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[quote author=Mr_Anony]@Ihedinobi: Quality Write-up brother!

..........but then I think you need to relax a bit. You are getting angry and it is beginning to show. NLers can really push a person's patience - I am not insensitive to that - but there is this thing we have that is called Longsuffering.

God bless.


(Note: I am not saying this because I am the perfect example of patience. Obviously I am not. But then, I've always admired you as the more patient of the two of us)[/quote]guy, this statement is a lie.

That your 2nd half does not have patience at all, infant he is grossly impatient.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I hope you do realize that you are implying that God isn't really omnipresent but He has an omnipresent machine that keeps Him informed....just in the same way I am not all that smart but I have google.
Again, how come that God being a Spirit also has another Spirit that existed from the beginning? Psalm 139:7-12 talks about God being everywhere.
Also consider when Christ says He and the Father will come in and dwell in those that receive Christ (John 14:23). Now we have another two persons who are definitely not forces that are capable of being in multiple places at the same time?

Please think carefully about the things you are proposing.[/quote]Jesus said that he and his father are one in agreement.

So, any that is in union with the son will automatically be in union with the father.

We all know that the holy spirit dwells in those that the father approvesof.

So, when the father or the son approves of any person the oneness or union in purpose is automatic.
the spirit of God that will dwell in the person thereof is the spirit of God and christ, it will compel the person to do the things that the two of them approves of,

it is the same spirit that God uses, it is the same spirit that christ uses it is the same spirit that the apostles uses. It is the spirit of unity not of disunity.

You seem to confuse things between the spirit creatures and the holy spirit.
While the spirit creatures are spirit persons(God, christ, angels, satan, demons)
the holy spirit is Gods power, his active force that he uses to do things that are in accordance with his will.

The holy spirit being Gods power and the most powerful force in the univers can not go Against gods will since it does not have a mind of his own but does what God wants it to do, it is an impersonal force.

Spirit creatures dont have physical body but uses this force to get things done, Ofcouse this power was aloted to them by God and it becomes their hands and legs, their power.

While this spirit creatures have a mind of their own and decides on what to do with their aloted power they are different from thier power or spirit.

Read Ephesians 2:2,3

there talked about the spirit of satan or demon as being the authority of the "air" meaning the influence from satan's power is compelling people to do what is bad.

Though satan is an entity his power is very rampant and saturate peoples minds to get them to do what is bad.

On this level also, we also have God's spirit his active force that can get people to do good, producing in people the fruitage of the spirit, joy, kindness, love, the hating of unrigheouseness.

Just like this power can animat, energies, motivate, teach,
It is this same power that God uses every where to do and know all he wishes.

Dont forget how this force was use in GENESIS during creation, going to and fro.

Satan's power or spirit is called the authority of the "air" in Ephesians.2:2 cus it saturate very where this wicked world.
peace

OLAADEGBU: God is One consisting of three separate, distinct Persons.

confusion.
Is the holy spirit a person?

Have you change, is God now distinct?

The athenasian creed says they are not
"seperat, none greater than each other, they are in one mold" etc etc.

Now you are saying they are distinct.

Confusion headquarters.

Double post

OLAADEGBU: To be an atheist is better than to belong to a false religion or cults because many atheists have open minds.

You say that Jesus is your Lord, is He your Saviour too? If so consider this verse that your folks have failed to respond to.

"You are my witnesses, says the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour.," (Isaiah 43:10,11)

If you study this verse objectively, you will discover the following pointers:

There always has been and always will be only one true God.

There is no Saviour of the world except for this one true God.

Therefore, the Saviour of the world must be the one true God.

This leads to another question:

Is Jesus the Saviour of the world?

I do not think that anyone who has read the New Testament would dispute this. Even your NWT version of the Bible refers to Jesus as the Saviour: "and of the Saviour of us, Christ Jesus" --Titus 2:13.

Therefore, since:

The one true God is the only Saviour of the world (Isaiah 43:10,11), and

Jesus is the Saviour of the world (Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:1),

Jesus must therefore be the one true God.

To deny that Jesus is the one true God, one would either have to deny that Jesus is the Saviour, or say that God is lying to us in Isaiah 43:11. Neither alternative fits with Scripture.

Does Titus 2:13 teach that Jesus is God our Saviour?

In Titus 2:13 it states the following:

"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify to Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."

Paul is here through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit stating clearly that it is Jesus who is our great God and Saviour.

QED.

confusion.
You people remove God name from the bible and call both father and son lord, how then will you know the diiference?

You have just fallen into the pit you dug.

OLAADEGBU: I said that the word possessed there means to acquire, there's no need to complicate matter there. What does it mean to call Jesus the Son of God?

Does the title applied to Jesus, Son of God, imply that He is different than God? No. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), while Christians are adopted sons of God (Romans 8:15-17). Christians are called adopted sons of God because we are different from God and must become His children (hence, adopted, not begotten). Jesus is not called adopted because He never became God's Son, but has always been God's Son. Calling Jesus the only begotten Son of God means that He is of the same nature as God, not a different nature, as C.S. Lewis explains:

"To beget is to become the father of: to create is to make. And the difference is this. When you beget, you beget something of the same kind as yourself. A man begets human babies, a beaver begets little beavers, But when you make, you make something of a different kind from yourself. A bird makes a nest, a beaver builds a dam . . . Now that is the first thing to get clear. What God begets is God; just as what man begets is man. What God creates is not God, just as what man makes is not man. That is why men are not Sons of God in the sense that Christ is. They may be like God in certain ways, but they are not things of the same kind."

There is a clear distinction between making and begetting, that is, you cannot make what you beget. What you make is different from yourself, what you beget has your nature. Therefore to call Jesus the only begotten Son is to say that He has God's nature and was not made. Since He has God's nature, He is, by definition, God and therefore eternal. If Jesus was created by God, He could not have been begotten, and John 3:16; 1:18, 1 John 4:9, etc. would be in error.

Therefore, when the Bible says that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, it means that Jesus is equal to God, not less than God. QED.

YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL

Ubenedictus: i will like to comment on the lazarus point, lazurus didnt have a story of heaven or hell because lazarus didnt go to heaven or hell, lazarus was a shoel, a place where d dead slept before the coming of christ. It is like a subconcious place, those in shoel were freed after the death of christ and the scriptures bear witness.

i thought you dont believe in the scriptures (bible) as the word of God?
or do you fall back to it only when it suite you?

Cant your tradition help you out?

So when human die they dont go to heaven again as you people say, ok i see, lazarus case is making you to think and it is the bible that can help you make sense.

Catholics with traditions!

true2god: No thanks to u for interpretin the bible based on ur premonition and programmed doctrine. I hav my bible with me, read thru 1 samuel 28: 12-23. Let me read verse 16 for u frm good news bible: Samuel answerd, '' why have u disturbed me? Why do u make me come back?'. Take time to read the entire passage. Note that the passage was mentionin the names of samuel in the affirmative. No part of the passage called samuel an evil sprirt conjured by a witch to giv saul a message. The passage repeatedly qouted samuel as sayin that God had finally left saul and israel. This scenario might be difficult for u to grasp\believe but dats the fact. the bible said that saul perceived it was samuel. The bible did not say 'saul thought it was samuel'. Saul perceived it was samuel, dats wat the bibble says. I am not at this juncture an advocate of ancesoral worshiip because the bible caled it idolatery and must be shunned at all cost. Saul knew God had left him hence he was desperate and consulted a medium for spiritual assistance. He got wat he wanted frm the wrong source, but santioned by the almighty, to consolidate the earlier information given to him dat he had lost the kingdom. Whether u want to belief on the survival of human spirit after death or not is immaterial cos the spirit survives after physical death. Remember that Jesus quoted the Torah concerning the message God gave moses at the burning bush; ' i am the God of Abraham the God of Isaac nd the God of Jacob' and went on to say ' God is not the God of the dead but of the living' ( Matthew 22:32). Remeber that all these pple had died long before the time of moses, yet God said they are livin and that he is their God. Let the bible guide ur argument and stp foolishly callin ur fellow a liar without substantial proof. All wat im sayin are in the bible unless u choose to ignore wat is wriiten therein. God night, anyi ga ahukwa echi. Ke emesia

so you had expected satan to explain to saul that it was not saul but a demon?
Then why does the bible call satan a liar and the father of the father of the lie?

Did the bible say that saul was the one seeing samuel or he was depending on what the witch was saying?

So when you go to your witch doctor do you also see what the Witch doctor sees?
you do also join him or her to see what he sees or Is it not usually what they see that they relate?

Please do read that book of samuel again and do tell me if it was not the woman relating to saul what she was seeing.

When you read it again with the insight i have given you then come back and tell us whose mind has been programmed.

For the soul the bible says that the soul is the person and as such the soul dies.
There is nothing that leaves when someone dies except the life force that God gave to man that goes back to the giver. Ezekiel 18:4

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You have taken a multitude of jumps in your argument without following them through logically. The problem with a lot of people (and this includes you) is that they pick up a topic and then they approach the bible by pitting one verse against another verse so that which ever verses are more cancel out the other verses. That is how not to read scripture.
The scripture should be read with the understanding that the message is true. This way, whenever you come across apparent contradictions the aim should be how to reconcile them and not how to find other scripture to cancel out the ones you are not comfortable with, by doing this, you nullify the truth of the scripture and replace it with a doctrine invented by yourself.
You did not explain how else the Word and God can both be uncreated and still be One God (John 1:1). All you did was go around finding scripture where Jesus says the Father is greater than He. What you skipped was the part that tells us that the Son humbled Himself though being equal to God, He gave up His 'God privileges' so as to be manifest in the flesh.(Phil 2:5-10)

It is not a bible verse battle, but a study to find truth. You don't find truth by cutting out bits of the bible that you find uncomfortable.
It is not by how many verses you can spit but by how relevant they are to correctly defining the truth. Please don't turn the message of the gospel into another book of law where you go around seeking clauses in support of your argument.....

......The letter killeth but the Spirit giveth life[/quote]those scriptures Ijawkid quoted refute the doctrine of trinity, if you keep trinity aside you will then see how they fall into place.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Answer: How can God be everywhere at the same time?[/quote]you are the one saying that God is every where at the same time.

The bible says that Gods throne is in the heavens but his spirit is every where and from his spirit active force he knows all that is happening.

Enigma:

Kyrie eleison!

we have spirit person or spirit body and we have physical body 1cor15:40,41

[quote author=Mr_Anony]That is the point of all I have been saying: The two persons are One God. Jesus is referred to as the Word who is God and was in the beginning with God. The same Word (God) became flesh and walked among us.[/quote]dont get the scriptures wrong and confuse it.

John 1:1
That portion of the bible is simply saying that this Jesus that is come was a very big person in the beginning befor coming to earth.

That is in the beginning was the word(jesus) and the word was a god or god(that is in the beginning this word occupied a very big position as a god) and the word was with God(that is, this Jesus that occupied a very big position was with God)

why this John 1:1?
1. To let us know that this Jesus that came was not a small person befor coming to earth.
2. To let us know that he has existed befor coming to earth.
3. To help us appreciate what he left behind to come to earth to help us out.

So, even satan is called a god in the bible how much more jesus christ the first born of all creation.
1cor4:4

That satan is called god does that negate the position of Yahweh as almighty God?

Even the bible says there are many gods.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]From John 1:1, the only way that verse can make sense with the rest of scripture is this: We have one God who is both the Father and the Son...and might I add the Holy Spirit (though he isn't specifically mentioned here)

I'll quote myself yet again. Please read and pay careful attention this time/quote]wrong analogy, the soul is the person. The spirit is God's power that sustain the person/man.

This your wrong analogy is the reason the world is feel with idolatrouse worship,
and satan is the brain behind it.

They all believe what you have just said though they dont have the bible.

Of course it is not a teaching base on the bible nor does the bible agree with it.

That is why those religion that dont carry the bible can teach it even better than YOU. Ask the ekist and hindu.

The egyptians builds pyramid and put a turnel on the top for the soul of their pharoe king to travel out, did they learn that from the bible?

You will use such false teaching to proof trinity, why not? Trinity is also a false teaching.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Wow you will even go as far as distorting the meaning of beginning just to force the divinity of Christ out.

Ok, what is the difference between the beginning in Genesis 1 and the beginning in John 1? And how do you know from the bible that they are different?
Or perhaps you may want to explain how the same event can have two beginnings.[/quote]did i say they are different?

You are asking as though God lives on planet earth or his throne is on planet earth.

Did Jesus not leave earth and ascended to heaven?
Did he not say that my kingdom is not of this source?

Was God not talking with his son during the creation in GENESIS?

That is the beginning that he was talking about.

Omolola1: Right now am confused!

I attended their congregation twice, and they preach a totally different doctrine but makes sense.

They believe there is no hell, that Jehovah is a loving God who would never torment his children, but punish them 4 their sins, which is death! The wages of sin is death as the bible say.
In one of their meetings, the preacher used Lazarus as an example, when Jesus brought him back to life, he never gave any description about heaven or hell! (this makes sense)
they seem to av tangible points which leaves me confused!

I attend redeem. Personally, i believe in personal relatnshp with God, reading the bible and understanding it, loving one's neigbour and obeyng God's commandment ar the keys to eternal life.

Really want to know your thoughts on this.

i believe you are rational enough, Jesus said keep on asking.
So ask them questions, and the answers MUST come from the bible and not just someone using his head.

Every issues the bible raises also have the answer right there inside the bible not from human head.
Peace

musKeeto: For without faith, it is impossible to please God..
Fatih, substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen...

And someone tries to defend this with reason, laughable..

did you not see there that faith is called evident demonstraion of realities though not yet Beheld?

"Evident demonstration of realities" lead to faith.

As such faith is assured owing to the demonstrated realities.

The bible also says, "add to you faith knowledge."

So, faith can only be sustain by knowledge, Without it the faith has no foundation.

And the knowledge enable one to have or demonstrate the reasons or realities of things to come though not yet Beheld.

How then can you have faith without a sound knowledge that should enable the demonstration of reasons/realities that will build and lead to having faith?

okeyxyz: God is not gonna judge non-christians according to christian doctrine, and it baffles me that a lot of mainstream christians do not preach this. The book of romans explains this perfectly:

beautifully put.
I can only add a scripture that stand pepetual. Isaiah 5:20

on this issue, a correct understanding of judgement day is of the utmost important.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I read your post properly. By the way, what Jesus said was that before Abraham, I AM. (John 8:58).[/quote]am saying that in the begining,
This beginning is the beginnig of man on earth since the bible was written for human.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol, No I am sleep-typing [/quote]lol
"sleep typing" [quote author=Mr_Anony]lol, No I am sleep-typing [/quote]lol
"sleep typing"

[quote author=Mr_Anony]This is exactly what I said you would do...............deny, deny and deny some more.

Think very carefully about this, If you say that in the beginning, Jesus was. Are you not saying that Jesus does not have a beginning since He was already existing at the beginning?[/quote]guy, read my post well, i said in the beginning of man jesus was. QED

since the message in the bible is address to man.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, you have no idea what the hindu trinity is but you are sure that I am describing the hindu trinity...........interesting.[/quote]guy
you are still awake?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Perhaps you should explain to me what the hindu trinity is[/quote]i cant explain to you any trinity since i dont believe in it.
I have not seen it in the bible befor.
It is you that have something in common with the Hindu with their trinity.

InFact, you worship similar gods(trinity) As such you should have the experience and possibly can give us some insight as to the differences.

I also know that the temple of God has nothing or no shearing with the temple of satan.
Thank you

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Your argument has holes. If you claim Jesus was created, you have to show from the bible because the bible tells us that in the beginning was the Word. or you'll have to tell us that there are at least two uncreated 'Gods'.
Now if you have a problem with the Holy Spirit being poured upon all flesh, then you must also have a problem with God being everywhere at the same time.

The problem is that everywhere you turn, you see the same qualities of God being used to describe the Son and the Spirit but you are bent on denying them.
The question you really should be asking is: What exactly is Trinity, who exactly is God? Don't just say that God is not a Trinity when you don't understand what Trinity is.[/quote]was the bible written for angels in heaven or for human on earth?

In the begining jesus was.
yes, its another way of saying befor abraham i was.

Jesus has been there in the beginning of human (Adam) start

simple thing you are suppose to know.

Did you think it was the beginning of almighty God?
Does almighty God have a beginning?
The almighty God is called king of eternity.

Ihedinobi: What did I do to merit amazing thinkers like these guys: truthislight and dorox? Honestly, if there was a way to throw people out of a discussion, I'd probably throw you two out.

Is English that hard? Or is it my use of it that is causing this problem? Dorox burdens me with proof for an argument that I am not making just so that he can avoid having to deal with the difficulties of his position. Truthislight asks me to show how the Holy Spirit is a person from the Scriptures, apparently because I said that He is? You guys are incredible.

From the beginning of this thread till now, I have not made an argument for any position. I have pointed out categories of opinion or schools of thought that exist about the Trinity of God and asked their subscribers to please clear up some difficulties inherent in their position. Then these schools of thought come and ask me to defend a position that I have not offered. Tell you guys the truth? You have a baseless argument against the Trinity. Your inability to deal with the issues tied up with your positions shows that your positions are not tenable.

If you disagree, deal with those difficulties. If you agree, then ask me again for my position. I will gladly offer it and defend it.

Geez!!!

guy, what spirit operate in you?

At James 3:17 the bible says that the wisdom from above is first pure then peaceable and gentle, without partiality and hypocrisy. etc.

You have not been gentle.
You have not been peaceable.
You have been partial.
You have been

Check yourself.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Perhaps it escaped your notice that the purpose of this thread is not to discuss the "hindu trinity" but to inquire - through the bible - into the nature of God as Trinity[/quote]Whats the difference?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]EXCELLENT!
I must admit I had a moment of guilty pleasure watching you dismantle his argument, I purposely didn't want to reply that post I wanted to let you finish him off (now I feel bad for gloating)

The thing most people don't realize is that once they deny Trinity, they must then prove from the bible that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not eternal and are creations of God the Father or that there are three eternal 'Gods'.

Knowing God is so awesome! I must confess, sometimes I feel a certain pride that I have that privilege

To quote a post from the start of this thread;[/quote]you did not make any sense my friend.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You have now sidestepped the issue. The point is that love cannot exist without relationship.

What is interesting here is that contrary to what Trinity actually is, you have now shown two different everlasting uncreated "Gods" one mightier than the other. So in your apparent attempt to escape the truth of Trinity, you have jumped right back into the polytheism that most accuse 'trinitarians' of.[/quote]what has all this to do with trinity?
You guys act like a drowning man that tend to grab everything he can lay hands of to survived,

God is love and this is a quality that he have, is that the only quality tha God have?
What about Justice, power, wisdom?

The four living creature befor him depicted this qualities with there four faces.
Are we also going to use this or cardinal attribute of God to proof trinity?

Ihedinobi: Please reconcile this position with "Love...is not self-seeking" - 1 Cor 13:5.



Please explain what you mean by this "joy of life".
Explain also what you mean by "like him".



(a) Please explain how perfection could be sold out and a perfect man can sin. If perfection can become less perfect, explain how we can trust God to remain perfect and never fail of expectation of fulfillment of His Promises and obligations.

(b) Justify your statement that the first Adam was a perfect man by the Scriptures.

(c) You seem to be implying in the last paragraph that it was God that Jesus had to buy back the perfection from. Disregarding the difficulties in the assumptions upon which your answer is based, reconcile God's taking back perfection from Adam with "God's gifts and His call are irrevocable" - Rom 11:29. If my understanding concerning the last paragraph is wrong, then indicate from whom Jesus was to buy back man's perfection.

(d) Please explain the Justice of God in sending His "perfect son", who was not God and therefore not responsible for creation, to take responsibility for creation's failure. If God is just, why does He lay upon an entity the moral responsibility rightly belonging to another entity both of whom are in the same moral position before God?

(e) What was this relationship that we had with God that got damaged? How did the Death of Jesus Christ suffice to repair it?



(a) Per the two bolded statements, please provide the Scriptures upon which they are founded.

(b) Please explain how the presence or absence of a name affects the personality of an entity.

(c) Finally, show that John 16:13-15 does not satisfactorily explain why the Holy Spirit is little known as to its/his own personality.

imagine!
Why not tell me what animal blood has to do with the sins of the sons of israel?

Was it the animal that commited the sin?
Oh! You are asking what kind of justice is that? Ask God.

Did you not hear that the law was a shadow of things to come?

Are you not aware that the bible said "without blood being pored there is no 4giveness of sin?

InFact this are too elementry for me to come on net and start typing, go read your bible instead of following tradition.

I think every one knows what a ransom is,
go read romans from start to finish,

just as Adam was the first man created on earth so is Jesus the first born of all creation (that is the first born of things created)

bamto: Knowing him is what is fundamental not necessarily knowing (all) about him. Now, why would we pray in Jesus' name? Why would Thomas and many others call him 'my Lord and my God' if he weren't God?

now your position clearly shows the danger of trinity. It has led to the removal of the name of almighty Yahweh and replace it with the title lord in some bible so that you cant make the difference.

Though this name appeared over 7000 times in the original manuscript.

My sympathy though.

I just wish that God will see things from your own point of view.

But unfortunately Jesus said he will denied people not minding there powerful works.
Peace

Ihedinobi: Now I am beginning to wonder if you're being deliberately annoying.

STOP ASKING ME QUESTIONS AND ATTACKING A POSITION THAT IS UNAVAILABLE TO YOU. Answer my questions first. I am going to ignore you henceforth if thinking logically proves too hard a task for you. You got on this thread to respond to my opening post. Either respond to it or quit trying to drag me into your frivolous merry-go-round.

When your head settles from all that buzz and you get around to fixing the difficulties that I have indicated as associated with your position as I perceive it, if I do not accept your explanations, then and only then can you reasonably ask me for better ones. Until you do so, I'll pay no mind to you.

my friend, i consider you a honest person.
Honestly speaking, is Ijawkid talking as some one drunk?

Hmmmmm! Surprise me there,
well, other readers of this thread should pls see and Judge who is being honest with the use of words.

Do you know what is call slander? It is a very bad thing, it is what satan did and got his name.

Are you trying that to defamed this guy? watched it.

He showed you a scripture that says that Jesus will hand over the kingdom to God, so that God will be everything to every one.

Are you saying God will hand over the kingdom to himself? 1cor15 read all.

Instead of answering this clear statement you accuse him of being drunk.
At a closer look who deserved to be called drunk?

Does emotions make the scriptures? God will not bend to suite your position, God dont fear face. it is human that should bend, majority does not carry the vote with God.
Note, lives are at stake.
Peace

[quote author=Mr_Anony]^^^^^^ @Ijawkid and Freksy,

As I said, you will have to deny a lot of scripture to hold on to your stance. You even go to the point of allowing for two "Gods" in the bible one "Mighty" and the other "Almighty" (Blasphemy watch)

I could keep throwing scripture at you all night but now I know it will be futile because you'll just come up with another shoddy explanation.

I give up. I really can't help you guys[/quote]Guy,
you know you are my guy, i like you for you patience.

Ok, now, talking of number of Gods mentioned in the bible?
let me add another, 2cor 4:4

now that is another mention of a god.
That this scripture calls that fellow god does not means that it detract from the almighty position as the only one true god?

Guy, note note note that anyithing that receive a worshipfull honor is entitle to the title god, but we know that there is only one true God.
Peace

ijawkid: So john 17:5 supports d trinity??

Abi I dey dream??

Lol.....

The same way the Father glorifies the son is the same way the son glorifies his disciples....

What ever happens between The Father and the son is what the son extends to us humans as well....

U had better start adding us to the trinity formular....

U barely understand context and scriptural explanations.......

##The Father glorifies the Son,the Son glorifies disciples......I still dÓnt know if u've read thru those verses I gave u....

##The Father and the son are one.....the Son and his disciples are one.......

The relationship goes on.....

##The Father is greater than the Son,The son is greater than man.....1 corinthians 11:3......


It goes on and on......

Why would Jesus be begging his Father to glorify Him if he was part of a formular that shows that He is the Father or equal to the Father....

Why would Jesus even pray in the 1st place??

It is d trinity doctrine that has so much discrepancies.....not long ago we spotted a verse that was added by trinitarians just to support there pagan stance.....

It only takes a false or spurious verse in d bible to support a false doctrine....

As easy as ABC.......

Truth is light just asked every one here to show us where in the bible the holy spirit was called a God or God........

U have a lot to prove my bro......

Ur just struggling to prove what constantine and his crew started....

Ona go tire very soon......

There's one more thing...

I was recently baffled to find out that just as our( mans) existence is dependent on Jesus,so also Jesus's existence is dependent on His God and Father...


Abi no be wetin john 6:57 talk??




#New International Version (©1984)
Just as the living Father sent me and I live
because of the Father, so the one who feeds
on me will live because of me.

#New Living Translation (©2007)
I live because of the living Father who sent
me; in the same way, anyone who feeds on me
will live because of me.

#English Standard Version (©2001)
As the living Father sent me, and I live
because of the Father, so whoever feeds on
me, he also will live because of me.


There is 1 reason Jesus lives....

And u know the reason....

Like wise for us to live we too as humans must depend on Jesus.....

Yahweh-----Jesus-------man........


Now that's d chain bro..........

It seems man is part of the trinity....

I can't wake up 1 day and assume that we humans is Jesus Christ.....

That'll be madness!!!!!!!!!!!

guy you are too much,
salute you as a COMMANDER on nairaland religious forum.
Men, you are so hot!