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Hiswordxray:
OK let me summarize all you have said:
wages of sin is death.
Jesus paid the wages.
But everybody will have to pay this wages again.
And those who does not sin willfully will only pay a part of this wages by dying for a moment and resurrecting later.

So tell me how that teaching agrees with this verse - "Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin." (Heb 10:18).

You can't pay for sin twice that is what the Bible tells us. If God request for the payment of a sin twice then God is unjust.
Are you saying God is unjust?

Image123:
i've explained to well well before my brother. He's just a stubborn and hardened person.

christemmbassey:
bros these armed robber can do anything o, thief na thief sha. A very blessed evening to u sir, sorry we could not connect recently, i'v been very busy.

Goshen360:
I know who he is\was....

christemmbassey:
u'v never heard anything from these fraud promoters, one of them actually cald Jesus Christ a pharisee.

hisableplc:
i only see sticky fingers talking this way if u cant give a tenth how can u give half or all pls spare all this if u av a personal problem with giving keep ur hands in ur pocket n stop looking scriptures to back up stingy acts am a giver naturally so i dont even have a problem with it.
Nt sparing those who recieve to enrich themselves they should repent n desist from such but by their fruits u wil knw dem

hisableplc:
Sir am nt confused about tithing cos a 10th of my profit is nt a problem and my offering even xceeds dat somtymz as long as my heart is right on track n my motive is gud no lele am still praying to give all like the brethren did in d days of peter if u r in d wrong congregation and ur giving wrongly pray for grace n directions and if u tired of giving lock ur money up in d bank no one is begging for ur money.
It was instituted by God show me ur own scriptures were it says stop paying tithes old n new testament

gise:
Where did Jesus say pay tithe? How does tithe benefit god? Do u Christians follow the exact guidelines as set in the bible for the tithe in my opinion black people tend to blend the old with the new in the old African cults you had to bribe gods and make offer rings to priests and so called witch doctors to be blessed . So now this new thing comes along and says Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice but the black man mind no fit stan dis ting so tithe was kept to replace all the animal sacrifice and the pastor could replace the dibia and the babalawo or whatever

hisableplc:
I dont own a church am nt a clergy so if dats where u r driving at u r wrong brother....the
point u r making is dat u r trying to go contrary to d written script u feel giving is a crime huh n dats wat am trying to make u understand no one forces anybody to give even Christ never made it so but if He was against it why did He aknowledge the poor widow who gave all that she had and turned down d pharisee who gave grudgingly brother wat u have is urs if u feel giving a part will make ur account red do d needful remember it only by faith we can please Him.
I have not regretted my act of given so if dosnt work for u try sth else

hisableplc:
truthislight i would av answrd u appropiatly bt am usin mobile nt laptop i will break it down wen am on.
d levite was not tithing but giving offering willingly understand that read with insight n nt a confused mind d motive was right bt all dese gave their life 1st not money or property 1st

Piloeternity:
It is this same God who created all natural ingredient used in producing this alcohol too.

hisableplc:
Pls lets understand facts as adults concerning this issue if you feel you dont want to give no one is deeping his or her fingers in your pocket to give...i will like to ask you first have you given ur life to Christ?
|If yes then i dont think this issue is worth discussing cos if you have done that and you know the consequences of your actions as you believe, then if a scripture demands you giving a 10th or part of what you have to someone in need or the propagation of the gospel there should be no worry or concern at all....
Anyone who finds giving for God a big deal hasn't given their lives to God.
Take this for en-sample you give yourself to your spouse i mean ur whole self not the partial one we see this days, is there anything you cant give to him or her which you know you have a responsibility to take care of daily, weekly or monthly you dont find that an issue cos u r into it and mind you what you are giving to your is what you will get back in return if not even more cos i know some good ones will even add theirs and put something good on the table for you.
If No then keep ur gifts and have a relationship with Him first before you think of giving....
We emphatically teach this in our church if u dont give ur life first ur gift are not acceptable unto God so is ur choice...you cant give something insignificant if you havent give the significant...ur heart is significant any other are insgnificant
Now sometimes we really think we are doing God a favor by giving my brother we can measure what God has done for us to what we are doing for Him... it is countless and immeasurable to realistic

hisableplc:
i dont think this is worth arguing but so many needs illumination of d mind by d Spirit....
If u can give ur life to Christ what is money u cant give for him mind u know where and who you tithe to so u xpand d right kingdom.
I only see people who value their properties other than their lives and the lives of others.

Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

Acts 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Acts 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
Acts 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Acts 4:37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

chysam:
Comrade,what corrolation does the bible quotations above have with the Judaism tradition of tithing which has been fraudulently incolgated into Christianity.?.Please elaborate further and explain to us if what you just quoted is a continuation of the Malachi tithing or a new version of fund raising for the church. Interestingly a Levite is also mentioned there, could you please explain all in clear terms. We are waiting.

Reiyvinn:
Now you are reading eisegesis into the text and in a way deviating from the point raised. I love the write-up tho, really nice, but it'd have been nicer if it did nail the point.

Firstly, Jesus didn't "SOME DEAD" but "THE DEAD" (in other words, whether it is "spiritual" or "physical" [which is debatable], Jesus, according to the Bible, said that they will COME OUT of their graves)

that is to say, if NO PART of man lives OUTSIDE the body, then for spiritual resurrection to be possible, the body has to be TRANSFORMED into a "spirit." and if that is the case, the bodies of men are not meant to be in their graves since their bodies have been TRANSFORMED into spirits...... Apart from that, having a body buried in a grave and a spirit belonging to that body in heavenwould mean that a part of man DOES live OUTSIDE the body.

Ubenedictus:
soory...
Of What importance are these questions?

frosbel:
bible intentional translation error , it should be :

Truly, I say to you today , you will be with me in Paradise.

Notice the coma after the today and not before.

Like I keep saying , people who sought control in the church have tried to alter the bible to suit their doctrines, it is no longer working.

The MAN is dead but Jesus will receive him when he comes to establish the final kingdom here on earth ( Paradise ).

frosbel:
How can this be ?

- If they died will their spirits not go up to Jesus , why will he come for them a second time ?
- Also they died at different times, did Jesus come for them individually or collectively

Reiyvinn:
@JMAN05 and truthislight I'm so sorry I've been away for quite a long time. Just saw the Mentions today.

It seems you guys misunderstood my point a bit but I'm quite happy you guy got it far better than the others who have been distorting what I actually meant. I'll be typing out a detailed response to that.

truthislight:
John 5:20:

For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed.

Even a blind man can see that ^ and know what it means.

Reiyvinn:
*Sigh* You're not getting the point, are you?

I didn't say THERE IS NO second resurrection. What I said was that in John 5:25-29, Jesus was referring to resurrection IN GENERAL, not first or second. That is: whether first or second, they will COME OUT of their graves when they hear Jesus' voice.



Whether they were wrong or not is what we are deciding here.

If I dig up those tombs, will I find decay?

If no, then they must have been transformed into spirit beings and taken into heaven.

If yes, then either they never resurrected at all or their spirit left the body there in the grave. . . Either ways, they're wrong.

And if they're wrong, how then can this statement be justified:

". . . Jehovah's Organization, alone, in all the earth is directed by God's spirit or active force." (Watchtower July 1, 1978. Page 402)

Reiyvinn:
Now you are reading eisegesis into the text and in a way deviating from the point raised. I love the write-up tho, really nice, but it'd have been nicer if it did nail the point.

Firstly, Jesus didn't "SOME DEAD" but "THE DEAD" (in other words, whether it is "spiritual" or "physical" [which is debatable], Jesus, according to the Bible, said that they will COME OUT of their graves)

that is to say, if NO PART of man lives OUTSIDE the body, then for spiritual resurrection to be possible, the body has to be TRANSFORMED into a "spirit." and if that is the case, the bodies of men are not meant to be in their graves since their bodies have been TRANSFORMED into spirits...... Apart from that, having a body buried in a grave and a spirit belonging to that body in heavenwould mean that a part of man DOES live OUTSIDE the body.

haffaze777:
By Femi Aribisala
The word “Trinity” can be found nowhere in the
Bible. It is completely incongruous with scriptural
understanding of God. God is not three persons. There
is only one God and it is the Father. Jesus says:
“salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22). Salvation is
neither of the Romans nor of the Italians. The Trinity is
an unscriptural concept, smuggled into Christendom
under Roman Constantine by cloak-and-dagger means.
Precepts of men
Jesus says to God: “Your word is truth.” (John
17:17). But the doctrine of the Trinity is a lie. Here is
the lie: “There are three that bear witness in heaven:
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these
three are one.” (I John 5:7).
This so-called scripture is counterfeit. It is non-existent
in the original versions of the Bible. It was smuggled
into the Bible by Trinitari-ans. Today, you will only
find it in the King James editions. The very fact that
Trinitarians found it necessary to smuggle I John 5:7
into the Bible in order to validate the doctrine of the
Trinity shows conclusively that the doctrine is fake.
The cardinal principle of God is simple and
straightforward. Here it is in a nutshell: “Hear, O
Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.” (Deuteronomy
6:4). This is validated by Jesus himself. (Mark 12:29).
Therefore, hear O Christians, the Lord our God is not a
Trinity. The Lord our God is one. Jesus berated the
Pharisees for teaching as doctrines the precepts of
men. (Matt-hew 15:9). Many churches have fallen into
the same error with the Trinity fallacy.
Family of God
John says: “No man has seen God at any time.” (John
1:18). But men have seen Jesus. Therefore, the
expression “God” refers exclusively to God the
Father. Jesus never refers to himself as God; he reserves
that terminology solely for the Father. When someone
called him “Good Teacher,” Jesus replied: “Why do you
call Me good? No one is good but One, that is,
God.” (Matthew 19: 17).
Jesus never says God is a Trinity. Instead, he reveals
God is a family. The head of this family is the
Father. God’s household include Jesus; God’s sons and
servants; and angels. That is more than a trinity. The
man-made concept of the Trinity makes God an
exclusive triumvirate, limited to “the Godhead. ”
However, the Christ-revealed portrait of God makes
God an inclusive and growing family, open to all
believers. Jesus said to God: “I will declare your name
to my brothers.” (Psalm 22: 22). Jesus is: “the firstborn
among many brothers.” (Romans 8:29). Believers are
the brothers of Jesus. But we are not the brothers of
God. God is our Father.
Sons of God
Jesus only claims to be “the only begotten Son of
God.” (John 3:18). Indeed, he drew a distinction
between God and himself. He said to God: “This is
eternal life, that they may know You, THE ONLY TRUE
GOD, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John
17:3). When they accused him of blasphemy saying:
“You, being a man, make yourself God,” Jesus replied:
“I said, ‘I am the Son of God.’” (John 10:36).
When Peter said to Jesus: “You are the Christ, the Son
of the living God,” Jesus confirmed this was a God-
given revelation. He replied: “Blessed are you, Simon
Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to
you, but My Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew
16:15-17).
This divine affirmation was repeated during Jesus’
baptism (Matthew 3:17); and on the Mount of
Transfiguration. (Matthew 17:5). There can be no
higher validation than these. John says: “If we receive
the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for
this is the witness of God which He has testified of His
Son.” (I John 5:9). Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the
living God.
Jesus existed “before the foundation of the
world.” (John 17:24). Then he became a man. (John
1:14). But God does not change. (Malachi 3:6). Jesus is
a man. (John 8:40). But God is not a man (Numbers
23:19). Jesus died. But God cannot die. Jesus died but
God raised him from the dead.
Jesus calls himself “the beginning of the creation of
God.” (Revelation 3:14). God confirms this, declaring to
Jesus: “You are My Son, today I have begotten
You.” (Psalm 2:7). But the Father himself is not
begotten. He has no beginning but is from
everlasting. The psalmist declares: “Even from
everlasting to everlasting, You are God.” (Psalm 90:2).
Jesus has a Father. But God has no Father. Jesus has a
God. But there is no other God but God. Jesus says to
Mary: “I am ascending to My Father and your Father,
and to My God and your God.” (John 20:17). However,
it should be understood that the son of a lion is a
lion. Therefore, Jesus, the son of God is a God. God the
Father calls Jesus God, confirming his divinity.
He says to Jesus: “Your throne, O God, is forever and
ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your
kingdom. You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil
of gladness more than Your companions.” (Psalm
45:6-7).
Jesus explained to the Jews that in the scriptures:
“(God) called them gods, to whom the word of God
came.” (John 10:35). Indeed, God calls his sons
gods. He says: “You are gods, and all of you are
children of the Most High. But you shall die like
men,” (Psalm 82:6-7).
He also says to his servant, Moses: “I have made thee a
god to Pharaoh.” (Exodus 7: 1). Moses himself declares
to the Israelites: “The LORD your God is God of gods
and Lord of lords.” (Deuteronomy 10:17). Paul
summarises it thus: “Even if there are so-called gods,
whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods
and many lords), yet for us there is one God, the
Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and
one Lord Jesus Christ.” (I Corinthians 8:5-6).
In short, God is not Father, Son and Holy Ghost. There
is only one God and it is the Father. There is only one
Lord and it is Jesus. As a man cannot be differentiated
from his spirit, so God cannot be differentiated from his
spirit. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God.
God has no equals
The word “Christ” is not Jesus’ surname. It means “the
Anointed One.” But the anointed must be subordinate
to the anointer. Nowhere in the scriptures is it ever said
or implied that God is anointed. However, Luke says:
“God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit
and with power.” (Acts 10: 38).
The Jews accused Jesus of making himself equal with
God. (John 5:18). But Jesus never makes such claims.
Instead he says: “My Father is greater than I.” (John
14:28). Jesus submitted totally to God. At Gethsemane,
he said to him: “Not My will, but Yours, be do-
ne.” (Luke 22:42).
At-one-ment with God
Nevertheless, Jesus declares: “I and My Father are
one.” (John 10:30). However, the sense in which he
makes this declaration is qualified. Jesus only does the
will of the Father. (John 6:38). He only speaks the
words of the Father. (John 14: 10). The works he does
are the works of the Father.
That is the true atonement, ensuring that he who sees
Jesus sees the Father. (John 14:9). Jesus prescribes the
same atonement for us. He says to God: “I gave them
the same glory you gave me, so that they may be one,
just as you and I are one: I in them and you in me, so
that they may be completely one.” (John 17:22-23).

NIGERIALOLoCOM:
On a serious note, if Christ would sanction 'saving life' on a Sabbath mooday even when it contradited the Sabbath day regulations, why would mortal man prevent the saving of live via blood transfusion?

BERNIMOORE: Oh i missed this comment, na so them go just confuse theirself say them they confuse person, since them born you, you don hear of 'strange aircraft'?

BERNIMOORE: @Truthislight

pls clarify this accusation by paulgrundy who was formerly known as yooguyz


he alledged that you are the same bernimoore(myself) that you use my ID or i use your ID, read the last post on this link
https://www.nairaland.com/1921424/where-those-wheelchairs-used-healing/0

pls clarify

have we ever met before? take this into consideration;



@paulGrundy you are just 4 days old on nairaland today 28th sept 2014

paulGrundy Gender: (m)

Time registered: September 24, 2014

Time registered: September 24, 2014
Time spent online: 10 hours & 13 minutes
https://www.nairaland.com/paulgrundy

your last post was 7:46am On Sep 14 (before today 28th) using 'then' using your moniker yooguyz

you wrongly alledge that i use the moniker truthislight, without evidence, because i rightly expose you as yooguyz, yes you are the same yooguyz who was a homosexual pastor and when you cannot cope with the humiliation of your dirty past you were advised on 13th sept.2014 to change your moniker,

https://www.nairaland.com/1892195/truth-behind-christ-embassy-healing/13#26264055

on the same thread above, your last post up till now was 7:46am On Sep 14 using 'then' your moniker yooguyz and you were ban as we can see 'your next post was hidden and empty as you were trying to break NL rules as an unlawful person https://www.nairaland.com/yooguyz/posts

duration of the ban may have been lifted but, the fact remains that you are troubled with your moniker 'yooguyz'

hence you yielded to jared007 request that it is better to cover your shame and change your moniker from yooguyz to paul grundy!

now show your own evidence that i use truthislight as my moniker, and what i have to gain or lose from that

then wait your your next mess, enjoy it


hence you rightly change it to paulgrundy

a 4 days old on NL you refer to bidam and Emusan as 'your witness' even when in all your posts on your profile you never engage bidam and Emusan