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Ajibam: It has been returned Naw

Oh ! Thanks a million my "Ogas at the top".

We appreciate it.

Peace

HumbledbYGrace: No!

Mmmmmm !

Then who did that ?


Please, anyone that removed it should please hear our cry and put it back.

Ajibam, is it you ? Please, see what you can do to stick it back.

Thank you.

obadiah777: i already promised to look into it sire

I will personally appreciate that. Thanks.

Wish to personally take it upon myself to keep asking for that thread to be returned.

If you or anyone should care to know, that thread dignified this section of the NL forum.

Peace.

obadiah777: well who determines which stickies are wrong sire ? what may be wrong to you may be right to the next man. ahhhhhhhh gotcha with that one huh lol

It created a library of threads that contains some useful arguments.

Buzugee guy, you as an old member should know better.

HumbledbYGrace: Do you always have to order mods around here? Demanding to know everything

That's a grain in the sand, it doesn't even have to grace the section.

are you the one that unsticked the "best religious thread" ?

If yes, do something about it cause it is a treasure chest to us.

I hope it was a temporary move though.
Peace

thehomer: This God is supposed to be a person isn't he? So merely saying that it is God is pointless unless you wish to commit the special pleading fallacy implying that God is some special person that morality doesn't apply to.
I've told you that I'm saying that because that is how we talk about evil people. That is why we say Charles Taylor, Hitler, Stalin etc were evil people.



You should have read my questions before you rushed to try to win the argument at all costs. I asked:





And this is your moral reason for justifying a genocide?



And this tells me that you're not ready for moral reasoning.



You're not playing hardball, you're abandoning moral reasoning to try to win an argument. Lying is very different from genocide.



There are minor lies and major lies but genocide, by its non-discrimination, places it in a different category. That is why I said:





This is a very sad response. So on what basis can you say that the Rwandan genocide was something wrong?



This line of questioning is irrelevant and frankly based on your responses with respect to genocide, I don't see any reason to continue this discussion with you. Apparently, you're having some difficulty with carrying out moral philosophy or you merely want to try to win an argument by abandoning views you actually hold. You accept that commanding genocide is evil yet you're trying to justify it with some pointless convoluted lines of reasoning.

This tells me that either you're willing to abandon views you actually hold as an attempt to win or you're not someone I'd like to have such a discussion with. Just as I won't bother discussing the problems of racism with a supremacist who refuses to be open to questioning their preumptions. Based on what you've been saying, you're simply not qualified or not ready to talk about these issues.

thehomer: This line of questioning is irrelevant and frankly based on your responses with respect to genocide, I don't see any reason to continue this discussion with you. Apparently, you're having some difficulty with carrying out moral philosophy or you merely want to try to win an argument by abandoning views you actually hold. You accept that commanding genocide is evil yet you're trying to justify it with some pointless convoluted lines of reasoning.

This ^ is plain dishonesty and your argument is an attempt to malign Yahweh being that you are an atheist that have plain hatred for the belief in God.

If we are to ask an Israelite that is aware that the Amalekite had attacked them when they were most vulnerable at Rephidim, killing innocent women, killing innocent children men and livesstocks without provocation and had repeated the samething at other occasions, WILL HE CONSIDER THE ACTION OF YAHWEH AS YOU AN ATHEISTS IS DOING ?

Infact, will someone that knows the details of what the Amalekites did to the israelite who is not an atheist or an ignorant atheist or a bias hater of Yahweh conclude biasedly like you are doing one sidedly without balancing things based on what the Amalekites did ?

^^

you be the judge as well as others.

You have been here making one sided statement out of an abnormal mind devoid of sound Judgment without ever considering what the Amalekites ever did to the Israelites, but can ask others to be honest, you, are you honest so far ?

Does not murder beget murder again ?

You that live over 4000years later an atheist devoid of facts comes out to speak from your immoral heart that cannot keep Yahwey's protective moral laws on sex due to lack of self control thinks that such feeble mind can assess YAHWEH ! smh. How can ?

If every thing was ok with your mind, and you have an iota of what impartial Judgement is, will you not have started by justifying what the Amalekites did to the Israelites befor proceeding to query YAHWEH's actions ?

But no, you just proceeded like a Llamma to vomit your hatred for the one that said he will destroy you if you dont live by his standard. How then can you demand honesty from someone else, are qualify to ask for such like you did above ?

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MostHigh: This guy didnt make any sense here.

just a definition will do.

anything else will be of the evil one

Since he could not answer a simple question, i rest my case then.

BraveGuy: No, you're the one who is misleading people with your mixed up presentations. You're just trying to confuse people because they doctrine you're presenting is incomplete and incompatible with genuine Scriptures.

God lives in eternity and He knew what He was doing when He made Lucifer to walk before Him as light bearer, God Himself is the Light; we are the light of world in this present life, but He says He will give some to become "morning stars" - not all.

Just remember that one day you will give an account of yourself and if anyone ends up in the eternal flames, their blood will be in your hands!

^^^

please, what is the meaning of the word "Lucifer" ?

soreola: Wont a voting (likes) system work as a means of making FP recommendations? Could make it a week-by-week thing

Why that ^ in a virtual forum ?

What happens to the minorities ? Smh for that kind of suggestions.

The rules of NL should guide FP pick. Every body should have a say.

benalvino: I give you thumbs up for this because you are close... and am glad that we are discussing like grown ups ones again without any trolling...

Now when you say human are by nature humans
we know that they are beings like the angels and YAHWEH
but human is use to differentiate us from angels and YAHWEH
so when one say we are humans by nature he is implying what is use to identify us and differentiate us from other beings or living creatures like animals

same Goes with the angels... Once i say angel you will know the class of beings i am addressing.

that is why i said aggelos translate 2 words
1: an angel which is a word use to describe the sons of God...
2: messenger which is what they are...

and remember when i say if angels and messenger means same thing, "why is aggelos translate an angel and messenger"
in life everything is species have categories...

spirits
physical living creatures
eg
man- black, white, and other race
angels - cherub, seraph etc
lion - mountain lion, and other species
dogs - there are so many species
cats - pussycat, lion, tiger,

i can go on... there is always a word to use to differentiate things...
messenger - prophets, angels etc...

^^^

see.

benalvino: but human is use to differentiate us from angels spirit creatures and YAHWEH

^^^

fixed ^.

That ^ is the right way to put it > humans and spirit creatures

*you dont say the difference is between human and messengers but between humans and spirit creatures. Angel = messenger*

benalvino: any one reading this is seeing you for who you are snake that is... I ask a simple question for how many hours and you wont answer it so that your confusion will stop.

here is the question
we are called humans
[size=18pt]the spirit or host in heaven created by God what are they called?[/size]

till you answer it bye bye.

BERNIMOORE: you knew that supernatural spirits are 'a nature/form' but[b] you DELIBERATELY NOT ADDED 'form/nature' to supernatural spirits, leaving the statement 'open for twist'[/b] i saw it,

we are called humans, NOT WITHOUT REASON BUT BECAUSE OUR NATURE/FORM IS HUMAN/FLESH by default

Angels heavenly creatures are supernatural spirit form/nature by default , called 'sons of God' their task 'messenger' is NOT a nature but task

(Benimoor no vex o for that ^)



Those created by God in heaven are called 'spirit sons' of God.

This sons also do the work of messenger to the father, hence they are called 'angels' .

No one have a/the nature of a 'messenger', or is there any one that you know ?

Even human 'messengers' are by nature 'human' then, they can do the work of a messenger, same with spirit creatures of God. Their nature cannot be 'messenger'(angel) No !

But all messengers Are angels, and all faithful spirit sons of God are humble to the father and do his messages and hence are called angels.

Same with faithful human servant of God, they do messenger work for God also and hence angel.

Saying that angel is a nature, is saying there are humans that are created messengers by nature and same with the heavenly sons of God.

Sal C: @ Ajibam still waiting for my warm malt.

@ Truthislight Don't spoil my show oo

benalvino: I want to see the point Bernimoore is trying to make first...

Ok, am waiting.

Just dont forget.

Peace.

benalvino: I never said jesus is not a servant of God... you have started with this again... truthislight ask if am saying jesus is not a servant of God and i said i never said that....

Jesus as a man was like abraham, elijah etc... all were servant of God...

being a servant of God or messenger of God... the word aggelos is use to describe them... same word that is use to describe servants or mare men....

below is post that i reply to with "I never said that"

Can you now explain below what i had ask you concerning Jesus subjection now in heaven in relation to Yahweh ?

truthislight: Am not interested in what your brain is telling U ^.

When you say "Jesus as a man", are you saying he is still not subjective to Yahweh now in heaven and hence still Yahweh's messenger ?

v

what is it you never said ?

benalvino: how funny... I never said that...

there are demons who are subjective to satan and they are called angels...

there are people who are subjective to their king on earth... they are servants and the word aggelos is use to describe them in greek.

that is the point am making...

Jesus is the servant of God.

P.S if you are not interested why are you still posting ? it seems like you are interested to me.

see below your words in red :

benalvino: my point is different...
is the angel you said jesus was, in the nature of angel gabriel?...

now there are spirits that are not called angels... that is the spirit that is inside me and you...

Jesus can be called angel putting it in my that angel means messenger. and also when you dont mean he is like Gabriel or michael...

anything can be servant of anything...

Kings have servants
obama have servants
in the slave trade many africans became servants
animals are also servants... it doesnt make them like gabriel or michael...

no all humans are servant and messengers...

therefor Jesus as a man was no different from other people who are called messengers of kings... which is also aggelos or did the bible use another word greek word for them?

satan have his angels... some are demons some are humans... and satan him self is an angel and that is how he was created

Logicboy03: Strawman. I will pay you a million to show where I made such an argument directly or indirectly


While you are at it, let me just say that you are one of the most foolish non-christians I ever have met. You leave christianity saying that Yaweh is not good. Only for some months to pass and you then claim that genocides (which include killing of babies) does not make Yaweh evil.


You are dull

^^^

Because he is not sinking with you here right ?

chukwudi44: brs stop quoting scriptures you do not even know anything about their origin. Your arguments are just too puerile and illogical? what biblical proof do you have to show that the gospel above what written by John.I hope you get my point,I am not saying that book was not written by John rather that there is no biblical evidence to proof that John wrote that gospel.

So many books of the bible are anonymous,their authours were only sourced through sacred apostolic tradition

Answering you is a wasted effort.

Am even surprise that even the words of Jesus is irritating you this days. Smh.

Pastor AIO: And Jesus said to them, "Therefore every scribe who has become a disciple of the kingdom of heaven is like a head of a household, who brings out of his treasure things new and old."

Na wao !

At this rate you will accept just anything as scriptures.

Even without proof of annoiing. Smh

Pastor AIO: I think Chukwudi hit the nail on the head. There are extrabiblical texts that can also be considered scripture. This will be hard for the bible worshippers who take the bible as a kind of Constitution of Christianity.

At least you will atleast show us their writers that for a start they are Jews :

"You worship what you do not know, we worship what we know, salvation originate with the Jews. " (John 4:22)......
.............

^

maybe you can tell us what Jesus did not know.

And it is good to note that the OT we have were written by defined people:

1. Annointed kings of Israel.
2. Prophets of Yahweh in Israel.
3. Levites (priestly class) in israel.

Even the teaching of the NT is written by Israelites/jews.

And they where apostles of christ.

At least start by telling us the writers of this other books you talk about lets align them with the class of bible writers and see if they fall in line.

Does salvation originate from other nations apart from the Jews ?

*years later, i hope the work/writings of Chris Oyakhilome will not make it into the bible sef at this rate*

benalvino: my point is different...
is the angel you said jesus was, in the nature of angel gabriel?...

now there are spirits that are not called angels... that is the spirit that is inside me and you...

Jesus can be called angel putting it in my that angel means messenger. and also when you dont mean he is like Gabriel or michael...

anything can be servant of anything...

Kings have servants
obama have servants
in the slave trade many africans became servants
animals are also servants... it doesnt make them like gabriel or michael...

no all humans are servant and messengers...

therefor Jesus as a man was no different from other people who are called messengers of kings... which is also aggelos or did the bible use another word greek word for them?

satan have his angels... some are demons some are humans... and satan him self is an angel and that is how he was created

Am not interested in what your brain is telling U ^.

When you say "Jesus as a man", are you saying he is still not subjective to Yahweh now in heaven and hence still Yahweh's messenger ?

benalvino: good question..

angels are to serve God and man... the bible differentiate angels from man... angels are servant by default and humans are not...
an angel is a nature that is why the bible translates supernatural spirits as angel and when same task is performed by man it translate a messenger...

fact is the words are common in meaning... aggelos was applied to spies... it can be applied to a dog or pigeon.

again the words should be used rightly and the way the context suggest..

remember elohim means God it also means great too... like the great[elohim] earthquake the bible talks about... wont there be problem if that passage is translated god earthquake?

while messenger and angel can be use interchangeably we should consider using it right in a way it fits the context...

like i said before there is a reason aggelos translates an angel and messenger...
because one is the nature of some supernatural spirits.

^^^

Is Jesus not a servant of Yahweh ?

NEW KING JAMES :

"The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus; whom you delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go." (Acts 3:13).

benalvino: good question..

angels are to serve God and man... the bible differentiate angels from man... angels are servant by default and humans are not...
an angel is a nature that is why the bible translates supernatural spirits as angel and when same task is performed by man it translate a messenger...

fact is the words are common in meaning... aggelos was applied to spies... it can be applied to a dog or pigeon.

again the words should be used rightly and the way the context suggest..

remember elohim means God it also means great too... like the great[elohim] earthquake the bible talks about... wont there be problem if that passage is translated god earthquake?

while messenger and angel can be use interchangeably we should consider using it right in a way it fits the context...

like i said before there is a reason aggelos translates an angel and messenger...
because one is the nature of some supernatural spirits.

^^^

Is Jesus not a servant of Yahweh ?

NEW KING JAMES :

"The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus; whom you delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go." (Acts 3:13).

benalvino: ^^^ i want to thank you for realizing that we should make meaning out of this discussion at last by coming back to the main topic...
the translation you choose says angel there... the one i choose says messenger. there are 2 translations that reads angel
and the rest reads messenger...

If the word Messenger means angel, why should there be a problem with the choice of word used there ?

I mean, if it is angel fine.

If it is messenger fine, since they both means the something.

Should there be a need for your kind of confussion since the two word is the same thing ?

benalvino:
so it depends on the one you take... besides humans can be called angels because messenger means angel and angel means messenger...

^^^

with that in mind, has Jesus christ never done the work of a messenger or an angel to the father befor ?

What is wrong with calling him a messenger vis-a-vis angel ?

See :


"As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. " (John 6:57).


"Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine,
but his that sent me. " (John 7:16).

"Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me. " (John 7:33).

"And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. " (John 8:16).

"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. " (John 8:42).

"I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. " (John 9:4).

"Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. " (John 12:44-45).

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. " (John 12:49).

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. " (John 13:20).

"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me. " (John 14:24).
............

^

If Jesus christ did not see his coming as a messenger or angel as a problem, are you seeing it as a problem ?


Douay-Rheims Version /
Malachai /
Chapter 3


1.
Behold I send my angel, and he shall prepare the way before my face. And presently the Lord, whom you seek, and the angel of the testament, whom you desire, shall come to his temple. Behold he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts.
...............
^
From the above, what then is your problem ? Trinity ?

chukwudi44: So many books of the bible were written long after the events had occurred.The first five books of the bible traditionally ascribed to moses contained events that occured thousands of years before moses was born.

The books of Joshua and samuel reffered us to read further on their events on the lost book of Jashar.Tis implies that the lost book of jashar was written before the book of Joshua.And if the book of Jashar contained events that occured during the time of samuel,it further goes to show that the book of Joshua was not written by Joshua.

The fact is so many books of the bible might not have been written by their acclaimed authours but that does not vitiate the fact that there are still scriptures.

You have started again !

You will water down the bible to project your tradition.

What if we just take every thing contain in the bible as a lie ?

benalvino: do you know that angels are human being?
how do you respond to this?

My friend, go and play in the sand.

That the word angel is mostly use when talking about spirit messengers does not change it from meaning messenger.

And the bible used angel for both spirit creatures and man.

John the baptist was a messenger of Yahweh and was called 'angel'. (Douay version > Malachai 3:1. the same word used for John was used for Jesus > messenger > angel)

In the book of Revelation 2:8,18 and 3:1,7,14. men are called angels.

That your twisted mind that does not love the truth will not want to see that is none of my business and does not change the fact of the meaning of angel.

Any body that have gone on errand or delivered a message of word of mouth or letter from Yahweh is Yahweh's messenger.

you should know what that ^ means.

If you dont like it, what will you do ? Nothing !

It remains the fact.

Any honest hearted person that red the thread i posted will get the full picture.

Continue deceiving your mind.

benalvino: SHOULD WE CONTINUE OR LEAVE IT?

WE HAVE SEEN THAT AGGELOS TRANSLATE
1:AN ANGEL
2: MESSENGER

Now lets distinguish angels from humans.
They are spirits like you said.
we are humans that have spirit inside us...

^^ the above shows that we are of different nature.

So lets talk

Sharrap !

You lying fraud !

Where in this world does angel = 1. angel and then 2. messenger ?

Angelos is one and same as angel and it means messenger.

You are a disgrace to the name christianity.

We have physical and spiritual Messengers. Thats it.

I dont know why Benimoor keeps on giving attention to someone like you.

Caracta: I'll report you to him when i find him

What !

you mean you and the Craze man na paddy paddy

what about your safety ?

Caracta: Oh no...what happened to all the nice people on earth? I am really looking for him.

O! Well, sorry then, i had actually thought it would be of help.

*withdrewn suggestion*
*but seriousely, Crazemen are in psychiatric home *

Caracta: Hello people. I am looking for CrazyMan. Did anybody see him around?

I saw one on the loose on my way home, but, i think by now the men in charge of the psychiatric home would have caught up with him.

Better check for craze man there.

*i wish it will be of help*