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Frank4YAHWEH: I certainly never said or suggested that anyone here said that Yahshua was created during the six days creation days in Genesis, but there are certainly many who believe that he was created or had always existed with his and our Heavenly FATHER and Creator in the beginning. I have never heard any specifics from anyone who believes that Yahshua was directly created as to what point in time in the beginning he was created. Such a belief is of no importants to me, since I do not believe that he was directly created in the beginning. I believe that many believe that his SON was created by his and our FATHER before anything else was created. I believe this to be a false doctrine that is not in accordance with what Scripture teaches.

You can believe whatever you want.
Whatever !

Dereformer: Last Sunday, I went to a nearby drinking joint to buy drinks for my visitors. On getting close to the place i noticed that the whole area was in commotion. Upon inquiry, I was told that there was a mild argument which led to other things that resulted in a serious fight.

What was the argument? I asked.

The man narrating the incidence to me told me that while a group of boys were drinking, a pastor came in, bought a can of malt and left. The argument started at that point.

One boy said, 'pastors are now celebrities'. The other said no, pastors cannot be classified as celebrities. This lead to an attempt to define who a celebrity is?

The first boy insisted that anyone who performs while others are watching, and who gets load ovation from a cheering spectators is nothing but a celebrity. He went further to explain that the common thing between Ronaldinho and Pastor Urbert Angel is that both receive cheers from a watching crowd.

He also explained that every celebrity has a an insatiable desire for flamboyant and lavish life style. 'Can't this be said of pastors who were expensive cloths, ride exotic cars, even air planes'. He asked.

The second boy, argued that pastors are meant to live a quiet life. According to him, pastors or men of God are expected to maintain a modest life style; a life of prayer and supplication to God at all time according to the prophets of old.

Several definitions were proffered, dictionaries were consulted, opinions were sought and before long it degenerated into name calling. And unexpectedly, a serious fight ensued.

After this narration, I could not but laugh at the remote cause of the fight.

But seriously, Are today's Pastors celebrities? Your views are welcome.

Yes, and even worst at that.

Today MOG's are fraudulent celebrities.

Do you really need to ask this question sef ?

Have a second look at them and tell me what you see.

No one said that Jesus was created during the six days creation days in Genesis.

benalvino: I ask you what is the meanig of a noun you they solve algebra to answer English question...

Was someone there when God was creating the heaven and earth yes or no... Again was Jesus there even if I agree with you like say God gave him the power... Was some one there or not that is the question...

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?" (Job 38:4-8 ).

benalvino: @truthislight did the commission of works use contractors when he was doing the road...

Was people there looking at him when he was doing the road even if they didn't help?

So what do you not understand by what God said.. Ijawkid can't answer this now frosbel can't. You can't either. Anything U say you contradict your self except you accept that Jesus is God. The word of God... And God use his word to lay the foundation

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?" (Job 38:4-.

benalvino: @truthislight did the commission of works use contractors when he was doing the road...

Was people there looking at him when he was doing the road even if they didn't help?

Yeah, even angels were there, even though he said no one was there.

Is it possible you are missing something ?

I fear for you.

Chibuebem: that depends on if you call him foolish if his word or gospel does not agree with your human reasoning sir, and it really doesnt. Thats why we should renew our minds with Gods word, so that we'll be conformed to his will, his word. Romans 12:2, 1 corinthians 2: 12-14 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we MIGHT KNOW the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, NOT in the words which MAN'S WISDOM TEACHETH, BUT WHICH THE HOLY GHOST TEACHETH; comparing SPIRITUAL THINGS WITH SPIRITUAL. But the natural man RECEIVETH NOT THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD: for they are FOOLISHNESS UNTO HIM: neither can he KNOW THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED.

You remind me of one Ihedinobi.

benalvino: this is childish man... can you understand that no one was there... he is saying no commissioner of works not laborer no nothing... only him did it... no help he did not use anyone... he says he did it by him self

Yeah, the governors always talk like Children during their briefing.
They will say "i did this road, i did that road, i build this i build that" and we do accept it as though we are foolish, that there were no commissioner of works.

but when Yahweh talks that way you say no.

Yea, you dont care about Yahweh, the 'almighty' himself >>> the owner of "all power" himself.

benalvino: ok Jesus is not God... but did God lie when he says he alone laid the foundation of the earth and universe and no one was there? can you answer this? since you say jesus is not God.

The power used in creation is God's power, the father's.

The BIBLE says that through Jesus, every thing was made.

The father again sent this power to him again after his baptism to use again.

Just like the budget of the state is with the governor, the commisioner cannot do anything without the governor.

Jesus said the son cannot do anything of his own initiative, just as the father:

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. " (John 5:19).

"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. " (John 5:30).

"Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. " (John 8:28).
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From the ^ above, you are not representing the Jesus of the bible.

Chibuebem: this is what happens when reason only tries to decipher the spiritual word of God.

Is God foolish ?

benalvino: No man... God never forgets. The truth is God alone created us all... Many verses says Jesus laid the foundation of the earth it says the father does yet it says God alone did it.

The excuse you try to bring is invalid... Not a single thing came to exist without Jesus. God uses his wisdom which is Jesus to create everything.

If Jesus is not God then that statement means God has lied... Its something you cannot answer trust me.

No road came into existed except the commisioner of works did it.

'No governor needed'

debosky: Right - so now there are different types of 'worship' eh? I posted a passage from Revelations - please look at it and tell us what type of 'worship' the elders gave to the Lamb on the throne.

The type of worship Devid received with Yahweh.

benalvino: Nope... YHWH is speaking and said clear the way for me...
later he said he will send the messenger of the Covenant... we know JESUS is the word of God... and the WORD is GOD... so he is sending JESUS not him self... or i put it this way... HE is sending his word.

Stop deceiving yoursel, all that happened was done by Yahweh, but through his son, servant, messenger.

Clearing the way was for Yahweh to carry out his plans of cleaning the temple.

Was it not Yahweh that cleaned the temple ?

Did Jesus not say he can do Nothin of his own initiative ?

Did Jesus not say as the father taught him so he speaks ?

When a governor gave a directive for houses to be demolished for a road construction but sends his commision, i wander who demolished the houses.
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Now you see what trinity is doing to you.

Pastor Kun: Not a single one of the scriptures you quoted contains an instruction for christians to worship Jesus rather it states examples of those who 'worshipped' him. On closer look at the context of this 'worship', it's not worship as in the way one would worship God but just a highly reverent form of greeting and admiration.

As though those jews forgot what they go to the temple to do. They forgot who they worship in the temple.

After doing that to Jesus they hence stop going to the temple.

Smh for cut and nail things.

benalvino: analysis of malachi 3:1...
Mal. 3:1, "Behold, I am(YHWH speaking) going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me(YHWH). And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the Lord of hosts."
concentrate on the bold quotes above, John the Baptist was sent to prepare the way for Jehovah. Isaiah 40:3 says that John the baptist is to clear the way for YHWH (Jehovah). In Mal. 3:1, it is God who says that "he will clear the way before Me." yet this is fulfilled by the arrival of Jesus who is the Word and the word was God... in john 1:1

frosbel: But a messenger must have a sender, who sent the messenger ?

benalvino: Of course... but was does it Change... there are 2 messengers there... one is john the baptist... the messenger of the covenant is Jesus...

so what does it Change... Jesus said his father sent him.

benalvino: in isaiah God claim no one was there when he created if Jesus is YHWH then that statement is true... else it is false. and we know God cant lie

Elementary analysis ^ men!

When a governor wishes to talk about his achievement, i wander how man times he remembers to mention his commisioners that worked for him, but rather takes the whole credit.

Maybe the governors are liars also.

yeah! As expectected, capacity problem.

presiade: Malachi 3:10a says: 'Bring you all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat(food) in My HOUSE...

Your argument is good, but i want to help exposed one fraud from this tithe exponents.

The "robbing" of Malachai is not accusing the nation of Israel as a whole, but the Levi that where stealing from the things in the temple and using the blind animals for sacrifice and even ignore the alter.(read the book of Malachai whole)

Was it the common Israelite that go into the temple to offer sacrifices in the alter of God ? No, but the Levite does.

If you take time to read the book of Malachai from chapter 1 to 3, it becomes very clear that it was to the levites that God was angry with.

Reading Malachai 3 verse 1 to 3.
we see in verse 3 God sending the messenger of the Covanant to refine the temple so that an acceptable sacrifice can be offered in the temple.

The book of Malachai is critical of the priest and not the nation as a whole, but modern days tithe collectors have twisted it to look as though it was reference to the nation refusing to pay their tithe an as such the nation was cursed or will be curse.

Fraud!

To the other part of your post, the truth is that christians are not to pay tithe as did the Jews, but to give voluntarily to God.

Peace.

Goshen360: When we or scripture say Christ is the Son of God, what does that mean?

It means he is the son of God.

Dont you know what the word 'son' means ?

Well, i know that the son is not the father.

A son can stand for the father, but he is not the father. No ?

Are you YOUR father ?

The son of the king is not the king.

O yes! Royalty ? Yes!

^^^

great post.

Logicboy03: 8. Don't post false information on Nairaland.


There is no such thing as "types of atheists".

Apparently, the researchers admitted that the types are not mutually exclusive and that they needed to do more research as there could be many more types


http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/18/the-story-behind-the-six-types-of-atheists-study/

Sorry mate, i did not see any sens in that ^.

Peace.

Are you rebelling against the system ?

If you are rebelling against the system go inhouse, you are a mod, you have a way of airing your complaints inhouse.

dont take it out on us.

manmustwac: About 6 weeks a go i submitted a topic by Alfa Seltzer for homepage review. I even sent an sms to mukina saying its been a longtime since an atheist topic made the homepage. She replied my sms saying that the topic was offensive to Christians. So if we atheists cannot have topics that christians find offensive on the homepage then it means topics that muslims find offensive will also not make the homepage so why do you expect me to submit a topic i or other athiests may find offensive. There has to be a level playing field.

That ^ has noting to do with this issue!

You had said that "the thread went against atheist beliefs".

That was why i had asked:

truthislight: can you please, kindly point out where this thread op below is questioning the atheist beliefs/antagonistic of the Atheist beliefs ?

https://www.nairaland.com/1362406/types-atheists#16854219

please do answer.

As a mod, you know you should be above board i guess ?

So, that is why am asking that you make your stance very obvious to laymen/person like me please.

Thanks in anticipation.

Peace

please, address the ^ question i had asked you.

If there is no antagonism of "atheist beliefs" in that ^ thread, then dont vent your frustration on us.

If there is no antagonism of "atheist beliefs" in that ^ thread, then please, summit that ^ thread to the suppermode.

If you perceived that an injustice have been done by a supper mod, do present your case to Seun to address, afteral, he is an atheist and the owner of this forum.

Peace.

@Oladegbu + Image123

this is the height of desperation:

you could not stand for the truth and easily forgot that "Liars will not inherit God'skingdom".

This rules are just man made rules and you are here lying to defend it, even engaging in fraudulent acts to defend it.

Smh for you.

This is happening because people are feeding from other peoples money(tithe) as such they will do anything to protect it.

It is a pity.

You people have to start putting on your thinking cap.

*sigh*

alexleo: @frosbel

These are all your interpretations which does not hold water. Bros its obvious you are the one believing lies in this issue.

@Ffrobel have told the truth rightly dividing the word of truth.

frosbel: I need a little help here. There seems to be a different calculation of the lineage in Luke 3 and Matthew 1 for Joseph the husband of Mary.


In Matthew the Father of Joseph was Jacob while in Luke the Father of Joseph was Heli.


If you read both accounts of Joseph's ancestry, you see a big problem, how could Joseph have come from 2 different sources ?


Matthew starts from backwards to trace the genealogy for Joseph.

In Matthew 1 :

6 and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,
7 Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah,
11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
12 After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,
Abihud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14 Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Elihud,
15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah




Luke starts from forward to backwards .

in Luke 3 :


Joseph,

the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat,

the son of Levi, the son of Melki,

the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,

25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,

the son of Nahum, the son of Esli,

the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath,

the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,

the son of Josek, the son of Joda,

27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,

the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,

the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melki,

the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,

the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,

29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer,

the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat,

the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon,

the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,

the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,

31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna,

the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan,

the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse,



Can we discuss this amicably and understand why we have this small issue.


Thanks.

Mathew was tracing the genealogy of Jesus through Joseph to Devid, while in luke it is through Mary to David.

The Jews dont recognised the women in paternity issue of royalty, so, where women are involve, they use the father or the husband.

Very rear women are used, unless on exceptional cases.

Peace

^

"And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth." (Revelation 11:3).


Read to verse 10 and understand how the word torment is used by Jesus christ in the book of Revelation befor you go literal again.


"And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth." (Revelation 11:10).

^^

"tormented" with preaching.

@Jesoul !!!

Alfa Seltzer: What do you mean by "atheist beliefs"?

Alfa Seltzer: What do you mean by "atheist beliefs"?

Please ask Manmustwac the mod.

See below:

manmustwac: the point really is that no topic that questions religious atheist beliefs makes the homepage due to the reason that it could cause fights because their sensitive beliefs are being questioned so likewise why should I submit a topic for homepage review that some atheists will find offensive.

He is in a better place to explain that ^.

I was just repeating the sens i got from what he had said.

Peace

[quote author=tpia@]You're just ranting incoherently and sound like you grew up in a cave.

You've never attended a wedding before, i assume?

Why would you refer to a bride's mother as "the woman by her side"?

Na demon dey worry you.

Perhaps you have no hope of getting married and thus are pouring out your frustrations?




If you feel like sharing your reasons why the thought of wedding gives you depression and anxiety, pour them out here, folks are available to assist you.[/quote]I dont really like to talk to slut dirty talking bitches that sleep on internet forum and chat rooms.

Such can only happened to me on a deeperlife thread.

Smh.

OLAADEGBU: @BERNIMOORE, DrummaBoy, Pastor Kun, frosbel, truthislight, babsomotde;

It is high time you stopped foaming in the mouth with all these false accusations ad hominems and gnashing of the teeth. We still love you and will not wish that you end up in eternal torment. Come attend the invitation that seunlayi and myself are extended to you, taste and see that the Lord is good.

You mean i should sell my freedom and come under the opression of men ?

No dear, i will not, no thanks for such invitation to be oppressed.

I should come and start paying tithe ? Smh.

I never knew you hated us this much.

The load of Jesus christ is enough for me.

The load of Jesus christ is light, yours is heavy and a burden, plus man worship inside false doctrin.

NO.

olumyde: @all, frosbel truthislight rabzy and co. are always on this thread eager to convince ppl that God will not punish them as bad as they think. I can't count how many times i've put up this my conclusion above. They've always avoided it. They can't discuss it. Thats why i don't have anything more to say to them. Save yourself the stress.

I for one dont have time for your delusion.

manmustwac: the point really is that no topic that questions religious atheist beliefs makes the homepage due to the reason that it could cause fights because their sensitive beliefs are being questioned so likewise why should I submit a topic for homepage review that some atheists will find offensive.

can you please, kindly point out where this thread op below is questioning the atheist beliefs/antagonistic of the Atheist beliefs ?

https://www.nairaland.com/1362406/types-atheists#16854219

please do answer.

As a mod, you know you should be above board i guess ?

So, that is why am asking that you make your stance very obvious to laymen/person like me please.

Thanks in anticipation.

Peace