
 6 Into what were its pedestals sunk,
Or who laid its cornerstone,
 7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?
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^^

There you have it.

in the Bible, Angels are called morning stars, hence, the plural- Stars and plural- Sons of God.

They all "Cried out together".

And they all "shouted in applause ", after the creation of planet earth.
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So, it is obvious that Yahweh calls Angels "SONS". Though you came here to lie against Yahweh.

you can also read Genesis 6:4:

The Nephʹi·lim were on the earth in those days and afterward. During that time the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men, and these bore sons to them. They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame.
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So, again I say, STOP LYING!

For the blind following a blind man, I say, SORRY!

People should go and study the Bible and stop following self appointed "men of God ".

If you have reservations on what I have posted up there^, ask questions, let the Bible clear all your doubts.

later, I will show you that Jesus is also one of the " Morning stars"

Peace.

johnw74:
when jw cannot understand he cries
lies lies lies lies lies

the satanic accusing spirit in you








however I must say that lying comes naturally to jw

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you make it very clear who is your father

Guy, go see a doctor, you need one.

Peace.

johnw74:
from ridiculously ill ^^^



to demonically accusing vvv






showing the spirit that's in jw

Well, I did show to you your lies.
That it annoyed you is not my fault.

You remind me of the illustration of a mad man that made away with the clothing of an unclad man bathing in the stream, on running after the mad man naked, people shouted: see two mad men!
Joining you at this rate may lead to such conclusion.

Well, apostle Paul must have been silly and foolish for engaging in three (3) missionary journey, forgetting he was saved by grace. I wander why Jesus sent his disciples to preach, forgetting that they were saved by grace.

Jesus must have had a memory laps for telling his disciples to go make disciples in all the nations. Continue in your ignorance, it is bliss.

Anyway, Not all can sustain what Apostle Paul and Jesus apostles did for a life time. It is not by might.

Again.
If you find a thread for the topic you are posting, you will not stand to defend all you are posting here, but see you here derailing this thread as a lawless person that you are.

I don't wish to join you in your lawlessness. Thread's go by their topic, and this thread is not for anything other than your likes showing where Satan is called an Angel.

Since you failed on that, your frustration is understandable.

Keep believing that the undeserved kindness/grace of God is an excuse for loose conduct.

johnw74:
he did not clearly follow them at all, that's another jw lie
he, the Angel of the Lord who led israel at the front, went behing Israel that night before crossing the sea, to keep pharoahs army from attacking

Exo 14:19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:
Exo 14:20 And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night.






This is also a Prophecy:
Exo 17:6 Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.

1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Israel did smite that rock,
and after He was speared in the side, and come water out of him
I know jw will be confused because it was a Roman soldier who speared the Lord Jesus Christ

This man you can lie o. that 1Cor10:4 was taking about what the sons of Israel in the wilderness drank, when Moses struck the ruck and water came out for them to drink, that Jesus was that rock.

You are here saying it was not in the wilderness, but when a Roman soldiers struck Jesus with a spare that was when the water came out. Lol. you can lie o.

Let me ask you, who and who drank from the water that came out from Jesus body when the Roman Soldier struck him and water came out ?




Mr man, stop lying, see the full passage of that 1Cor 10:1-5 below:

10 Now I want you to know, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea 2 and all got baptized into Moses by means of the cloud and of the sea, 3 and all ate the same spiritual food 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink For they used to drink from the spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock was the Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them, for they were struck down in the wilderness.
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Na Wao, Your church members dong see nonsense plenty, how did that water that the Israelites drank come to be the water that the Roman Soldier pierced from Jesus ?

How did the water from Jesus rib test on the mouth of the Israelites on the wildernes? Lol

This your cut and nail doctrine that you spew anything that enters your head is unsafe o.

Please, stop lying.

Anyone that wakes up will open Church and teach whatever they want. SMH.

Peace.

Angel = Messenger, Messenger= Angel.
Someone insist still that a messenger is not an Angel
Hehehehe. lol.
I laugh in Chinese language.
Messenger is not An Angel.