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Abdulsalam20: AS I HAVE SAID I AM NT HERE TO INTERFERE BECAUSE I KNOW HE WILL HAVE ANSWER U I JUST COME HERE TO TELL U D TRUTHI have explained it before but you still did not understand. Allah knew everything you gave as your excuses including Trinity and Jesus as God's Son being believed by Christians before he confirmed we are going to heaven. Or are you saying allah did not know what Christians believe when he promised them heaven? If he (allah) didn't know Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God, why did he talk about it in the quran? If Allah didn't know about Christianity and Trinity, why did he talk about it in the quran? So, despite allah knowing everything about Christianity, he still confirmed we are going to have reward in heaven. Other verses that negate that promise is CONTRADICTION, DECEPTION and MANIPULATION. I still repeat my question: What is the NEED for islam since Christianity that was in existence before it is good enough for mankind to go to heaven? I tell you the truth, islam is NOT NEEDED and it is not in the true God's agenda. |
malvisguy212: uptil now no answer, we can see how satan is planing to divert the gospel of christ, if allah promise the christians heaven, then no need for islam......the devil is a liar. Yes oh! |
Abdulsalam20: I ALREADY KNOW U WILL DENY IT.....U DONT WORTH ARGUING WITH.....BECAUSE U DONT GIVE REFERENCE FOR ANYTHNG U POSTED I PROVE U WRONG AND NOW U ARE DENYING ITCan you read and understand anything? I cited quran 2:62 and even Rilwayne added 5:69 to it. It shows you don't read and understand before you start pasting just anything, relevant or irrelevant. You need deliverance from islamic demons. |
"e author=Abdulsalam20] PLS I NEED THE VERSE WHERE ALLAH SAY CHRISTIANS ARE GOING TO HEAVEN BECAUSE THERE IS NO VERSE THAT SAY SO CONCERNING YOUR POST WHERE JESUS SAY HE IS A SON OF GOD:::JESUS ADRESS EVERYBODY AS SON OF GOD "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." John 20:17 . SO JESUS IS NOT SON OF GOD All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, "Blessed are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God." The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense. Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant ‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father. Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes. Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant. God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind. ‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)[/quote]I find it very difficult to descend to your level. If you are not versed enough in your quaran, didn't you read the post? Why should ask for the verse? You said Jesus preached islam and I proved to you He didn't, then see the nonsense you pasted as your response. Keep swimming in your falsehood. No truth is enough to liberate anyone who refuses to see it. I may not respond to your post again. |
Abdulsalam20: so u can accuse a person for derailing when you are the oga....u throw questions to defend yourself when the question u asked has been unexpectedly answered..........and moreover if you are sure of what you are practicing you should be able to answer any question relating to it..............and u allege me of derailing i didnt derail u ask a rightly guided man toleave the true way and be worshiping a prophet instead of GOD and i responded that jesus is not lord jesus is a prophet and jesus only come to preach islam.......#gbam#Firstly allah confirms Chritianity is good enough to take people to heaven, so how could Jesus have preached islam? Even the Devil and other evil spirits know only true Christians will make it to heaven. Does islam believe in the Sonship of Jesus? See what Jesus said concerning Himself: Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest, because I said I AM THE SON OF GOD? (John 10:36). Jesus called Himself SON of God, is that what islam preaches? Islam is not in the programme of the true God. Stop deceiving yourself and accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. |
danthamccoy: Following your logic, where the old religions capable of taking mankind to heaven? (Abraham, Elisha etc). What then is the use of Christianity?I have been expecting this question long ago. God had plan for the NT of the Christians since the time of the OT. There is the Law and the Grace dispensation. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the COVENANT that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord (Jeremiah 31:31-32). God had promised of new covenant (New Testament) in the Old Testament. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6). This is talking about Jesus, the author of the New Testament. Islam could not have come from the true God because it was not in His agenda. |
Abdulsalam20: Truthman is backPls don't derail this thread as you usually do. Also note that I don't answer any question not related to the subject of a post, which you call my running away. |
Rilwayne001: What should i expect from a stiff necked gainsayers.No muslim has the answer to that question. By now, apart from islamic hypnotism, muslims should be able to see clearly that islam is satanic manipulation. Pls accept Jesus as your Saviour. |
arsenalwenger: allah is a manipulative arabian idol exhorted as a god. Anywhere allah is memtioned, wat you see is killing and destruction of 'infidels'.You are very right. |
Rilwayne001: Now, reading Quran 5:69 and 72 gives a clear view of what God was saying in Quran 2:62.Your answer is not acceptable. Your try to fabricate just any explanation is not successful. Allah's promise of heaven includes the Jews, who also believe in one-God. But we know how Muhammad was later killing them. For what? Concerning the Christians, allah already knew they believe in Jesus as Son of God and he even talked about Christians' belief in Trinity. Therefore Allah was fully aware of Christians' belief before he promised them reward in heaven. Since in spite of Christians' belief allah still promised them heaven, it means their belief is right. Still saying anything to negate that amounts to contradiction, deceit and manipulation. The question remains: why the NEED for islam as Christianity is capable of giving reward to its adherents? |
Rilwayne001: Do you even know what happened in:Who set up the Council and for what? Were they discussing the word of God that was already settled in HEAVEN? If allah confirmed that God's word cannot be changed as in Quran 6:115, did those Councils flout his word or what happened? I'm sure you are not trying to say the Council changed the word of God, which means allah's word is not reliable. |
malvisguy212: check this lies again:Many lies told by muslims' allah proving he is not the true God. |
Rilwayne001: Apa ti jabo ooo jesuuuTell me why allah contradicted himself on the fate of Christians about heaven. Go on with your explanation with your source. See you tomorrow. |
Rilwayne001: Quran3:85 And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.Every reasonable reader would have noticed that allah is not stable. He says Christians will have reward in heaven and again only islam is acceptable to him. How do you reconcile the two? Allah is very manipulative to deceive the muslims. What a pity? |
Rilwayne001: Why do you believe Paul (the false apostle) if according to xtians Jesus completed his mission on earthWhat a diversion? What has your post got to do with my question? For your information, I have put the same question to muslims outside this forum and after sleepless nights, they came up with nothing. |
teniyi: Just ask yourself a question sir. We were told in several places in the Bible that Jesus preached a gospel, did he hold any book (Bible) at that time?Jesus must have held a Book even according to allah: He said: Surely I (Jesus) am a servant of allah: He has given me a Book and made me a prophet (Quran 19:30 Shakir). I asked a question: What is the NEED for islam since Christianity before it is capable of taking mankind to heaven (Quran 2:62)? Every muslim has ever been avoiding that question. |
The muslims, when they want to invalidate the Bible to give credibility to the quran always say the Bible is corrupt referring to the words of prophet Jeremiah in 8:8. What Jeremiah meant was the corrupt way the scribes practiced the Law and not the Law itself. You can only corrupt the practice of the Law, it is impossible to corrupt it. The Law in the days of Jeremiah is still the same Law today. That same Law prophets after prophets were observing, God did not at any time change His Law. For ever O LORD, they word is settled in heaven (Psalm 119:89). God’s word is forever settled, not subject to a change by man. Allah pretending to be God said: Perfect is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught (nothing) that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower (Quran 6:115) Allah himself knows God's word cannot be changed. Allah also says nothing is capable of changing his word. But unfortunately, muslims don't believe allah's word when it comes to arguments. Of great interest is Allah’s statement in Quran 2:62: Lo! those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews and Christians and Sabaeans – whoever believe in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right – surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. Since Christianity is capable of taking its adherents to heaven, what is the NEED for islam that came much later? |
tijjanioyan: Muslims who do not have such admonitions either from allah or Muhammad take loving one another a serious matter, especially among the same sect................Prove him wrong from your book? |
malvisguy212: all the names you mention fought people that worship idol,but muhammad wage war on jews and christian. YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE NOW?Good point. |
@OP You typed the thread yourself but still failed to see it that Saul was commanded to fight their COUNTRY'S enemies, Amalekites after they had done wickedness. It was a war between two nations and not by a religious group trying to convert people by force. Allah himself said he does terrorise people who don't believe him (Quran 8:12). The god of islam is a terrorist. |
Abdulsalam20: WHAT A BIAS MIND I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAIN IT TO UNonsense repeated |
@OP You copied utter nonsense from islamic site as your defence for quranic scientific absurdities. I insist there is no miracle in islam and that was why Muhammad could not perform any. If Allah performs miracles, why didn't he use Muhammad to do any? Like their 'prophet' no muslim can pray in the name of allah for miracles to happen. What they do is Arabian charms, hontu and tira. QURANIC SCIENCE ABSURDITIES: Muslims can tell lies a lot. They can tell any lies reasonale and unreasonable to defend allah's errors. No wonder islam permits muslims to lie. And of all things We created MATES, perhaps you will remember (Quran 51:49 Sahih International). This is enough to tell you that 'PAIRS' is the same as 'MATES' and that means MALE and FEMALE. Advanced Learner's Dictionary defines 'pair' as two things of the same kind used together i.e MATES. What is the pair of a goat? The answer is he-goat. Or what is your own answer? Your defence is not only irritating but also unreasonable. He was created from a fluid (sperm), ejected, Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs (Quran 86:6-7). Your defence is that testicles develop from the backbone and so backbone and testicles are the same. This is unreasonable because testicle is not the same as backbone. Once testicles have developed from the backbone, it is no more called backbone but testicles. Once a baby has developed from an embryo and born, is no more an embryo but a baby. Why did allah say backbone instead of testicles? If in an exam you are asked: where is sperm produced? What will be your answer? Backbone or testicle? I tell you the truth, allah is not a good scientist. It is He Who prepare the earth for your life and created all that is in the world for you (in order to create you - the human species and make the earth suitable for your life); THEN He directed (His knowledge, Will, Power and Favour) to the HEAVEN AND FORMED IT into seven heavens....(Quran 2:29). The word 'THEN' means AFTER. He created the world THEN (AFTER) He directed His Power to the heaven and formed it. It shows allah did not know the order of creation. Indeed, allah (ALONE) has knowledge of the Hour and sends down the rain and knows what is in the WOMBS.......(Quran 31:34). This not true, medical science can easily determine baby's gender. |
Abdulsalam20: when we are talking of miracle it is different from scientific fact there are many miracles in the quranFirstly, let me put it to you that there is no miracle in islam. Muhammad could not heal anybody, even ordinary headache. Where a man was sick of fever, he only recommended zamzam water for the cure. He confessed he could not perform any miracle: And they say: "Why are not miracles sent down to him from his Lord? Say: "The signs are only with Allah , and I am only a plain warner."Qur'an 29:50. Since Muhammad could not perform miracles, no muslim can because the servant is not greater than his master. If you condemn the Bible for science, you should also condemn the quran for its scientific errors too. Since Quran is claimed to be the word of all knowing perfect god, one expects it to be perfect and free of errors. Even one error in Quran is enough to prove it is not from any God. Quran 86:6-7This is a clear error from Allah. Sperm is not produced from between the backbone and the ribs. Science says it is produced from testicules. Why would Allah not know that simple thing if he is the creator? Quran 51:49 Sahih InternationalThis is another error. Everything is not in pairs. Many bacteria, protists, fungi, and plants reproduce asexually. Quran 2:29That is a colossal error. Totally wrong sequence, earth was created way after Heaven was created. It is so well known to everybody in 21st century that no proof is required. Quran 31:34This is wrong. Quran was written for all the times. Allah is not the only one who knows what's inside the womb? In 21st century, medical science can easily determine baby's gender Quran 6:101Allah putting limits on himself?. We thought he could do anything. All he has to say "to be" and it should happen. Strange he could have Marry had a child without any companion, but for himself he needs a spouse. Muhammad while making it up did not realise what he was writing and putting limits to Allah's abilities. |
@OP Dr Zakr Naik and other muslims are carnal people who don't understand the words and workings of the True God. Scientists are working hard to study nature and things created by God. Some times when they are unable to discover some things or fail to solve some problems, they leave them at that. That shows science is inferior to God. My little daughter fell from upstairs and got suspended in the air at the shout of Jesus by her mother and she was picked up. For people like you and Dr. Naik, that miracle contradicted science because of what the Law of Gravity says. God parted the red sea for the Israelites to pass across and the same sea swallowed up the Egyptians, how do you want to explain that in science? The thick wall of Jericho fell flat at the loud shout of the Istraelites 7 times without a push. How do you want to scientifically explain it? Science and spiritual things do not, often times, go on the same line. The workings of God is superior to science and He can violate the law of science at will as the Almighty. Unfortunately, muslims are limited to science and what is visible because they cannot experience the miraculous power of the True God. It is even difficult for them to believe one can eat poison (not intentionally) and survive it. Muhammad and his jihadists did not survive their own because they had no Jesus. I have ate poison unknowingly and all doctors around tried to no avail. I prayed in a night vigil and before dawn, I was healed instantly without any trace of the effect of the poison. No matter your efforts to discredit Christianity, it cannot work because of what we experience daily in Christ. Jesus is alive. |
macof: Everyone says. The Jordanians, Lebanese and Palestinian for example are mostly of Amorite, Edomite, Philistine and Phoenician ancestry. If am nt mistaken The old Phoenicia is the same location as LebanonEveryone is entiled to his/her opinion, but as long as they could not provide proof their opinions do not matter. Abraham had many sons and the probability is very high that they spread to those places after the original owners had been overthrown. |
macof: Yahweh has failed in his promiseWho says today's Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon and Syria are not descendants of Abraham just as Saudi Arabia is? Tell us whose descendants they are. |
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WELL I DONT HAVE MUCH TO SAY SO U CAN ACCUSE SOMEONE FOR NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION WHEN U YOURSELF U DONT ANSWER ANY QUESTION EVEN IF THE QUESTION YOU ASKED HAS BEEN ANSWERED BUT INSTEAD OF YOU TO ANSWER U WILL AT TIMES RAN AWAY..........but i trusr rilwayne he has answer u u might just have a bias mind WELL! I HAVE JUST COME HERE TO TELL YOU THAT JESUS IS A PROPHET HE IS NOT GOD/LORD JESUS IS NOT DEAD AND ALSO THAT THE ONLY SALVATION AVAILAILABLE IS ISLAM