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"ignorant, wrong theories!" are now your words use to described what i have said from the bible.

Well, that is who you are are.

chukwudi44: In what way are my watering down the bible? By telling you about the authourship of the letter of James or teelling you that Joshua could not have been the author of the book of Joshua since authour quoted a book that wrote about David and jonathan (compare Josh 10:13 and 2 sam 1:18)

Obviously you are begining to see that most of your theories are wrong.the authourship of most of these books are unknown contrary to what you think but that does not mean there are not scriptures

your interest are obvious.

That is why you posted this contradiction here below:

chukwudi44: Obviously you are begining to see that most of your theories are wrong.the authourship of most of these books are unknown contrary to what you think but that does not mean there are not scriptures

^^^

you interest here are the apocriphals.

And i say that those that cannonise the NT were not stupid. Though you said they are.

You will say all sort of people wrote the bible as an excuses to bring in your apocriphals.

Ah! You will present your contradictory apocriphals as a reason to accept books that have no basis into the scriptures.

If to you God is irrational, then good and fine for you.

But my God is alive and living and will ensure that his words will get to those he wants to save.
Peace.

Well, if my crime is just being funny then well and fine.

But compare your own words:

chukwudi44: @truthislight

James the just the writer of the letter of James was not among the twelve apostles.He is not to be confused with James the brother of John nor James the son of alphaeus.

with this:

chukwudi44: @truthislight
3.James the just. Blood relative of Jesus, the first bishop of Jerusalem and one of the most influential leaders of the early church.

shading more light will only show that the writers of the NT were not just "comers" since Yahweh does not deal with all sort of men.

I only wish that the bible be left the way it is and not to be watered down.

Peace.

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chukwudi44: The 7 books in question was written before the comming of christ and the time of the apostles so I don't really get your point?

dont you think you should leave the "befor the coming of christ" to the jews to decide which book is which?

My attention here is the NT.

tbaba1234: What does this mean exactly? directed sired Does that mean he was created?

That would imply an adoption which makes no sense as well.

I am just asking for a simply common sense explanation to the term 'son of God'? If you are going to believe something necessary for your salvation, it has to make common sense.

You will not cross the road blind now, will you?

it will not make "common sense" to a muslim of your sort. QED

hahaha. Lol.

"apply common sense" you say!

Do you apply common sense when you go for your suicidal mission to kill other humans? No.

Run!

chukwudi44: @truthislight

James the just the writer of the letter of James was not among the twelve apostles.He is not to be confused with James the brother of John nor James the son of alphaeus.you can google and read up these historical characters,

I don't need your validation for any book of the bible and would not really bother if you refer to the entire biblical books as apocryphal.Thhe most important thing for me is the decision of the church as exemplified by the synod of hippo which created the xtian canon

I dont really know what your argument is.

I dont based my arguments on adulterated history but on an history that has been preserved for us.

This is the James that wrote the bible:

"After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles." (1 Corinthians 15:7).

And this:

"Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day’s journey. And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren." (Acts 1:12-14).

^^^

this were preserved for us to know and have faith.

Better still any were you turn it is well attested to, who the writer can be.

"Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:" (Jude 1:1).

"But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother." (Galatians 1:19).

"And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision." (Galatians 2:9).

Definitely not your James :

chukwudi44: @truthislight

James the just the writer of the letter of James was not among the twelve apostles.He is not to be confused with James the brother of John nor James the son of alphaeus.you can google and read up these historical characters,

i dont know who is your James the just.

The credentials of the writer of the bible book of James is very obvious and is not your "James the Just"

read this it will help you know :

"Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:" (Jude 1:1).


"After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles." (1 Corinthians 15:7).

What else do you need?


James the brother of Jesus was also regarded as an apostle.

"Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother." (Galatians 1:18-19).



Jesus did not use any and any persons to write the bible.

Can you present the credential of the writers of the apocriphals let us examined and see how christ appeared to them and who they are that their books should be taken as authority for christians?

chukwudi44: @truthislight

James the just the writer of the letter of James was not among the twelve apostles.He is not to be confused with James the brother of John nor James the son of alphaeus.you can google and read up these historical characters,

I don't need your validation for any book of the bible and would not really bother if you refer to the entire biblical books as apocryphal.Thhe most important thing for me is the decision of the church as exemplified by the synod of hippo which created the xtian canon

I dont really know what your argument is.

I dont based my arguments on adulterated history but on an history that has been preserved for us.

This is the James that wrote the bible:

"After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles." (1 Corinthians 15:7).

And this:

"Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day’s journey. And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren." (Acts 1:12-14).

^^^

this were preserved for us to know and have faith.

Better still any were you turn it is well attested to, who the writer can be.

"Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:" (Jude 1:1).

"But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother." (Galatians 1:19).

"And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision." (Galatians 2:9).

Definitely not your James :

chukwudi44: @truthislight

James the just the writer of the letter of James was not among the twelve apostles.He is not to be confused with James the brother of John nor James the son of alphaeus.you can google and read up these historical characters,

i dont know who is your James the just.

The credentials of the writer of the bible book of James is very obvious and is not your "James the Just"

read this it will help you know :

"Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:" (Jude 1:1).


"After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles." (1 Corinthians 15:7).

What else do you need?

Jesus did not use any and any persons to write the bible.

Can you present the credential of the writers of the apocriphals let us examined and see how christ appeared to them and who they are that their books should be taken as authority for christians?

chukwudi44: @truthislight

James the just the writer of the letter of James was not among the twelve apostles.He is not to be confused with James the brother of John nor James the son of alphaeus.you can google and read up these historical characters,

I don't need your validation for any book of the bible and would not really bother if you refer to the entire biblical books as apocryphal.Thhe most important thing for me is the decision of the church as exemplified by the synod of hippo which created the xtian canon

^^^

your words.

You wish/want to imagined that any and any how persons just stood up and write all contradictory things and it is God's words? No.

Lol.

The apocriphals are contradictory books.

Ubenedictus: job doesn't fit this criteria! Thank God this isn't an exam! Lol

dont exposed you limitation.

The book of Job was written by moses.
Peace

Paxchal: Y'all missed this?

it is useless.

It is not meant for enlightenment but for degrading criticism.

If it was muhamed, he will have been shouting "peace be upon him" instead of saying something.

The corruption and greed in them runs deep.

Were are they sef?

Let them come and teach us the bible and how to use it to make money instead of God's kingdom.

Since we are "darkness" they the light should not run, but darkness is suppose to run.

But why have they ran away?

Is it possible that they are the darkness that think that the grace and freedom of the children of God is an excused for profit marking and fraudulent riches for themselves?

Let them come explain

Boomark: I showed you how natural body is different from spiritual body. You left it and run to genesis. Did God state the life span of a perfect Adam. If man was meant to die at 1000 yrs of age, then Adam and co lived a perfect life. You left there and run to Isaiah...

Infact my plan is to catch you with net and tie you one place. Am tired of running with you.

the guy is a disgrace sometimes, infact, most of the times.

pastormustwacc: Well, the apostles casted lots when they wanted to replace judas. Lots and polls na the same.

But are you implying that only 1 set of people will enter God's kingdom based on their view of arcangel michael being Jesus huh

what?

Pastormustwacc, you sure know how to look for trouble.

When did i say what you are saying.
Lol.

Your views.

Bring them on.

I simply said that entrance into God'skingdom is not based on polls. QED.

All the rest na you sabi.

It is God that knows who will enter his kingdom, and at the end at that.
Peace.

RanchOwner: As it is in the bible John 17, Jesus prayed for believers and He is coming for His Bride (the church) and not brides (various denominations).

Also Peter never started the Catholic Church.
He was married.
He went to Rome to evangelise, he was killed for the gospel's sake, actually he was crucified upside down (his own preference, as he didn't want to be martyred upright like Jesus Christ).

Who is this?

RanchOwner: actually he was crucified upside down (his own preference, as he didn't want to be martyred upright like Jesus Christ).

^^^

laughing in 10 languages including chinese.
Lol.

Imagine that!

mkmyers45: LOL

Im not an ex-catholic

and
am
no
atheist

my friend mkmyers, we have been on this part befor remember?

You always do the dirty laundery for RCC.

What is the difference between you and an atheist?

"Lying for church"

maybe you will get "god's" favour.
Lol

ijawkid: I have a feeling and it seems its true that most of the atheists we have around were ex-catholics....

Just my observation......if I'm wrong abeg make ona correct me.......

Because the way they fly out to defend the catholic church stupefies me.......

Smh!!!!!......

this ^^^ is actually the truth and nothing but the truth!

Any contrary view? No.

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The OT writers were not picked randomly, the writers of the OT were either of the following.

1. Prophets.
2. Judges
3. Kings
4. levites.

God did not pick people randomly to write the OT.

God did not pick people randomly to write the NT.

chukwudi44: This is not me denying anything !! Was paul among the twelve apostles? How much differant is paul from luke and. Mark?

Is mattew and John not also history? What about the pentateuch and several other biblical books,don't they also contain histories?

Also Writers of James and Jude were not also among the twelve apostles

i dont know your source of history.

But this is not true:

chukwudi44: Also Writers of James and Jude were not also among the twelve apostles

you need to make more research.

If you are bent on saying that all comers were use to write the bible so that you can justify the use of the apocriphals, then you can please yourself, am not the one to tell you if you should accept them or not, infact, i cannot not dictate what one wants to belief.

I for one will ever stick to the writings of the apostles that dont contradict itself (the bible) than accept all "comers".

If you and i have the capacity to produce a book or produce a write up that does not contradict itself how much more God?

Well, unless you also wish to tell me that he(God) is irrational. No, he is not.
Peace

frosbel: Thanks for this Bookmark. I will Bookmark this article

Anyway , the simple question is , how can a Father be his own SON and a SON be his Father at the same time.

I mean common guys, this is simple logic !

Problem is , when we begin to form theology on matters so clearly laid out in scripture , into a complex web of impossible to understand logic, we end up confusing not only ourselves but also other newbies to the faith.

Jesus Christ was neither GOD nor an angel , he was and is the Son of GOD, the Messiah and the Christ.

lol. My friend, you should have said that christ never preexisted like you always said.

true2god: Who told u i dnt believe in the unity of the godhead, the father, the son and the holy spirit as one? Dats the matter for another thread sha.

did you missed all the trinity thread that went on in this forum and only saw archangels thread and ran and hang on it?
Because you wish to shout "watchtower!" ?

Why not open frosbel profile and bring out one of the numerous trinity thread therein and start "correcting" the post in there?

That at least will show how honest you are and how much you wish to point out the "truth" and defend it.

Go now, we are waiting.

pastormustwacc: You wan kill me with lafter ni?

I think we need a kinda poll to end this debate. Is Jesus=Michael, True or false?

^ ^^

this is not necessary.

No one will enter God's kingdom through poll.
Peace.

ProPastorChris: @ truthislight


why are you like this? jokes aside, who are you and what do you want?

truth!

"Know the truth and the truth will set you free"

chukwudi44: Mark and luke are not the only books written by non-apostles.Acts was also written by luke,even the letter of james and Jude were written by blood relations of Jesus who was not really among the twelve.Even st Paul himself was not really an apostle if one was to address it strictly.Paul should be regarded as been on thre same level with luke and mark but for his enormous contributions to the growth of the early church.

acts of the apostles = luke also? yes. =history of the apostles.

If you want to denied that paul was not an apostle, well, i will not even argue with you on that.

But the rest are christ apostles.

Research it again.

mazaje: If I already had something planned and you plead with me and make me change my mind they yes, am subject to your will. . .same applies to your god. . .So your assertion is false. . .

actually it is called reasonableness and " a setting of a patern" for the future.

Also, that he is not dogmatic but reasonable and considerate.

plaetton: You see , this where your moral schizophrenia kicks in.
It s about accountability.
You feel you have the right to take resources from people, under the pretext of religious scripture, but should owe no one an account for the resourses collected on behalf of god?.
That would make you a thief.
Whew!
Why do christians shy away from accountability, both in church finances and in real life individual responsibilities?.

there should be accountability.

plaetton: He is really turning into something else.Getting very desperate by the day.
I am sure there is nothing he would love more than the opportunity to rewrite the bible to suit himself.
He seems to have a big problem with the bible whenever a sovereign mind uses it to buttress a point.

The inerrant word of god indeed!

plaetton: He seems to have a big problem with the bible whenever a sovereign mind

advocate666: Whatever makes you feel good. And I also give 25% of my sperm to sad single women.

^^^

plaetton: The ultimate giving.
The most important sacrifice.

plaetton: He seems to have a big problem with the bible whenever a sovereign mind

*smh*

for such a mind.

true2god: Make ur point and allow others to make theirs. U r not the wisest person on earth.

coming from you am impressed.

If not for the fact that plaeton had already given him what he deserves i had wanted to give him my bit.

Kay 17: The NT is the Church's thought on Jesus.

^^^

error error error !!!

The NT is exclusive of the apostles of christ apostles except mark and luke that wrote the book of mark, luke and acts of the apostles that are simply the history of christ and his apostles respectively, the rest and the teaching of the NT are the works of christ apostles.

This books/epistle were written in 1ce.

All the apostles died in the 1ce.
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Peace

Nelbless: BELOVED FELLOW NAIRALANDERS, I WOULDN'T CARE TO ASK OF WHO IS MODERATING THE COMMENTS POSTED IN THESE THREADS, JUST FEW DAYS AGO, I READ AND SAW HOW BISHOP. OYEDEPO WAS TARNISHED BY MEN' WHOSE HEART ARE SO DARK TO THE THINGS OF GOD, NOW IT'S OYAKHILOME, THOUGH I NEVER POSTED ANY COMMENT WHATSOEVER IN THE BISHOP OYEDEPO'S THREAD, HOWEVER I WISH TO CALL THE ATTENTION OF EACH AND EVERYONE OF US TO THIS VERSE OF THE BIBLE:

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

WATCH WHAT YOU DO FOR FUN, AND FOR ENTERTAINMENT: BE BLESSED

what concerns the portion you quoted with what is being discuss here?

Are you trying to scare anybody here? If so, then you have failed.

What about those that have been defrauded and are still being deftauded?

The truth is that evil likes to thrive in darkness.

italo: Perhaps.



Is that what the early Christians did? Did they take the Bible as the final authority or the Church? Did each person interprete the Bible on his own and come to his own conclusion of what the Bible says or did they let the Church teach them? How can you know if you are in error or not since you are fallible? Yesterday, you thought you were not in error on the topic of this thread, today you think your yesterday's position was errorneous and your new position is not in error. This means that tomorrow, you might decide that today's position too is errorneous. You will never be certain of the truth till Jesus comes. Don't you see the chaos and confusion you are in?



You actually teach too. You tell people what you think is right, as though you were sure it was right.



You don't submit yourself totally to God's word. You submit yourself totally to your FALLIBLE INTERPRETATION of the Bible, which could be wrong. You do not even submit your self to God's word that comes to us through ORAL tradition, as St. Paul advised in 2 Thess 2:15: "15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." - Or do you?

your tradition contradicts the scriptures. QED.

The tradition that apostle paul was talking about is the modusoparendy of the apostles befor the epistle were written and not that of men that came after there death.

Since they the apostles wrote the NT teaching alone(mark and acts are history), they had the authority to that end.

It is unthinkable that the apostles will shade their authority to men after them,
this men that they even warned us about that "after their leaving(death) that evil men, wolves will come in and seduce many"

Again, the "true" tradition cannot contradict the words of the apostles.

This people you reference to have no authority that comes close to that of the apostles.

Were they apostles? No.

The words of the apostles of christ is final and any contradiction to that end is useless and of no value since the spirit of God cannot contradict itself.

"By their fruit also you will know those men" Jesus said.

Should i show you the fruit of this men that came after the apostles have died?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, never knew I was infallible "god" to you. Better go and repent from your idolatry [/quote]that is funny.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I will always maintain that the bible has the final say for me, and where I find myself in error, I am not ashamed to correct myself as many times


I am not and have never claimed to be your teacher. The reason I post on NL is so that together we can study scripture

I submit myself totally to God's word and I will advice you to do the same.[/quote]ok, on this note have a look at this:



"The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." (Psalm 115:17).

"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." (Ecclesiastes 9:5).

"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." (Ecclesiastes 9:5).

"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." (Ecclesiastes 9:10).

"His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." (Psalm 146:4).

"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." (Genesis 3:19).

This scriptures does not need human interpretaion.
consistencies
The truth of God's word
peac