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Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Not Prudent To Do Away With Doctrins That Are In Conflict With Bible ? by truthislight: 2:34pm On Jul 09, 2015

Talking about what this Catholic church that Obenedictus calls it pope's and priest saints did in the dark ages and what the Islamist are doing right now, which of the two did the worst ?

You will be surprised that Muslims are learners.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 10:46am On Jun 21, 2015

David0:
Lol if u say so.

U shud know dat d so called Law of Moses was an inspiration from God just like d Bible was written by man thru d inspiration of God.

When Jesus said He has come to fulfill d law but not to abolish it, he didn't differentiate d law. He only made it simpler, love God n love ur neighbour as ursef. With dis u hv kept d law. Cos wt love u won't do anything wrong, even wen u do u enjoy grace.

Am I still off?
Lol

Yap. love.

The two new laws that we have now is that of love of God and love of neighbor.

This two covers all other laws.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 10:45am On Jun 21, 2015*

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 12:51am On Jun 21, 2015

David0:
Does your quoting me without a comment suggest u agree wt me?

Lol. I felt your argument is not addressing the thread.
What you are saying is not what the thread meant.
The law under consideration is the law of Moses.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 8:07pm On Jun 20, 2015

David0:
I understand quite alright.
The law has always been from the creation of man.
Rmb when God told Adam "...but of that tree in the middle of the Garden, thou shall not eat, for if thou eat, thou shall surely die". Now that's a law.
When Adam and Eve eventually ate d fruit, their eyes became open n they new for d first tym dat dey were naked. And dey knew good and evil, and dey realized dey hv sinned.
Man's conscience have always judged their every activity.
When Cain killed Abel, he knew he had done evil. He ran away, his heart condemned him.

Now every organization have rules and regulations that guides her people.
The Israelite have forgotten God,dey were born in Egypt n only knows d Egyptian god. Moses led them out, but they needed a guide on how best to serve the God of their forefathers, dats why God gave them d ten commandments.
At a point they rejected d ten commandments which promote love among brethren, then God in anger commanded Moses to write his own law which is d law of ordinance ie do me I do u law.

Now when Jesus came, He simply preached love, forgiveness, grace. He sensed d pple misunderstood Him, dats y He quickly clarified dat till heaven and earth pass away the law shall not pass until it is fulfilled.

Now the question is when is the law fulfilled?
Simple, when a man dies, he faces judgement. He will be judged by the same law. If found guilty, he shall b condemn for eternity n vise versa. At dis point the law has been fulfilled.

If ur a Christian, u ll understand all I've written even without bible quotations. Dnt hv tym to start digging now. But if need b I ll do dat later to back dis up.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 8:06pm On Jun 20, 2015

As long as you are not saying that Christians are to keep the law of moses to be save. v

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 8:04pm On Jun 20, 2015

Yeah! worever!

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 7:15pm On Jun 20, 2015

David0:
The Law is not abolished, but it's written in our heart. That's why wen u break one of them, ur heart condemns u immediately. U are judged instantly and u realize u have sinned. This is what happens to every man no matter how hard u may be. The law itself is ur ability to tell good from bad, love from hate, like from dislike etc.
The law is inside of u, it's never abolished.

Yeah! that means the gentiles have the law all along and the Jews, Abraham had the "law" before moses.

I Dont really think you quite get what and on the context we are discussing.

The bible says the law was given to moses from God. that does not mean humans had no conscience before then.

Even the new law of God that is to be written in the heart of men is different from the law of moses.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 7:01pm On Jun 20, 2015

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 6:46pm On Jun 20, 2015

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 6:45pm On Jun 20, 2015

Princewell2012:
If i gets you right, did you say the laws have been abolish even the ten commandment? thats must be ridiculous.
The first commandment; am the lord your God you must not worship other gods apart from me. And the number 5 of it says thou shall not kill followed by thou shall not comit adultery. so you are saying that all this laws are irrelevant? pls read ur bible again.

I Hope you have seen what the scriptures says on the ten commandment being abolished ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 6:25pm On Jun 20, 2015*

Number 3 Example showing the ten commandment was also abolished:

Also, again, read with patience.

Romans 3:7-11

"Now if the code that administers death and that was engraved in letters on stones came with such glory that the sons of Israel could not gaze at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, a glory that was to be done away with, 8 why should the administering of the spirit not be with even greater glory? 9 For if the code administering condemnation was glorious, o how much more glorious would be the administering of righteousness! 10 In fact, even what had once been made glorious has been stripped of glory because of the glory that excels it. 11 For if what was to be done away with was brought in with glory, how much greater would be the glory of what remains!"

Please, take note of the above references.

What came in layers of stones or tablet of stones ?

Which glory is there talking about ?

what happened then ?

Does the above scripture has anything to do with the ten commandment being abolished ?

Was the ten commandments not given in tablets of stones ?

Well then, let the word of God answer:

Exodus 34:1. 28-30

1."Then Jehovah said to Moses: “Carve out for yourself two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that appeared on the first tablets,b which you shattered".

28-30:

"And he remained there with Jehovah 40 days and 40 nights. He ate no bread and drank no water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
29 Moses then came down from Mount Siʹnai, and the two tablets of the Testimony were in his hand, When he came down from the mountain, Moses did not know that the skin of his face was emitting rays because he had been speaking with God. 30 When Aaron and all the Israelites saw Moses, they noticed that the skin of his face emitted rays and they were afraid to go near him".

So, from the above scripture, it is clearly evident that the commandment that apostle Paul said has been done away with is the ten commandment.

Clearly, the scriptures shows the law has been abolished and that we are not under law, including the ten commandments.

However, Followers of Christ are to love Yahweh and their Neighbors> keep the law of the Christ. Two of those. in those two, the whole laws stands fulfilled.

Peace.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 5:54pm On Jun 20, 2015*

Example 2. showing that the Ten commandment has been abolished inclusive:

Please, read the below scriptures carefully.

Romans 7:6,7

But now we have been released from the Law, because we have died to that which restrained us, in order that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit and not in the old sense by the written code.
7 What, then, are we to say? Is the Law sin? Certainly not! Really, I would not have come to know sin had it not been for the Law. For example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: “You must not covet".

please, still cool down a while.

did you notice Apostle Paul argument for the usefulness of the law that we have been set free from ?

He said: "I would not have come to know covetousness if not for the law".

So, according to Paul, the ten commandment was not a sin since the law taught him what covetousness was.

Now, from his comment, we can deduce which laws he was referring to. was it the ten commandment that he was talking about that we have been released from ? certainly yes. because, his example of the goodness of this law that we have been released from is one of the ten commandment, since the law, "thou shall not covet" is the number ten of the ten commandment.

Hence, the ten commandment is affected.

So, he said that this law that we have been released from includes the ten commandment since he used it as an example of the law we have been freed from.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 5:05pm On Jun 20, 2015*

Princewell2012:
If i gets you right, did you say the laws have been abolish even the ten commandment? thats must be ridiculous.
The first commandment; am the lord your God you must not worship other gods apart from me. And the number 5 of it says thou shall not kill followed by thou shall not comit adultery. so you are saying that all this laws are irrelevant? pls read ur bible again.

The law has been abolished, including the ten commandment.
Jesus said so, Apostle Paul said so.

All the laws hanged on the love of God and love of Neighbor.

let's start with this:

Matt 22:37-40.

He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovaha your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’s 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets".

John 13:34,35

I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you,e you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves„.

So, if Christ gave his followers a new commandment that all the laws hanged, it tells a lot what happend to the laws that hanged on this current two.

I will give more evidence as time permits me.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Not Prudent To Do Away With Doctrins That Are In Conflict With Bible ? by truthislight: 4:24pm On Jun 20, 2015

sonmvayina:
for a good reason too..how many denominstions are in nigeria? You can not even count..and they are all using the same literature textbook..so whose interpretation is the best?..

Not a good reason to attack the bible.

The battle is God's not man's.

Taking up God's duty always leads to destruction by God.

Remember the fellow that attempted to stabilized the Ark of the covenant when it wanted to fall. He was kill. It was not his responsibility to touch/carry the Ark. solely the job of the Livites.

Fighting God's battle when he had said the Angels will do the reaping is presumptuousness.

God had said the wheat and the weed should grow together. QED.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Not Prudent To Do Away With Doctrins That Are In Conflict With Bible ? by truthislight: 4:23pm On Jun 20, 2015

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Not Prudent To Do Away With Doctrins That Are In Conflict With Bible ? by truthislight: 10:57pm On Jun 19, 2015

When I say the apostle of Christ wrote what was published as the bible, I expect Obenedictus to know what I mean > NT.

NT teaching that is.

I said "teaching" less you run to history of NT.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Not Prudent To Do Away With Doctrins That Are In Conflict With Bible ? by truthislight: 10:53pm On Jun 19, 2015

sonmvayina:
you have to understand that the church existed first..and these manuscripts where all scartered accross the roman empire..and more over, of the 13 pauline epistles that we have now, only 7 are authentic, the rest are forgeries..they practiced their religion without the bible as we have it today..it was to curb disunity that they decided to collect the manuscript which was more than 500..so by popular vote they decided which should be in the canon and which shoulod not...

Na so. story for the gods.

RCC story. It must destroy the bible for it to remain relevant and in control.

After preventing it from circulation for 1000yrs that is.. In a dead Latin language that was. They will never stop or let go of destroying the bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Destroy The Law Or Not? by truthislight: 12:07am On Jun 18, 2015

THE LAWS, ALL HAVE BEEN ABOLISHED. INCLUDING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
STUDY THE BIBLE. THE BIBLE SAYS SO.

Christianity Etc › Re: Hanging Out With Goshen360 by truthislight: 10:25pm On Jun 17, 2015

Goshen360:
Hi friends & brethren,

There will be an opportunity for us to meet outside of this forum and discuss issues that bothers in our society and in the body of Christ. This has been in my mind for some time and I believe the opportunity has now come.

When: July 4th, 2015

Where: venue will be one of the resorts\relaxation centres in my hometown, Badagry, Lagos, Nigeria. I will update the exact venue and address when I conclude the arrangement.

Time: 12 noon - 6pm

Registration: Anyone interested will only need to signify or register their interest here so I can know how many people are participating, for adequate preparation. Please note, invitation is open until 30th of this month, July and closes at 12pm.

***@ moderator(s), please, kindly allow this thread here because most of my friends are from this section, plus I'm mostly active here***

Thank you and God bless.

Hmmmmm!

The man from 'Goshen'.

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