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Kay 17: And what does this genocide say about Christian morality?

Do you really think that christians are fools that cant really read inbetween the lines ?

Stop the delusion, justice is justice, there has been no time that Yahweh said that he will not pay people according to their deeds.

You are trying to patronise the simpleton.

you are ignoring your limitation to the drawing of certain conclusions even with hindsight.

Kay 17:
However Saul's genocide had no moral connection to the preservation of the Messiah. If Saul had decided not to destroy the Amalekites, neither the Messiah nor his ancestors would have been in danger.

And what does this genocide say about Christian morality?

^^^

your conclusion at best is a function of ignorance even at this point in time.

Just to mention an instance :

Haman that lived in the kingdom of king Ahasuerus, (this is Ahasuerus which reigned, from India even unto Ethiopia, over an hundred and seven and twenty provinces: )" (Esther 1:1).

He was an Amalekites, and almost succeeded in terminating the nation of Israel that was in captivity in that kingdom, but for a last minute intervention that help the Israelites to survive and Haman killed an amalekite would have attained their live long Goal, > destroying the nation of Israel.

You guys have a lot to catch up on

Fhemmmy: Conscience with a quiz of fun? Haba

more like a pharisee will say.

So, Who is the pherisees that are about to detract from this exciting learning excersis ? Lol.

"Conscience" as though the wining is all that matters.

So we should let a question sleep over night for lack of answers right ? Na !

Let the answer come, it does not matter how.

Anyway, i think it was just a suggestion. Let the answer flow in from all sources please.

See ya.

modelmike7: Sister Truthislight, you've been here for d past 2hours wit us but you haven't answered any question! Why now? Too many fast fingers i guess? Atleast just say something na!! Even a simple hello will do!!! Common . . . . .

Lol. How do you know it is a 'sister' ?

Anyway, am a good learner, so i just wish to learn from you and the rest of the fastest fingers. Great work to you all.

Am enjoying it. Keep the ball rolling.

Logicboy03: FALSE

Na you get your mouth !

You can say whatever you like, it does not change the facts.

Can you prove that the slave from Egypt struck the Amalekites first ? No.

Keep feeding whatever you are feeding, e consine you.

Na fly way no gree hear something na him dey follow dead body for coffin enter grave.

Logicboy03: The Isrealites had no army?





Kindly explain how men with swords that annihilated a city of people are not an army?




Furthermore, why did Yaweh send the isrelaites to Amalekite lands?

The slaves from Egypt on their way to the promise land were attacked at Rephidim by the Amalekites. Simples !

That they later had an army is not under debate.

Besides, the issue here is that, unprovoked the Amalekites struck the Israelites first. simple.

Every other thing is secondary.

Judas2013: The verse did not say they had no army. If you read from verse one,they had already killed thousands of troops.

Stay on 'topic'.

Better still read the OP.

Lol at your ID.

'Judas' 2013#.

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Judas2013: Judges 1:19

"So the Lord was with Judah. And they drove out the mountaineers, but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the lowland, because they had chariots of iron"

Was The Lord physically with them? And yet he couldn't conquer an army with a chariot of iron? Bible is so revealing! . God created them and now he is fighting them. Lol

Moses did not enter the promise land.

When the Alekites attacked the Israelites at Rephidim moses was their leader.

Then they had no army when the Amalekites attacked them.

You are pointing out something after Joshua have taken over.

Stay on the topic

Logicboy03: See selective bible reading. What were the isrealites doing in Amalekite lands?

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The whole Israelite community set out from the Desert of Sin, traveling from place to place as the Lord commanded. They camped at Rephidim, but there was no water for the people to drink. 2 So they quarreled with Moses and said, “Give us water to drink.”

Moses replied, “Why do you quarrel with me? Why do you put the Lord to the test?”
(Exodus 17;1)


"Then Amalek came and fought with Israel in Rephidim. And Moses said unto Joshua, Choose us out men, and go out, fight with Amalek: to morrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the rod of God in mine hand (Exodus 17;
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From an unbiased point of view, the Isrealites were sent to Rephidim by God for no other reason than to kill the Amalekites. Tell me, who wouldnt attack hungry looking people with an army that just appeared in your land? What were the isrealites doing in Rephidim in the first place?

^^^

The Israelites where slaves in Egypt and from Egypt and had no "army" at Rephidim.

They where even thirsty and combining when the Amalekites attacked them.

After the attack moses ask Joshua to go and fight them.

Judas2013: Was that all they did that warranted the killing of innocent Amalekites,including babies ? What would Jesus had done huh?

Read up on the post above and upgrade.

What was done to them was exactly what they did to the Israelites.

Kay 17: ^^^

Yet what is the enduring Christian moral from the story? Retaliation or crude justice?

Dont miss the purpose of the reason why Yahweh was with the Israelites at the first place, it was to produce the messiah that will reconcile man back to God.

See the promise Yahweh made to Abraham:

"by means of your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because you have obeyed my voice." (Genesis 22:18).
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That ^ was the reason that Yahweh remained with the Israelite as to extract the seed that will bring blessing to all of mankind.

That is the reason that the other nations hated the Israelites since their God(satan) does not want the messiah to be produced.

The standard that man hence will relate with Yahweh after the reconciliation was to be given by this messiah, after Yahweh had abandoned mankind generally in the garden of eden after the fall.

But befor the coming of the messaiah, repeated effort were made to destroy the means of producing the messaiah > the 'nation of Israel', all Yahweh did was to ensure the survival of the Nation of Israel untill the messaiah was extracted and he hands off.

Kay 17: ^^^

Yet what is the enduring
Christian moral from the story? Retaliation or crude justice?

There will have been no "christian moral" if Yahweh had not ensured that the messaiah was extracted from the nation of Israel as promised to Abraham.

It was to ensure that mankind have what you call 'enduring christian morals' those actions were taken.

It is this Messaiah that exterblished christianity and gave the higher standard that you so talked about.

And the massaiah said that all he taught was given to him by Yahweh.

Satan had reasons to attempt the destruction of the messaiah, since the messaiah is to eventually destroy him:

"And the LORD God said to the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon your belly will you walk, and dust will you eat all the days of your life: And I will put enmity between your seed and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; it shall bruise you on the head, and you will bruise him in the heel. (Genesis 3:14-15).
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That ^ meant an eventual destruction to satan in the future and as such, he made effort to destroy the 'seed' > 'the messaiah' and prevent him from coming.

The whole story of the OT all centered around the coming of the messaiah and from which lineage.

Logicboy03:
Quote the sins the Amalakites comitted to deserve annihilation. As if the isrealites were any better. Read your bible. Please.

So you dont know that Amalekite attached the sons Israel without provocatn at Rephidim without provocation in the wilderness ?

When the sons of Israel were coming out of Egypt ? Smh.

That they attacked the Isralite when they had no army as a nation yet ?


Smh.

See :

"Then Amalek came and fought with Israel in Rephidim. And Moses said unto Joshua, Choose us out men, and go out, fight with Amalek: to morrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the rod of God in mine hand. So Joshua did as Moses had said to him, and fought with Amalek: and Moses, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill. And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed. But Moses’ hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun. And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword. And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven." (Exodus 17:8-14).

"Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD." (1 Samuel 15:1).

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way,(ambushed Israel) when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and asss." (1 Samuel 15:2-3).

"Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.
And Samuel said, As your sword had made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal." (1 Samuel 15:32-33).


Simple justice payed back in the same coined.

Logicboy03:
Quote the sins the Amalakites comitted to deserve annihilation. As if the isrealites were any better. Read your bible. Please.

Smh.

Is it all killing of humans that is bad ?

Is it not the justification that determines it ?

If humans can determined that ^,
Who is the final abiter where the giver of life is concern ?

Did not the Amalikite commit all that befell them against the Israelite ?

Is justice no longer balanced again ?

#This train has failed breaks!!!

*Childs play*

Ishilove: Lmao!!

Leave Toba. He is just jealous that Striklymi is doing what he loves doing here on this thread.

toba: read my response above. I dont have serious issues with pple online. I just want you to get busy with other important things. onugo?

Hypocrite !

What are you doing here ? Is this typing and posting the "more important thing" you are doing ?

How is that ^ different from what Striklimi is doing ?

[quote author=Mynd_44] WTF? I can't believe someone can't actually give this in response to that.

The mod will be chosen when it is and the reason is so that the right person is chosen. No one has the time to repeat this in a month time cos they hurried it.[/quote]

smh.

[quote author=Mynd_44]So you saw one post where I say I don't wanna be rude and that's it? OMG....this dude is great. You'd be great for comic relief I swear.

The rest are a whole pile of crap....which you need to get a grip of.

Did you just say everyone has access to my activities on NL? You should add dellusional to your CV. It defines you perfectly well

what else did you mention sef? I guess it got lost in the bla bla bla I was hearing[/quote]men you are imature to moderate this section!

[quote author=Mynd_44]Oh you got number 1 right bro...clap for yourself.

Number 2 is......none of your business.

Number 3 is something you imagined dude. I don't try not to be rude, that's silly

Number 4 is somethings else cos not you are devising, you said I spent more time in literature than music....shows you to be a horrible statistician dude. Admit it and move on.

Number 5 etc is just hilarious. [/quote]yeah. ^, here comes the new mod.

Its none of our business!!!

#we floor members#

striktlymi: This is not about making hasty decisions. JeSoul just got a good word put in for her and she was made mod; and to this day, she has been the best mod I have interacted with. At least she is not RUDE !!!

^^^

yeah, it is possible for a mod not to be 'rude', i almost forgot.

@Jesoul was not rude.

Just Saying "am a born again" is no guarantee for a polite mod am afraid.

On top that ^, you are almost over 90% certain of landing a bigot.

Tgirl4real: I love freedom of speech myself and that is why I expressed mine. It's not about favouring anyone, but about making the admin and the whole process look inefficient without actually having true facts.

He said they were silent and I mentioned that the entire process isn't as simple as he made it sound, still he still went on discrediting the whole process.

And ermm...being a mod doesn't mean you will be or must be liked by everybody. So, I take no offence if you think I won't be a good mod here.

If all this processes does not produce 'perfect' mod, why not just give to us those we want ?

Sometimes, the Devil you know is better than the angel you dont know.

@Seun.

For once, just give us those the majority picked.

The mods are not perfect afteral.

Thanks.

Tgirl4real: that's why I offered you the apology down below it. You need to hear the truth. It's not about Mynd, but about your wrongs statistics and conclusion.

Secondly, I repeat, you CANNOT say the process is slow if you don't know how long it takes normally.

I am more familiar with Mynd BTW, so I know you got your info wrong.

Thanks. Later.

Yeah, its ^ very obvious.

However, is all this that you are feeding us not your personal opinion ? Smh.

*i thought all this old processes that produced you as a mod had produced perfect mods*

smh

[quote author=Mynd_44]I actually enjoyed your analysis of me. It was a breath of "fresh air" not GET oooooo but you got a lot of things wrong. Very wrong.

You guys seem to think because someone does not comment on a section he/she is not active there hence your deduction that I am not active on the music/radio section......I laugh in Swahili (moderation is not about making comments)

Lemme guess, you went through my (maximum) last ten pages of posts and made your assumptions. Lemme see, that's 320 posts out of +50,000 posts. That makes you a horrible statistician.

I am leaving to get married? Wow..........word really travels round oooo. Do you want me to send you asa ebi?

you said you did not have to be a mod to pull those out and that's where you are wrong cos mods has access to a lot more history and that's why people should leave the selection process to moderators.

your analysis was wrong.....very wrong bro.

I think I would stay in this section for a while. Y'all are rather comical [/quote]Are you implying ^ that those doing the job of chosing the mod are not efficient since they have access to more info and yet the process is dragging ?

But it is obvious that many here dont know your bias and hence trust becomes an issue.

Why not start posting more regularly then for a start ?

Tgirl4real: Who made you a judge BTW? Did you set any process in place that you are judging the process by?

You are not involved in the selection process, so, how can you determine if it's inefficient or not.

Stop constituting a nuisance already and let people do thier job without further harassment from you.

The last time I checked, no one appointed you to oversee this matter.
And I'm sorry if I came across as
rude.

Have a lovely week ahead.

Yeah, you are ^. And we had thought you will have made a Good mod.

I hope you are not trying to project just your personal preference on a public forum.

Dont you like people to freely expressed themselves ?

We like freedom of speech here, that is actually the beauty of this place.

^

we have different kind of people in the congregation, some are family men with children, and some are like paul and the apostles that followed full time.

The young rich man hard an opurtunity of being an apostle of christ and he lost it.

Some people started at the first hour, some fourth hour, some last hour but were all paid the same thing.

The widows might is the christian standard > her best. However, how ones heart impels the person.

A christian is to work hard to have a enough for himself, And what to give to others.

Your taking an exclusive scenario and applying it as a "standand for all christians" is fales.

The army officer coneliuse that peter preached to did not sell "all" his property to be a christian.

You have to go to extremes to justify tithing for christians.

That is always the problem with tithe collectors.

If the apostles did not forgot to apply it as a standard for christians, i dont know why you have to.

Christianity deals with the heart as opposed to creeds and has to do with ones love of God from the heart, hence, "as ones heart impels him".

No one is saying that a christian should not give money to the congregation, but rather, not a function of written creeds but a function of ones love of God > as the heart impels the person > love of God. Simple.

You better stop twisting the word of God to justify your tithe. Smh. Is Christianity all about money ?

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they should give us a familiar face less they appoint a bigot here as a mod.

Religion is too passion driven for we not to make sure of the bias of the new mod.

All it takes a bigot to deal unjustly with people in a forum is to simply ignore some people and and their complaints and later claim ignorance.

We need people that have debated there views here in this section and we know them, yet they are not bigoted.

thehomer: Take the time to read what I actually wrote about your post. I said it was rambling. If you wanted to be serious, you should have simply given a summary rather than just rambling.

Na you get your mouth!

truthislight: Which part of that ^ is not understandable

Is it the scriptural references or what ?

Can someone help me out hear ? Maybe, just maybe, i am extremely slow. I need help !

are fraud stars and ignorant people putting on a straight face on this forum ?

truthislight: Exactly what is the intent of this your question i dont know, is it a genuine quest or an intent to 'mockl' thinking the soil is fertile ? I cant really say.

However, setting things straight for the record is what i feel is necessary.



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picking out scriptures haphazardly is not a rational thing for one to do, not if one slightly have the mind that this 'God' is slightly intelligent and will not do things without a reason.

But you, am afraid that some how in your mind is a done conclusion that "nothing good can come out of Nazareth".

You somehow thinks that Yahweh is "foolish". Smh.

If the reason for destroying the world in Noah's day was to absolutely obliterate evil (though Noah was still an imperfect son of Adam that can make mistakes) and not to destroy a world inwhich super natural being and their offspring caused a lot of violence :

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
"And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them." (Genesis 1-7).
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If that ^ was not the reason why Yahweh destroyed that world, can you please tell me how this prophesy below will have come to pass since it had not yet had fulfilment befor the flood ? :



"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." (Genesis 3:15).
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That ^ finally fulfilled in Jesus.

If Yahweh's intentions was what you said, how would that prophesy about the seed of the woman(the messiah) have come to pass ?

You should answer, cause you are the one that made the deduction of what Yahweh's failed intention was.

If you cant answer, who then is the foolish one then ? You! No ? !

Which part of that post ^ is not understandable or incomprehensible

Is it the scriptural references or what ?

Can someone help me out hear ? Maybe, just maybe, i am extremely slow. I need help !

thehomer: @ truthislight

I really don't see the point of your rambling. Please try to write concise responses.

How can i write another "responds" since your comprehension is this bad ?



It will be a waste of my time and effort.

Peace.