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Pastor AIO: I think it would be worth our while to consider what is meant by a god. When John says The Logos was (a) God, is it a statement of identity or a statement of quality. For instance, if we are looking for a thief and I say that Michael is The thief that would Identify him as the thief we're looking for. If I say Michael is a thief that tells us about Michael, but it doesn't identify him as the particular thief we're looking for.

Yet saying that the Logos is a god, ie saying it has divine attributes can mean nothing to us if we do not know what we mean by Divine. It is common to throw around phrases in a superficial way that when we are asked what we mean by those phrases we can only respond with 'hmmm . . . haaaahh'. That is why I open threads like this:
https://www.nairaland.com/514524/what-god

Then I've also tried to ask questions about the problem of Identity. When can something be said to be identical with something else (yes, an oxymoron but you still get what I mean)?

If one thing is greater than another in some capacity or the other can they be said to be identical. If Jesus says that the Father is greater than I what does that suggest about their shared identity. What do we mean when we say that Jesus is the same as God in essence but is a different Person from God the Father?

If I get a textile and make a buba and a sokoto from the textile can I say that the buba is the sokoto simply because they were cut from the same cloth?

certain questions just begged to be ask.

Ubenedictus: Word play, bible vs scriptures, two kids on da thread. Besides Jesus read scriptures, it it is no where written dat he read "the bible" and it is not written that he knelt and prayed b4 "a bible".

if italio is half as reasonable as you and logical as you and rational as you it will have been more of a sensible thing dicussing with him. But no!

He will not.

Just see how you opened up what he had found impossible to comprehend all this while.

scriptures as oppose to bible.

If you had not stepped in he will have continued with the "Jesus did not read bible" retort.

chukwudi44: I expected people to refute the purgatorial claims with logical or scriptural rebuttal but all I am seeing here is pure emotional illogical rants

you cannot force people to accept what they dont wish to.

However, how do you go using the bible to refute a theology that was not exclusively arrived at using the bible?

Try as you may, when apocriphals arrives, you come to know/find out that it has been a wested effort all along.

This would have made sense if and only if the parties involve all look to a common source of authority.

But no, this is not the case here as it is obvious on the previous post here.

Am surprise you could not decipher this befor concluding that others are "ranting"

that rings as being short sighted to me though?

plaetton: He he he.
So it's the Satan again?
He always manages to outsmart god, huh?
How does he manage to always sabotage god's plans?
Was god out to lunch or on sabbatical?

But more importantly , what is satanic about Paganism?

Paganism is mostly about the reverence and worship of our mother Earth, the Sun, the Moon, and the Seas as the only visible proxies of an unknowable and abstract god, what we commonly call the Chi-Ukwu.

Pagan symbols and festivities are mainly about the celebration of the facundity of the Earth and all of nature.

well, if only it is as simple like you just stated.

To understand what is at stake you may have to experience how it feels like to have a child you brought into the world from infancy and gave him/her all him/her have ever had only for him/her to rebel against you in obedience to a complete stranger that have never contributed anything toward him/her well being befor.

And to crown the rebellion it was in obedience to your sworn enemy.

Under false accusations.

plaetton: He he he.
So it's the Satan again?
He always manages to outsmart god, huh?
How does he manage to always sabotage god's plans?
Was god out to lunch or on sabbatical?

^^^

yea, when human set out to do Yahweh's bidding on his/her own strength and wisdom without taking notice of Yahweh's does and dont as directed in his words.

Such humans set themselves up for satan's manipulation due to his superior knowledge and experience.

Human cannot withstand satan on their own strength without Yahweh's help the bible says.

The failure is due to refusal to follow Yahweh's guide lines.

plaetton: But more importantly , what is satanic about Paganism?

Demons are the forces behind idolatory.

Demons are also disobedient angels that had taken side with satan.

Again, satan and Yahweh cannot shear things.

this masters cannot shear worship.

One cannot slave for two masters, it either you will love the one and hate the other

Taking Yahweh's side is not compulsory however, it is based on ones freewill and leads to :

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).

Why soul he force anyone for that?

musKeeto: Na wa to you today, later you go tell me say na me pick the language wey i dey use communicate...

Is celebrating your Savior's birth and death pagan?

yeye boy!

I know you know better.

advocate666: Like it is an achievement?
I wish I were never indoctrinated into christianity. Christianity was one of the most shameful aspects of my life.

should i really laugh or what?

The only person that sound like this next that we know of is logicboy. Lol.

I cannot deny that your experience may have been unique, afteral, people are still still paying tith today only to later realised that they have been duped all along.

Quite unfortunate though.

Pastor Kun: I am yet to receive any pledges/gift. If na oyedepo or ashimolowo talk am now people woul have started selling their properties to sow into the 'annointing'

maybe they have woken up from their slumber.

If they dont believe you, why should they even also believe their Oyedepo?

Where they there when he got the annointing?

Even if they saw that usual staged drama "call" why should they believe it is from God?

By their fruit we shall know them.

Infact, if they will ever Sow seed with Oyedep and co they should also come and Sow seed with you afteral there is a pastor attached to your name just like the rest.

Just wait for sometime the headlessl lazy greedy shameless sheeple will come pouring in their tith.

Chukskalidon: and ur pastor is God inspired, lol. Their is no business apart frm oil and drug business that is beta than pentecostal and anglican business. Ur pastor has 3 of his kids at Europe and you guys contribute for him everyday. What power does he have to b a man of God. Do u tink to interprete bible is jst reading it and blabbing. Every interpretation of d bible from a lay man is jst 5% of d 100% meaning. Dats y catholic pastors spent 18 years of studies in philosophy,theology,scripture,religion before being ordained. To spend 18yrs on courses like philosophy and theology at d university is enuf to figure out urself wat doctrine is of God and those of d earth. A tout can become a pastor tomorrow, and begin to interprete dat purgatory is satanic and foolish people with no destination wil follow. I mean all these pastors are in 4 business, they ar nt learned. So wen u av a learned sum1 among u who cn interprete up to 50% of d bible,bring up ur arguement. Until then u guys ar jst losers.

o! I see.

Jesus apostles had PHD that was the reason God made use of those fisher men abi?

Not saying that all that claim "holy spirit" has erm.

But that does not say that one need a degrees to understand God's word either.

If the word is God's, dont you think that one will need God's help to make sense of it rather than degrees?

Christ apostles where not philosophers?

Well, that is if you do believe in the existence of God i mean.

Not that education is bad, but that is definitely not what it takes to understand God's word.

alexleo: The book is satan-inspired with the sole aim of deceiving millions of them into hell. They dont want to hear the truth but..okuko nti ike na anu ihe na ite ofe.

lol.

Well. I think it has to do with the inner person, conscience, train by the real love/fear of God from a clear/clean heart.

If the fear of God and the belief in the existence of God is true in the person then a honest inner meditation will begin deep inside.

"Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks"

Oceanals: 1.How come u biliv the devil exist when u dont biliv God exist ? 2. If u are really an atheist,u wuldnt have to think u are doing wrong. The question now is,what exactly is wrong with you ? Have u ever ask urself who makes u sleep and wake up every morning ? Smthing is making this possible,what or who do u think it is ? I need ur answer pls.

dont mind logic boy, he believes in the existence of God.

He is only angry in the way that false religion has help to cause problem in the world and aide in the backwardness and exploitation of third world countries and the likes.

If nigeria was to be as tidy as europe and Japan, you bet that the dude will not have hard any complains.

But religion as practice is a culprit.

musKeeto: Abeg, sharrap.. Which sect no dey fall Jesus hand?

the first century style of christianity did not fall Jesus hand. QED.

Meanwhile, you are also a culprit, you also celebrated this pegan thing out of ignorance all this while and want to come here and form as though you had known better.

At your home till today, can you denied that you are not still celebrating christmas?

Even now that you think you have come to know the root of christmas as being pegan, can you beat your chest that you have develop an inner will power to stop celebrating the sun god? No.

You think there is room for neutrality. Lol.

How wrong you are.

@ plaeton.

That should tell you how cunning and trickery satan is.

This should rather make one to ask himself if (s)he is indirectly being used by satan unknown to the perso

advocate666: Afraid to speak directly to me. Not surprising. Cowardice is the first quality of a soldier of christ.

lol.

Afraid!

Why should i? Over a virtual ID/character?

No no no.

Just may be Westing my time on this when i dont see much smoke.

Do you think there is?

When you call "my name" i will be there, but you have not so why should i bother?

Meanwhile, Anony served you well, i guessed you may have learned a thing or two from his reply to upgrade your limited experience.

Keep learning though

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, a better society my foot. Nothing about satanism talks about a better society. In fact satanism does not recognize good or evil.

This is from your bible:-
What part of the above quote talks about a better society?



Hypocrite!

Does your bible not say:

Why then are you so afraid of another who does the will of your master?



Says who? In fact if all your family members were satanists, I wonder what kind of family that would be where all you need to do is offend your brother once and you can be sure of vengeance instead of forgiveness.
Is this not in your bible?


I wonder what kind of family that will be where you cannot show any sign of weakness to your siblings or even your parents.
Does your bible not say:




Lol, and what is wrong with corruption?
Doesn't your bible say:

Seeing that corruption obviously gratifies the corrupt, what then is wrong with it?

You are a hypocrite. But then I don't blame you, hypocrisy and lies are allowed by your vile religion as long as they bring you pleasure.
You are evil and there is nothing good in you. You had better repent and come to the God of Love because I promise you, your master will not be merciful to you when you meet him.[/quote]lol.

You really really took that dude seriously.

But then, his hypocrisy was well served.

If the world was the way his master wrote there even him will have been dead by now

Logicboy03: And the BILLIONS of people who will never and have never heard of your religion or its teachnings nko? Hell is an appropriate punishment?

actually all the wicked that have never heard about the message that will tell them about christ will come back to life and be given an opurtunity to hear and make a personal decision.

But those that have heard and rejected it, justice is served.

This during the 1000yrs judgment day.

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have "done evil" unto the resurrection of judgement. " (John 5:28-29).

Revelation 20:4 King James Version (KJV) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the
souls of them that were beheaded for the witness
of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had
not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their
foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


d I sthe dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." (Revelation 20:12).

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Your knowledge on this seems limited.



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