Christianity Etc › Re: The Wrath Of God: Discussion About Hell - Strictly Christians Only by truthislight: 10:12am On Dec 10, 2012 |
"The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." (Psalm 115:17).
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." (Ecclesiastes 9:5).
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." (Ecclesiastes 9:5).
"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." (Ecclesiastes 9:10).
"His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." (Psalm 146:4).
"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." (Genesis 3:19).
This scriptures does not need human interpretaion. consistencies The truth of God's word peace |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is the Catholic Church the One And Only True Church? by truthislight: 8:36am On Dec 10, 2012 |
Kay 17: But the Bible has a basis/foundation, it was tendered by a Church to its congregation. Christianity is more than letters in the Bible, there are revelations, there are doctrinal developments, traditions traced back to the earliest times. The Church is actually superior to the Bible.
God's words come through the Church. So to those that keep quoting the Bible without citing the Church's vieew on it, is like building a castle in the sky. the "church" is built on Jesus christ. The bible (NT) are instructions of Jesus christ to his church. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Answers All Things?? by truthislight: 8:19am On Dec 10, 2012 |
advocate666: You can twist the bible all you want but you can't twist verifiable science especially to enlightened people like me. Ants do have leaders and hierarchy. They have commanders, overseers and rulers contrary to your bible. A quick internet search about the organisation of ants will show you. sorry for intrusion. Does the ant have leader as in a human family head "leader" = bread winner? Was the consideration not in being productive? Why take it out of context? Meanwhile. Thread was on "principles it works" peace |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Embassy, No Private Jet, No University, Why by truthislight: 8:05am On Dec 10, 2012 |
ProPastorChris: you have not seen anything yet.
this is just the beginning of the revelation of one aspect of the church that has been dormant for a long while waiting for manifestation in our generation.
you can fight it with all you've got but can do nothing about it.
there is so much affluence in the body of Christ today that will blow the minds of unbelievers and unbelieving believers alike.
the church is moving on and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
glory to God forever  why not reconcile your contradiction? Here: ProPastorChris: i thought it right to educate many people on this forum about the subject of "poverty" which has become a topic many use as platform to attack churches and pastors.
Act 3:1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour. Act 3:2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple; Act 3:3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms. Act 3:4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us. Act 3:5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them. Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. Act 3:7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. Act 3:8 And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.
from the verses above, its very clear that what Jesus brought was that you can rule and reign in life without a penny in your pocket but with the Word richly soaked in your spirit. money is a spirit and it must not rule the child of God cos the only spirit allowed to rule him is the Holy Spirit. Jesus' death and resurrection has abolished poverty and given us reign over all circumstances.
2Cor. 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
any child of God that puts his hope on amassing wealth has failed already cos that fellow is not exhibiting his faith in the Word of God.
its very clear having read many comments on this subject that so many posters live in the old testament rather than the new testament Jesus established. please snap out of the OT life and wake up to a new dawn in the NT.
poverty has been dealt with so stop romancing it and magnifying it rather live richly by the Word.
thank you. see here from peter you quoted: ProPastorChris: Act 3:6 Then Peter said, "Silver and gold" have I none; but such as I have give I thee: i can see how you fit into the narrow gate by imitating the apostles: only you people know whats your agenda is! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is the Catholic Church the One And Only True Church? by truthislight: 7:53am On Dec 10, 2012 |
bucho: Another logical,coherrent,sensible and well articulated presentation.@ OP and the likes of truthislight ,you guys should learn from belabela & striktlymi rather than throwing insults and abuses at people. Makes me keep wondering how some people passed through the higher institution. I weep for this country!. and how is this ^^^ a contribution to this thread? Of what value is your comment? You have come here to sing praise for those whose post suite your background and talked about high institution and nigeria, was that what the op was all about? *sigh* West of my bandwidth! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by truthislight: 7:35am On Dec 10, 2012 |
truthislight: if it was in the 17/1800c that someone came up to say that the bible does not teach/support christmas celebration you would have burnt such a person on a stake.
But today, those you burnt on a state have been proven to be on the right rather than your like.
If we are to consider the entering of God's kingdom on such basis, "your likes" will have miss out cause you today have come to believe that christmas has no biblical basis but pegan and had thrived in tradition.
But you and your kind dont/and will never learn.
I hope some people will not have to reward themselves with everlasting life at the end. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by truthislight: 12:05am On Dec 10, 2012*. Modified: 7:24am On Dec 10, 2012 |
true2god: My question to u is not bible based u knw. Its just a honest man-to-man question and no offence. I still ask u, do u believe that all wat watchtower is teaching u as at now is true? If yes, dats ok. I am puttin it to u dat at least 7% of wat they r telling u today as bible truth will definitly be nuliffied as false in 15yrs time (wen the light becomes brighter).
And if u want to drag me into JW doctrinal changes over the yrs i will gladly give u many instances where they have changed their doctrine, or go back to doctrines\teachings the formally interprete in different ways.
I am not here talking about xmas, birthday, easter, or new yr celebrations.
Remeber that in the original JW teachin Jesus was not arch-angel michael as it is presently promoted by watchtower. if it was in the 17/1800c that someone came up to say that the bible does not teach/support christmas celebration you would have burnt such a person on a stake. But today, those you burnt on a state have been proven to be on the right rather than your like. If we are to consider the entering of God's kingdom on such basis, "your likes" will have miss out cause you today have come to believe that christmas has no biblical basis but pegan and had thrived in tradition. But you and your kind dont/and will never learn. I hope some people will not have to reward themselves with everlasting life at the end. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by truthislight: 10:31pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
TroGunn: No way all these scriptures means Jesus existed only in God's mind before he was born:
John 1:1-3 -- "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made".
John 1:14 -- "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."
John 6:62 -- "Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending TO WHERE HE WAS BEFORE?"
Prov 8:30 -- "Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence"
Matthew 22:41-46 -- "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The LORD (Yahweh) said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions"".
And the popularity of a belief is no proof of it's correctness, otherwise you would believe the vastly more popular Trinity. The Bible sorely is the source of true belief, not popularity.
I do agree we are overflogging it- true, some people will never accept what stares them in the face for whatever personal reasons. No point discussing it further. i dont know why you still bother yourself with frosbel on this thread? Left to me his posting here is insignificant and and does not add value to this thread. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by truthislight: 10:23pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
Todaynatoday: Oluwa, Chineke, Ubangiji, Osanoboa, Abasi, God!!!!!!!! What is going on here? 27 pages and still no conclusion!!! *mhen i've gats to un-follow this thread. So much confusion* what contrary evidence do you have for this statement? Are you a trinitarian? If yes, then, you are already an old story. Evidence may not work on you unless you are "hunger" for truth. Peace |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by truthislight: 10:17pm On Dec 09, 2012*. Modified: 10:33pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
true2god: My question to u is dis, do u accept all what watchtower is teaching u today as nothing but the truth? I guess your answer to this question is YES in the affirmative.
If watchtower comes tomorrow and teach a slightly different thing (if anoda light gets brighter), against what u hav been tradtionally taught as 'the bible truth', will u accept it without question? my friend, it looks like you have stagnated because of this your "watchtower" complains? Please have a life! That is why it is not good for one to be fixated on "hurting" others. Imagined your contribution on this thread? You have been nothing more than a nuisance. Please have "a life", so that you can move on on. Peace |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Embassy, No Private Jet, No University, Why by truthislight: 9:35pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
ProPastorChris: @ truthislight
contradictions or you mean to big for your religious mind to handle  oh! Jesus teaching was very simple for men to understand but your own is now "too big" abi? Is it really true that it is "too big" or it is a "confusion" meant to confuse the sheeple and open them up for exploitation?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 6:11pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
true2god: I need a sincere and baptized JW to ansa this:
The following questions were asked b4 u got baptized:
(1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?
(2) Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses (not as a xtain as they were first and presently called) in a ssociation with God's spirit-directed organization (not HOLY SPIRIT but watchtower organization)?
My JW friends can u see how watchtower (your deceitful organization) has technically removed the Holy Spirit from the baptism/salvation arrangent and replaced it with God's spirit directed organization-A.K.A watchtower (instead of the Holy Spirit)?
And Jesus commanded them saying, ''Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit''.
I knew many lost JW will still go ahead and belive some of this false teaching coming from the Watchtower elders who are bent on twisting the Bible to deceive the gullible public. Please flee JEHOVAH WITNESS for ur sake. They r wolves who came in sheep clothing at ur door step (ignorant JW who neva really understang what going behind watchttower curtain) hahaha. Lol. Trinity has finish this one. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 2:01pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
RWilliams: Not sure how to quote an excerpt from another blogger on this forum, help please? after quoting his comment from the quote icon below his comment just ensure to cut the exact post of the posters comment and insert in his up and down quote like illustrated below. See eg: [quote author=RWilliams]in side likes this [/quote ] |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 1:47pm On Dec 09, 2012*. Modified: 6:18pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 12:42pm On Dec 09, 2012 |
MyJoe: I, on my part, will not be surprised if you don’t reply me, since JWs tend to wax eloquent when demolishing stuff like Trinity (which is not rooted in the Bible) but when some unrehearsed real issues are raised, they cop out, labelling the other person as an “opposer” cast in the mould of the Pharisees. Anyway, if you want PROOF of anything I say here, just ask and I will supply them in lorry loads.
Some will say the JWs are the ones always peddling “long laborious doctrinal disagreements”. How, for instance, do you explain someone insisting Jesus was killed on a tree rather than a cross? Such a minor thing!
Coming from a JW…
It is true Witnesses refuse to kill their neighbours in war, which is commendable. Many of them have also refused to betray their brothers. But, you see, it doesn’t end there. For one thing, fighting in war is not always a bad thing. In fact, it is sometimes the right thing to do. I, for instance, am totally against violence. But I do recognise, like the non-violent George Orwell also did, that the reason I sleep peacefully on my bed at night is because someone stands outside ready to do violence on my behalf. Do you know what would have happened if brave men and women had not offered up their lives to stop the Third Reich? Hitler would have taken over the world (God forbid!) and (1) all the Jews and Slavs in the world would have been exterminated (2) All the blacks in the world would have been sent to labour camps (3) All homosexuals, the mentally ill and other “impurities” would have been exterminated (4) All the JWs in the world would have been sent to labour camps.
But the above would mean nothing to you. You believe it was Jehovah who stopped the Third Reich so your preaching work can continue, not the people of the world led by the UK, the US and Russia. It appears you Witnesses live in a world of your own, following your perverse interpretation of “you are no part of the world.” Which is why a Witness almost invariably manifests a childlike refusal to deal appropriately with the complexities of the world around him. Pain, disease and misgovernance are of Satan’s world – no need to do anything since Armageddon, which is around the corner, will end it all. So everybody, forward march to Armageddon! A Witness will never speak out against injustice except when it is directly targeted at his preaching work. But you know the result of this, friend? Injustice within your Organisation is also not dealt with!
On the matter of love, it is not only Witnesses that show love. In fact, they are behind some religious groups I know in the matter of love. I will not go into details about that but if you want to explore that subject further, let me know.
This is another blunder you Witnesses make. Your assumption is based primarily on your door-to-door activity. Think: does the use of this specific preaching method prove that this is the only true Christian organization, while other groups who use other methods to reach people with their message are not Christians? Are they less effective than the Witnesses? And do you know there is no evidence that the first century Christians used this preaching method?
The hard facts available (ask me, and I will supply them) is that quite a number of Christian groups are growing in number, many of them even much faster than Jehovah's Witnesses. It is your Watchtower publications that are giving you the FALSE impression that other Christian denominations and sects are declining in numbers, that the "waters" of "Babylon the Great" is "drying up." (Rev. 16:12 and 17:15) Nothing could be falser. It is true that the majority of the Christian denominations have been declining in the Western countries, but this also holds true in the case of Jehovah's Witnesses in that part of the world. However, due to developments in certain parts of the world, there has been a tremendous increase of Christians in the world as a whole since the century that ended a decade ago. Again, this applies to the JW as well.
Having devoted a good deal of my time to studying the religions, I am aware of several churches that sanction erring members. Some methods are bizarre, others are humane and reflect the kind of love Christ taught. Shunning, the method used by the Witnesses is the harshest I have come across. It lacks human face and it saddens me that human beings who claim to represent God conceived it. (I took some time to study the life and times of the particular WT President who invented it and wasn’t surprised at all.) And I will not let you put a gloss on it here, so I will attempt to present it the way it really works. For I heard of a man who committed suicide after he was disfellowshipped and made to face shunning for smoking. And many have spoken of being denied love by family members. Meanwhile, these policies are not applied consistently, but that is a different matter. I will have your readers know that it is not only those who involve themselves in fornication and co that face this treatment, as you will have them believe here. Questioning the teachings of the Watchtower Society, for instance, is a no-no that will see you being accused of apostatising and lead to shunning. Please permit me to ask you a question: when you go preaching from house to house, do you tell potential recruits, and newer ones in your midst, that once recruited they can’t leave the Organisation? Ok, let me modify that – actually they can leave. But do you tell them that that means that if their kids are Witnesses they will be shunned by such kids and denied their natural right to filial love? Do new recruits know that anyone who leaves the Organisation will be seen by Witnesses, including his former friends, as worse than the most despicable dog?
I think it does mean that they are false prophets.
Add And someone who says what God did not send him to say in the name of God. Jer 23:21 says: “I did not send the prophets, yet they themselves ran. I did not speak to them, yet they themselves prophesied.
This is the old masthead of Awake!: "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." The Awake! masthead now reads: "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things."
Creator’s promise? 1914? Now, honestly, do you still think you are not false prophets?
With respect, sir, the above is scurrilous nonsense! None of the virgins stood up and declared that the Master had come as your Organisation has done since it was founded. In fact, your Organisation was founded because the world was to end in 1914. Most of you don’t even know this. I borrowed your WT Library from a friend and installed it on my PC. I note that publications before 1950 are not there, so most of you are blissfully ignorant of a lot of things concerning Watchtower Jehovism. Even offensive articles after 1950 are removed from this “comprehensive” Library. If Watchtower were a state, it would be twice as closed as North Korea and ten times as secretive.
Are you seriously saying that nations did not rise against nations until 1914? I don’t think even you will dare say that. Is there a biblical basis for associating anything with this date, then, or do you just believe it because someone told you it is so?
Are you really separate from what you call “false religion”? Are you aware of your Organisation’s alliance with a prominent church ministry a few years ago? Do also know your Organisations’ alliance with political powers? Perhaps it is okay by you for the leadership of your religion to preach water and drink wine? (I am deliberately being vague because I doubt you are able to handle these matters. I know that for someone who is smart, hints are all required. On the other hand, if someone is not smart, anything you tell them, plain or vague, is useless. Whatever you choose to believe in is your business, but seeing your eloquence and how it might inveigle meek children of God who may have been misguided into believing that the truth about God is found in one single place and are honestly searching for it on this forum, I am typing to present some of the facts as they are. You are welcome to counter them. The Witnesses are good, very good. Which is not surprising considering all those practice and rehearsals at your meetings, where presentation, dialogue, logic, and refutation are drilled into the preacher (called "publisher" for use in the field. Put a trained anybody against a novice in any field, and the result of foreknown. That, and not any “truth”, is why your field workers often seem able to demolish any arguments put forth by people of other Christian denominations. I would hope you drop your JW goggles while reading what I am writing, but of course, that is too much to hope for whenever one is dealing with anyone high on the narcotic called religion.)
Can't say much on this now, except that being the best organised religious group on earth (which you are) does not remotely mean being the uniquely "true religion". Your "unity" comes at a great prize - if I lay them bare here, I am sure most reasonable people would want nothing to do with your kind of "unity" which is really uniformity. There is evidence that the chaos you see in Christendom today was there in the first century. Bickering is normal among humans. MyJoe: I borrowed your WT Library from a friend and installed it on my PC. I note that publications before 1950 are not there, so most of you are blissfully ignorant of a lot of things concerning Watchtower Jehovism. Even offensive articles after 1950 are removed from this “comprehensive” Library. i can still recall a discussion with you were you said that "your friend a JW let you lay your hands on something you should not have layed your hands on" when i said that it was a "CD wt library" you denied it, but see you here saying it yourself with your own words. How true then can one take your utterances? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 11:04am On Dec 09, 2012 |
dwonder: Jehovah’s Witnesses
Definition: The worldwide Christian society of people who actively bear witness regarding Jehovah God and his purposes affecting mankind. They base their beliefs solely on the Bible.
What beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses set them apart as different from other religions?
(1) Bible: Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the entire Bible is the inspired Word of God, and instead of adhering to a creed based on human tradition, they hold to the Bible as the standard for all their beliefs.
(2) God: They worship Jehovah as the only true God and freely speak to others about him and his loving purposes toward mankind. Anyone who publicly witnesses about Jehovah is usually identified as belonging to the one group—“Jehovah’s Witnesses.”
(3) Jesus Christ: They believe, not that Jesus Christ is part of a Trinity, but that, as the Bible says, he is the Son of God, the first of God’s creations; that he had a prehuman existence and that his life was transferred from heaven to the womb of a virgin, Mary; that his perfect human life laid down in sacrifice makes possible salvation to eternal life for those who exercise faith; that Christ is actively ruling as King, with God-given authority over all the earth since 1914.
(4) God’s Kingdom: They believe that God’s Kingdom is the only hope for mankind; that it is a real government; that it will soon destroy the present wicked system of things, including all human governments, and that it will produce a new system in which righteousness will prevail.
(5) Heavenly life: They believe that 144,000 spirit-anointed Christians will share with Christ in his heavenly Kingdom, ruling as kings with him. They do not believe that heaven is the reward for everyone who is “good.”
(6) The earth: They believe that God’s original purpose for the earth will be fulfilled; that the earth will be completely populated by worshipers of Jehovah and that these will be able to enjoy eternal life in human perfection; that even the dead will be raised to an opportunity to share in these blessings.
(7) Death: They believe that the dead are conscious of absolutely nothing; that they are experiencing neither pain nor pleasure in some spirit realm; that they do not exist except in God’s memory, so hope for their future life lies in a resurrection from the dead.
( Last days: They believe that we are living now, since 1914, in the last days of this wicked system of things; that some who saw the events of 1914 will also see the complete destruction of the present wicked world; that lovers of righteousness will survive into a cleansed earth.
(9) Separate from the world: They earnestly endeavor to be no part of the world, as Jesus said would be true of his followers. They show genuine Christian love for their neighbors, but they do not share in the politics or the wars of any nation. They provide for the material needs of their families but shun the world’s avid pursuit of material things and personal fame and its excessive indulgence in pleasure.
(10) Apply Bible counsel: They believe that it is important to apply the counsel of God’s Word in everyday life now—at home, in school, in business, in their congregation. Regardless of a person’s past way of life, he may become one of Jehovah’s Witnesses if he abandons practices condemned by God’s Word and applies its godly counsel. But if anyone thereafter makes a practice of adultery, fornication, homosexuality, drug abuse, drunkenness, lying, or stealing, he will be disfellowshipped from the organization.
(The above list briefly states some outstanding beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses but by no means all the points on which their beliefs are different from those of other groups it is on old topic like this that you come to know what a person really is. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 10:58am On Dec 09, 2012 |
firestar: Interesting Topic. So. . . which IS the ONLY TRUE RELIGION? I've noticed this question have been ignored. . .? you have been here in this forum for some time now. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 10:46am On Dec 09, 2012 |
davidylan: Even as "bible students" there is NO ROOM for false prophecy! mind showing one? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 10:43am On Dec 09, 2012 |
Chrisbenogor: I am pretty sure you did not take the pains to go through both threads I resurrected, so before you go on it might do you good to fully understand the position of things. We are fully aware that child predators are everywhere, what no one is happy about is the fact that it is being covered up, if an elder abuses a child how will anyone know? We should wait for God to bring the matter to light? Did you watch the videos that were posted on the pages of this thread? You guys have got a big problem and your dogmatic methods do not help at all. were are you sef? You seldom post this days, are you now a JW? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 9:56am On Dec 09, 2012 |
Perrito4u: 1914
The Bible foretells the year that Christ began to rule as king of God’s government. It is in this same Bible book of Daniel. (Daniel 4:10-37) There a giant, heaven-high tree is used to represent King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. He was the highest human ruler at that time. However, King Nebuchadnezzar was forced to know that someone higher was ruling. This one is “the Most High,” or “the King of the heavens,” Jehovah God. (Daniel 4:34, 37) So, in a more important way, this heaven-high tree, comes to represent the supreme rulership of God, particularly in its relationship to our earth. Jehovah’s rulership was expressed for a time through the kingdom that he set up over the nation of Israel. Thus the kings of the tribe of Judah who reigned over the Israelites were said to “sit upon Jehovah’s throne.”—1 Chronicles 29:23. According to the Bible account in Daniel chapter four, the heaven-high tree was cut down. However, the stump was left, and bands of iron and of copper were put on it. This would keep the stump from growing until it was God’s time to remove the bands and let it start growing again. But how and when was God’s rulership cut down? In due course, the kingdom of Judah that Jehovah had set up became so corrupt that he allowed King Nebuchadnezzar to destroy it, to cut it down. This happened in the year 607 B.C.E. At that time Zedekiah, the last king of Judah to sit on Jehovah’s throne, was told: “Lift off the crown. . . . it will certainly become no one’s until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him.”—Ezekiel 21:25-27. So God’s rulership, as represented by the “tree,” was cut down in 607 B.C.E. No longer was there a government to represent God’s rulership in the earth. Thus, in 607 B.C.E. a period of time began that Jesus Christ later referred to as “the appointed times of the nations,” or, “the times of the Gentiles.” (Luke 21:24; King James Version) During these “appointed times” God did not have a government to represent his rulership in the earth. What was to happen at the end of these “appointed times of the nations”? Jehovah was to give the power to rule to the One “who has the legal right.” This One is Jesus Christ. So if we can find out when “the appointed times of the nations” end, we will know when Christ begins to rule as king. According to Daniel chapter four, these “appointed times” would be “seven times.” Daniel shows that there would be “seven times” during which God’s rulership, as represented by the “tree,” would not be in operation over the earth. (Daniel 4:16, 23) How long are these “seven times”? In Revelation chapter 12, verses 6 and 14, we learn that 1,260 days are equal to “a time [that is, 1 time] and times [that is, 2 times] and half a time.” That is a total of 3 1/2 times. So “a time” would be equal to 360 days. Therefore, “seven times” would be 7 times 360, or 2,520 days. Now if we count a day for a year, according to a Bible rule, the “seven times” equal 2,520 years.—Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6. We have already learned that “the appointed times of the nations” began in the year 607 B.C.E. So by counting 2,520 years from that date, we come down to 1914 C.E. That is the year these “appointed times” ended. In that year, World War I began a period of terrible trouble that has continued to our day.
Jesus: In the year 29 C.E. when Jesus was 30 years of age, he went to John the Baptizer to be baptized by him in the waters of the Jordan River. The Bible states: “After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him. Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: ‘This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.’” (Matthew 3:16, 17) After hearing those words of approval, could John have had any doubt that Jesus was God’s Chosen One? By pouring out His holy spirit on Jesus, Jehovah God anointed him, or appointed him, to be the King of His coming Kingdom. Thus, Jesus became Jesus Christ, or Jesus the Anointed One. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by truthislight: 9:01am On Dec 09, 2012 |
true2god: I pray u and i will be alive when watchtower will give u 'a new light' on dis matter. They hav done it before, they r doing it now and dey will do it again.
I hope u wont feel embarrasd wen they tell u dat Jesus is anoda person entirely with some new 'research' and inconsistent quotes frm the scriptures to bring more confusion to ur understanding of the scriptures. U had better do ur personal study of d scriptures and stop usin watchtower magazines as a guide to interpreting the sciptures.
It is highly misleading, i knw u wont take dat cos u r already too deep to see dem do wrong or misinterprete bible verses. already too deep? Lol. Lol. Lol. true2god: i knw u wont take dat cos u r already too deep to see dem do wrong or misinterprete bible verses. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Jesus Christ Described Hell by truthislight: 9:17pm On Dec 08, 2012 |
God2man: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. God2man: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." God2man: Now, let's us look at this statement, WHERE THEIR WORM DIETH NOT AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. This particular verse was repeated thrice by Our Lord Jesus Christ, Mark God2man: 9: 44,46,48. " Where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched" ^^^ actually, this got me spinning and wandering in great wanderment. Such kind "WORMS" that fire cannot burn also?  What about the flies?  Ok, i see, there are special breed of literal WORMS that cant be burnt in fire eternally?  Wont the WORMS feel the pains and heat? Are the WORMS also going to feel the heat and pains eternally also? Wont they feel the pains?  Why then will the humans feel the pains? What have the WORMS done to be put in fire eternally? Literal fire burning literal people and burning literal WORMS that wont die? WORMS that have earn eternal life?  cant literal WORMS die in literal fire again?  Hmmm! Wandering with great wanderment?   |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Jesus Christ Described Hell by truthislight: 9:17pm On Dec 08, 2012 |
God2man: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. God2man: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." God2man: Now, let's us look at this statement, WHERE THEIR WORM DIETH NOT AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. This particular verse was repeated thrice by Our Lord Jesus Christ, Mark God2man: 9: 44,46,48. " Where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched" ^^^ actually, this got me spinning and wandering in great wanderment. Such kind "WORMS" that fire cannot burn also?  What about the flies?  Ok, i see, there are special breed of literal WORMS that cant be burnt in fire eternally?  Wont the WORMS feel the pains and heat? Are the WORMS also going to feel the heat and pains eternally also? Wont they feel the pains?  Why then will the humans feel the pains? What have the WORMS done to be put in fire eternally? Literal fire burning literal people and burning literal WORMS that wont die? WORMS that have earn eternal life?  cant literal WORMS die in literal fire again?  Hmmm! Wandering with great wanderment?   |
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovahs Witnesses D Best Religion On D Earth? by truthislight: 8:44pm On Dec 08, 2012 |
Deep Sight: I used to be a Jehovah's Witness.
The main differences between them and mainstream christianity are:
1. They do not believe that Jesus is God but the son of God
2. They do not believe that all believers are going to heaven. They believe in paradise on earth.
3. They do not believe in eternal torment in hellfire. They believe in spiritual death (the second death) as being the end of a spirit that rejects God and goodness.
4. They do not accept blood transfusions
5. They have an academic and rational approach to bible belief.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Embassy, No Private Jet, No University, Why by truthislight: 8:17pm On Dec 08, 2012 |
ProPastorChris: @ truthislight
have you? are you the gateman or gatewoman? we were born INTO the kingdom  Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
yea you right but this is the simple truth so many have failed to see. being rich according to the Word has everything to do with your spirit man not what you amass in your bank account. our spirits were born to contain Almighty God, so what do we lack if we have Him in us? so if i drive my private jet, does that suggest i am materialistic? when i can buy a whole country if i desire! God has blessed us so much that the devil is confused and angry, so he set out some of his kids and borrowed some christians to fight the fact that the church is rich. remember, God did not create cash, man did cos God's idea of affluence is not cash based. what God wants is His Word in your spirit and watch what the Word can turn you into  i hate poverty, its demonic ^^^ contradictions!!! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Oyedepo: The Church Last Paid Me In 1987 by truthislight: 6:40pm On Dec 08, 2012*. Modified: 9:21pm On Dec 14, 2012 |
[quote author=sergio-zlatan]let's leave it to God. i hate blasphemy but let God judge them[/quote]this is one of such cheat that would rather eat fat from exploitation and wish to use "let God judge him" to cover it up.
Why did he not wait for God to command in the NT for collection of tith befor he get started?
Cheat |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Bible Alone Sufficient For Christians by truthislight: 5:22pm On Dec 08, 2012 |
so, where were we? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Embassy, No Private Jet, No University, Why by truthislight: 10:58pm On Dec 07, 2012 |
truthislight: ^^^ .how would you have known what he has when he is very good at covering his tracks? [quote author=*solid*]I think this thread is goi the wrong way i did nt foresee. This thread is now closed officially.[/quote]^^^ .how would you have known what he has when he is very good at covering his tracks? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Docjay487......a Misleading Topic To Fan Sentiments Against Jehovah's Witnesses by truthislight: 10:50pm On Dec 07, 2012 |
Docjay487: amen. Thanks for calling me DECAY. mail me ok? actually that was not deliberate. When i make use of my hand held devise that has the word dictionary activated it always seems to change what i had thought i had spelt out correctly, unless i happened to go through it befor posting. My apology though. However, i hope you will not mind dealing with the op? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Worst Bible Translation? by truthislight: 10:43pm On Dec 07, 2012*. Modified: 1:41pm On Jan 22, 2013 |
Lasinoh: The major disconnection between the OT and NT. Irreconciliable!  it is the OT prophesies that made the NT. "Keep on asking" |
Christianity Etc › Re: Poverty Has Been Abolished!!! by truthislight: 10:40pm On Dec 07, 2012*. Modified: 9:23pm On Dec 14, 2012 |
Joagbaje: ^^^ APPLAUSE!.... Thread closed. Hahaha. Lol. Consistency consistency!!! Was it not the same you? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Bible Alone Sufficient For Christians by truthislight: 9:59pm On Dec 07, 2012 |
striktlymi: Good morning,
I believe that what u are going through has been experienced by some catholics but I know that if u r sincere about ur search for the truth and have not already formed an opinion already in ur mind and if u r open to the spirit then HE will lead u gently to the truth.
Firstly the church believes that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, hence it is infallible, hence it is authoritative in our lives; and it's a practical guide, it's one in which we can hear the voice of God, the living voice speaking to us in our own lives.
The real question, then, is not much whether the Bible is the Word of God, inspired, infallible and authoritative, but whether it itself teaches that it is the only, exclusive authority governing the Body of Christ i.e does the bible teach "sola scriptura"? "Sola scriptura" is the view that the Bible is the only Word of God in this world and is the only guide for conscience in the Church. It's the only source of true knowledge and of God's grace, and it's the only qualified judge of the Church's testimony and teaching. This for the most part is true but the issue in it is the emphasis on the word "Only".
The Bible is to be regarded by all Catholics as our guide, as our source, as our judge, as the living and active Word of God, alive in our lives, in addition to which the Church confesses a living tradition to which she is bound out of obedience to Scripture. Which brings us to the church's stand: "Sola fide" i.e sacred scriptures and sacred tradition as against "Sola scriptura". Scripture speaks of that living tradition very naturally, very easily and matter-of-factly, as we'll see in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 where Paul commends and commands the Thessalonian Christians to hold fast to what Christ has passed on to him, to what he passed on to them, to the tradition, whether it is written or whether it is spoken. Now Paul could take matter-of-factly, and he could state matter-of-factly the authority and existence of a living tradition. He didn't feel any need to argue for this living tradition; he assumed it and he assumed the Thessalonians knew what he was talking about.
Now the question is: where is that living tradition and how is it that we are held fast to that living tradition and how is that living tradition distinct from our own individual interpretation of the Bible?
The doctrine of sola scriptura, that the Bible alone is our only authority, is itself unscriptural. We won't find anywhere in scripture where God told his people that the Bible alone is their sole authority. Second Timothy 3:15 doesn't teach that. It teaches the inspiration of Scripture, but just because the Bible is inspired and profitable, doesn't mean that only the Bible is inspired and profitable. Matthew 15 condemns tradition which is merely human and which contradicts the Word of God, but 2 Thessalonians 2:15 speaks about a tradition through which the Word of God is conveyed authoritatively. St. Paul also commends the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 11:2 for 'holding fast to the traditions that he had handed on to them'.
Sola scriptura is also unhistorical. That is, the Church was spreading for decades, long before the New Testament books were written, gathered and officially canonized, or collected in an authoritative collection. The New Testament books were in a certain sense occasional documents written to help certain congregations or certain area churches with particular questions, but nowhere does the Bible say, or does the New Testament regard itself, as a compendium that is sufficient for everything we need to know to live the Christian life.
The doctrine of sola scriptura is also contrary to sound reasoning. It's illogical. How do you know what Scripture is? How do you know what books are inspired? Do we leave it up to each individual Christian to read all of the books that were possibly included or excluded? Have you read and studied The Shepherd of Hermas? The Epistle of Barnabas? The Book of Clement? The Epistles of Ignatius? All of these were circulated in such a way as that some regarded them as scriptural. Others didn't. The Church had to decide and, thanks be to God, Jesus Christ gave to his apostles his own authority to decide, and their successors carried on their authority so that we could have a New Testament today, But I believe it's illogical to suggest that the Bible alone is our authority when the Bible alone can't give to us what books are and aren't to be included in the Bible. How could it? If revelation included a list of every single book to be included we would only be able to trust that if we knew that revelation itself was inspired. But no book can confirm or authenticate its own inspired status.
Can every believer be expected to understand and articulate the hypostatic union of the two natures of Christ? Very few believers could give a very articulate and detailed defense of that doctrine. If every believer is permitted to interpret sacred scripture as they see fit then you would have a state where every man and woman would interpret to suit his or her own selfish intent, just as St Peter warned us against in 2 Peter 3:16. The church's position is that sacred scripture was written through the inspiration of God's spirit and this can be used in our salvations journey but the church maintains that sacred scriptures should not be subject to individual interpretations and it is not supposed to teach us our faith.
Lastly, on the teachings of Paul, Peter made us understand, in 2 Peter 3:16, that some of these teachings can be difficult to understand and subject to false interpretation: "This is what he says in all his letters when he writes on the subject. There are some difficult things in his letters which ignorant and unstable people explain falsely, as they do with other passages of the Scriptures. So they bring on their own destruction." this you msg makes me wander if you were expecting the op/thread! 1. However, what happens when tradition contradict the epistle like it always does? 2. The tradition in question that paul talked about, was it the tradition of the apostles befor the scriptures were written or after the apostles have gone? Dont forget that it is only the apostles that wrote the teaching of the NT. Were they(apostles) shading their authority to others that they have even warned us about? Can the authority of any other person be equated to that of the apostles! Hmmm! |