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Boomark: Its part of the things that make us laugh for those that understand. The vex-laff ratio is 1/3 or 0/3. Though i don't know about others. Keep it coming.

he should drop the "you err" thing since we are all still learning.

Boomark: Hebrew is what they can't crack. If the Son was an angel, that rhetoric question wouldn't have been asked. So for the archangel to fit into this he must not be an angels. He must have been created above the angels he leads.

what do you mean that the rhetoric question would not have been asked.

That you dont understand the essence of the question does not mean it does contradict what we are saying.

If i am a king and i have a first son that have done exceedingly well in all things and he is outstanding in all his activities and i wish to reward him with my throne and i ask the rhetoric question, " and to which of my son did i say you will have my throne"?

Does that mean he is not my son anymore?

No, he is, but i am praising my outstanding first born son that he is unique and very unique compared to the other sons.

Stop westing our time and bandwidth.

Boomark: Ya. But that will be if the archangel is not an angel himself.

all spirit creatures that do the bidding of Yahweh are messengers and that automaticall qualifies all to be called angels.

But of all, Jesus christ is the unique.

Jesus christ is the first of them all.

jesus is outstanding one since he is Yahweh's spoke man = the word.

Jesus christ is the one that Yahweh used in creating all things. 1 col 1:15-17.

Jesus is the leader of Yahweh army.

Jesus s an only beggoton son of Yahweh.

So, "to which of the angels" is a statement meant to highlight Jesus uniqueness. The foremost one.

obadiah777: HEY I NEVER SAID I WAS ABOVE ERRING . I DO OCCASIONALLY ERR. NOT ONE MAN IN THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THE WHOLE BIBLE. IT IS A 1000 PAGE SMALL LETTERED BOOK. SO I AM PERMITTED TO ERR ONCE IN A WHILE.

am beginning to like you for this statement.

Just keep such an open mind while studying the bible.

Peace.

obadiah777: HUN YOU KNOW SCRIPTURE ALREADY TOLD ME NOT TO READ 30 PAGE THREADS. IT IS NOT GOOD FOR MY BODY
ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 12 much study is a weariness of the flesh. <<<< LOL
BUT THANKS FOR THE SUMMARY OF THE ARGUMENTS. THE GROUP THAT SAY CHRIST DID NOT PRE-EXIST BEFORE THE NEW TESTAMENT NEED TO BE FLOGGED WITH HORSEWHIP

I ALREADY PROVED HE NEED. LET ME GO GET THE VERSES

it is frosbel that says that christ did not preexist.

Boomark: Michael.

The armies are angels but may not be all the angels. Nigeria soldiers does not mean all nigerians are soldiers.

so, michael the angel now receives worship abi?

I thought ordinary loyal angels in the bible dont receives worship?

You see! you have ended up agreeing that regular angel receives worship because you will not say that the captain/archangel = Jesus christ.

Keep contradicting what the bible says.

You are on your own.

Boomark: I don't even know how to start with you but look at this.

Daniel 12:1
King James Version (KJV)
And at that time shall Michael
stand up, the great prince which
standeth for the children of thy
people: and there shall be a time of
trouble, such as never was since
there was a nation even to that
same time: and at that time thy
people shall be delivered, every
one that shall be found written in
the book.

Michael is described here as a great prince who stands in behalf of the people. And not the Almighty God.

In Dan 10:13, he is said to be one of the foremost princes. God is a king not a prince.

In v21 Gabriel said Michael the prince is the one that holdeth with him in these things: showing him(daniel) things that are noted in the scripture of truth.

Michael is a prince and he is serving God Almightty.

good one boomark.

If you leave your going round in circles you will do better.

obadiah777: AND I REPEAT, LEAVE THE KITCHEN FOR THE REAL SEASONED COOKS.

but you dont know how to cook?

This thread has been derail to michael is almighty God.

The truth is that he is a big liar and twist scriptures a lot.

obadiah777: YOU CANT TACKLE THE POST IS YOUR WAY OF SAYING YOU CANT HANDLE THE HEAT AND YOU ARE GETTING OUT OF THE KITCHEN. I SUGGEST YOU DO THAT. THE REAL CHEFS ARE IN TOWN. WE CAN TAKE THE HEAT. WE ARE SEASONED COOKS

your nuisance is second to none.

Boomark: Hebrew 1:7
NWT
Also, with reference to the angels he says: "And he makes his angels spirits, and[b] his public servants a flame of fire.[/b]"

This is from New Word Translation. Are they still demons?

good of you.

did that not read "his public servant"

did it say that "they are public servant"?

Make your choice of words stand out properly.

The NWT qualifies it as they are "his public servant"

that is they are "Yahweh's public servant" and not every body public servant.

obadiah777: AS IT SAYS IN 1 CORINTHIANS 8 VS 5, THERE ARE MANY LORDS. SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF THE VERSE TO KNOW WHO TO APPLY IT TO 'LORD' IS A TITLE NOT A NAME. YOU DONT JUST LOOK AT THE WORD 'LORD' AND THEN ASSUME IT IS CHRIST OR GOD. YOU LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF THE VERSE, WHICH YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT DOING.

1 CORINTHIANS 8 VS 5 For though there be those called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) <<< MANY LORDS. YALL GOTTA STUDY THE VERSE FOR THE CONTEXT

why then have you been so specifically pinning lord to Yahweh?

As far i am concern you need to upgrade.

BARRISTERS: @plappvile
@truthislight





i dont even know where to start with these pls, im DYING WITH LAUGHTER, water coming out of my eyes, i cant believe these posts, pls tackle them ehn?

lol.

the guy Obediah777 is a character.

I dont want to west my time with him.

obadiah777: WHATEVER BRUV. THAT WAS MEANT FOR YOU

how?

wiegraf: Meeeh?

ok, true to type and kind.

trinity was passed on by greek philosophers in the third century and was latter adopted into christiandom.

What say ya?

Rich4god: The apostle didnt teach about trinity... The church started it. So how come trinity passed your "non-apostolic practices"....

hahaha. Lol.

I hope this our guy will not want to pass as an "angel of light" while concealing some of his "skeleton"?

Goshen360: 6. The Practice of Praying with Rosary, Holy Mary and Candle.

The New Testament believers have a powerful force in the name of Jesus. One of the riches of the New Testament is that even Christ didn't have the priviledge of saying, "in the name of Jesus". The Apostles never lacked anything when Christ was physically with them simply because he is Immanuel - God with us. The Christian mandate began with "Go ye into the world.....in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit". The Apostles understood the power in this mandate and hence mixed with faith and it produced results.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Therefore God also has highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11

How did Christ's name became highly exalted but wasn't used by the Apostle before the death of Christ? It was by the power of resurrection. After the resurrection, Peter healing the lame man at the gate never had to contour to rosary prayer, white or red candle to heal the man, he did say and never said at the name of Holy Mary mother of God but Peter said,

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. - Acts 3:6

Faith in the name that is highly exalted work wonders. Do you know what it was called "ACTS OF THE APOSTLES" Because all manners of supernatural happened by the Apostles with faith in the name of Jesus. Acts of the Apostles was ONLY and could ONLY be accomplished by the name of Jesus. Today's Christianity and churchianity will only wrath the kinds of wonders in Acts of the Apostles ONLY by the name of Jesus, not Holy Mary and rosary, not white or red or blue or yellow candle.

Lastly, just as John 3:16 rings a bell to the world of sin; much more is Acts 3:16 to the believers - it is not just shouting the name in a religious manner but faith in the name of Jesus.

New International Version (©1984)
By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name and the faith that comes through him that has given this complete healing to him, as you can all see. - Acts 3:16

just add this to it:

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their use of many words " (Matthew 6:7).

What exactly qualifies as repetitions?

Is saying in Jesus name, in Jesus name, in Jesus name over and over qualifies as repetitions?

Is jesus or Yahweh deaf that we need to repeat their names?

But the bible said do not use repetition in prayer.

Afteral the bible says that our heavenly father knows what you need befor your asking.

So, is repetition biblical?

obadiah777: BIG DIFFERENCE BRUV. BRUV, THE LORD HIMSELF SHALL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN IS REFERING TO GOD NOT CHRIST. THE LORD HIMSELF DESCENDS THROUGH PEOPLE. FOR EXAMPLE LOOK AT THIS VERSE

EZEKIEL 38 VS 18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. <<< FUTURE PROPHESY WW3, WHEN GOG ( RUSSIA ) SHALL COME AGAINST THE LAND OF ISRAEL ( THE FAKE JEWS CLAIMING TO BE JEWS BUT ARE NOT ), THE FURY OF THE LORD WILL COME IN HIS FACE THROUGH THE RUSSIANS. THE LORD ACTUALLY COMES DOWN AND PHYSICALLY FIGHTS THESE WARS HIMSELF USING PEOPLE.

EXODUS 15 VS 3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

LETS SEE AN EXAMPLE OF THE LORD COMING DOWN TO FIGHT BATTLE ON EARTH THROUGH THE ARMY HE WANTS TO WIN

DANIEL 10 VS 20 And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. <<< LORD JOINING THE RANKS WITH THE ANCIENT PERSIAN EMPIRE TO KICK THE BUTT OF THE ANCIENT BABYLONIAN EMPIRE. STUDY THIS VERSE WELL. ITS DANIEL CONVERSING WITH GOD NOT CHRIST. CHRIST HAD NOT COME TO EARTH THEN

THE LORD COME DOWN WITH THE SHOUT OF AN ARCHANGEL TO KICK BUTTS IN WAR TIMES. DURING THIS WW3 THE LORD WILL BE FIGHTING ON THE SIDE OF AHMEDINEJAD WHICH IS WHY IRAN WILL WIN. ITS BIBLICAL PROPHESY. IRAN WILL KICK AMERICAS BUTT. OF COURSE OTHER NATIONS WILL JOIN IN BUT THE IRANIAN CONGLOMERATE WILL PREVAIL.

ok guy, step down from what is making you high.

Who exactly does the title "lord" belongs to according to the bible?

Lets see:

"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Corinthians 8:5-6).

So, my friend we know who the title lord belongs to, please dont be deceived.

Lord according to the bible officially belongs to Jesus christ.
Peace

plappville: Even Christ said it when He was on earth, this bro obadiah777: is running faster than his shadow:

John 5:25 & 28 : 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. ( Who is the SON of GOD? Jesus of course. It is Jesus's voice that will raise the dead not Yahweh's.)

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

If we compare the two Bible texts above (1 Thessalonians 4:16 and John 5:25 & 28) we see one of the strongest cases plainly saying that Jesus is the "LORD" in these verses, not Yahweh Himself, no one will even say such.....SMH for prophet @obadiah777:

you people are taking Obediah too seriously, he has made a mistake which i belief when he comes around he will realise.

.

plappville: What....are you out of your mind? Michael is Yahweh? i almost miss this hehehehehe....

Let me ask you some question now, here are two events, i believe you didn't bother to read the thread before commenting:

The Angel of the LORD
1. Zechariah 3:1-2 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the "Angel of the LORD", and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2. And the "LORD" said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you!

Then see this other event that is completely, and interesting parallel:

Michael the archangel:
Jude 1:9 Yet "Michael the archangel", in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

First in Zechariah, we see Joshua standing befor the "Angel of the Lord". "Satan", the accuser, is also present to oppose what the Angel of the Lord is doing. In D second verse, the Angel of the Lord starts speaking to Satan. In this verse The Angel of the Lord is actually called "the LORD". No one will conclude it was the Father speaking here. Why would the Father say: "The Lord rebuke you"? No, it is not the Father. It is the Son! One Lord is speaking of the other Lord.

If you say that Michael is GOD (YAHWEH) himself, then who is greater than Yahweh that He was now reffering "Satan's rebuking to?

i had expected Obediah to read the whole thread if he had love of the bible and come to make sense out of it, but no, he said "he is lazy".

Well. If you can, then start all over with him but i dont think that is necessary.

What you are asking him are there for him already but he said he will not dig into it.

@Obediah777
see this:

"My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;

"If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and
"find the knowledge of God."" (Proverbs 2:1-5)

effort for this knowledge is expected of all.
Peace

obadiah777: YOU ARE JUST CONFUSING YOURSELF WITH TOO MANY MUMBO JUMBO AND VAIN OPINION. LEARN TO MAKE YOUR POINTS WITH BIBLICAL SCRIPTURES NOT VAIN OPINIONS.

OK LETS SEE. JOHN 1 VS 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God <<< SO THE WORD WAS HERE BEFORE EVERYTHING WAS CREATED.

REVELATION 19 VS 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. <<< SO THE WORD IS CHRIST. HENCE THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WAS HERE FROM THE BEGINING.

JOHN 1 VS 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. <<< SO THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST PUT ON A BODY, A MORTAL BODY, SO AS TO DWELL AMONGST US.

SO WHILE THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST HAS BEEN HERE FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME, HE PUT ON A MORTAL BODY FOR A SHORT TIME SO AS TO SEAL THE ELECT BY HIS DEATH AND USE THEM TO WRITE THE LAWS THAT WILL UNIFY BOTH JEW AND GENTILE SO AS TO GATHER THE SECOND FRUIT FROM THE GENTILE. ITS JUST THAT SIMPLE.

lol.
guy, are you looking for frosbel to write that to?

Well, when frosbel comes around he will tell you "his own opinion".

Peace.

obadiah777: I DID PROVE MY POINT. ARCH-ANGEL MEANS HEAD OF ANGELS. MICHEAL IN HEBREW MEANS 'WHO IS LIKE GOD'. AND I THREW IN VERSES. WHAT ELSE YOU NEED ? CHERRY ON TOP ?

lol.

You need to do more work guy.

free123: Well Barrister
My KJV says

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come saith the LORD of hosts.

All angels are messengers but not all messengers are angels. This is very simple to understand.

there is no angel in that verse but in a haste to discredit Jesus, ur NWT inserted angel there to change the simple meaning of that verse.

did you closed your eyes to the catholic D version that he quoted from to see NWT?

Sorry for you.

As though you love and obey christ more than them.

obadiah777: WAS AIITTTTTTT WAS I SUPPOSE TO DISCOVER SOMETHING ? POINT ME TO THE POGNANT POINTS IF YOU WILL

see:

frosbel: This doctrine affirms that Jesus was the Son or
offspring of God, and that God had the power and
authority to cause his birth. As his position was to
be the savior of men, it was necessary that he be a
man, not an "immortal", preexistent being.

frosbel: ^^^^

This small article explains my position .

yes, that is the lame article you use to arrived at this your wrong notion.

Question,
at what point did christ became an immortal spirit person according to the bible and not according to your brain?

If you know what the bible teaches that it was after he has come to earth, then you will know that the article you based your faith on is a trash as long as the issue of christ preexistance is concern.

The point is that there is a difference between everlasting life and immortality

immortality means indistructible.

Everlasting life means live without end.

The angels are not immortal otherwise they cannot be destroyed as you yourself know.

If you said that they are immortal then the lake of fire will mean "eternal torment"

but the angels have a life that is sustain eternally like Adam will have been had he not sinned.

With this in mind the life of spirit creatures can cease.

The life of Jesus cease when he was put to death till he was raise to live and "rewarded with immortality"

If christ was already an immortal being how can giving him immortality be a reward to him?

1timothy 6:14-16
Romans 6:9
1cor 15:53

1timothy 16:14

"that you observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the "manifestation"of our lord jesus christ . 15 this [manifestation] the happy and only potentate will show in its own appointed times [he] the king of those who rule as kings and lord of those who rule as lords, the one alone "having immortality who dwells in the inapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see.
To him be the honor and might everlasting. Amen.

^^^

"him alone having immortality"(other angels dont have immortality)

"he is the kings of kings"

"the manifestation" of our lord = christ as king and then immortal.

As arch angel michael, was he immortal ? No.

So he can come and die as a man.

Frosbel, dont be deceived.

Christ preexisted.

Boomark: God over all, the father is one.
In Almighty and Christ:
the Father=God
Christ=god

there are no 2 Gods. God is the God of Jesus.
Christ and an angel
Christ=God
angel=god

its just the use of capital letter.

Michael is a mighty angel and is in charge of doing so many great things. You guys say angels don't receive worship while the commander who is an angel received worship. Why?

I took note of "the rock mass which was Christ" which meant something else. Hebrew 1:5 showed that the Decree was not made to an angel. v13 also.

my friend comot for road, you are sounding confused.

Just look at the sense you made up there.

Boomark: Romans 8:29-30
King James Version (KJV)
29 For whom he did foreknow, he
also did predestinate to be
conformed to the image of his Son,
that he might be the firstborn
among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did
predestinate, them he also called:
and whom he called, them he also
justified: and whom he justified,
them he also glorified.

His brothers(brethren) are his companions. The apostles we know kept him company. These people and others are those anointed as kings and will rule with him. They are co-heir with him. 1cor 1:9, Heb 2:11, 1Jn 1:3.

I don't know other features of the elders but they are not public servant. They serve God

the word public servant is a reference to governmental authority that attend to the public.

The spirit creatures that attend to the public are Demons.

But angels are are messengers/ministers to Yahweh in the absolute sense of the word angels.

The twenty for elders are also ministering to Yahweh:

"The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying," (Revelation 4:10).
"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." (Revelation 4:11).
................

The act of judging making given to Jesus and the 24 elders is an assignment from Yahweh. :

"Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead." (Acts 17:31).

Revelation 20:4 King James Version (KJV) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the
souls of them that were beheaded for the witness
of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had
not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their
foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
...............

"Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Luke 22:28-30).



This are all messengers / ministers of Yahweh.

obadiah777: ALL OPINIONS PROVIDED ARE FROM THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS AND DANIEL AND EXODUS. LAST I CHECKED THOSE WERE NOT PART OF THE APOCRYPHA

lol.

If only you had covered the thread you would have notice that there is a loop hole in that your post.

Did you say that arch angel michael is = almighty God?

Lol.

In that case i reserve my comment

obadiah777: YEAH I REMEMBER YOU ASKING ME TO READ IT. LOL. I AM A LAZY MAN BY NATURE

how was it?

wiegraf: That reads like meeeeehhh, mmmmeeeehhhh, meehhh? Mmmmmeeeeehhhh!!! Meehh, meh...

true to kind, No?

obadiah777: YOU GIVE ME TOO MUCH CREDIT. HOWEVER MOST OF WHAT YOU JUST QUOTED IS NOT WHAT IT SEEMS. AND THERE WAS A WAR IN HEAVEN. HEAVEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME WAS THE ROMAN EMPIRE. SO THERE WAS A WAR IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE. THIS ERA IS AROUND 185 AD WHEN UNDER SEPTEMIUS SEVERUS A BLACK ROMAN GENERAL ( AN ISRAELITE, PART OF THE FIRST FRUITS ) TOOK OVER THE ROMAN EMPIRE AND USHERED IN THE 1000 YEAR REIGN OF THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. THE PROVERBIAL LAMP BEFORE THE GENTILES. THE PURPOSE OF THIS 1000 YEAR REIGN IS TWOFOLD
1-TO PREPARE THE GROUNDWORK FOR THE SECOND FRUITS TO BE RECRUITED. THIS CAN ONLY BE ACHIEVED IF THE SATANIC EMPIRES IN CHARGE ARE SHUTDOWN FOR 1000 YEARS AND THEN THE WORD IS SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, FROM GENTILE NATION TO GENTILE NATION ( THIS IS THE LAMP BEFORE THE KING OF THE WORLD, WHICH THE KING OF THE WORLD ARE THE GENTILES, THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE HAD POWER TO SHUTDOWN HEAVEN ( EVERYONE WAS IN SUBJECTION ) AND TURN THE WATERS TO BLOOD MEANING TO KILL ANY OPPOSITION ETC ETC. THIS IS THE 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST ). AND THEN AFTER THE WORD HAS BEEN SPREAD FOR THE 1000 YEARS, THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE WILL BE CONQUERED AGAIN BY THE GENTILES ( WHICH IS THE PROVERBIAL BEAST COMING OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT FOR THE SECOND TIME WHICH IS WHY IT SAYS THE BEAST HAD A WOUND THAT WAS HEALED. THATS CUZ THEY GOT CONQUERED FOR 1000 YEARS AND THEN RE-EMERGED, HENCE THE WOUND BEEN HEALED. SO THIS RE-EMERGENCE IS WHEN THEY USHERED IN THE EUROPEAN RENNAISANCE PERIOD WHICH IS AROUND THE 1400s. AND BASICALLY IN EFFECT, THE DOCTRINE OF THE LORD WAS DECAPITATED. THIS IS DONE INTENTIONALLY. IN THE MIDST OF THE GENTILE WICKEDNESS AND DOCTRINES, THE SEEDS OF SALVATION HAS ALREADY BEEN SOWN FOR 1000 YEARS. NOW LETS SEE WHO WILL ACCEPT THE MESSAGE OF SALVATION IN A WORLD OF WICKEDNESS. AND THIS EFFECTIVELY IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR TILL DATE. THE SECOND FRUIT. THE FIRST FRUIT IS THE 144,000. THE SECOND FRUIT WE ARE WAITING FOR. AND THE SECOND FRUIT ONLY GET SEALED IN DEATH. MEANING YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE WORD TILL DEATH, ONLY THEN DO YOU GET PERMANENTLY SEALED FOR HEAVEN. IF YOU BACKSLIDE BEFORE YOU DIE ? YOU GOTTA START AGAIN IN YOUR NEXT LIFE ( REVELATION 14 VS 12-13)

SO BASICALLY ALL THESE THINGS ARE NOT WHAT YOU THINK THEY ARE. THEY ARE CODED HISTORY. THE GREAT DRAGON THAT WAS CAST OUT WERE THE EDOMITE ROMANS WHO WERE IN CHARGE ( WHITE ROMANS ) AND THE WHITE ROMANS ARE CALLED DEVILS AND SATAN BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEEDS OF CAIN. THE SEED OF ESAU. THEY ARE THE WICKED SEED THAT WAS CULLED FROM ISRAEL AND BANISHED TO MT SEIR TO BECOME VAGABONDS ON THE EARTH. ALL THEY DO IS KILL STEAL AND DESTROY LIKE THEIR FATHER CAIN. SATAN MEAANS ADVERSARY. THEY ARE AGAINST EVERYTHING GOD SAYS. AND DEVIL MEANS DECEIVER. THATS WHAT THEY DO BEST.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IS MICHEAL THE ARCHANGEL REALLY JESUS ? I THINK MICHEAL THE ARCHANGEL IS GOD HIMSELF. REMEMBER THAT EXODUS 15 VS 3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name <<< THE LORD IS A MAN OF WAR. WHAT THE LORD DOES IS THAT IN A WAR, HE WILL TAKE OVER THE SPIRIT OF THE SIDE HE WANTS TO WIN AND HE WILL BE THE ONE FIGHTING THE WAR. LETS SEE HOW HE HELPED ANCIENT IRAN CONQUER ANCIENT BABYLON
DANIEL 10 VS 19 And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. <<< THE LORD HIMSELF, A MAN OF WAR, GETS BEHIND THE NATION HE WANTS TO WIN AND BECOMES AN ANGEL TO HELP THEM WIN. SO IN CONCLUSION. >>>>>>>>

MICHEAL IS GOD

i dont think that your post should be an issue right now since your views are completely off what is under consideration.

Beside, your views are also shaped by the apocriphals that are not acceptable here.

I will be letting your post to slide until you have finished reading the thread.

Happy reading.

obadiah777: LOL @ THE REVELATOR. YOU KNOW I HAVE NOT VENTURED INTO THIS THREAD UNTIL NOW. THE SHEER VOLUME OF THE READING IN IT IS SCARY.

finally, you decided to check it out.

It will worth your while reading it.
Peace.