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obadiah777: THIS IS WHY TRUTHISLIGHT ALWAYS ERRS IN SCRIPTURE. HE ONLY READ THAT NIV

young children of this days!

Always presumptiouse.

Hmmm!

Pastor Kun: You would be in a better place to tell us how oyaks spends your money na!

you mean the tith they pay to him?

[quote author=*solid*]It is now not a new thing for pastors in Nigeria and beyound to own expensive private properties.

Most of the so called big churches and GOs now own private jet, private univeristies, private secondary school, and private publishing company among others.

It is a known fact that Pst Chris is one of the top pastors in Nigeria.

Now, I'm just wondering why Pst Chris does not own a private jet, private schools or private university.

Any body with a reasonable answer or reason?[/quote]what if he owns such without using his name and not fronting it?

Well, the all live the same life style that is unbecoming for a follower of christ.

Boomark: Mt 11:14
New International Version
(©1984)
And if you are willing to
accept it, he is the Elijah
who was to come.

Luke 1:17
New International Version (NIV)
17 And he will go on before the
Lord, in the spirit and power of
Elijah, to turn the hearts of the
parents to their children and the
disobedient to the wisdom of the
righteous—to make ready a people
prepared for the Lord.”

Not everyone is chosen to fulfil the purpose God wants to accomplish. You can correct me if am wrong.

^^^
he came in the role of Elijah.

What exactly are you saying

reincanation is the process of a person that died coming back in the form of another person or thing, and it is a continuous process they say.

Does the bible teach immortality of the soul?

Take note, Jesus christ was not a human on earth befor coming as the massaiah.

obadiah777: YAHAWAH / YAHAWASHI

lol.

Were did you get the vowels "A" from?

Did you see that you are guilty of the same offence you cried about?

Look at this:

YHWH = Yahweh (a,e = vowels inserted)

YHWH = Jehovah (e,o,a = vowels inserted)

YHWH = YAHAWAH (a = vowel inserted)

the ancient hebrew writing had no vowels, so how come your own version also borrowed vowel and inserted?

Young man, i have been telling you to slow down but you will not listen, what you are displaying is called foolishness.
Peace

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR NOT KNOWING SCRIPTURES BOOKMARK. THE LETTER 'J' WAS INVENTED IN THE 1600s. THE LORD EXISTED WAY BEFORE THE 1600s. SO HIS NAME WAS NEVER JESUS OR JEHOVAH. THESE ARE GREEK TITLES. SO I AM MOCKING GREEK TITLES NOT THE NAME OF OUR LORD

lol.

How old are you.

Am asking because your ignorance is increasing exponentially.

Is it that you dont know that the hebrew writing did not have vowels but was written with consonants in the form of abreviation/symbols or your half baked knowledge is proving to be the disaster that half knowledge with pride and pompussity always is?

The tetragramaton used to represent YHWH can not really be Y,H,W,H since the symbols were kind of written differently.

but it is YHWH in our modern writings when transcribed to later in use today.

Are you saying that since the Jews did not have letter "J" they could not have used there symbol to represent Yahweh/Jehovah in there own way?

The Yahweh that we use most often here has letter "E" a vowel that was not a thing that the jews used, are you saying that putting the vowel "E" that is in use today and making it readable to all is an insult to the almighty God?

Your kind will wish that the name of the almighty should be lost as to served the purpose of your master, Yahweh's number one enemy. That reference to that name YHWH should not be used in whatever form.

Your kind of stupidity is of the first order and it amazes me Greatly that one can be this stupid.

Just like Yahweh, Jehovah is addition of vowels and is the oldest version of the pronunciation that is known till date refering to the God of the Jews.

But whenever you opened your mouth ignorance and stupidity gusheses out like river.

You really need help since you have no regards for holy things.

If not it being a forum that we wish to correct and help people to learn, your kind is kept at arms length.
*sigh*

obadiah777: AND I REPEAT, THE LETTER 'J' WAS ONLY INVENTED IN THE 1600s SO HIS NAME IS NOT JESUS. EVEN IN THE KING JAMES BIBLE 1611 HE WAS NOT CALLED JESUS. SCRIPTURE SAYS HIS NAME IS 'HE SAVES' WHICH IN THE ANCIENT HEBREW MEANS 'YAHAWASHI'
MATTHEW 1 VS 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. <<< HE SAVES. WHICH IN ANCIENT HEBREW IS ' HA MASHAYACH YAHAWASHI'

this is childs play.

Can you try and give us the right name of Yahweh/Jehovah?
Pleaseeeeeeee.

(Yea, Jesus = he saves of Nazarene)
that is what they were calling him.

Give us also the name of the father pleaseeeeee.

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR NOT KNOWING SCRIPTURES BOOKMARK. THE LETTER 'J' WAS INVENTED IN THE 1600s. THE LORD EXISTED WAY BEFORE THE 1600s. SO HIS NAME WAS NEVER JESUS OR JEHOVAH. THESE ARE GREEK TITLES. SO I AM MOCKING GREEK TITLES NOT THE NAME OF OUR LORD

lol.

How old are you.

Am asking because your ignorance is increasing exponentially.

Is it that you dont know that the hebrew writing did not have vowels but was written with consonants in the form of abreviation/symbols or your half baked knowledge is proving to be the disaster that half knowledge with pride and pompussity always is?

The tetragramaton used to represent YHWH can not really be Y,H,W,H since the symbols were kind of written differently.

but it is YHWH in our modern writings when transcribed to laters/alphabet in use today.

Are you saying that since the Jews did not have letter "J" they could not have used there symbol to represent Yahweh/Jehovah in there own way?

The Yahweh that we use most often here has letter "E" a vowel that was not a thing that the jews used, are you saying that putting the vowel "E" that is in use today and making it readable to all is an insult to the almighty God?

Your kind will wish that the name of the almighty should be lost as to served the purpose of your master, Yahweh's number one enemy. That reference to that name YHWH should not be used in whatever form.

Your kind of stupidity is of the first order and it amazes me Greatly that one can be this stupid.

Just like Yahweh, Jehovah is addition of vowels and is the oldest version of the pronunciation that is known till date refering to the God of the Jews.

But whenever you opened your mouth ignorance and stupidity gusheses out like river.

You really need help since you have no regards for holy things.

It is you that knows whose purpose you serve in this forum.

Jesus christ =0
Yahweh/Jehovah =0

If not it being a forum that we wish to correct and help people to learn, your kind is kept at arms length.
*sigh*

Bidam: Funny u calling oyedepo shallow and incompetent preacher..i have listened to his tapes and read his books..we may disagree on some doctrinal issues..but there is nothing shallow or incompetent about him...now my question is do u have a mentor in ministry? Cos i can see u using a tag of pst on ur nick..or is it just plain hypocrisy just to mock the body of christ.

Oyadepo is a Fraud.

Bidam: Funny u calling oyedepo shallow and incompetent preacher..i have listened to his tapes and read his books..we may disagree on some doctrinal issues..but there is nothing shallow or incompetent about him...now my question is do u have a mentor in ministry? Cos i can see u using a tag of pst on ur nick..or is it just plain hypocrisy just to mock the body of christ.

Oyadepo is a Fraud. QED.

[quote author=Area_boy]its complicated [/quote]@frosbel

this guy says your issue is complicated o!

Why?

Image123: And you that is competent and deep, what have you done for yourself or for God. Envious fellow, look for something to achieve before you die.

its like while @ chris Oyakhelomi-Joagbaje is a product working for chris Oyakhelomi.

@image123 is a product of Adeboye.

Ok, it is noted.

seriallink: I think your explanation is based on Yahweh's reign which would be after Christ's 1000 yrs righteous reign on Earth; ofcourse, death would be automatically defeated and Yahweh would live on Earth with humans forever (Revelation 21:3). However, I doubt if that is applicable during Christ 1000 yrs righteous reign as referenced in Isaiah 65:20 & v22. The 1000 yrs reign would be like restoration of the Garden of Eden.

Isaiah 65:17-23:

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Back to the issue of 'death' as mentioned in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23. If you say the 'death' in those verses is literal or the physical death we are facing now, it will mean then that any sinner who dies young or maybe in a violent manner (Like in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah) wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've paid for their sins, no? Are you saying the people who died in Sodom and Gomorrah wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've already paid for their sins for dying violently?

I'm strongly convinced that the warnings for the wages of sin as referenced in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23 is 'spiritual death', ie 'second death' which would be after resurrection and judgement before Yahweh takes over and rule forever!

this is what God meant when he said death:

"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." (Genesis 3:19).

That is what God meant by death.

Any other thing is your own word and not the word of God.

Should we take words from your head and leave out what the bible said?

i have to copy this here for frosbel to see quickly anywhere he is. Lol.

frosbel: No it is not.

Why did Christ have to pre-exist ?

What is strange is that you believe in a sort of incarnation of a spirit into a human body , rather than the simple and factual conception and birthing of Jesus by the Power of the Holy Spirit as a FULL MAN , the Only directly Begotten SON of the Living GOD.

He did not need to pre-exist , this is the confusion of the millennium.

@frosbel.

Can you please define reincarnation from a dictionary for all to see, and then do us the favour of applying it on how Jesus coming down from heaven without dying fits into your reincarnation theory?

Unless you dont know the meaning of the word reincarnation that you are shouting.

We are waiting.

frosbel: No it is not.

Why did Christ have to pre-exist ?

What is strange is that you believe in a sort of incarnation of a spirit into a human body , rather than the simple and factual conception and birthing of Jesus by the Power of the Holy Spirit as a FULL MAN , the Only directly Begotten SON of the Living GOD.

He did not need to pre-exist , this is the confusion of the millennium.

@frosbel.

Can you please define reincarnation from a dictionary for all to see, and then do us the favour of applying it on how Jesus coming down from heaven without dying fits into your reincarnation theory?

Unless you dont know the meaning of the word reincarnation that you are shouting.

We are waiting.

obadiah777: READ EZEKIEL CHAPTER 37. YES DEAD SPIRITS HAVE GRAVES <<< SYMBOLIC. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WALKING AROUND WITH DEAD SPIRITS. THEIR SPIRITS ARE IN THE GRAVE

my friend have a life!

Spiritually dead simply means that the person has no relationship with God at the time and of course, the person can repent.

What has grave to do with it?

seriallink: Thank you, that makes a lot sense brah. I do not believe in eternal torture/torment in hell, so it makes a lot of sense to say people who do not believe in Yahweh or have heard and rejected it would cease to exist when they die and there wouldn't be judgement for them because they've already made their choices, eg logicboy, muskeeto, advocate666, manmustwac and the rest

We are on the same page now brah. The only part I'd like to understand now is the judgement for those who were not opportune to hear the gospel before they died. Are they going to be resurrected for judgement or be resurrected and given the chance to make their choices?

Peace!

good you are seeing the beauty of Yahweh that false religion has covered in the mud.

seriallink: The only part I'd like to understand now is the judgement for those who were not opportune to hear the gospel before they died. Are they going to be resurrected for judgement or be resurrected and given the chance to make their choices?

Peace!

they fall among the unrighteouse that will be resurected to life.

The reason for there Resurection is the 1000ys Judgment.

Note : the are freed from there sin on being resurected as such there is no basis for them to be damned immediately.

But will first be instructed about the christ from the scroll that will be opened. Rev. 20:12.

So, their Resurection is a Resurection to judgement.
Peace

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obadiah777: TRUTHISLIGHT I SEE WHY YOU ARE ALWAYS CONFUSED. YOU READ THE WRONG BIBLE. NIV IS GARBAGE CORRUPTED BIBLE. THAT YOUR VERSE IN KJV

ECCLESIASTES 3 VS 11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. <<< DOESNT SAY NOTHING ABOUT ETERNITY. BE CAREFUL NOT TO READ THE WRONG BIBLE

what understanding did you get from that quote there?

If the world have been set in the heart of man is it not obvious that man just wish to keep living on and on in the world?

Who then is in actuality confused?

obadiah777: HADES IS GRAVE. GRAVE = BURIAL PLACE OF DEAD SPIRITS. NO HADES = EVERYONE WILL BE SPIRITUALLY ALIVE. NO MORE SPIRITUAL DEATH. THERE CANT BE SPIRITUAL DEATH WITH CHRIST BEING AMONGST US ALL

ISAIAH 37 VS 12 <<<< SPIRITUALLY DEAD PEOPLE IN THE GRAVE ( NOT PHYSICAL GRAVE. SPIRITUAL GRAVE ). IN FACT READ THE WHOLE EZEKIEL CHAPTER 37 ABOUT THE VALLEY OF DRY BONES.

lol.

Spiritually dead people have a grave?

What a west?

Where is the grave located?

I just wander how people build a theory out of nothing.

Why did all dead turned to "spiritual dead" to you but everlasting life turn to literal eternal life?

Should it not be "spiritual everlasting life"?

*sigh*

[quote author=Area_boy]this is one topic you and I will always agree on

I'm starting to like you. You're not that bad afterall [/quote]lol,

so you still maintain that he is bad though not that bad?

What part of him is bad then?

seriallink: ^^^Hardwork brah, you can't just sit there and pray for a billions and be expecting God to bless you. Everything is there, you have to just work hard as you tap into this 'over double portion'. Infact, hardwork is a pre-requisite!!

meaning that all humans christians and none christians can earn a living depending on their skill level and maximisation of opurtunities.

Is it not Jesus that said this:

"That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. " (Matthew 5:45).

^^^Yahweh indeed is not partial.

truthislight: i dont know what you understand in my post going from what you have posted up there.

Yahweh killed those in sodom and Gormorah.

It is him that has the final say on them.



yes, wages for Adamic sin.

But they heard the gospel about the christ and rejected it including the promise of a kingdom by God, what are they being resurrected for?

Is entering the king by force or by choice?




the Resurection is for the benefit of those that had done the will of Yahweh and those that have not heard about the Good news about the christ.

Those that have heard and rejected IS they have already made a fundamental choice.

"this choice of theirs based on freewill is the basis of their Judgment.

Since they have heard and rejected it, they are the same like those that will hear about it at the end of this system and say no to it and will be destroyed.

They will not be resurected again since the reason for Resurection is what they have rejected while they were alive.


it is the wages of Adamic sin that death payed for alright.

But not all those that died that will be resurected.

Expercailly when they have head about the
Goodnews about the christ already.

Ultimately, Yahweh knows all the circumstances that people face and he has the final say.


No no no !!!

Not what you did befor death but rather on what, how you respond and what you do during the 1000yrs.

Romans 6:7
"he that has died is acquitted/free from sin"

on coming out = clean slate.

the death that we die pays for Adamic sin.

On Resurection we are freed from our past doing that was due to Adam. Adam sin led to the death.

This coming back has nothing to do with Adam and those coming back dont have guilt hanging on them. Freed, acquitted.

If i steal a car and was sent to one year in prison, after serving the sentence of 1year prison term, on coming out will i still pay for the car i had stolen? No.

The judgement day is simply to give all people an equal opurtunity, a short at everlasting life, even those that had died befor christ came.

Isaiah 65:20 and Isaiah 26:9,10 applies
then.

"With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness." (Isaiah 26:9).

"Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD." (Isaiah 26:10).

"There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed." (Isaiah 65:20).


Peace

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Ubenedictus: i thought "hades" is thrown into d lake of fire, so there wont be "hades" in the kingdom, or may i ask what kingdom u are talking about?

thank you.

seriallink: Bro truthislight. I get your point.

So, you are saying those who died in Sodom & Gomorrah have received their judgement in full and wouldn't be resurrected for judgement but cease to exist forever?

What about those who heard the gospel but rejected and died in their sins, will their 'death' also be considered wages for their sins? Or will they be resurrected for judgement?

I understand your stance. But you should have put the explanation this way: that 'death' is the wages of Adamic sin, which is a general thing! However, the judgement after resurrection would be based on what you did before death and not based on Adamic sin!

seriallink: So, you are saying those who died in Sodom & Gomorrah have received their judgement in full and wouldn't be resurrected for judgement but cease to exist forever?

i dont know what you understand in my post going from what you have posted up there.

Yahweh killed those in sodom and Gormorah.

It is him that has the final say on them.

seriallink: What about those who heard the gospel but rejected and died in their sins, will their 'death' also be considered wages for their sins?

yes, wages for Adamic sin.

But they heard the gospel about the christ and rejected it including the promise of a kingdom by God, what are they being resurrected for?

Is entering the king by force or by choice?

seriallink: Or will they be resurrected for judgement?

the Resurection is for the benefit of those that had done the will of Yahweh and those that have not heard about the Good news about the christ.

Those that have heard and rejected IS they have already made a fundamental choice.

"this choice of theirs based on freewill is the basis of their Judgment.

Since they have heard and rejected it, they are the same like those that will hear about it at the end of this system and say no to it and will be destroyed.

They will not be resurected again since the reason for Resurection is what they have rejected while they were alive.

seriallink: I understand your stance. But you should have put the explanation this way: that 'death' is the wages of Adamic sin, which is a general thing! However,

it is the wages of Adamic sin that death payed for alright.

But not all those that died that will be resurected.

Expercailly when they have head about the
Goodnews about the christ already.

Ultimately, Yahweh knows all the circumstances that people face and he has the final say.

seriallink: the judgement after resurrection would be based on what you did before death and not based on Adamic sin!

No no no !!!

Not what you did befor death but rather on what, how you respond and what you do during the 1000yrs.

Romans 6:7
"he that has died is acquitted/free from sin"

on coming out = clean slate.

the death that we die pays for Adamic sin.

On Resurection we are freed from our past doing that was due to Adam. Adam sin led to the death.

This coming back has nothing to do with Adam and those coming back dont have guilt hanging on them. Freed, acquitted.

If i steal a car and was sent to one year in prison, after serving the sentence of 1year prison term, on coming out will i still pay for the car i had stolen? No.

The judgement day is simply to give all people an equal opurtunity, a short at everlasting life, even those that had died befor christ came.

Isaiah 65:20 and Isaiah 26:9,10 applies
then.

"With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness." (Isaiah 26:9).

"Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD." (Isaiah 26:10).

"There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed." (Isaiah 65:20).


Peace

obadiah777: TRUTHISLIGHT ? YOU WILL LIVE TILL 1000 YEARS IN THE KINGDOM. THATS ENOUGH TIME TO ENJOY ALL THE SUYA AND OFE ONUGBU AND EFO RIRO AND TUWO NDAWA YOU WANT. TRY AND BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT TIME-SPAN. IT IS FAR BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE OF 80 YEARS WE LIVE NOW

the bible says that "God has put eternity into human heart" ecclessiates 3:11 NIV.

So, even a beautiful life of 1000yrs cannot satisfy the urge for life that Yahweh put into humans.

Will Yahweh put into human heart something he will not give to them? No

Yahweh is righteouse.

If you are ask to pick a day that you will like to die which day will you pick? (choose a day lets see)

Goshen360: ^^^ How do you mean

how do one access this or key into it?

It appears that not all christian that i have seen are abundantly rich, so what are they missing out in their worship that is preventing them from "tapping into this over double portion"?

Is this "christian God" partial?

I thought he said he knows our need even befor we ask?

Hmmm!

Logicboy03: Goshen, what is now the difference between you and a prosperity preacher?

Good question.

They come in shade and sizes.

Boomark: My dear, why i said that is that you are switching from prescient to predestination. And also a guy told me that if one jumps off from a hill and dies, that God has destined him to die like that. So i was wondering if it is what they teach you people in church.

but that is what they teach them in church.

Though he will denied it here to deceive the steeple.

Boomark: My dear, why i said that is that you are switching from prescient to predestination. And also a guy told me that if one jumps off from a hill and dies, that God has destined him to die like that. So i was wondering if it is what they teach you people in church.

but that is what they teach them in church.

obadiah777: AND WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EVERLASTING LIFE AND IMMORTALITY SINCE YOU ARE SUCH A GENIUS ? SEEING AS HOW 'ANGELS ARE NOT IMMORTAL BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE'. YOU MUST BE DRUNK ON ALOMO BITTERS

what?

Then you lose.

I will not do that here.

You can only get that by reading the full 26page archangel thread. Lol.

Next time exercise patience.

obadiah777: like i said, go into the book of isaiah 65. it describes the kingdom of heaven. doesnt say nothing about immortality of the body. says you live a longer life before you die.

there is a difference between everlastig life and immortality.

i did just explained this on the archAngel's thread not quite long ago.

Human dont need to be immoral to have everlasting life.

Are the angels immortal? No.

But they have everlasting life.

There are lot more you need to learn.

Boomark: You 1 and 2 are not strong enough. How?

Assuming an angel is made lower than the angels(just like Christ was made lower than the angels), sent into the womb of Mary and was brought into the world as a man(human). Would you say he is not capable of delivering mankind? Would you say he is not a man but spirit?

Do you know that john the Baptist is Elijah? Mt 11:14. He didn't come as a full Elijah's but he has to start as a Foetus with the spirit of Elijah.

just watch it befor you teach reincarnation.

Boomark: Do you know that john the Baptist is Elijah?

^^^

was scary.

Boomark: He didn't come as a full Elijah's but he has to start as a Foetus with the spirit of Elijah.

Elijah was a human that has lived on earth befor as a human.

Are you saying he did not die?

Elijah and John are two different persons but were propel in similar manner by the spirit of Yahweh.

Lets not accept what is not ok from you because we kept quite.

Just to set the record straight.

Silent can mean consent.

Peace