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BERNIMOORE: LIE! BIG TIME LIE,

OK, YOU CHANGE TO USE OF SERVANT? YOU WILL MEET ME THERE; you are going to be tired of yourself with enough evidence you cant shove aside. here we go;

JESUS WAS GODS SERVANT RIGHT THERE IN HEAVEN, THIS IS OLD TESTAMENT ISAIAH ACCOUNT TESTIFIES JESUS IN SPIRIT FORM AS A SERVANT. dont think i have only malachi 3:1,

Again you fail to use the bible,

but here is old testament proof;

Isaiah 42:1-6 kjv

42[size=18pt] “Behold! My Servant whom I uphold,[/size]
My Elect One in whom My soul delights!
I have put My Spirit upon Him;
He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles
2 He will not cry out, nor raise His voice,
Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed He will not break,
And smoking flax He will not quench;
He will bring forth justice for truth.
4 He will not fail nor be discouraged,
Till He has established justice in the earth;
And the coastlands shall wait for His law.”
5 Thus says God the Lord,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it,
Who gives breath to the people on it,
And spirit to those who walk on it:
6 [size=18pt]“I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness,
And will hold Your hand;
I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people,
As a light to the Gentiles,[/size]

these statements were made to jesus for Gods sake, while in heaven in spirit form when God could have said 'O God the son'

but rather God used my servant,

[size=18pt] “I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness,“Behold! My Servant whom I uphold...bring forth justice to the Gentiles[/size]

compare this to what the spirit angel said to john when john wanted to show a sign of respect by bowing;

revelation 22:9;

"And he saith unto me, See thou do it not

[size=18pt]I am a fellow-servant with thee[/size] and with thy brethren the prophets, and with them that keep the words of this book: worship God".


if Angel are Gods servant

And God was calling jesus above 'servant' not yet here on EARTH but BUT RIGHT THERE IN HEAVEN,

what further proof do you want to be convinced that, jesus as Gods servant in heaven RIGHTLY FITS IN YOUR EARLIER SAY THAT ANGELS ARE SERVANTS.

AND IF GOD CALL JESUS 'servant' not yet here on EARTH but still RIGHT THERE IN HEAVEN,

it shows that jesus is A SPIRIT SERVANT ANGEL/MESSENGER/SERVANT NOT equal with GOD, Evidence above said it all.



malachi 3:1 'messenger/Angel of covenant' in heaven

isaiah 42:6 'servant and covenant to the gentiles'

i will still not be surprised if you change this topic as usual,NOTE what we are discussing now was that jesus was never GODS SERVANT RIGHT THERE IN HEAVEN.

OYA CHANGE TOPIC AS USUAL AND DIVERT OYAAAA

@ BERNIMOORE.

Make i Join you laugh small. Lol.

Logicboy03: Knowledge of the future with certainty is predestination........better read sime philosophy

Better read what Yahweh says are his mode of dealing with humans.

That humans have a choice to decide what to do and what happens to them based on their choices:

"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." (Joshua 24:15).

^
Predestination my foot.

Mr Troll: is this a no then? your bible god is NOT omniscient?

Wetin consign agberoo with overload

Wetin consign nonbiblical word with Yahweh ??

@ Moderators.

Please, this post is very much out of context and unrelated to the thread it was posted in.

Can you please hide that unrelated post on that thread ?

See it here :

Empiree: Reported in the Hadith of Prophet Muhammad ( God's Blessing and Peace be upon him) the Muhammad said that one day Jesus the son of Mary(God's Blessing and peace upon him) was walking by grave of a man. He stopped and commanded the dead man to wake up. When the man woke up, Jesus said to him "Ya Abdullah ( O servsnt of God), in what condition are you and how long have you been here?. The man replied "I have been here for hundreds of years and I am being punished. What have you been punished for ya Abdullah? Jesus asked. He said "I have been punished for uncleanliness. After I had intercourse with my wife I don't wash or (even if I washed I had no intension}. At some point after I used the bathroom, urine is on my pant". This narration was told by prophet Muhammad to his companion.
Also in the time of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), he was walking by grave and heard a man being beaten in his grave. He stopped and commanded the dead to wake up ( i:e give live to the dead). What have you been punished for? the man said I never used to clean after myself. I had urine,on my pant and for this I am being punished for hundred of yrs. O prophet of God, pray to God that He might forgive me"

This narration teaches about cleanliness.

https://www.nairaland.com/1403841/why-jesus-son-god-not/12#17836400

Thanks.

Mr Troll: @truth is light ("is your God Omniscient ?" ) i just need a yes or no?

my bible in no place used that ^ word to described my(Bible God) God.

Point out where and what you are refering to in the bible so that i can understand what you are trying to say.

Imputting human philosophy does not concern me nor the bible.

Reyginus: Lololol. I give up.

Lol.

smh. NL. Anything can happen. .

I dont envy moderating this section. Lol.

(Ezekiel 18:12-20).

12 “Therefore you, O son of man, say to the children of your people: ‘The righteousness of the righteous man shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression; as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall because of it in the day that he turns from his wickedness; nor shall the righteous be able to live because of his righteousness in the day that he sins.’ 13 When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. 14 Again, when I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ if he turns from his sin and does what is lawful and right, 15 if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has stolen, and walks in the statutes of life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 16 None of his sins which he has committed shall be remembered against him; he has done what is lawful and right; he shall surely live.

17 “Yet the children of your people say, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ But it is their way which is not fair! 18 When the righteous turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he shall die because of it. 19 But when the wicked turns from his wickedness and does what is lawful and right, he shall live because of it. 20 Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ O house of Israel, I will judge every one of you according to his own ways.”

(Ezekiel 18:12-20).

Logicboy03: If your future is already known, then you have no freewill. You are just on the path that God chose

How does God 'knowing everything that is happening' equate to his 'predestining all humans' ?


"At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them." (Jeremiah 18:7-10).

aManFromMars: 1 JOhn 3:20
If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything

^

that is talking about God's forgiveness.

If someone that has repented or that made a mistake is regrating it and his heart still troubles him with guilt, that he should trust God that he is 'greater than the heart' of man and understand our weaknesses and will forgive.

Hence, that ^ should encourage the individual to keep on the good fight and continue doing what is good:

"Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him. For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are 'dust' ." (Psalm 103:13-14).

DrummaBoy: Haba truth, take am easy now

That guy supports exploitation too much !

Alfa Seltzer: Can somebody please delete this thread and warn the OP. https://www.nairaland.com/1413128/why-devil-hates-how-response#17828988

The thread is offensive and insulting to Satanists. It is full of lies and false accusations. It seeks to demonise we peace loving followers of Satan. It broke rules 2, 3, 7, and 8.

How would christians and muslims feels if I go about posting that jesus amd mohamed are pure evil?

Ajibam, that you are a mod does not dispense you from following basic rules of social decorum and other rules of Nairaland.

lol. Smh. this NL must be a mad house. Hehehe.

Imagine !

Logicboy03: Mr. Troll......you must clap for this guy’s evasive tactics! Are you trolling or what?

Doesnt your bible say that God knows everything?

What has that ^ to do with "freewill" ?

Logicboy03: https://i.imgur.com/AViDcN1.jpg

That means mac will have been very conversant with the bible in quiz questions.

well, how shall i know. Lol.

Bidam: NAIRALANDERS YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN JUDAS IS ALWAYS AROUND THE CORNER.

Sharrap !

Mr Troll: is your god omniscient or not?

The bible is my guide.

If the word is not in the bible, am not interested in words humans coin and gives definition they like.

Peace

aManFromMars: For muskeeto, click like

Some people no like your rebranding.

Is rebranding a bad thing ? Smh.

Logicboy03: First of all, I am defending history, not the catholic church. The historical fact is that catholics compiled the bible

Secondly, one cant leave the catholic church

-your baptismal record will always be counted during summations of catholic numbers in the country or worldwide.
-unfortunatelty, the only available burial for me is between a choice of traditional pagan or catholic.........you knoew the preferable choice
-the catholic church has swag....richest of church with many influential peeps.....need it for business connections

smh.

Logicboy03: Your problem is that you are theologically/scripturally mature but not philosophically mature.


Quoting scripture does not. solve the contradiction between omniscience and freewill

you lost me there ^.

Is the word Omniscience in the bible ?

Logicboy03: Lol.....the pig enjoys rolling in filth


Just like the op enjoys rolling in lies so that he can put his minstry on equal footing with the catholic church in the history of xtianity......I expected Italo not to engage.

Play with a pig abd you get filthy

lol, this is extremely funny o

an atheist being so extremely passionate about the "genuine church".

the Joke of the year.

Yeah ! Talking about 'freewill'

Logicboy03: God who knows everything but gives
freewill can not (exist)

(Jeremiah 18:7-10).

"At the instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck it up, and to pull it down, and to destroy it; If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
And at the instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build it and to plant it; If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them." (Jeremiah 18:7-10).
.............

Dose not ones actions count ?

I just hope this thread does not turn to one of those lengthy once at this rate.

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).....
...........

Lol.

"Cat and mouse" thing going down here.

It is simply saying that there is no one anywhere that have ever deserve what Jesus is. > an only 'begotten' son.

(Nowhere ! Heaven or earth)

benalvino: a trailer = car does not make a trailer an SUV
Both are called car but they are different kind of cars... if angel = messenger is your reason to put messenger there instead of angel... I want you to tell me how to know if hebrew is in reference to humans or the angels the question still comes

when the passage says messenger, what is it talking about as you say it is the correct translation
1: spirit like Gabriel
2: humans like elijah
3: pigeon

if he can answer this question then we can go on...

the funny thing is that he likes picking bible that has the wrong translation... the other 2 bibles that translate Malachi as angel that he claimed to be the most accurate because it thought they are older than King james didnt translate this passage as messenger... suddenly those are not accurate again but this YLT version which is the only bible that puts messenger there...

you people just like to look for wrong things that makes you guys look like you really have an argument...

The Question Which of the messenger is this [size=18pt]YLT[/size] version talking about... the Host in Heaven? or the humans on earth?

oga truthislight can you answer this... please give me a direct answer.

guy, you get plenty problem o, see how you dey stress your life.

All because of >>>>> TRINITY. Smh. Na Ona sabi !

benalvino: You want to start swimming in your confusion again... By the time we will know you will start saying animals are prophets... Like you say animals are sons of men.

We was talking about the angels... Simple. you cant deny that...

I dont understand you here ^.

Can you say what is wrong with this translation if the word angel = messenger :

BERNIMOORE: [size=14pt]Hebrew 1:5(YLT)

For to which of the messengers said He ever, 'My Son thou art -- I to-day have begotten thee?' and again, 'I will be to him for a father, and he shall be to Me for a son?'[/size]

BraveGuy: The support of twisting Scriptures and ascribing a name/title given to a fallen angel to God is a serious matter!

Matthew 12:24 tells us, "But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow does not cast out demons, but by Beelzebub the prince of the demons."

Beelzebub - "lord of the flies" or "lord of the (heavenly) dwelling"

You think it's okay to attribute such name/title to Christ?

Nonsense !

Shining one is the right word there at Isaiah, i dont know when 'Lucifer' became a name God Gave to satan.

Am leaving you since all you've got is emotions on this lucifer issue.

Peace

BraveGuy: A lie is a lie; deception is deception irrespective of the way it is dressed up.
Truth is never afraid - so I should be asking you, why are you so afraid that I challenged the falsehood of Obadiah?

I dont know what you are talking about.

Am here because of the word 'Lucifer'.

If you will not answer the simple question, then am done with you here.

truthislight: I dont know why you are so worked up !

Who gave satan the name 'Lucifer' ?

The bible or translators ?

and point out what the lie i have said in that ^ post please.

BraveGuy: So because Lucifer means "shining one" and it's specifically used for a son of God it means it is okay to use it for ALL the sons of God?

If I were to follow your thinking, then Gabriel, which means "God is my strength" or "strong man of God" can be used for any son of God, isn't it?

Also, following your logic, every son of God can be called The Son of God or Messiah as well.

If that is the case, then I ask, why bother with names for specific beings?

Why did the Angel with whom Jacob wrestled specific in changing his name from Jacob to Esau?
Why was Jesus Christ specific about giving an overcomer "the stone a new name written, which no man knows except him who receives it." (Rev 2:17)?

I can see that you're bent on so-called new wine of Obadiah in your new bottle without due diligence on your part - that is very okay with me, but don't try to defend half-truth or lies with poor logic!

While I respect your choice of what you want to learn or who to learn it from, you must also remember that Jesus Christ will NEVER be Lucifer and Lucifer will never be Jesus Christ. God remains as God and nothing comes close! The Son of God created ALL things for His pleasure and He does what He wills, however, He has not left us in darkness.

If you truly want to get some new wine, read from authors like Cecil Ducile or George Warnock (http://www.georgewarnock.com/feast-main.html) .... that will set you up in good-stead, not the one mixing truth with lies and confusion.

God Bless.

I dont know why you are so worked up !

Who gave satan the name 'Lucifer' ?

The bible or translators ?

obadiah777: why do the heathens rage lol. OK CALM DOWN YALL. TAKE A DEEP BREATH

you made me laugh.

BraveGuy: All I can read is more and more of spiritual pride!
That was exactly what made satan to fall and become a castaway!

Can you point out any comment of mine that points to pride ?

My interest here is the abuse of the word "Lucifer" which means 'shining one'.

If the BIBLE was not translated into english or so languages, the word we would have seen there(in the book of Isaiah14:12) is 'shining one, wish is not a deregotary word and can be used to praise any son of the almighty God.

It is you that needs to drop some of the lies you have come to accept as truth.

Peace

Mmmmmm !

Firstly, i wish to commend you for this your new approach of addressing issue without screaming. Well done !

Logicboy03: Lets say Nigeria is in the old testament times. Now Nigeria is the Sodom and Gommorah......men having child brides, corruption, blood money, armed robbery, oil bunkery............



Should God set Nigeria ablaze, killing men, women, children and livestock, just like he did to sodom and gommorah? Remember that we are talking about a hypothetical Nigeria in the old testament times

to your question, you have to know that God is not a man, as such his mode of execution cannot be same with that of men.

Again, befor the destruction of Sodom, there was a titchart with Abraham that led to the agreement that if there are 10 righteouse men in that city, he will not destroy it.

That ^ discussion with Abraham made certain things Clear, that he(God) has the full picture of every situation, far beyond that of man.

Abraham as a human had thought that there will definitely be at least 50 righteouse men in Sodom, but he was wrong and was seeing as a human as the evidence later made clearer.

Lot even made effort to convince some people to no avail, they where all the same, hence, the destruction of Sodom.

So, whose judgement should i come to trust ? Man's ? No !

God sees far beyond mortal humans and his judgements Are ever Perfect.

You can take that ^ to the bank.

Peace