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BERNIMOORE: watching immanuel TV, before the building collapse you will see those wheeled to the prophet on wheelchair, and when he touches them they either stand to jump up or some would even fall outrightly and claim to be healed! no problem with that! but then

unfortunately one would think that if these wheelchairs are not enough, SCOAN would have requested more from the LASG, so that over 130 injured at the church site would file out on their respective wheelchairs towards the great prophet, and will be jumping up and shoutinhalleluyah-immanuel, but nothing like that!

does it mean that all those over 100+ have no single faith? or do not deserve healing?

This is a prophet that will tell his members not to take drugs, but now majority of the injured are on Drip and oxygen fixed on some noses!

pls NL members educate me on why these SCOAN church members injured was allowed by the prophet to still be in the hospital and some have been evacuated to south africa for further treatment on sickbed with oxygen fixed on some, isn t this not the best time to prove how authentic his miracle was?

comments pls

Honestly, this is sport on! those people deserve to be miraculously healed

This is injustice!
If those people are not sent to his church to be healed.

Is God heartless ?

Or, was it not the true God that we are talking about here ?

It is a different thing if this man's God has not been into healling all along, infact, it was healling that took them all to that church, hence it is a gross injustice if the sick atleast are not healed, not to talk of the dead.

Smh.

This is absolute nonsense!

PastorOluT: I wonder how one would just read a place from the scripture n make a doctrine out of it? @op what does verse 21 says? he wonders not knowing! And chapter 12:7 says it all that the spirit returns to God, meaning the spirit lives on./]

According to you, the spirit, pneuma, breath that God put into Adam/man "continues to live" right ?

So, from your belief, it then means that befor God created Adam, befor God put the "breath of life" into Adam's nostrial, he was alive somewhere, right ?

Adam did not start living first in the garden as mentioned in Genesis ?
Your answer please.

PastorOluT: Or what do u think happens when the spirit returns to God ?

i think, learning from Adam, one starts living when the breath/spirit comes into a person and he stops living when the breath goes out.

The above is what the bible says. See below:

"His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." (Psalm 146:4).

"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." (Genesis 3:19).

PastorOluT: Humans are created spirit soul n body, n not body+spirit=soul, I believe u have Genesis 2:7 in ur bible?

why are you being deceptive ?
Does Genesis 2:7 say what you wrote above there ^ ?

Read below:

"And the LORD God formed man of the [color=red] dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7).
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From the above ^, it is breath + dust = soul.

Now, Mr man, whatever that propels you, sends you to lie, your effort to twist the scripture above is very fraudulent, i encourage you to desist from such, some of us have Zero tolorance for lies.

PastorOluT: The spirit is who we really are n what we use in contacting the spiritual realm,

We are motals.
we only have the spirit of God keeping us alive.

I dont know where you got the statement "we are spirit", if we are spirits, what then are the Angels ? Smh.

PastorOluT: while the soul is what we use in contacting the intellectual realm,

that is not what the Bible says, you have just stated what pegans and all ancient philosophy say about ancestor worship, but that is not what Yahweh taught the Jews, i dont know what it is you follow, the God of the Jews - christian or it is anciant traditional religion.

If we are humble people, we will limit ourself to what the bible says. Pls, state what the bible says and not what philosophy has taught you.

PastorOluT: and the body is just a vessel or container which is what we use in contacting the physical realm.

Error!

The bible say we are Souls = physical person.

animals are souls, fishes are souls, birds are souls.

All souls dies.

Adam was taken from the dust and he returned to the dust when he died.

Befor Adam was taken from the Dust, where was he ? No where!

So, when he returned to the dust, he goes no where.

The spirit (pneuma) that goes back belongs to God, it is not a person. It is what that keeps man, fish, birds alive.

Lets limit ourselves to what the bible says.

Peace.

Joagbaje: I dont get your point here, are you saying that after death there is no more life?. The bible teaches when a man dies he goes to hell

Luke 16:23
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

You got this wrong.
The same Jesus that gave this parable in Luke also made use of this fire and torment in Revelation to show what he ment.

It is not a literal fire and torment. No ?

DeepSight: Man is already immortal.

BIG FAT LIE!

"You certainly will not die" the serpent said to Eve.
(Gensis3:4)

Yeah! The above was what the serpent made her to belief befor she rebelled against her creator.

You and your lot have bought the old lie from the master deceiver himself.

Hence you ..................

Keep letting your mind to be deceived like she was.

He is playing tricks with your minds.

He is a grand master of the art.

Emusan: Can't stop laughing.....

What have you done with those ones I've opened before?

Like I said it's not you nor anyone will challenge me to open a thread, if you're not okay with that I'm sorry you will wait long. I will do it when I want to.

Mr man, pick a bible topic, state your stand and refute them using the.bible.

I dare you to do that in this public forum let all see.

I dare you to do it if you are a man having two testicles.

Emusan: I don't need to open a thread because I'm not a baby on NL so you can check my username and see some of my threads about their lies.
Anytime I feel like I will create a thread about them if you like comment or dodge your head.


Shalom!

You DIRTY lying hypocrite!

Who told you you dont have to open a thread to prove your points if they are the truth ?

Dont you know how to quote bible again ?

Is your lying tongue afraid to defend your points ?

There is no difference between you and that thing that you are supporting, you are both dirty and deceitful.

Go ahead and open the Dam thread and use the bible to prove the so call "lies" you talked about.

May that your "holy ghost" help you in your endeavour fellows.

Smh.

AlfaSelltzer: BabaGnoni... you should do well and avoid me.

Sharrap! Lol.

e dey pain you ?

Image123: Jesus is under the Melchisedek type priesthood. He is present when you tithe, i wonder how you came up with the terms and conditions though.
Did i ever feign ignorance to the purposeS of the tithe? Those that tithe agree to, good to see you say that there is nothing wrong. A tenth is a tithe.

"And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:" (Hebrews 7:5).

"And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth." (Hebrews 7:8 ).

"Men that dies" no longer receive tithes now with the new high priest.

If you or your GO ever eat of tithes now, you are all will be answereable to the new high priest.

It does not matter whatever you claim.

"Men that dies" no longer receive tithes.

Simple!

The tithe of the OT was said to be given to God, but the bible said it was the livites that collected it, let it be that Your GO is not the one collecting tithe today and claims to collect it for God, like the Livite that collected for God, the Bible still refer to it that it is "Men that dies".

And men that dies only collect then/there/the livites Era. Hence, here/now, with christ as the new high priest, "men that dies" no longer receive tithes.

Be it for God like the livites or for themselves. Whichever way you look at it, "men that dies" no longer receive tithes.

Your cup of tea if you and your GO are not men that dies like the Livites..

You all are really "On Your Own". > OYO

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According to the flesh, Jesus was a man, not half man.

That Yahweh blew into The nostrial of Adam the breath of life = his spirit, it did not prevent Adam from being a man.

I dont know what you mean from "half man and half god".

Take it to those that teach that and dont blame the bible for such.

Peace.

ayoku777: Its so hard trying to defend error out of ego.

What do you mean by the above ?

ayoku777: The question is intelligent, and I will answer by simply letting the bible say what it said and not project personal sentiments to it.

If God calls the Messiah "the seed of the woman", then that means his flesh and blood was from the woman.

But I also believe Jesus, the word of God is a SPIRIT, like the Father. Just like everyone one of us have our human spirits from God; and our flesh and blood from our parents.

And about Jesus having a body that could sin coz of getting His flesh and blood from the woman, I partly agree, and this scripture readily comes to mind:

Romans 8v3 -For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh; God sending HIS OWN SON IN THE LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.

Personally, I don't think someone that CANNOT SIN can go through temptation -and Jesus was tempted. I believe Jesus DID NOT SIN not COULD NOT SIN

That's why when you asked why Jesus had to come through a virgin birth, I didn't say so that He would not have a sinful flesh; because that reason is speculative and subjective in the light of the above scripture.

I simply said its because that's how God, in the first messianic prophecy of the bible, said He would come. The WHY is inconclusive to the best of my knowledge; and I don't like to go beyond what is written.

God bless.

Where did you get "cannot sin" from ?

We said inherited sin.

Does inherited sin means cannot sin ?

Smh for you.

truthislight: Hear what Jesus himself had to say concerning David:


"And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple:
How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David ?
"For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool for your feet".
David therefore himself calleth him Lord(Jesus); how then is he then his son?
And the common people heard him gladly." (Mark 12:35-37).

Jesus had a different Idea about being called the son of David.

It is only a thing of the Messaiah coming through the line of David, and not Necessarily being the 'son' of David. So i see it.

He is of the opinion that he is greater than David.

Read that ^ again, if Jesus was a direct blood of david as you claim, and not just the lineage of David, how then can Jesus be greater than David ?

Please, limit yourself to what the bible said and teach.

Peace.

frosbel: ^^^

First of all truthislight , I am grateful that you took the time to help with these questions.

Before I continue, it is important that I establish that my faith is Jesus Christ is unshakeable and even stronger than ever, however it is equally important that we remove myth from fact and fable from reality.

Can I kindly suggest that you answer the other 2 questions when you have some time.

In response to your answer to my question 3, here are a few problems with your explanation :

1. If he was from a WOMAN, where did the seed come from ?
2. If the seed was direct from God then how could he have been a direct descendant according to flesh and blood.
3. How could he have avoided the sin nature since his mother was also a sinner. ( I believe Jesus was sinless because he chose not to sin not because he was born sinless ).

Thank you again.

I dont know what you are talking about.

When you start attacking the bible with your own formulated concept, I am afraid, l cant do anything about that.

Check the red above and educate me the scripture you got that from.

Hence, if you wish to ask me a question, post the passage you are referencing.

Peace.

Your nos 3 question, about the apostles not talking about it ?

I did addressed it in my reply to your OP.

The apostles talked about it, but it may not have been an issue in contention.

Again, they had a greater commission about his death and resurrection.

About Two apostle talked and wrote on it.

Even Paul acknowledge that he was from a woman and not a man thing as someone on this thread earlier posted.

See what paul said:

"But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law," (Galatians 4:4).
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I dont think all the apostles must speak on a topic befor it should be accepted as truth though.

frosbel: Yes I agree but some Scholars think this also refers to Jesus through the strange concept of dual prophecy !

http://www.bible.ca/ef/expository-2-samuel-7-12-16.htm

Besides you are yet to answer my 3 questions.

Can you repost it ?

Jesus had a different Idea about being called the son of David.

It is only a thing of the Messaiah coming through the line of David, and not Necessarily being the 'son' of David. So i see it.

He is of the opinion that he is greater than David.

truthislight: Hear what Jesus himself had to say concerning David:


"And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple:
How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David ?
"For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool for your feet".
David therefore himself calleth him Lord(Jesus); how then is he then his son?
And the common people heard him gladly." (Mark 12:35-37).

Hear what Jesus himself had to say concerning David:


"And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple:
How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David ?
"For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool for your feet".
David therefore himself calleth him(Jesus) Lord; how then is he then his son?
And the common people heard him gladly." (Mark 12:35-37).

frosbel: Guys consider this :

2 Samuel 7:12-16New International Version (NIV)

12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[a]; your throne will be established forever.’”

That ^ was refering to solomon.

However, Jesus is the greater solomon.

Dont direct that to Jesus, i dont exactly know what you have in mind by posting that .

Goshen360: Plus, recently, I also began to slow down and RE STUDY the bible, checking everything i was ever taught as a young christian and checking word meanings in context. Also, since the new testament fulfilled the old, i use the new to interpret d old, giving the old proper light and understanding. This is what I expect or believe Christians should be doing, rightly dividing the word, not just mixture and mixed bags teachings that's not supposed to be in the church today.

Good!

The bible says only the truth can set one free.

Goshen360: See as 3 of us answered frosbel same thing. I see frosbel getting in trouble with this thread. ....

Frosbel will not get into trouble if he respects the bible.

Goshen360: Because the seed of man, first Adam is corrupted. If Joseph has contributed, human race is still in a mess just like first Adam. Christ was called 2nd Adam, not because he was produced by first Adam or carry the corruptible nature but because he came to UNDO what was done by the first Adam.

If only he will allow the consistency of the bible to influence him and not his personal Dogma.

frosbel: ^^^^

Okay , let me ask you a simpler question :

Why did Jesus have to come from a virgin birth ?

Because Jesus had to come without inheriting the sin of Adam.

frosbel: How did the fallen angels produce children with the daughters of men ?

Also I can sense that wicked religious spirit rising within you to start abuse and insults. I only asked a valid question.

Year in year out you keep repeating the same topic not really making progress and at the same time, anybody that seriously wish you answer his questions, you accussed of any spirit you imagined, well, sorry!

Say whatever you like, it is your mouth.

You have the liberty to say anything you like i will never accused you of a religious whatever..... Am not that sort.

All i dare you to do is answer simple biblical question and lets test your source of imformation if it originate from God, but you keep dodging.

If your brain tells you that for God the creator of all things to be able to put a baby inside of marry he must have sex with her, good for you, my own yahweh is not limited by the simple act of causing an embryo to grow in mary.

Your head that knows all things cannot know that the Holy spirit that will come upon mary is the power of God that God uses to do all things, meaning that God will used his power to get her pregnant just as he used his power for every other thing he has ever done, maybe, for God to creat life, he has to have sex. Or, the putting in the womb is confusing you.

I have been here answering your questions, but your righteous spirit has been preventing you from answering simple questions, i wander which one is blind and deceptive spirit now.

You know that i know your antics, when you wish to pass along your poison as truth, you always refused to answer question, here you are again, not answering questions.

Though you got some things right, those ones you are always willing to answer questions, cos the truth does not hide.

Please, go back and answer the two simple questions i have been asking you all along.

You cant be begging for time, cause you have been answering all other questions and refusing giving answers to those two questions i asked since yesterday.

What you are passing along is what you have on your blog, you are here looking for blind convert, if not blind convert you are looking for, answer my questions that i posted from the bible.

And again, take note, it is an anoying thing to refuse answering questions while at the same time claiming to be right.

Thank you.

Peace.

Goshen360: You should have read the next verse telling you Christ response who his true father is.

Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?"

Answering to the 2nd question, Jesus told her who his real father is. He knows who his father is even at age of 12, not to talk of when grown man.

2. Philip was quoting the law just as Luke did. The context said it....according to the law of Moses.

3. We used to recognize Christ according to the flesh, but we no longer do so.

Leave Frosbel. Jesus at 12 years told his perant he was in his fathers (Yahweh's) house.

Frosbel will soon call Jesus a liar to make his point that Jesus had an earthly father.

Smh. Pls, tell him to answer my question.

Marry and Joseph must have been a fool for Jesus to have told him what he did not know.

No, he will say that part was a forgery

frosbel: Okay , lets make some inferences from your comment above :

1. God went against the laws of procreation whereby the seed which harbours the chromosome will determine Y ( male ) and instead produced this himself which means he impregnated Mary. Now that's the stuff of blasphemy !

2. God was against the supposed angels who came down and took for wives the daughters of men and yet came down himself and made a woman pregnant to give birth to a man. This is what I call contradiction gone riot.

3. Only Luke and Matthew mention this story but the oldest gospel Mark and Pauls letters which were older than the gospels never made mention of this ?





"They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths" - 2 Timothy 4:4

When you are through bathing in the mud, ring my bell.

God inpregnated himself to produce Adam and also Impregnated himself to put XY chromosomes in him. Right ?

Stop taking that Jamaican vegetable, it is not good for you.

You seems to love sex too much.

To put a child in Marry, your mind is telling you God had sex with Marry ?

Sorry for you.

Do well to Answer my questions and stop standing one place and Jumping up and down.

jayriginal: The spirit of God did.

Take it on faith.

Give me a reason why you a mater is talking and writing and eating ? Will you ?

Ok, i will take it on faith. No ?

Nonsense!

ayoku777: True that.

Also at His baptism at Jordan

Matthew 3v17 -And lo a voice from heaven saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.

Then at His transfiguration as well

Matthew 17v5 -.....THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye Him.

Thank you for those ^ additional.

So, the quesion is, if Jesus has a human father like we do, why call him the "son of God" expressly ?

Are we not then all the sons of God ?

2. What qualifies him to pay the ramsom for us.

If Frosbel dont Give answers to this and aligns it with the whole of the bible, why should i take his argument seriously Anymore on this issue ?

frosbel: I will respond to all your feedback and thank you very much.

But before I do, can you tell me who contributed the Y Chromosome which determines that a child is Male ?

Mary brought X
Who brought Y

XY - Male.

Thanks.

That ^ is childs play, i hope i had not mistakenly taken you seriousely here.

Pardon my disappointment.

But where did Yahweh got the first matter to form the Universe sef ?

Lol.

Guy, what happend to you ?

Such a material question for a suppernatural being.

Why limit your question to just "Y" chromosomes ?
Why not ask where Yahweh got the first flesh from therein contains the "XY" chromosomes ?

Lol.

it looks very unfortunate it seems ? Lol.

Maybe i should not expect anwers anyway, at this rate that is. lol.

Goshen360: 3. It is reported the "Son of God" from a per-knowledge of His resurrection. He (Christ) actually is the Son of God by the resurrection, not by birth.

New International Version
and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

New Living Translation
and he was shown to be the Son of God when he was raised from the dead by the power of the Holy Spirit. He is Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 1:4
but he is the Son of God, according to power of the Spirit of Holiness at resurrection, not at birth. What may confuse you is "Fatherhood". Father also mean originator and some more.

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Jesus is called the son of God also befor his death:

"And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." (Matthew 16:16).

@Goshen

I hope you are aware that Jesus was refered to as the "son of God" even befro his death ?

See:
"And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." (Matthew 16:16).

"And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God." (John 6:69).