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Christianity EtcRe: Anti-Deity of Yahshua: Please Kindly Help Frosbel Answer This by truthislight: 10:19am On Aug 08, 2013
Frank4YAHWEH: "None Have Seen the Father?

Jn. 5:37 applies only to the Jewish people to whom Yahshua spoke at that moment. The people who were present that day had never seen the Father's shape, nor heard his voice. A number of others have seen the form (shape or silhouette) of the Father, but not the features of his face. A few of these were Moses [Ex. 33:18-23; Nu.12:6-8]; seventy Elders of Israel (Ex. 24:10); Ezekiel, in visions (Ezek. Ch.1); etc. Millions (perhaps as many as 2 to 5 million) in Israel heard the voice of Yahweh when he spoke from the mountain top. They asked Moses to go near and hear Yahweh, as they did not wish to hear him more, lest they should die (Ex. 20:18; Deut. 5:22-28)."
SOURCE: http://frank4yahweh.xanga.com/760191381/various-thoughts-on-scriptures

One might also want to consider if it is more rewarding to literally see and hear FATHER Yahweh with our eyes and ears as opposed to seeing and hearing Him figuratively in the sense that one can understand His word.

BTW, I still do not believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth.
what you belief will not give any body eternal life.

It is 'only' what the bible says that matters.

As such, no one cares about "your beliefs".

Address John 1:18.

And also address why Jesus had asked the Jews why Devid called the messiah "my lord if the messiah is the son of Devid" ?

You cant be selling emotions to people and think it is normal.

You know when you have a case, the scriptures comes very handy.
Christianity EtcRe: Anti-Deity of Yahshua: Please Kindly Help Frosbel Answer This by truthislight:
Aside the astras that Benlvino may add to those quotes he posted up there, it is very pertinent that frobel should reconcile what ben has asked him since frosbel said Jesus 'never preexisted his birth'.

frosbel: So Jesus and John lied, people had actually seen GOD in the old testament, lol.


Mate quit you deception.

God is ONE Person, not THREE Persons.

wink
so, you should at least explain those scriptures in the light of this John 1:18.

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.".
(John 1:18).

Frosbel cant just be evasive all the time when he is asked questions about christ preexistance.

*My 2 cent*
Nairaland GeneralRe: Has Manmustwac Been Sacked? by truthislight: 9:37am On Aug 08, 2013
Logicboy03: Just shut up
^^^
Nairaland GeneralRe: Has Manmustwac Been Sacked? by truthislight: 9:36am On Aug 08, 2013
Alfa Seltzer: Truthfully, he was one of the better mods on NL. Others think that moderating = banning.
Mmw is a regular free and open guy, highly tolerant, maybe, he thought others(Seun) will be as tolerant as he his.

Meanwhile, i dont think it is a sack, but rather a suspension.

A sack will also mark out Seun as 'intolerant'.

A good father disciplines members of his household and not quick to expuls them.

Mmw is not a bad guy generally speaking
Nairaland GeneralRe: Has Manmustwac Been Sacked? by truthislight: 9:23am On Aug 08, 2013
manmustwac: @post
I foundout yesterday afternoon. Something to do with a reply i made to your post about mac hiding my comments. I said something that i shouldnt have said.
Ok.
Nairaland GeneralRe: Has Manmustwac Been Sacked? by truthislight: 9:21am On Aug 08, 2013
Logicboy03: I suspect that the issue with Maclatunji is responsible for Mmc’s sacking. Waiting for Seun to comment
But somehow, i think mmwc as a mod(management) has been rebelling against the system publicly recently.

Not saying he should be sacked though
Christianity EtcRe: OLAADEGBU, You Are Soiling DEEPER LIFE Reputation With Manipulation! by truthislight: 12:15am On Aug 08, 2013
BERNIMOORE: Any objection?
None !

It is the bible you are using.
Christianity EtcRe: Nairaland Bible Quiz-you can join anytime... by truthislight: 12:01am On Aug 08, 2013
Good Job Royally.

Very interesting. We are here to learn.

I think the bible also atleast included Joshua as one of those that 'left Egypt' and made it to the promise land, and considering that it was above 20yrs that will not make it.

Joshua became a leader of the people, maybe that is why the reference to Caleb can be considered as 'except' the leader Joshua, only Caleb made it.

It was also after the 12 spies returned(joshua and Caleb were among) that the 40yrs curse of wandering began because of rebellion. So, it did not take long from egypt befor the spies were sent out, Joshua was already a big boy then fighting war with Amalek.

Read below:

Royally: NEW QUESTION:
Who was the only Hebrew that left Egypt to be allowed by God to live in the land given to them?
Fhemmmy: Caleb
Royally: Correct! Fhemmmy wins and has 4 points. Deut. 1:36.
"So Joshua did as Moses had said to him, and fought with Amalek: and Moses, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill." (Exodus 17:10).

"And Joshua the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, which were of them that searched the land, rent their clothes:" (Numbers 14:6).


"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, How long shall I bear with this evil congregation, which murmur against me? I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel, which they murmur against me. Say unto them, As truly as I live, saith the LORD, as ye have spoken in mine ears, so will I do to you: Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me, Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun." (Numbers 14:26-30).


"Then the children of Judah came unto Joshua in Gilgal: and Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenezite said unto him, Thou knowest the thing that the LORD said unto Moses the man of God concerning me and thee in Kadesh-barnea. Forty years old was I when Moses the servant of the LORD sent me from Kadesh-barnea to espy out the land; and I brought him word again as it was in mine heart." (Joshua 14:6-7).


"For the LORD our God, he it is that brought us up and our fathers out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and which did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way wherein we went, and among all the people through whom we passed:" (Joshua 24:17).
...............

^^

Joshua should make it two i guess
Christianity EtcRe: Nairaland Bible Quiz-you can join anytime... by truthislight: 8:08pm On Aug 07, 2013
modelmike7: . . . . . . . They were 2. Joshua and Caleb.
This is very Interesting, is it 'only' or it will change to 'the two that left egypt' ?

We are watching.

cool
Christianity EtcRe: OLAADEGBU, You Are Soiling DEEPER LIFE Reputation With Manipulation! by truthislight: 9:48am On Aug 07, 2013
^^^

Dont mind the hypocrite.

Why is he not entering a taxi sef ?
Christianity EtcRe: Preachers Of L.A.’: New Reality Show Sparks Major Controversy Among Christians by truthislight: 9:19am On Aug 07, 2013
FrostyZonn: huh
cool
Christianity EtcRe: Preachers Of L.A.’: New Reality Show Sparks Major Controversy Among Christians by truthislight: 9:00am On Aug 07, 2013
FrostyZonn: What was this one on about?? Are you high, bro?
Sharrap !

Thief, Ole. Fraud star!

Go get a job and stop giving christianity a bad name.
Christianity EtcRe: Preachers Of L.A.’: New Reality Show Sparks Major Controversy Among Christians by truthislight: 8:51am On Aug 07, 2013
FrostyZonn: "Touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm". - Psalm 105:15

I was merely being a good Christian, Logie.
^
bad egg!

You need a job bro.

Some one once said:

Jesus was a carpenter.
Peter a fisher man .
Paul a tent maker.

But pastors ocupation > pastor huh

Get a life and stop being a parasite.
Have a life bro!
Christianity EtcRe: Anti-Deity of Yahshua: Please Kindly Help Frosbel Answer This by truthislight: 8:19am On Aug 07, 2013
Frank4YAHWEH: Yes, this verse refers to the sins that one personally commits in the past, not to the sins that Adam and Eve comitted in the past. cheesy
From the context of that scripture i know you are lost there, so, no need to waste my bandwidth on it.

Peace.
Christianity EtcRe: Anti-Deity of Yahshua: Please Kindly Help Frosbel Answer This by truthislight: 12:29am On Aug 07, 2013
why do people wish to tell themselves that we did not inherit the sin of Adam ? :


"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation sacrifice through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of "sins that occurred in the past", through the forbearance of God;" (Romans 3:25).
.................

Let no man forget that it is standing with the expressed word of LORD that leads to life eternal.:

"Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father who is in heaven. " (Matthew 7:21).
Christianity EtcRe: Best Religion Forum Topics by truthislight: 11:48pm On Aug 06, 2013
I just hope that young man is ok.
You never can tell what he meant.
Christianity EtcRe: One Slot Left For Heaven: Bill Gates Or ADEBOYE? by truthislight: 10:27am On Aug 06, 2013
sweetwater: So tell me if you are going to near the gate ?
It is not my place to decides where to go.

"And he said to them, You shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, it is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared for by my Father. " (Matthew 20:23).
...............

^
Even Jesus was humble to his limitation on this matter.

Why then should i be presumptiouse like Adeboye ?


But then, this is also what he said :

"Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. " (Matthew 5:3).

And this :

"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
" (Matthew 5:5).

Go figure those ^ out.
Christianity EtcRe: Nairaland Bible Quiz-you can join anytime... by truthislight: 10:07am On Aug 06, 2013
Divepen: PLEASE, WE ARE NOT TALKING
It is called a "quiz thread" not a talking thread.

Ask questions and you will get answers.

You are the op, you dont need anybody to appoint you to ask questions while others are delaying. Your own question COUNTS and keeps the thread going.

That you can hand it over once in a while does not take away the primary responsibility from you the 'op'.

Get started, when some one to take over comes, so be it.

Ask the question the way it suites your schedule, the-in-thing is the learning that comes from it and not just the winners.

More grease to your elbows.

Peace though.
Christianity EtcRe: Best Religion Forum Topics by truthislight: 8:58am On Aug 06, 2013
Yunisa001: am going
What do you mean by you are going ?

Going where ?
Christianity EtcRe: One Slot Left For Heaven: Bill Gates Or ADEBOYE? by truthislight:
tobechi20: Very difficult but if my vote were to determine who makes heaven ,
atheist bill gate or pastor ade
i will vote......






Atheist






because





1) Jesus came for non belivers.....doctor come for sick

2) atheist have always being wanting to meet God. This should be an oppurtunity

3) there are probably more pastors iin heaven and no atheist.so why add to d number

4) the devil u know is better than angel u dont know..trust me,pastors are unpredictable, support one issue today and kick against it tomorrow





*hides* plz dont stone me
Yeah! It is good to do good.

It is also good to have a good intentions for others.

But if this "entering heaven" is by any bit regulated, it becomes very pertinent to consider statements like this below and unravel the puzzles:

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of "water" and of the "Spirit", he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. " (John 3:5).
.....................

That ^ made me to ask if the thief beside Jesus will go to heaven since he was not born of :
"water" and of the "Spirit", .

Thinks ^ to ponder upon.
Christianity EtcRe: One Slot Left For Heaven: Bill Gates Or ADEBOYE? by truthislight:
Amazingnaira: Adeboye! because of his personality.
very certain, based on what Jesus and the bible says that Adeboye will not go near the gate of heaven.

Any one that thinks otherwise can take it up with me from the bible.

*Editted*
Christianity EtcRe: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight: 10:34pm On Aug 05, 2013
thehomer: Did I say they were atheists? Who said the Egyptians were atheists?
You are lost men!
Christianity EtcRe: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight:
thehomer: This is just an incoherent jumble of sentences. What point are you trying to make here? And can you do that in 2 or 3 sentences?
No need, it will still be a waste on you.

It is not the first time you have heard this line. No ?
Christianity EtcRe: OLAADEGBU, You Are Soiling DEEPER LIFE Reputation With Manipulation! by truthislight: 9:48pm On Aug 05, 2013
Rhymeyjohn: Its obvious that the op really has something to grind with pastor Kumyi. This is not an attempt to seek/know truth, or to question olaade.. It has gotten to the point of slander and casting apersions on the person of Pastor Kumuyi. This is not somthing a christian should not do to even an unbeliever, talkless of a fellow christian brother, worst still, a revered christian. I would advise the OP to stop it, and close the thread as it does not put both YOU and those you are accusing in any good light. The bible says LOVE works no ill (including writing dirty words) to his neighbour. For the sake of God, and his kingdom, seek peace(not anger), and pursue it. Be ye reconciled to God. Blessings
^

You and your man worship.

Who made him "Reverend" ? You see the problem we are talking about ?

Jesus said you all are brothers, but you call him "Reverend", what is the difference between him and the pherisees of Jesus day that love prominence but at the same time heap heavy loads on the common Israelites ?

Is there anybody that is above criticism ? Well, Jesus does not think so, he called the pherisees of his day that behaved like Kumuyi "hypocrites"!

By the way, is Kumuyi not doing exactly what those pherisees of Jesus day did ? >> going beyond what is written and heaping tradition of men on peoples shoulders thereby oversteping the commandments of God ?

At the same time being busy condemning other people based on his man made doctrines ? Why do you wish that such ^ should be covered up ?

This Oladegbu of a person that posted that fraudulent pictures, who groomed him ?

What did he feed him that made him to have a dead conscience ?

Is it not because he Kumuyi has a dead conscience that made him to keep collecting tithe from christians and asking christians to pay tithe ?

are christians supposed to pay tithe ?

all those he has train has a dead conscience and will not change irrespective of what you show them from the scriptures because Kumuyi has trained them not to lay emphasis on scriptures as the final truth, but rather on what he Kumuyi says.

What sort of legacy is that ^ ?

Did he forget this :

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father who is in heaven will. " (Matthew 7:21).

Even Jesus recognised that the word of God is final.

Let Kumuyi repent and free people under his bondage.
Simple !
Christianity EtcRe: OLAADEGBU, You Are Soiling DEEPER LIFE Reputation With Manipulation! by truthislight: 1:16pm On Aug 05, 2013
Pastor Kun: Supported the old baba should resign in shame due to his hypocritical stand and his putting the flock of God under his care under undue bondage.
^

dont mind the hypocrite who prevent people from being free and or using their money for any other thing but for tithe, offering and food so that he can collect their money and give some to his own son to hire limousine and do expensive wedding other members are forbidden from doing.

Meanwhile, he himself enjoys fine rich environment.

What do we call him then for giving people a heavier load other than Jesus light load ?

Is he :

1. Oppressive wolf or
2. A fine shepherd ?

You all have eyes, may the words of Jesus christ judge him.

Smh.
Christianity EtcRe: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight: 8:27pm On Aug 04, 2013
thehomer: Where did you read the Amalekite God saying anything like that?
Yeah! The Amalikite were atheist i forgot.

Just like the egyptians.
Christianity EtcRe: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight: 8:22pm On Aug 04, 2013
thehomer: Are you seriously considering what you're saying here? You're saying it is right that God commanded that all members of a tribe be killed because a few of them killed some people. Is this the correct judgement? Even human judges know better than to order that a murderer's wife and children also be killed because the man killed someone. All you're doing here is showing how evil and unjust this God of yours actually is.
Yeah, an eye witness account from you. No ?

Selective justice from you. No ?

Yeah! "Some people killed some people" indeed!
tell me more! it was not the national army of the Amalikite i guess that attacked the Jews, but "some people". Smh.

So that ^ justified it ? I see!

You can keep on feeding whatever you are feeding Dude.

"Killed some people" huh Interesting!

Now tell me, while this "some people" of the nation of Israel were being killed, in which nation was the remainder staying ?

Was it by any means possible that it was the whole nation that was being attacked and killed on their way in the wilderness ? And the nation could have been exterminated ?

Please mr "eye witness" account giver, fill in the blank spaces.

*sigh*

this seems like a waste of my time really.
Christianity EtcRe: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight:
Uyi Iredia: If God told you to kill your fellow human today, would you do it ? Whilst it's not all hard-and-fast, the events narrated in the Pentateuch confute the idea of an all-good God from whom no evil comes, for it is most clear those commands encouraged evil.
we have come a very long way then is it not ?

If "today", thousands of years later, after the person (messiah) that all those laws then were given to protect and give an enabling evironment has come and set things straight, you are and can ask me such ^, it makes it all the more very interesting.

Meanwhile, take note that the Amalikites obeyed the instruction from who ever issued it then.

I wander why you think your question is relevant "today".

Should i disobey the messiah that was the essence of it all
Christianity EtcRe: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight:
thehomer: I know what an eye for an eye means but does God know what it means? Did the 6 month old baby go out and kill someone? If not, why does God feel they must die?
Why did the Amalikite and their god feel that the Israelites men, women, children born and unborn, lives stock and all must die ?
Christianity EtcRe: Shocking: Pastor Infects Boy 14 With HIV/AIDS In Ghana by truthislight: 6:56pm On Aug 04, 2013
Yeah! I can marry anything, even a sheep, but does that make it right ?
Christianity EtcRe: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight: 3:05pm On Aug 04, 2013
thehomer: Are you saying that a 6 month old Amalekite baby deserved to die when God could have punished the parents and taken care of the child? Please answer this with a yes or no.
Why not ask about one month old baby also ?

It suite you to forget that the sentence was as a retribution for what they did to the sons of Israel on there way out of Egypt.

Go read about that account of what the Amalikite did to the Jews and come back and ask if the Amalikite had kill 0 month old baby in the worm. Smh.

Do you know what "eye for an eye" means ?
Christianity EtcRe: Increase In The Pastor's Caught In The Act by truthislight: 2:45pm On Aug 04, 2013
Evil Brain: These pastors need to travel to Vatican city, Rome to go and learn from the best.

They need to learn better ways to:
1. Molest children without being caught.
2. Cover up cases of child molestation whenever they are detected.
3. Settle victims and bribe their families to avoid lawsuits.
4. Move child molesting MOGs to a new areas as soon as people start suspecting them, thus prolonging their child molestation careers.
5. Protect their leaders from the long arm of the law.

The experts in Vatican city are the worldwide leaders in child molestation obfuscation. They can help stop all these embarrassing stories from showing up on Nairaland.
^

True talk.

But both are bad.

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