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tobechi20: Hi, this is something that has been on my mind more and more, because it contradicts the words of Scripture. For example, 2 Tim. 3:15-17 says, "And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by faith which is Christ Jesus. All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, that the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work." Thus, the apostle Paul by the inspiration of God, says to Timothy "thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation" and make you "perfect, furnished to every good work."

Rom. 1:16 says, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel. For it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth, to the Jew first, and to the Greek. James 1:21 says, "...With meekness receive the ingrafted word, which is able to save your souls." Consequently, the word contained in the Bible is able to save our souls.



The usual arguments I have heard to support the Church's position are on our inability to correctly interpret Scripture and on the fact that the Bible does not contain everything that God taught. But this can also easily be disproved by the word of God in the Scriptures!



The apostle Paul said we can understand what he wrote. "If yet, you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me towards you: how that, according to revelation, the mystery has been made known to me, as I have written above in few words; as you reading, may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ." (Eph. 3:2-4). Paul said the mystery had been made know to him by the revelation of God. He then showed that he was writing it e.g., "as I have written above in few words" (in the chapters prior to this) and "as you reading, may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ." In other words, when we read what he wrote, we can understand what he understood. Paul also said , "For we write nothing to you that you do not read and understand" (2 Cor. 1:13) and "Therefore do not become foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is" (Eph. 5:17). Thus, the inspired writers taught that we most certainly can understand the Scriptures.



The Scriptural proof the Church gives to defend their teaching for the Bible not containing everything God taught, is John 20:30. It says, "Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples, which are not written in this book." But In John 20:30, John simply said that Jesus did many other signs (miracles) which he did record. Notice, though, what John says in the next verse, "...But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name." Thus, the apostle clearly shows that he wrote sufficient things to produce the faith which brings life in the name of Jesus. Life in the name of Jesus refers to eternal life and it is obtained by belief in the things written by the inspired writers.



I can understand that the Scriptures do not contain everything Jesus did. John said, "There are, however, many other things that Jesus did; but if every one of these would be written, not even the world itself, I think, could hold the books that would have to be written." (John 21:25). Although we do not have everything Jesus did, we do have every necessary thing. We have enough to give us life in His name.



Lastly, the doctrine that the Church is the infallible interpreter of Scripture. The Bible says, "Let God be true, but every man a liar..." (Rom. 3:4). It also warns, "See to it that no one deceives you by philosophy and vain deceit, according to human traditions, according to the elements of the world and not according to Christ." (Col. 2:.



I find more and more evidence in the Bible that a lot of what the Church teaches as doctrine is not backed by Scripture and in fact contradicts Scripture, as I have shown above. Are there other Catholics who find this extremely uncomfortable? Can I be a Catholic (have been all my life!) if I don't accept Church doctrines that contradict Scripture?
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you have done your part.

It is every man for himself.
Peace

^^^

good to know that you are well.

ProPastorChris: these people have not seen anything yet, better reserve your saliva for the future cos this man you guys are busy gossiping about has gone far beyond what your minds can manage to fathom out.

trust me, the guy is far bigger than what you think, una neva see anything n una dey shout. we just dey bring the bird out of pocket n your dey argue whether the colour be black or white

i hope you are saying that he has entered God's kingdom?

btwn, i thought you had said that being rich is not physical cash?

Whats your take sef?

Joagbaje: Prosperity is not about being materialistic. That's where' people miss it.

how honest is this statement of your?

Do you want people to drop their guard?
*Smh*

[quote author=*solid*]I think this thread is goi the wrong way i did nt foresee. This thread is now closed officially.[/quote]^^^
.how would you have known what he has when he is very good at covering his tracks?

Goshen360: Mehn, you are weird bro.....lolz. But you dey talk true sha but raw like me...lolz. If the Bible says whatever a man sow that shall he also reap. Why are these people always sowing and not the ones reaping....me think they should change and start sowing like mango seed, orange seed, apple seed etc. Maybe that might work.....

well stated.

If only they will start being practical like christ said they should.

FXKing2012: u have reasoned like a real atheist wt no true knowledge or understanding of d bible. May God forgive u.

Hmmm!

Guy, long time.

Where have you been?

@ boomark

boomark: Mt 11:14
New International Version
(©1984)
And if you are willing to
accept it, he is the Elijah
who was to come.

Luke 1:17
New International Version (NIV)
17 And he will go on before the
Lord,[b] in the spirit and power of
Elijah, to turn the hearts of the
parents to their children and
the
disobedient to the wisdom of
the
righteous—to make ready a
people
prepared for the Lord.”

place them side by side and study them. John said no, Jesus said yes. John did not even know Christ but Christ knew him.

The bible didn't teach reincarnation but for the will of God to come to pass, it happened the way it happened.

is there a hindrance in reading that statement?


he is "the" Elijah
who was to come.


it did not say


he is Elijah who is to come


its like saying


he is the maradona we wanted in our club


^^^

do you understand that?

Not when the same chapter said:


Luke 1:17
New International Version (NIV)
17 And he will go on before the
Lord, in the spirit and power of
Elijah,

who own the power that Elijah made used of

^^^
lol.

@Oyedepo-image123

is this the post that you said that:

Image123: hope this one would not be long,

How long then will your elaborate post be? Lol.

Must you be dishonest on all things? Lol.

Image123: hope this one would not be long,

Zikkyy: I did not ask for what yield is. You said harvest is the same thing as income, all you needed to do was show us where harvest was defined as income. You did not find any, instead you decided to define yield. according to you Harvest=Yield=Income

If i adopt your 'deceitful approach', i can also say Homose.xual is the same thing as Cheerful

Homose.xual:
homosexual (adj.)
1.sexually attracted to members of your own sex
synonyms:
gay, lesbian

Cheerful:
having life or vigor or spirit
synonyms:
alive, animated, blissful, blithe, bright, buoyant, cheery, chuffed, cock-a-hoop, encouraging, gay, genial, glad...

Since there is no obviously no relationship between Homose.xual and Cheerful, i look for what they have in common and define that one abi? so....

Gay:
characterized by liveliness and lightheartedness
synonyms:
brave, braw, bright, brilliant, buoyant, cheerful, cheery, chuffed, cock-a-hoop, convivial, festal, festive, frivolous, frolicsome, genial, glad, gleeful, good-humored, good-humoured, happy, homophile, homose.xual,

source: sensagent dictionary

So as you can see, Homose.xual=Gay=Cheerful Smart abi?

this is a very good analogy that best explain what they are doing.

The truth will be staring them in the face but all they are looking for is how to circumvent it.

Thanks bro.

obadiah777: DEATH AND HADES GAVE UP THE DEAD IN THEM <<<<< MEANS THOSE WHO WERE SPIRITUALLY DEAD CAME ALIVE WHEN CHRIST RETURNED. SYMBOLIC STATEMENT

THE SEA GAVE UP THE DEAD IN IT <<< SEA IS MULTITUDES OF PEOPLE >>> SO THIS MEANS ALL THE SPIRITUALLY DEAD IN THE WORLD AWOKE.

BASICALLY ALL THE SPIRITUALLY DEAD AND BLINDED AWOKE TO BE JUDGED

AND THERE SHALL BE DEATH NO MORE >>> NO MORE DISCONNECTION FROM GOD. EVERYONE WILL BE SPIRITUALLY ALIVE

THE RIGHTEOUS SHALL INHERIT THE LAND AND DWELL IN IT FOREVER >>>> FOREVER DOES NOT MEAN ETERNAL LIFE OF THE BODY. FOREVER MEANS FOR AS LONG AS YOU ARE ALIVE. THEN YOU PASS. REST. COME BACK. AND THEN INHERIT THE LAND AGAIN. SO EVERYTIME YOU COME BACK YOU WILL ALWAYS BE THE RULERS OF THE WORLD. YOUR SPOT HAS BEEN SEALED AS THE PERMANENT ROYALTY ON EARTH IN ALL YOUR LIFETIMES

good for you, you get what you wish for.

Since your god cannot give eternal life, please dont expect it.

Peace.

Kx: Are you sure he 's got no jets?

[http://www.elifeonline.net/elife7-july-august/oyakhilome.htm]
By registering an airline, Oyakhilome has gone several steps farther than his forbears in the gospel business, both home and abroad, who bought private jets. Bishop David Oyedepo of Winners Chapel and late Bishop T Gabriel Adeyemi of Bethel Wonderland Church were the only Nigerian gospel ministers famed to own jets. Now Oyakhilome may just have a jet or two but a fleet of new airplanes. “We are already expecting our fleet of aero planes said the exuberant insider.

Culled from ThisDay.

this is from the link you quoted:

"And lately, he is spearheading major business investments for Christ Embassy. We have bought MBI, registered a new airline called Skypower and we are about to start the fastest food chain this country has ever witnessed. It is called Dickson's." The young man spoke with passion -straight from the heart. But he was flouting Oyakhilome's orders by talking.

A few days later, another Christ Embassy insider corroborated the story – well, most of it on telephone. She said, "I really don't know about the TV and airline acquisitions, but that of Dickson's is quite true. Pastor (Chris Oyakhilome) has warned all of us including ail pastors not to discuss this issue with anybody."

By registering an airline, Oyakhilome has gone several steps farther than his forbears in the gospel business, both home and abroad, who bought private jets. Bishop David Oyedepo of Winners Chapel and late Bishop T Gabriel Adeyemi of Bethel Wonderland Church were the only Nigerian gospel ministers famed to own jets. Now Oyakhilome may just have a jet or two but a fleet of new airplanes. “We are already expecting our fleet of aero planes said the exuberant insider.
Culled from ThisDay.

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Well, why is he warning them?

Has he anything or any reason to hide?

italo: Far above forty years?! How come you reason as if you are far below fourteen?

I didn't mean small boy in age, I meant small boy in reasoning.



If you curse, you would be cursing your family and future generations, not me. You think I am a pentecostal that will hear curse and start to panic? Go ahead and curse and let us see the result. Idiot. You are angry that I'm misrepresenting your age but you are misrepresenting the age of the Catholic Church.

Baby! Kill yourself if it makes you too angry.

thank you.

Forum brings one to all sort of persons.

Ubenedictus: yeah u gat d bolded wrong!

but this ^^^ are your words.

If chukwudi44 should arrive here he will tell you that solar scriturs as he calls them are rubbish and cannot be taken alone.

Then he will bambuss you with tradition. Lol.

Its not really true as you put it.

pastormustwacc: And the winner is?

not about winning but about saying it the way the bible puts it?

Cus that ^^^ is very important:

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).


Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. " (John 17:15-17).

The truth = God's word


"I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. " (John 17:15-17).

akagaba: Jobless fools, unemployed iliterates, discusing a man who doesnt even kno they exist. Jumpin frm one pastor to d anoda wit their runnin mouth, yet d pastors making more progres and more...Frustration is realy at ur door steps. Pastor kun or wateva u call urslf, u ar simply an agent of darknez sent frm hell 2come and deceive d peopl on earth, d pastor in ur name is jst a title added 2u cus u ar not even worthy 2b a xtian. It wud hav bin beta if u wer not born at al, or beta stil, dead and 4gotten, cus ur living is as gud as dead. Baboons.

what sort of teaching (spiritual food) does chris Oyakhelome give his followers sef?

obadiah777: BUT IT IS MY DEAR CATHOLIC BROTHER

EZEKIEL 37 VS 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. <<< SPIRITUAL GRAVE. BELIEVE IT OR NOT BUT A SPIRIT DETACHED FROM THE LORD IS A DEAD SPIRIT AND IS SYMBOLICALLY IN SPIRITUAL GRAVE.

irrelevant post.

We are also spiritual Israel and will inherit the "promise land" God's new world"

" "Therefore prophesy" and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel." (Ezekiel 37:12).

Did you not see the word "prophesy" there?

Revelation 20:13 (New International Version) - Bible Gateway The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death
and Hades gave up the dead that were in them
.
Revelation 20:13 (English Standard Version) - Bible Gateway And the sea gave up the dead who were in it,
Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in
them,

when death and hides is destroyed then we will have this:

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:4).

And

this:

"The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever." (Psalm 37:29).

It is only the "fool" that can be deceived by you.

striktlymi: If we are to go by your line of thought then we would say that there were no Christians in the time of the apostles, because there was no name like "Christian" when the church started spreading until some group of unbelievers gave the name "Christian" at Antioch. I believe you are having this misconception about the word "Church". Name does not make up a church, people do. The name "catholic" only came up some time in the 2nd century at Antioch just like the name "Christian" came up.

we have the name "christians" with reference to those who accept christ in the bible.

Do we have the word "Catholic" in the bible? No.

So, why force it on me if i say i am ok with the name "christian"?

I know that you know that word "christians" means followers of christ?

Should this not be enough?

Was ignatiouse an apostle of christ? No.

striktlymi: * I never said the holy spirit did not direct the apostles to write the books included in the bible.

it will also be great to show me where you said that the NT is the writhing of the apostles as it truthfully is.

Except mark, and luke that wrote history of christ and the apostles respectively the rest and all the teaching of the NT are teaching of christ apostles.

I dont know why your long post miss that.

It could have been good that you pointed that out to build readers faith on the bible as being God's word since he hand picked the apostles for christ and later via his holy spirit inspired them the apostles to write the NT bible.

But rather you went on "christ never commanding his apostles to write the books"

striktlymi: I did say that Christ whille he was with his disciples on earth never commanded them to write any book.

of what benefit is that statement in the building of someones faith?
*sigh*

striktlymi: I believe firmly that sacred scripture is inspired by God's spirit,

that ^^^ is good and encouraging and building peoples faith in God.

Do more of that and stop dancing.

striktlymi: Christ was on earth there was nothing like the new testament, all we had was the old. Note also that Christ never commanded anyone to write a book when he was on earth.

The community of believers continues to evolve from age to age as the spirit continues to guide, guard and inspire them. I believe I made reference of a second Century Christan (an early Christian)who used the word Catholic.

what was your interest here is what i am asking you ?

You are a smart guy you know?

The message i got from that post irrespective of your painting is what others will get also.
next time dont be stingy with the truth.

Say it in such a way it will build/put peoples faith in God so that you dont give them reason to say that "the bible has notting to do with God but rather it is a product of men"

next they become atheist.

If you destroy the bible as being the word of God given to men, what else do you have to help build peoples faith in God?

Yes, defend your church, but must it be at the expense of the bible?

Christ apostles are unique people.

They cannot be called scholars or educated men or wise men but ordinary men fisher men and co, that God picked and sent his spirit to help them produce his word as testified to in the bible.

That they were ordinary men that ordinary should not have been able to accomplish the fit of writhing a book like the NT on their own is why what they wrote can only come from God. Same with the OT.

Please try and always point this out.

If you feel i have insulted you, then i say am sorry.
Peac

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striktlymi: Good morning,

Sorry to say but I don't think the bone of contention is whether or not sacred scriptures is enough for Christians. I aslo do not think I postulated any theory on evolution. I believe firmly that God does not changeth like you do and that's why I believe that his spirit has not stopped working in Christendom.

Anyways, I really do not see the relevance of your post to the topic at hand.

come ooon! Dont lie, God's spirit does not work on the apostles but only on your church fathers.

What is with the "God's spirit does not change"?

It does, that is why it first let the apostles of christ and landed on your "church fathers" so that they can "write" and give us the bible.

My, i say it changes!

How will it leave the apostles and landed on the "church fathers" and you say "it does not change"?

striktlymi: God does not changeth.
his spirit has not stopped

infact i put it to you that it misses road!

Yes.

That was what you said "that not that the spirit help the apostles"

but "it helped the church fathers"

you need to change your earlier moment and say that the spirit of God help christ apostle first and they used it to write the bible and that is why the bible is God's word.

Yes, you need todo that befor i will agree with you that God's spirit does not change/misses direction.

italo: The Catholic Church existed before the Bible and created it.

yes, i have heard worst than this.

I have even heard that men of the RCC wrote the bible.

Your have even watered it down by saying that cc "created the bible", it means you are learning fast.

You should even add that the word "christian is not in the books written by the apostle.

Infact, the name " catholic existed befor the apostles wrote the NT bible.

See, christ was an RCC member and as such all christians(followers of christ) are RCC members.

Have i improved your story wella?

Have i help your case and your course?

Tell me thank you then!

May God forgive me for those attrocities from my mouth! No, from my hand, no, from my fingers. Whatever. Lol.

Hypocrit!

"Holy spit did not help christ apostles to write the NT but help RCC church fathers" .lol fraud.

chukwudi44: Answer his questions and stop dodging it. Now let me add my own questions since you want us to reason like that.The churches you earlier listed where are there today? Is there anyword like bible in the bible? Was there any approved christian canon in the times of the apostles? All the gospels happen to be anonymous so how do we know there were written by their widely acclaimed authours?

This questions are just to prove to you that you really cannot do without sacred apostolic tradition.That is how the ternminologies 'catholic curch' and 'bible' came about

^^^
what was the purpose of the holy spirit that christ said will come on his decisples and teach them all things?

Did the holy spirit miss the apostles and landed on your church fathers?

What is the significants of pentecost 33ce?

You people with your twisted reasoning.

What if i should show to you most books of the NT with the names of the writers?

Are you telling me that the recipient of the letters of the apostles in the 1ce did not know who sent the letters to them?

That it took the people living about 400yrs later to unravel the names?

Are you saying that those that cannonise the bible were arbitrary appending names to books without them knowing the writers?

Are you saying that the names on the books we have now are not the writers

are you saying that your church fathers are liars?

Are you saying that thousands of men gathered that time only to cook up lies?

Who is the liar here?

Those men or you?

I will only tell you one thing, liars will not inherit God's kingdom, that is if you still belief that there is God.

Afteral, you are a catholic, and you people seem to be turning atheist by the numbers.

I will not be surprise if you have cross over, considering the lies you pour out in this forum without the fear of God.

striktlymi: Good mornng to u too sir,

I understand the point you are trying to make but really, if we are to follow that line of thought then it would imply that the bible as we have it won't be valid today. First, when Christ was on earth there was nothing like the new testament, all we had was the old. Note also that Christ never commanded anyone to write a book when he was on earth. Also Christ never referred to his people as "Christians" does it mean that the use of it is wrong?

The community of believers continues to evolve from age to age as the spirit continues to guide, guard and inspire them. There are a lot of things that were revealed to the apostles which made it's way into sacred scripture but cannot be found in the old testament. Not everything is in the bible. There are records of other things done by the early Christians that did not make it's way to the bible. I believe I made reference of a second Century Christan (an early Christian)who used the word Catholic.

The questions I believe u should ponder on are:

1) Did God's spirit stopped inspiring his people after the Apostles?

2) Did the church founded by Christ go extinct after the death of the Apostles?

3) How did Christianity make its way to our present day?

4) Was there a broken line of succession in the leadership of the Church?

5) When Christ commanded Peter to feed and take care of his flock, did he intend it to end with Peter, knowing full well that the flock would last to this very day?

Thank you!

your contradictions again.

You said that christ did not command his apostle to write books.

But he told them that the holy spirit will lead them and teach them all things.

And that God should be with them.

To you the holy spirit did not direct the apostles to write book but the catholic church did.

Then why is what they wrote called the word of God? Rut!

This lies that you are sputting here has led many people to become atheist and this Expercailly amongst the Roman catholic church.

All this lies in a bit to claim that your RCC is the only true church.

This is the same person that came here and said that any one that said that RCC is the only true church is making a mistake and that the op cannot say most catholics since he has not talked to more than 50% of catholics and does not know the total sum of all catholics.

But are you right now different from the rest?

You wish to take a book that was written by christ apostles in the 1ce and give to men that lived 300yrs later.

Yes, the same holy spirit that is leading the MOG's today is the same holy spirit that led the RCC church fathers, afteral, by their fruit we shall know them.

Yes, you will discredit christ apostles, and discredit God's holy spirit as the source of the bible, but will give the holy spirit to your "church fathers"

you see your life?

When will your poison and damage stop.

From that your post destroying God and louding you church fathers with lies, who interest are you serving?

Try harder.
There is one of your member @holyvirgin whatever that wish to be an atheist, good food she ate.

Logicboy ate the same food. (spiritual food)poison.

Muskeeto ate the same food.

Calloti ate the same food.

Atheist D ate the food.

The list goes on and on.

They are all atheist.
Your master will really reward you people well for a job well done.
Keep it up
clap for RCC

striktlymi: Good morning,
I believe u have some misconceptions about the quotations you made. Firstly, the quotations really do not prove that there existed a "church" or "some churches" before the catholic church. Secondly, the use of the word "church" actually refers to the community of God's people under christ.

Before Christ left this world, he gave his apostles an order to go forth into the world and spread the good news. This the apostles did with vigour after the out pouring of the promised paraclete (the Holy spirit). Everywhere the Apostles went, they managed to win converts for Christ. These converts made up pockets of communities in their various localities. At this time there was no official name given to this growing community. However, at Antioch the community of God's people were first tagged "Christians" by those who were not even believers beccause of the way they lived their lives. i.e they were "Christ-like".

The name "Christian" was not really popular with the believers of the time, hence the use of the word "church" to refer to these communities. It was necessary for the apostles to keep in contact with these respective communities via their letters in order to encourage them and give them directions since they could not be present with them physically because they had to continue with the work of spreading the gospel.

One basic fact about the "churches" then was that though they existed in different locations, they were still one under Christ, as Paul was quick to reproach those who wanted to create division by saying they belonged to Paul or Apolos. He made them understand that the community was one under Christ. Another proof of the unity of the "church" then was the disagreement that came up within one of such communities. Paul taught that the "gentiles" do not need to be circumsized before joining the community of God's people. This was vehemently refused by some believers of Jewish descent. The disagreement was settled at the "council of Jerusalem". The Apostles came together in prayer and deliberations to decide the fate of one of such "churches" and the whole of Christendom as regards this matter.

The first written record of the use of the word "catholic" which means "Universal" was made by a bishop, St Ignatius of Antioch in the year A.D. 107. St. Ignatius of Antioch in the Near East, was arrested, brought to Rome by armed guards and eventually martyred there in the arena. In a farewell letter which this early bishop and martyr wrote to his fellow Christians in Smyrna (today Izmir in modern Turkey). He wrote, "Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church". Thus, the second century of Christianity had scarcely begun when the name of the Catholic Church was already in use, thereafter, mention of the name became more and more frequent in the written records.

so to you there was no church befor the word "catholic was coin abi?

Did you see your life?

Will you read that ^^^ contradiction and contraption/and lies again and see what have just happened to you?

Are you aware that liars will not inherit God's kingdom?

While you are on that, can you please tell me those that apostle paul sent his epistle to?

He died in the 1ce.

Oh, let me guess, he sent it to those "that are not even qualified to be called christians"

Why then will he want people "that are not even qualify to be called christians" to walk in the way of christ?

Hmmm!

When "certain people" start, why can they continue to the end without lying?

Goshen360: ^^^ Brother Image123, it's okay. This thread is all about Christian being blessed beyond limitation to the portion of double even though they can first acquire double as said by dobosky. By the power invested on me......

[size=50pt]THREAD CLOSED![/size].....

great that this double portion is closed.

It was partiality Lol

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obadiah777: >>>>> http://www.reocities.com/freethoughtmecca/images/lashawan-alefbet.gif <<<< LASHAWAN QADASH. ANCIENT HEBREW. HOLY TONGUE

character!

When will you grow up?

Pastor Kun: Not only tithes, offerings, seed sowing, partnership, kingdom investment, offer 7 e.t.c

lol,
seed ke?

Why is it that those sowing the seed are not the ones buying the Jets sef?

Enigma: ^^^ I thought you had taken a "bow".

Well, I have taken a "bow" now.

Meanwhile your shift towards a discussion of the Trinity is for other threads, I'm afraid.

So I regard this post as an encore and I take a bow again.

lol.

Ok o my man.

Let me take a bow again. Lol
peace

Enigma: ^^^ What is all this that you are saying? I'm afraid I see your last three posts as rambling on things which are either not disputed, pointless or not even true!

How many times have I said that I agree that a translation could be influenced by doctrinal bias? And I have said that the chief example so accused is the JW's NWT!

when did it get started?

Why is it that most christians say that Jesus is almighty God and some say that Yahweh is almighty God?

Please, did this division get start after the JW NWT was translated/produce?

If not, who is the culprit ?

Who was the first to use religious bias to influence his traslation of the bible?

If you say that there are no inconsistencies in the belief that Jesus is almighty God and Yahweh tell me and let me point out some to you, though i already know that you enigma is aware of this but will rather stick with "the church fathers"

the question is who started it since the JW bible is very new, (1950 or so)?

Is it that the almighty God that gave us brain cannot give a book that is consistent?

Was the JW NWT bible responsible for the disagreement for over a thousand years back.

My friend, i need answers
thank you.

Am very happy that you agreed with me that :

Enigma: How many times have I said that I agree that a translation could be influenced by doctrinal bias?

very good of you my friend.

Which translation was affected and responsible for the confusion and argument befor the NWT?

Who were responsible for those translations?

Am waiting.