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frosbel: bump !!

Delafruita: lol.a classic example of "what would jesus do".in any case you're following in his footsteps since there's not much difference between a$$ hole and "sons of vipers"

MyJoe: I guess you are happier just left to believe that^^^.

musKeeto: Let's just say I have one that's easy for you guys.. Mosquito.. :-)...

Oh yeah, I remeber I called u truthisdarkness once.. Hehee.

Sorry, dude.. :-(

MyJoe: I did. You haven't, it seems.

Edited.

musKeeto: Same thing the Moslems say about you... super trolsbel.. :-)

frosbel: He was trying to advice his brethren to stop arguing with stiff necked scoffers like yourself who while denying Christ , cannot help but be drawn into episodes of mockery and ridicule of Him. I mean if he does not exist why bother ?

Why spend an appreciable amount of your time in a religious section and over many years debating on a GOD who does not exist Hypocrite !!

Besides what is not a fantasy in atheism Everything is fantasy in atheism and is based on fallacy, wishful thinking, cobbled up fables , unproven theories, assumptions, presumptions and all manner of madness that has not resulted in the atheists discovering one iota of truth about the origin of man.

In other words arguing for argument sake.

The only supposed fact you guys have is that we all came from fish , even my little boys will laugh this foolishness away

frosbel: He was trying to advice his brethren to stop arguing with stiff necked scoffers like yourself who while denying Christ , cannot help but be drawn into episodes of mockery and ridicule of Him. I mean if he does not exist why bother ?

Why spend an appreciable amount of your time in a religious section and over many years debating on a GOD who does not exist Hypocrite !!

Besides what is not a fantasy in atheism Everything is fantasy in atheism and is based on fallacy, wishful thinking, cobbled up fables , unproven theories, assumptions, presumptions and all manner of madness that has not resulted in the atheists discovering one iota of truth about the origin of man.

In other words arguing for argument sake.

The only supposed fact you guys have is that we all came from fish , even my little boys will laugh this foolishness away

MyJoe: He he.
I guess you are happier just left to believe that and the rest of what you wrote.

thehomer: This isn't about someone claiming to know better or about learning, it is about the relationship between the human lifespan and the theory of evolution. What does one have to do with the other? Someone may understand the theory of plate tectonics but does that explain e.g the size of the various continents and islands?

If you can explain the relationship between them, then we can have somewhere to start.

cyrexx: The "church"/christianity is in error because Christians are mostly hypocrites and here's why:

Christians, they love to talk about how loving, dutiful and compassionate they are, yet I have yet to meet ONE who does not practice hypocrisy to the highest degree. Their willful ignorance of the Bible combined with their two-faced idealism to preach it, has made us non-believers sick, hasn’t it? For nearly two thousand years Bible punchers have been lecturing people on the importance of adhering to the Bible’s teachings on ethics, manners, and morality. They quote Jesus and Paul profusely, with a liberal sprinkling of Old Testament moralism.


The problem with their approach lies not only in an oft- noted failure to practice what they preach, but an equally pronounced tendency to ignore what the Bible itself, preaches. Christians practice what can only be described as “selective morality”. What they like, they cling to and shove down other’s throats; what they don’t like, they ignore vehemently. That which is palatable and acceptable is supposedly applicable to all; while that which is obnoxious, inconvenient, or self-denying is only applicable to those addressed 2,000 years ago.


Their hypocrisy is so rampant that even the validity of calling oneself “Christian” is in question. I see so many people enjoy quoting the scriptures they like, but don’t even PRETEND to obey other, equally valid scriptures from the same bible.

bunch of hypocrites.

see my post here.

Maximus85: Let me put an end to this issue concerning the prediction of the end to this system of things.
[b]YES! In 1925/1975 the GB did PREDICTED based on the situation of things at that period which are very similar to the signs that Jesus told his disciples to watchout for.
They predicted but DID NOT FIX A SPECIFIC DATE. So it will be unjust to castigate the GB for predicting. They came out to apologise. We are not God, we are just IMPERFECT HUMANS, WE ARE IN NO WAY PERFECT. Please let agree it was a mistake to had put people in fear at that time. It wasnt meant to be that way. But there were daunting evidences at that period.

So let us put this issue behind us all forge ahead.
SATAN WILL TRY ALL HE COULD TO PREVENT US FROM KNOWING THE TRUTH, knowing that that truth will set us all free from his lies.
Remember he said Adam and Eve won't die if they eat the fruit? But they did died, Satan lied. To back up this lie, he said a part of a man still lives after death. Which part of Adam and Eve lived after they died? This is another lie. He also said Adam and Eve will be like God, did they become like God? NO, He lied again. He is doing all he could to back his lies.
He was saying that we dont need God to survive, that he can rule humans better than our God. God been a God of Justice is allowing him to prove himself. If God had destroyed him instantly, some angels in heaven might feel that GOD is trying to hide something, so God allowed him. And this is how satan wants to rule us better with, Hunger, War, Hatered, Diseases, Terrorism etc, God had far better plan for us, he had wanted us to live in that garden of Eden forever before satan misled our ancestors Adam and Eve. But God has promised us that if we can be patient, following his commandments till the end of this system of things, he will return us to that beautiful and peaceful condition he had planned for us in the beginning.
THIS IS WHAT WE THE JWS BELIEVE IN. Let us learn more of these in the Bible. We are not saying you must join us, but we'd love to share our views and beliefs with you.[/b]
Your Questions will be answered.
Thanks.

truthislight: 1pet 2:22
it was necessary that he commit no sin.

Matt 3:17 and 17;5 yes he was a unique son of God.

1cor 15:45&47 = Jesus is the last or 2nd Adam that came from heaven. He came as Adam from heaven.

philipians 2:7,8 Jesus was a man.

1cor 15:21,22 dead came through a man and life came through a man (resurrection) christ Jesus. So, it takes a man to pay the ransom.

Roman 5:12-14 death through a man and life though a man.
Jesus bear similarity to Adam.
Jesus was a man on earth to pay the ransom.

Romans 6:23 The ransom was a gift from God through Jesus.

Heb 9:22-24 without blood no forgiveness of sin.

Colosians 2:14-17 the law and it forgiveness of sin is a shadow of the things to come.

Colosians 1:13-15 Jesus is the first born of all creatures:
(just like Adam was the first man on earth)

Goshen360: @ Ihedinobi and OP,

This is a very sensitive issue and we should treat as such. God has raised you and the likes for such a time as this. I pray the Grace of God on you will increase for the good work of the ministry. I am highly interested in this thread and the whatever edifies the body of Christ. The truth is, the bible speaks for itself like frosbel said. However, proving all things and holding unto that which is good is a function of STUDYING the word. Truth is mixed with error due to the following reasons:

1. False men have invaded the church of God as prophesied by our Lord Jesus - everyone in the body of Christ are not working towards same goal and objective anymore. Some are building "the kingdom" while some are building "their kingdom and denomination"

2. The principles of "interpreting the scriptures with scriptures" had been neglected.

3. The scriptures had been grossly taken out of context and given a man made interpretation to suite man made idea. Hence, our good idea had replaced God's idea.

How then shall we know who and who is right since we all speak from the same bible - The key is CONTEXT, INTERPRET SCRIPTURES WITH SCRIPTURES and STUDY which involves checking the length, breath and depth of every scriptures regarding a subject matter. I have more to say but will prefer to unfold more as the thread progresses.

cyrexx: you must think i'm inconsiderate and want to bash religion without a reason. wrong.

many religionists cant open any thread without addressing the atheists and one was recently opened to purposely bash atheism/humanist philosophies. im sure you will see nothing wrong with that. but you will think it is wrong if we return the favor to them in kind.

dont be biased and see things objectively like a third party and you will know that what i am doing here is not out place.

but i will take heed to your admonition @ bolded

thehomer: If you can explain the conflict between evolution and the human lifespan, then you'll be able to get a better answer.

true2god: Truthislight should not present himself here as falsehood is light. I have been goin thru this thread and im happy dat almost all the respondends provided valuable reference materials, either watchtower magazines or the bible. However the most amazin of all is that despite the numeruos watchtower publications referenced in this arguments,exposin the dangers and falsehood in jw, you still hav the moral to continue in blind argument. Thats loyalty at its peak. Thats one trait i admire an average jw for. i need ask u one question: was any of the watchtower publication quoted falsely or out of context? Pls i need to learn cos the light is gettin dimmer and i need it get brighter.

comnsense: Well, Deepsight, you are evidently not an educated person if you are not aware or seek to argue this basic point about evolution. Baseless Assumptions? It is evident in nature and all around you. Have you ever read the origin of species by Darwin? Or is Darwin as idiotic as Krausse and should learn from the all knowing You and your well informed theory about the First Cause, the universal mind - something that equates to a lot of hot air.

comnsense: Well, Deepsight, you are evidently not an educated person if you are not aware or seek to argue this basic point about evolution. Baseless Assumptions? It is evident in nature and all around you. Have you ever read the origin of species by Darwin? Or is Darwin as idiotic as Krausse and should learn from the all knowing You and your well informed theory about the First Cause, the universal mind - something that equates to a lot of hot air.

Ubenedictus: I think u should be very careful what you say, can a man pay for mans past, present and future sins? No

my bible doesnt call christ 'a creation' it says instead that all things were created thru him. So where did u get creation from?

my bible didnt say adam and Jesus are equal pls give me quote

where did u get d idea that they are equal?

i think u have alot of quote to provide.
Peace

cyrexx: who do you think the atheists are? You think they are ignorant of bible. You are wrong. Many of us know the bible and quran more than many of you and your pastors and imams. We concluded it's all bullcrap after shedding some religious bias required to turn a blind eye to the errors contained therein.

The atheist website you are refering to is written by a former pastor who knows the bible in and out more than you.

I personally can engage you on any biblical topic if i want to.

cyrexx: says who?

what i just posted is totally relevant to the topic of this thread.

this is nairaland, not a christian fellowship website, where everything you say goes without independent thinking from the readers. Anybody is free to post anything as long as it is within the confines of the topic of the thread. that "family thing" you are talking about only works in your place of worship, not on a public forum.

besides, did you forget how ur brother called the bluff of non-christians. if you see nothing wrong with that, then you should see nothing wrong with my post here too.

cyrexx: PAUL SAID, "God is not the author of confusion," (I Corinthians 14:33), yet never has a book produced more confusion than the bible! There are hundreds of denominations and sects, all using the "inspired Scriptures" to prove their conflicting doctrines.

Why do trained theologians differ? Why do educated translators disagree over Greek and Hebrew meanings? Why all the confusion? Shouldn't a document that was "divinely inspired" by an omniscient and omnipotent deity be as clear as possible?

"If the trumpet give an uncertain sound," Paul wrote in I Corinthians 14:8, "who shall prepare himself to the battle? So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air." Exactly! Paul should have practiced what he preached. For almost two millennia, the bible has been producing a most "uncertain sound."

The problem is not with human limitations, as some claim. The problem is the bible itself. People who are free of theological bias notice that the bible contains hundreds of discrepancies. Should it surprise us when such a literary and moral mish-mash, taken seriously, causes so much discord? Here is a brief sampling of biblical contradictions.

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true2god: @ MAXIMUS85 stop whinning and learn for once. Is any of Nimshi's posting not factual with references frm jw magazines? This Nimshi guy had spent quality time to do his findings and he's here enlightenung pple on the danger of a sophisticated and high organized mind controlin institution, no matter hw seemingly honest the organization may appear. Do u need to read the bible alone to knw dat the earth is spherical? Pls stop discouragin pple frm learnin the truth. Thank u.

MyJoe: I think your is position is much closer to Mr Obi's than mine, but I realise people like to emphasise differences. I mean, the both of you appear to take the Adam and Abel stories to be literal historical accounts. I don't. Not that there is anything particularly non-Christian about my position, as I doubt Enigma, too, takes the stories as literal and historical.

ATMC: ...all they had then was d law nd d prophet. Again, for u to say d holy spirit knew some peep will also write...does it mean he'd selected peep dt will write? Afterall pple r still writing today...will their inspired writeup be included later as scripture? I said this cos i know dt it wasn't every writer's was included in what we have today as d bible. Moreover, god has not stopped inspiring peep...a whole lot still write today.
Well, d exact thing i want to pass across is dt emphasis shouldn't be laid on d bible as compared to d direct hearing from god. Afterall jesus didn't use any book of romans etc nd we follow him! He maintained a unique rship with god whereby he heard him.d bible is divinely inspired just as any other sacred book to basically guide us(doctrine) nd to show us who christ is...but d word of god in ur heart supercedes it!

Goshen360: Okay. Thanks to everyone who have contributed one way or the other. This is what is called "e-fellowship". As we fellowship with one another. we learn the truth the more.

My special thanks goes to "staggerman" and "danwo", in this matter because their posts made the most perfect of the explanation of the word of God. However, I will borrow the words of some of the brethren to explain what is meant by the context of 2 Timothy 3:16. First, let it be known to everyone that devil and demons are non-redeemable, otherwise the blood of Jesus would have redeemed them. The devil and demons who spoke in the bible just like bro "Joagbaje" mentioned ARE NOT INSPIRED BY GOD OR THE HOLY SPIRIT for the devil and demons CANNOT be filled with the Holy Ghost neither can the Holy Spirit come upon them.

Bro. Olaadegbu gave a perfect definition of what is meant by the "scriptures". This is one of the key to understand when I was having fellowship with the father through the Holy Ghost. When you understand the meaning of "scriptures", then you understand that, it wasn't the devil or the demons who are inspired but the "writings" of the scriptures, that's what is "inspired by the inspiration or breathe of God".

For instance, when the devil tempted Jesus, Matthew and other Gospel writers were not there at the scene but they were "inspired" to write what happened between Christ and the devil. When Moses wrote Genesis for instance, he wasn't born yet but he was "inspired" by the Holy Spirit to write. For one to be inspired, such person must either be filled with the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit come upon such person for such specific assignment. Hence, it is the holy men who wrote the scriptures that were inspired unlike the devil and demons who spoke in the bible and that which is written down for us by theses holy men of God through the inspiration or breathe of God is what is called the scriptures. Hence, the scriptures is called the inspired word of God.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter 1:20-21 Kjv

Goshen360: Do we really understand the context or what is meant in 2 Timothy 3:16?

I was having fellowship with our heavenly Father through the Holy Spirit while I was bathing, just about to go to bed last night. Immediately I stepped into the bathtub, the Spirit of God whispered to my ears - 2 Timothy 3:16,

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

Without knowing what was to follow, I quickly answered Yes, Lord. And the next question followed:

Are you aware that many people spoke in what us called the "inspired" word of God? Again, I asked, how do you mean Lord? And He said, take for instance, the devil spoke in the bible. I said, Yes. And then the bomb question followed - Can you then say the devil was inspired by God since 2 Timothy 3:16 says ALL SCRIPTURES IS GIVEN BY THE INSPIRATION OF GOD?

The Spirit of God began to teach me the meaning and context of this verse and it was nice time until I went to bed and still woke un-recovered from the fellowship. I intend to share the message of here but first, I like us to start it as a discussion rather than me just teaching here. So the question is, was the devil and demons who also spoke in the bible also inspire by God since "ALL SCRIPTURES" is given by the inspiration of God?

Josh090: sir, this links has taken me nowhere.

Ihedinobi: I agree.

I wish to ask you guys one final question. That will decide the argument. The question is

HOW ARE WE SAVED?

I ask this because I believe that Salvation would not be possible if it wasn't God Who became man to die for us. Perhaps your answers will disillusion me. If they fail to do so, I will explain why I think what I think. I don't think I'll continue the argument after that. Because I believe that if we don't agree on the answer to that question, it is pointless to persist in the argument.