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Ihedinobi: See that bolded part? I'm curious as to where I said anything like that.



I take this to mean

- that you reject the concept of the Trinity of God

- that you believe the Father alone is God

- that Jesus is not God

- that the Holy Spirit is not even a Person at all.

This places you in the first and second categories described in my opening statement.

Now please answer the following questions for me, if you please.

- How does Jesus Christ's death on the Cross save anybody if He wasn't God?

- Since the Father alone is God and none other shares Godhood with Him, how is it that He is Love?

- Since the Father alone is God, why did He create anything at all?

- Please how do the Scriptures indicate the Holy Spirit to be anything but a Person?

mecussey: This is what keeps my faith straight. I am very sure that this God that created sex and made big nyash and breast for us, will surely know what is good for eternity.

akigbemaru: Africans when would you start thinking with the head not with the cap of /d/I/c/k/ and reclaim your spot in the comity of world discourse?
What ever white does is the best and nothing besides that is pure.
You come to this life solo and God is there is one wants us to live it yolo (you only live once) and forget about your damn eternity.

Religions were built on false pretense just to start with, there was nothing called Jesus, he was just a surreal and fairy tale creature that can only exist in utopian world.
His stories started just like Beowolf and cinderella, despite they are fictions after repeated and reedited through generations transformed to real events.
God can't not judge another, he or she knows that this world was created partially. Then since world was created on a vicious circle, the victors will always rule!

Paradoxically, the countries that revene God most are always the purest in the world. The question is, if GOD was deliberately put these countries at disadvantage?
God favors critical thinking. That's why countries in western world will always be prosper. They are not waiting on God before they eat,
before they marry, before they send kids to school.
God knows the truth, for nothing revealing to anybody his or her plans for us. If judging by current scenario, I would say heaven will boil if there is eternity, because we all have different orientations and perspectives about life and just for GOd to lump us together in heaven will do no justice.

Ishsoph: I really do not knw how to begin to help u cos ur deeply ingrained beleif has little or no root in the bible and as such ur fear is unfounded. That said, let me try to reason wit u. 1. In d begining God creatd man frm d dust of d ground nd d blew into his nostrils d breath of life nd he became a living soul(Gen. 2:7). Note that d man became a living soul nd not that a soul came to reside in him, hence the warning in Ezekiel 18:20 that a soul that sineth shall die as against d popular belief that d soul is immortal. 2. Eccl. 9:5&10 admonished that watever we can do nw that is worthwhile that we shuld do it while stil alive cos there is no form of life in the grave whr we are going. 3. When man dies he has paid 4 his sin(Rom.6:23). Its inconceivable that he shuld be raised back to life to suffer 4 d same sin. Hence the bible says he who has died has been acquited of hs sin(Rom.6:7). So there is nothing like hell fire as being propagatd today. Infacts that teaching dshonors God because it paints him as being cruel amongst other things. Again one might ask, y did d bible say that after death comes judgment? Jesus pointed out that d judgement of this world hav started(John.12:31) having com to show us the way. So whtever we are doing nw after having shown d way judges us. Its as if we ar nw in placed in judgement whl we watch as our conduct turns out we can deduce to in our mind wether we are fairing good in d judgement or not. Ther4, the judgement ends whenever we breath our last. Its just like someone that has a legal case that has been taking him to court over the yrs, he looks 4ward to having hs judgement whch is the end of court appearances. So is d judgement that follows the dead. Such judgement is witout injustice, infact its d fairest of judgement cos b4 dat time d individual shud hav knw hs stance wit God. If he is a sinner he knws, if he is a righteous person he nd his God knw. 5. Talking abt eternal life being boring, i understand ur fears. But y do u feel bad whn someone u love dies? The simple ans. is that God created in us d desire to live witout death frm d begining.(havin some trouble finding d quotation in Eccl.). We are beset wit such fear nd deep concern because we first tasted life of misery. Hav u been frustratd cos of not reaching some xpectations u set 4 urself due to ur limitation? Be assured u'll reach it nd even xceed it in God's kingdom when His wil shall be done on earth(Math. 6:9, 10). Yes mankind wil leave on earth nd not heaven wit some spirit bodies as theorised by theologians.(Psalms 37:29). Think of various acheivement of man nw even wit their imperfect mind, compare it wit much the aboundant acheivement that they'l be blessed wit in a perfect memory that wil not not be shortened by the brevity of our lives as it is 2day. My brother there many researches to engage in esp. d things that struct us wit mistry 2day whn we'll d grand privildge of unravling these by ourselves nd laugh at the folly of being kept in d dark by imperfection brought abt by sin. That same quotation am looking for also says that mankind cannot knw all that God has made from d start to d finish. U'll live forever trying to knw all these facinating things witout finish. Wht abt bad people causing us fear nd feelings of insecure? They wil be no more cos they'v paid 4 their sin wit death(Psalms:37:9, 10). In conclusion, just do ur utmost to maintain a healthy relationship God nw so that u'll enjoy all these wonderful things whn the memory of this present life wil gradually effaced and we get adjusted to the life then nd enjoy it to d fullest. If u want further clearifications, email me at mikeogele@yahoo.com.

true2god: This is a typical Jevoha's witness standard response to the issue of immotality pass down to all of them at ther kingdom halls. Its a regular respone and not new.the fact remains dat the spirit survivees death even after the body is buried (pls read concerning the death of abraham:Gen 15:15, 25:8 and Isaac: Gen 35:29 and Jacob: Gen 49:29,33 and Aaron: Num 20:24 and Moses: Num 27:13, Deut 32:50 and Josiah: 2kings 22:20. The key statement in all these verses is 'gathered unto his pple' or ancestors. And take time to read 1 samuel 28:13 to 14 on the permision God gave the for apperance of the spirit of samuel to saul to pass a message acros. Pls dis is not necromancy or divination but God permiting this occurence.. I lost someone close to me not quiet long and this person had appeared thru dreams to pass messages across. My broda the spirit surely survives after death and dats wat knw in our culture as the spirit of our ancestors.

nybol: Unfortunately u cant have dat wish.
God didnt create you to just live your life & vanish, only things like trees, animals, stones, houses etc have no souls. You do have a soul & you will exist forever.
My Advice; make haste to secure your eternity now, Jesus awaits you.

Ihedinobi: I have said elsewhere that I do not care to know anything except I have been shown that it somehow bears upon the increase of Christ in the life. I do not care for argument for its own sake, or argument intended to rip an opposing view to pieces. I argue to test ideas against all the power of reason, hopefully Holy Spirit-governed reason too by any luck. The issue I wish to present here for study and debate, as far as I can see, bears upon the Christian's development such that a misapprehension of it renders him ill disposed to the Love of Christ which is the Very Nature of God from whom the Christian is said to derive birth.

I beg that each commenter presents his arguments with respect to the categories I have listed out. Where you consider each category inadequate in accommodating your position, I beg that you define clearly what your position is and go on to establish it in the Bible.

I actually meant to join in on Frosbel's thread on the matter and in fact did with the following statement, but I felt that that argument ran too long to accommodate the approach I was bringing to it. This is why I imported my opening statement straight off my comment on that thread with very little editing to begin this new one. I look forward to your answers.

"I stand on the Bible's revelation of God as a trinity of three persons in perfect unity. I will not try to show how that concept makes sense, but I will gladly show that the Scriptures take the trinity of God for granted.

But, for those who question the deity of Jesus Christ, I ask you to please show how His Death on the Cross made any sense if He was not God Himself.

For those who insist that the trinity is absurd, and that there is no such thing, please show that the Bible says so and indicate willingness to reconcile portions in the Bible that contradict that position.

Finally, for those who think that the Trinity is One Person Who assumes three different aspects, explain how such a Person is Perfect Love, because the Bible says that God is Love. Love must, by very definition, have an object. Therefore if this Person is Perfect Love, they must have been Loving something perfectly from before there ever was a Creation. You will indicate how God as One Person is Perfect Love while loving nothing (or show what He was loving) until He created. Also explain why He created at all.

My questions are directed only at such as accept the Bible as final authority. If you do not, please ignore my questions, they are not directed at you at all."

Deep Sight: @ Area boy. . . .

The Bible may be altered, and certainly contains truth as well as falsehood and myth. However one should still try and discern deeply when looking at some of its legends. They could be symbols.

About the garden of eden which you mentioned, look deeper into the story - - - >

Could it be that the legend related in Genesis regarding the fall of man in Eden is not a reference to an event that occured in this world, but rather describes the departure of the spirit of mankind from the eternal spiritual realm into the world of matter?

This would tally with many things. A forbidden fruit would be the world of matter. Entering into it would bring about knowledge of good and evil, as presumably there is no evil in the realm from which the spirit came. Or there is just pure neutrality. Casting out man from the garden would be sending the spirit out of the spiritual realm into the world of matter. Wearing animal skins is a clear indicator of the physical bodies that man must wear to live in the physical world. Such bodies bear close resemblances to animal bodies. It is instructive that the fruit is given by the woman, since it is by women that we are born into the world of matter. On top of all that God promises that if man eats the fruit he shall die. It is certain that death is only known to man once he has entered the world of matter. Above all the reference to the Lord God strolling in the Garden and communing daily with man there on a one to one basis indicates that this was a spiritual realm where God's presence was.

Most instructively however, the TREE OF LIFE was said to reside in the garden. Crucially, it is said to be guarded by cherubs and a flaming sword after the fall of man. That says it all; it could not have been this earth. It was another realm. The ultimate realm.

jayriginal: Did I say that ?

Ihedinobi: post the link here

musKeeto: Point being?

Evil Brain: In the aftermath of the US Aurora theatre shooting, CNN's Belief blog has noted how the internet has become the de-facto church for atheists and doubters of god.

As unbelievers often have no physical place to gather, they have turned to the web as a place to share their beliefs, experiences and offer each other support. The internet's anonymity also helps those still in the closet who don't want to have to deal with family and friends who'll likely disagree with them.

The article also includes some really nice quotes from reddit's r/atheism page (one of my favourite places on the internet) from atheists talking about their lives.



This explains why atheists are so active in the religion section. Follow the link for more.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/01/where-was-god-in-aurora-comments-show-internet-as-church-for-atheists/

ijawkid: Oboy who dey disturb u?....lol....

Ihedinobi: @truthislight: If you'd like to discuss the make-up of the human being and whether or not the Bible teaches that the human being is a trinity of body, soul and spirit, please open a thread and detail your position with evidence from the Bible upholding it and I will meet you there.

I suggest that you do the same with the concept of the Trinity of God in a new thread.

I do not like to hurl arguments at people and shout them down (I have a natural tendency to do so), so I'm asking you to do this so that we can examine reasonably our positions and see what the Bible says so that we can both be corrected and encouraged. I will not discuss the issues here at all, I hope you can understand.

musKeeto: The thread is 'Why are people so afraid TO question' not 'Does GOD allow it'?

People are afraid to question Yahweh/God cos only on rare situations and after extreme persecution/trial does He show up to give answers, yes, very similar to a dictator..
From Moses to Jonah, Gideon to Job, the Bible is littered with characters who went through Nazi-like torture at the hands of God for their belief in Him...

Logicbwoy: 1) How can God question God? Jesu questioning God?

2) Job accepted his suffering

MyJoe: Your closing summary is tendentious and uninspiring. The supercharged quest55 said I failed to get it because I lacked the Holy Spirit. Now you say it's because I don't preach. Why do you people resort to this when there are no facts to rely on or logic fails and the thinness of your argument becomes clear?

No, I don't need to be a Witness or do the house to house preaching to know what sending someone out to preach and telling him not to go house to house means. The isolated territory thing has been addressed in my post. And I have asked if you know of people who move accommodation daily and where this has posed a problem to preachers such that Jesus had a pressing need to warn against it.

If you don't accept the verse where Jesus forbade house to house preaching, how about the personal examples he set? I understand that the verse in question, once highlighted, would come as a shock to rank and file Witnesses, which explains why you had to rush to the Insight book. But rather than give you some insight the material only confused the situation further. Unfortunately you can't spot this, having ascribed superiority to its authors, perceiving them as the link between the Holy Spirit and you. Not being able to read the Bible or think without funneling it through some men must be a tough situation to be in!

MyJoe: Your closing summary is tendentious and uninspiring. The supercharged quest55 said I failed to get it because I lacked the Holy Spirit. Now you say it's because I don't preach. Why do you people resort to this when there are no facts to rely on or logic fails and the thinness of your argument becomes clear?

No, I don't need to be a Witness or do the house to house preaching to know what sending someone out to preach and telling him not to go house to house means. The isolated territory thing has been addressed in my post. And I have asked if you know of people who move accommodation daily and where this has posed a problem to preachers such that Jesus had a pressing need to warn against it.

If you don't accept the verse where Jesus forbade house to house preaching, how about the personal examples he set? I understand that the verse in question, once highlighted, would come as a shock to rank and file Witnesses, which explains why you had to rush to the Insight book. But rather than give you some insight the material only confused the situation further. Unfortunately you can't spot this, having ascribed superiority to its authors, perceiving them as the link between the Holy Spirit and you. Not being able to read the Bible or think without funneling it through some men must be a tough situation to be in!

TrueSeeker: MyJoe, though I always admire your responses on this forum, I have no choice but to differ with you on this your assertion that Jesus did not ask anyone to preach from house to house. In light of the scriptures sighted below I am more than convince that house to house preaching is a form of teaching that Jesus commanded to his disciples and that the early Christians admonished that way of Jesus teaching.



(Matthew 28:18-20) . . ,  19 Go therefore and make disciples of people [/b]of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things,  . .

Jesus commanded his disciples to preach

(Luke 8:1) 8 Shortly afterwards he went journeying from city to city and from village to village, preaching and declaring the good news of the kingdom of God,  . .
Jesus himself did the preaching work

(Luke 10:4-6) . . ,  5 Wherever YOU [b]enter into a house say first, ‘May this house have peace.’ 6 And if a friend of peace is there, YOUR peace will rest upon him,  . .
Jesus gave instructions to his disciples on how they will do the preaching work

(Matthew 10:12-14) 12 When YOU are entering into the house, greet the household; 13 and if the house is deserving, let the peace YOU wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from YOU return upon YOU. 14 Wherever anyone does not take YOU in or listen to YOUR words, on going out of that house or that city shake the dust off YOUR feet. . .

(Acts 5:41-42) 41 These, therefore, went their way from before the San′he•drin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy to be dishonored in behalf of his name. 42 And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.
Jesus disciples preached without letup from house to house

(Acts 20:20) 20 while I did not hold back from telling YOU any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching YOU publicly and[b] from house to house[/b].
Paul did not hold back from teaching from house to house

(1 Peter 2:9) . . .But YOU are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that YOU should declare abroad the excellencies” of the one that called YOU out of darkness into his wonderful light. . .
Christian were called to declare the excellencies of God
(1 Peter 2:21) 21 In fact, to this [course] YOU were called, because even Christ suffered for YOU, leaving YOU a model for YOU to follow his steps closely.

Jesus did the preaching, his disciples were under obligation to do same.

joinnow: Does God approve of all worship?
▪ Jesus’ heart went out to people who had been deceived by false religion. He warned of “false prophets that come . . . in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves.” (Matthew 7:15) Have you noticed that some people use religion for evil ends?
Jesus said in prayer to God: “Your word is truth.” (John 17:17) So God disapproves of worship that contradicts the truth of the Bible. Therefore, to some religious hypocrites, Jesus applied the words of God that say: “It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.”—Matthew 15:9.
Is there a true religion?
▪ When Jesus met a woman in Samaria who had been deceived by false religion, he said to her: “You worship what you do not know . . . The true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him.” (John 4:22, 23) Clearly, true worship can be found.
Jesus said: “I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me I speak these things.” So Jesus knew that the religion he taught was the only true one. (John 8:28) Therefore, he said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6) Since true worshippers are united in one approach to the Father, they must be united in one true religion.
How can you recognize true worshippers?
▪ A Christian is one who follows Jesus Christ. Consider four ways in which imitating Jesus’ example clearly identifies his followers.
 1. Jesus Christ said in prayer to Jehovah: “I have made your name known.” (John 17:26) True Christians still do likewise.
 2. Jesus preached about Jehovah’s Kingdom and sent his disciples from house to house to do the same. He said: “Into whatever city or village you enter, search out who in it is deserving.” Later, he told his followers: “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations.” (Matthew 10:7, 11; 28:19) You can easily recognize true Christians today because they continue the same work.
 3. Jesus refused to take sides in politics. Thus, he said of his followers: “They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.” (John 17:14) True worshippers should be well-known for their political neutrality.
 4. Jesus was self-sacrificing in his love for others. He said: “By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.” (John 13:35) True Christians care for one another and take no part in wars.
How can true worship benefit you?
▪ To practice true worship, you first need to know Jehovah well. Knowledge of God will enable you to pursue the best way of life and will fill your heart with love for God. Jehovah promised life without end to those who love him. Thus, Jesus said: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God.”—John 17:3.

adesteve: Freecocoa, the following info may prove useful to you; I pray that God open your eyes, minds and hearts so that you can be like the Beroeans!

How God Conveys Truth
Actually, God conveys his messages in a way that allows sincere seekers of truth to search them out. (Psalm 14:2) Consider the message that God delivered through his prophet Jeremiah centuries ago. It was given to God’s wayward people regarding the coming destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians.—Jeremiah 25:8-11; 52:12-14.
Yet, at the same time, other prophets claimed to speak for God. Hananiah foretold peace for Jerusalem. That was a very different message from the one that Jeremiah delivered. So whom was a person at that time to believe—Jeremiah or those who contradicted him?—Jeremiah 23:16, 17; 28:1, 2, 10-17.
To know who was right, sincere Jews needed to know Jehovah as a person. They needed to understand his laws and principles, as well as his attitude toward wrongdoing. Doing so, they would have agreed with God’s words spoken through Jeremiah that “there was not a man repenting over his badness.” (Jeremiah 8:5-7) Furthermore, they would have discerned that this sad situation did not bode well for Jerusalem and its inhabitants.—Deuteronomy 28:15-68; Jeremiah 52:4-14.
Jeremiah’s prophecies about Jerusalem came true. The city was razed by the Babylonians in 607 B.C.E.
Although the consequences of disobedience were foretold long in advance, effort was needed to recognize that the time had arrived for God to take action.

What About Christian Truth?
What of the truth proclaimed by Jesus Christ? Did everyone recognize it as a message from God? No. Even though Jesus was right there in the midst of the people of Israel teaching them and performing miracles, most of his listeners did not discern that he was the foretold Messiah—the Christ, or Anointed One.
To the Pharisees who asked when God’s Kingdom was coming, Jesus himself said: “The kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness.” He added: “The kingdom of God is in your midst.” (Luke 17:20, 21) God’s appointed Ruler, Jesus, was among them! But those Pharisees refused to open their eyes to the evidence that he was fulfilling the Messianic prophecies and to accept him as “the Christ, the Son of the living God.”—Matthew 16:16.
The response to the truth proclaimed by Christ’s first-century disciples was similar. While miracles helped to demonstrate that God was supporting the disciples, the truth was still not plain to most. (Acts 8:1-8; 9:32-41) Jesus commissioned his followers to “make disciples of people” by teaching them. As a result of listening and learning Scriptural truths, sincere seekers of truth became believers.—Matthew 28:19; Acts 5:42; 17:2-4, 32-34.
It is the same today. The “good news of the kingdom” is being “preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations.” (Matthew 24:14) This is not necessarily being done “with striking observableness”—in so obvious a way that every individual on earth will recognize it as a message from God. Yet, God’s truth is recognizable and strikes a responsive chord in honesthearted individuals who want to worship God in the way approved by him.—John 10:4, 27.
The fact that you are reading a Bible journal shows that you are likely a sincere seeker of truth. How can you determine which religion is teaching it?

An Approach That Works
Some first-century residents of Beroea were commended by the apostle Paul for the way they responded when he taught them. They did not immediately accept what Paul said as truth; still, they listened respectfully. We can learn from what the Beroeans did after hearing the message.
Note that the Bible explains: “Now the [Beroeans] were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so. Therefore many of them became believers.” (Acts 17:10-12) So their search was not superficial. They did not expect conclusive results in just one or two brief discussions with Paul.
Observe also that the Beroeans “received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind.” This tells us something about the attitude with which they approached their study of the Scriptures. They were not gullible, but neither were they cynical. They did not have a critical attitude toward what was explained by Paul, who was one of God’s human representatives.
Consider this too: The Beroeans were hearing about Christianity for the first time. It sounded good, perhaps too good to be true. But rather than dismiss it, they carefully examined the Scriptures, checking to see ‘whether the things Paul was saying were so.’ Note, too, that those in both Beroea and Thessalonica who made such a diligent search became believers. (Acts 17:4, 12) They did not give up and conclude that truth cannot be found. They identified the true religion.

How the Truth Affects People
When one finds the truth, as did the Beroeans, he is moved to share it enthusiastically. Others may disapprove, holding that it is more humble to feel that other religions could be equally correct. However, the Bible’s truth—once found—instills conviction. It does not leave one wondering if truth is attainable or if all religions might lead to salvation. Finding the truth, however, begins with an earnest examination, which does indeed require humility.
Jehovah’s Witnesses have made such an examination. That is why they believe that they have found the true religion. And they invite you to make a search of the Scriptures so as to identify who is practicing true religion today. While there is much more involved than any simple checklist could provide, the material about first-century Christians in the accompanying box on this page may help you to get started.
By accepting a home Bible study with Jehovah’s Witnesses at no cost, you can make an in-depth search of what the Bible really teaches. Learning this will put you in position to identify the true religion.


Features of True Religion
Consider the practices and teachings of first-century Christians:
▪ They looked to God’s Word as their guide.—2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21.
▪ They taught that Jesus was God’s Son, distinct from God himself and subordinate to Him.—1 Corinthians 11:3; 1 Peter 1:3.
▪ They taught that the dead will return to life by means of a future resurrection.—Acts 24:15.
▪ They were known overall for the love that prevailed among themselves.—John 13:34, 35.
▪ They did not worship merely as individuals but were organized into congregations and were united under overseers and a central body of elders that looked to Jesus as Head.—Acts 14:21-23; 15:1-31; Ephesians 1:22; 1 Timothy 3:1-13.
▪ They were zealous preachers of God’s Kingdom as mankind’s only hope.—Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20; Acts 1:8.

numo86: The trinity teachin stems from d pagan worship of gods in triads and never has a biblical backin, d question 1 shuld b askin wenever a doctrine comes is where did it cme fromwhats its origindoes d bible support it??what did Jesus teach about itwhat about d early apostles??, the truth is wen u read d bible u'l independently even cme to ur own conclusion dat God,Jesus & d holy spirit are nt part of a trinity, that is why it becomes a mystery to d originators of d doctrine , if Jesus himself never taught such teachns why are his followers propagatin it, even isaac newton after readin d bible clearly concluded and i quote "that trinitarians are idolaters for worshipin 3 gods", i'm gona quote scriptures u can read and see what d bible rili teaches,
**GOD IS NOT 3persons in 1
Deuteronomy6:4
Malachi 2:10
Mark10;18
Romans3:29&30
***Jesus was created,God was alone b4
Revelation 3:14
Colossians1:15
Isiah44:6
***Jesus inferior to Father b4 & afer comin to earth
john8:42
John12:49
**obedient on earth,his Father greater than him
John14:28
John5:19
***even wen exalted in heaven Jesus was still subject to his Father
Philipians2:9
1corinthians15:28
Matthew20:23
****Jehovah is christs head & God
1corinthians11:3
John20:17
Revelation1:5&6
*****Gods holy spirit is active force not a person
Matthew3:16
John20:22
Acts2:4,17,33
***holy spirit not a person in heaven wit God and Christ
Acts7:55&56
Revelation7:10
****those servin God today as humans recieve & are guided by it
1corinthians 2:12&13

All these scripture negates d doctrine of trinity,
It is simple 1+1+1=3 not equals to 1, and ofcus Jesus never taught it, please read those scriptures,

truthislight: thank you for telling em,

the trinity is not even a bible derived doctrine.

The live force = the spirit
it animate a mold that comes to be a living soul. QED

or

the force = electric current
on entering a bulb or a device it comes alive or becomes a soul.

Is it that the mold from the dust like a block was the soul? No. It became a soul when it came alive or like bulb, it light.

When the force goes out = a mold.

Genesis 3;19. Adam was no where befor he was created, on dying he went no where. From dus he was taken to dust you shall return.

Or is someone telling me that Adam was existing somewhere befor he was created?

Only thing that goes out is the life force that belong to God, it simply Gods power.

Eg, When NEPA takes power does it draw back the current? Does it take the shape of the Device?

Consider God as the one that generated the power.

Soul dies Ezikiel 18;4,

Animal are soul Numbers 31;28 are you saying all the animal will also go to be with God?

Man and Animal are the same and die the same. Ezikiel 3:19

if soul is not the life that we lost when we die it will then mean that all the animal, chicken, bird, insects, etc that has life are some place, or with God.
Peace

jayriginal: Very nice and apt actually.

On the issue of "souls", I see no reason why that is the distinguishing feature of humanity. Reading the thread, I expected to see many christians denouncing the concept of animal "souls". Possibly, the thread hasnt attracted them yet.

In fact, I think I've heard Pagan9ja use the term "our animal equals". That carries deep meaning. I'd like to be a vegetarian but some of our furry friends are quite delicious and besides, plants are alive too; they're just easier to catch.

My whole family is animal loving. We have had pigeons, dogs, a cat and even a chicken we called Remi. She died a natural death. No one could bear to eat her.

I'm rambling . . .

musKeeto: So did Adam die?


Can you rephrase this?


I'm not an atheist....


Death kills us?


Your obsession with death is beginning to bother me. Hope you're not suicidal...


So you hold onto the Bible, till maybe scientists find a way to cure death? Good choice..


Great to know that your fear of death is what keeps you close to God.. May you never die...

musKeeto: truthisdarkness, why do you always play the 'death' card? Won't you die like everyone else? Can you bet eternity that there's life after death?