₦airaland Forum

Nimshi: No, the issue is not that the Jehovah's Witnesses have individuals who r.ape children

The issues are more important that that, and some of the issues with this are:

1) because you want to protect the name of your god Jehovah, you protect the child r.apists (see: www.silentlambs.org)

2) you don't inform parents in a congregation when a chid rapist joins the congregation, even when you have the record of the r.apist

3) you allow these child r.apists to go to people's houses to preach your bad news of the kingdom

4) you hire expensive lawyers to make trouble for your members who have been r.aped by your elders & ministerial servants

5) you value the name of your religion more than the safety of defenceless children

6) when a child reports that s/he has been r.aped, you require two witnesses to the crime (not much different than the Taliban) to believe it

And, you people lie:

7) In your congregations, you have a hierarchy: Presiding Overseer (PO), Body of Elders, Ministerial Servants; the PO is the main responsible

8') You teach that all Christians who are not Jehovah's Witnesses are unbelievers (even your Watchtower of 01 July 2012, pg 29 confirms this)

9) In advanced nations, your reputation as protectors of child r.apists is now fairly well-known; in Nigeria and other 'third world' countries, there isn't much information. Your religion continues to prey on the innocent and defenceless

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When are you people going to answer the simple doctrinal question on Sodom & Gomorrah? Will those people be ressurrected or not?

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chukwudi44: The bible by definition is a collection of canonised scriptures.it implies that the bible never existed until the fourth century by the catholic church.the term bible and scriptures do not mean the same

Pastor AIO: Okay, as long as you agree with me that the Church preceded the bible and that the bible was canonized by the Church.

BARRISTERS: @Ubenedictus
and if you dont accept defeat here in the sense that what you wrote below were mere formulations;

can you quote a bible verse to back it that ''unless his humanity is informed by his divinity''.

Avicenna: JAMB dey giv A1 nw? I see.
Shey we dey make mouth ni abi?
Well I scored A1* in molecular biology, JAMB UME, in JSS1, full 6years before my cambridge A-levels

wiegraf: And I'd just like to add, despite the fact that many don't like to hear it, evolution has no purpose. It isn't purposely looking to make you the perfect organism. This is more or else chance. So even if a human lifespan where somehow flawed, it would just mean we haven't been lucky with getting optimal genes. And indeed, we haven't in many ways. The human design isn't exactly flawless you know?

Pastor AIO: Apparently you did not understand the write up.

chukwudi44: @ enigma

Can u please explain the logic behind an apostle resorting to using pagan practices to justify christian teachings

Pastor AIO: Sending letters where? To churches?

Well have you got any examples of apostles sending letters to non-churches with the purpose of 'spreading the word'.

Like I said, First came the Church and Then came the writings.

Pastor AIO: None of this makes any sense. I don't even know what you're trying to say, or if you are actually addressing anything that I've said. The Apostles spread christianity orally. NT came later. The apostles and their converts formed a body known as the church.

I'm arguing against some upstarts using the bible to attack the body formed by the apostles and their converts, the church.

tobechi74: the catholic church compild d bible .years b4 ur general overseer was born. They translatd d various writing on d scrols into difrent languages.

Pastor AIO: None of this makes any sense. I don't even know what you're trying to say, or if you are actually addressing anything that I've said. The Apostles spread christianity orally. NT came later. The apostles and their converts formed a body known as the church.

I'm arguing against some upstarts using the bible to attack the body formed by the apostles and their converts, the church.

chukwudi44: Purgatory is mentioned as prison in the verse below
1 Peter 3:19-21 (King James Version) - Bible Gateway

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime
were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days.

The spirits of those who ignored noah were kept in prison pending the death of jesus

Pastor AIO: So is the word spoken of in thessalonians the bible?

Omo Alata: God will so alter and change the state of His church, that it will seem to dwell in a new world.

Pastor AIO: Nope, I'm not a catholic.

You make an excellent point about the bible making references to other books outside of the bible. The Bible, like all text, lends itself to an almost infinite number of interpretations. therefore no text by itself can be Authoritative but must rely on the Authority of an interpreter. The Catholic stance is that the bible cannot be understood outside of the context of the Church and it's traditions.
In fact, as someone said earlier about Luke, many parts of the bible are just the setting down into writing of church traditions. So in fact the Church came first and then the bible followed. You cannot now use the bible to condemn the Church.

souldust: another one is the repeatition of prayers. This is contended mostly by the jehova's withnesses. As much as i do not encourage anyone rely on a laid down prayer always, i still do not think its wrong. This is becos, i found in the bible where jesus repeated his prayer. He can not go against what he does himself, can he?

Matt26:44, 'again jesus left them, went away and prayed the third time, SAYING THE SAME WORDS'

davidylan: they cant answer you. they dont know and they will avoid this thread like the plague.

davidylan: they cant answer you. they dont know and they will avoid this thread like the plague.

Maryky: Why do we need new heaven,Is the Old Heaven Corrupt,Overcrowded or what?Isa 65:17

ijawkid: So in all ur trying to prove to me that Yahweh can die(not immortal) and infact did die??

do a re-thinking bro.....it shuldnt get to this....

The trinity shuldnt take us to this level.......

Like I said and I've always said,Jesus indeed was bestowed with power from a higher source(Yahweh).......

Jesus choosing to lay down his life or take it does not prove d fact that he is BOTH fully man and GOD....

It only proved he was a free moral agent who could make his own personal decisions,not been goaded.....

Jesus chose to die for mankind in obedience to his Fathers will........

After all ,when he died,3days later it was his Father who ressurected him..........


Jesus got a reward for his obedience.....

He took his life and he got it back from the source of life Yahweh..
John 6:57

New International
Version (NIV)
57 Just as the living
Father sent me and I
live because of the
Father, so the one
who feeds on me will
live because of me.
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Jesus was rewarded with immortality in that he was never to taste death again,but annointed and elevated to a lofty position by Yahweh.....he is now sitting @ d right hand of Yahweh until all his enemies are put under his feet........

Let's also read hebrews 5:4-10 to see d results of Jesus being obedient and willing to take his life so as to gain it back...

4 And no one takes this
honor on himself, but he receives it when
called by God, just as Aaron was.
5 In the same way, Christ did not take on
himself the glory of becoming a high priest.
But God said to him,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.”[a]
6 And he says in another place,
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek. ”[b]
7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he
offered up prayers and petitions with fervent
cries and tears to the one who could save him
from death, and he was heard because of his
reverent submission. 8 Son though he was, he
learned obedience from what he suffered
9 and, once made perfect, he became the
source of eternal salvation for all who obey
him 10 and was designated by God to be high
priest in the order of Melchizedek....

Its all Yahwehs doing........

Let's re-consider the whole of john 10:17 $ 18 u quoted....

New International Version (NIV)
17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay
down my life —only to take it up again. 18 No
one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my
own accord. I have authority to lay it down and
authority to take it up again. This command I
received from my Father.”

....The Father loved Jesus for his willingness and obedience to die according to Yahwehs arrangement to save mankind......

Jesus ofcus accepted d divine will to come and die willingly .....

Meaning that though he layed down his life out of his own initiative,he was @ d same time doing his Fathers will and not his own will.........
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Hebrews 10:7 tells us that.....
New International Version (NIV)
7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about
me in the scroll —
I have come to do your will, my God.’”....


Those words found @ john 10:17 $ 18 does nt in anyway prove that Jesus is both GOD and man,it only shows how obedient Jesus was and the reward he was to attain and which he did attain........

Back to our main point::::::

The Almighty cannot and does not die and no one,I repeat no one has ever seen HIM...........


Thanks,......

truthislight: @ nimshi

You said that the JW settled people that are child abuser

lies!

unlike catholic priest that are custodian of parishes, the JW dot have such individuals in any place that stay under the control of the JW and become their liability.

The only hosting is the bathel that is highly restrictive.

All members of the JW are independent and they take care of their self and their businesses, no how a members crime will translate to be the problem of the organization.

This we all know that their organization is different from others cus they dont have pastors and priest In cathedrals.

How then can a members offence be an offence that their organization will pay for?

Bogus, BONUS, BONUS. Lies

Martian: Because he would rather have naked humans running around while he watches them. Yahweh sounds like a pervert to me.

Can't wait to see all these Christians perform their mental gymnastics while using every word they can find in the dictionary. they mange to say absolutely nothing while using words most english professors have never heard. Some even add some Latin!

frosbel: Wonderful post.

But this is not only applicable to JWs but other church cults that try to control their members through various forms of manipulation.

frosbel: JW is a cult, come out of it, be free and meet the real Jesus.

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom - 2 Corinthians 3:17