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Elkewwty:
are you dis dull? so of i dont belief in religion den i am automatically an atheist.?
Well am a freethinker, who dont give a damn abt religion nonsense.
why didnt u address the terror your god casted on people?.

both bible and koran claim dat.

I take no offence in your insult. What do I expect from somebody who knows not God.

Ifeann:
Wow, what kind of deceit won't u find in this doctrine. There is no coming back from hell fire for the sinner.

Yes o! What qualifies a muslim to go to hell first also qualifies him/her to remain there forever.

It takes allah's manipulations to be a muslim. Their case is 'abracadabra', the more they look the less they see.

Muhammad is to be pitied. He was used and dumbed. Jubril promised allah would heal him and never did. By now he must have known the Deity called allah.

Ifeann:
I didn't know abt this. I will check.
The more I learn about Islam, the more I see its disgusting falsehood for what it is.

Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter Paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion (Quran 3:185 - Pickthall).

Ifeann:
because their god thirsts for the blood of anyone that is not under his bondage.

You are right sister.

The Devil wants to force everybody to hell he offered in islam (Quran 3:185). Allah says they will ALL be inside HELL before some of them will be removed to heaven on the Last Day. Once in hell is forever in hell. That is why they kill to send people to hell. Can you see why they cannot answer my question?

No matter how much he tries, the will of the Devil will not prevail in Jesus name.

Elkewwty:
you believe jesus is god isnt it?

i am on this thread to prove that both religion are same thing. why didnt u reply weah's comment?

weah comments do not deserve my attention. He didn't address my thread.

Why couldn't you give an example of Christians beheading people of other faiths in the name of Jesus?

I suspect you a muslim, you are only being hypocritical. Your feelings and expressions smell that.

You said you are not an atheist, yet you don't believe in any religion, then what are you? You've been silent. Na wa for you o!

Weah96:
Allah is the giver of life and life is his personal property. He has authority over that which he owns, including your very person. Does that answer your question?

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No. My question is: why do muslims take lives they ought to save?

Elkewwty:
Im not doging anything here, am not a religionist,

The bible glorifies genocide same way the koran did. stop being hypocrite

Where did you see Jesus recommending killing people of other faiths in the bible? Cite an example of Christians beheading people for refusing to convert to Christianity. There is a difference between Judaism and Christianity.

If your are not a religionist, what are you and what is your stake in religion that made talk on this thread?

Elkewwty:
smh

You said jesus stopped genocide, was he not the one dat commanded it earlier, that was his reply. stop being hypocrite for once

This is still not the answer to the question in the OP. Why are you all dodging?

Elkewwty:
smh

You said jesus stopped genocide, was he not the one dat commanded it earlier, that was his reply. stop being hypocrite for once

This is still not the answer to the question in the OP. Why are you all dodging.

I notice with disappointment, muslims avoiding to answer the questions in the OP. Instead, they are referring to the bible irrelevantly.

Imagine somebody walking straight to a non-muslim ordering him to accept islam and without educating him what islam is about, and the next thing is kill him if he refuses. What physical or spiritual sense does that make?

Is that killer (muslim) driven by love to save his victim from hell? Why did he kill him and send him to hell for which he wants him saved from?

These are the questions begging for answers.

Weah96:
Listen, you're welcome to take solace in this schizophrenic nonsense where Jesus the father can order the deaths of human beings, only for Jesus the son to show up later, disguised as a white man, and cancel his own order. I like people to take responsibility for their actions, without pretending to be bipolar, or tri-polar, but to each his own.

Do you know that the Nation of Islam was founded by a black man who claimed that he himself was God? I sh)it you not. That guy must have been one of the smartest black men to ever walk the face of the earth. He at least tried to wrestle the African consciousness away from the foreign deities. But he did it by doing EXACTLY what the white people and Arabs did with the Jesus and Mohammed stories. He gave them a taste of their own medicine, so to speak.

Sometimes it's better to fight silliness with even greater silliness. There's no point in telling people that the book is a regular book. Prompted by the natural fear of our inevitable demise, the conditioning is too deep seated and entrenched for mere words to make an impact. That is why we find history to be replete with great men who finally threw their hands in the air and said, "f)uck it, I'm God, or I found a new book."

In the 1800's, the Mormon guy, for example, said God gave him the recorded history of a special American people written down on shiny plates. The Nation of Islam guy said he was God himself. In the 50's, the 1950's, the Scientology guy said that he was God too and will be back in a freaking rocket ship.

What are you telling me?

Did you read my questions in the OP? Do and give me your answer.

Elkewwty:
I'm not an atheist.

I don't support islamic terrorsm.

I don't hate jesus but i hate hypocrisy of christians.

Religion has done more harm dan good to humanity (xtians, muslims, jews inclusive) Stop being hypocrite both bible and quran promote genocide (and dont tell me dere is NT and OT)

If you don't believe in any religion, what are you?

Where did the bible recommend genocide for the Christians?

INJESUSNAME:
y muslims force people to become muslims or kill dem if dey refuse? Did u answer d question. Are you copying the christians? Or u dont have answer and d next thing is to point to d Bible for d answer? Is d Bible verses d reasons for alqaeda, boko etc? Reason like man, nt like goat! Im yet to see a christian killing people that reject the Gospel. U can tell us d ones you know.

Thanks. None of them is capable of answering. They don't even know why they should kill. All they are interested is waste human lives for no cause.

Ab025:
scroll up for what...? i asked if those verses were from the bible or not?

I have answered your question up there. I would have copied it out for you but am on phone.

Elkewwty:
But you believe jesus to be god, was he not the one commanding the genocide of the OT?

Religion is bulshit

Jesus in the capacity as the Son of God cancelled warring.

As an atheist, do you support islamic terrorism? Your hatred for Jesus makes you prefer violence to peace.

Ab025:
what about these verses below, are they from the bible or carved from somewhere else....?

Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:
You must kill those who worship another god.
Exodus 22:20
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2. Kill any friend or family that worship a god that
is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
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3. Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you
find people that worship differently than you.
Deuteronomy 13:12-16
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4. Kill everyone who has religious views that are
different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
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5. Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest.
Deuteronomy 17:12-13
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6. Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
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7. Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of
Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more
savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark
6:11
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8. Matthew 10:34-36 - "Do not think that I came
to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to
bring peace, but a sword. 35 "For I came to set a
man against his father, and a daughter against
her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her
mother-in-law; 36 "...and a man’s enemies will
be the members of his household."
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9. Luke 12:51,52 - "Do you suppose that I came
to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather
division; 52 "for from now on five members in one
household will be divided, three against two, and
two against three..."
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9. Luke 22:36- "And He said to them, "But now,
let him who has a purse take it along, likewise
also a bag, and let him who has no sword sell his
robe
and buy one.

Scroll up!

Ab025:
what u Christians always fail to understand is that every verse of the Holy Quran was revealed based on different contexts and circumstances during the early days of Islam. u guys are always quick to quote any verse that u feel is likely to prove ur points against Islam right but u are also quick to ask or investigate what happened that brought about such verses

even in the old testament, there are also such verses as aminho quoted (scroll up) but has that made me conclude that Christians were ordered to be murderers......?? NO

There should be no context in which muslims should be commanded to kill people of other faith. Because Jesus commanded Christians not to draw sword in any context is the reason we are peaceful.

Ab025:
@truthman2012.....maybe its ur upbringing or the kind of muslims u ve been opportuned to meet, but believe me, Muslims don't feel everybody must turn to their religion

1. do you know that the Quran forbids murder or suicide? that if u murder somebody, u will be punished as if u have killed a whole generation of people?? and the Quran also forbids suicide and Allah has told us that whoever takes his own life by his own hand deliberately (suicide), in whatever circumstances he us in life, will surely go to hell fire?

2. do u know that the prophet's last summon (PBUH) preached to us to live together in peace and harmony with our neighbours regardless of whether they are Christians or idol worshippers?? infact he demonstrated it in his lifetime because he allowed idol-worshippers to live in his community without hurting them. they came to an understanding and everyone practised his/her own religion without any quarrels

3. islam originates from Saudi

Pleas scroll up to read Ifeann post. Thanks.

aminho:
show me where he initiated an attack first

Firstly, Christianity of the NT is not the same as Judaism of the OT. It is in the OT that the Jews were allowed to fight wars.

All your references in the NT are figurative, you don't know their meanings. But I think you should know one thing: Jesus and the disciples never fought with swords. Jesus said 'he who kills by the sword will die by the sword' (Mat. 26:52).

For Muhammad killing the innocent, see Bukhari, Vol. 5, Bk 59, No. 370 & Bukhari, Vol. 3, Bk 46, No. 717.

Where are the muslims in the house?

By now, muslims should know that allah is against Jesus' teachings on LOVE, meaning Muhammad and He (Jesus) didn't represent the same God.

Ifeann:
Your book also says ,
Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

A christain will bring the gospel to you and not draw a sword threatening to behead you if u don't convert or pay the jizyah.

Thank u.

aminho:
Why Do Christians also Believe that Everybody Should Be A Christian?at least in the Quran it says there is no compulsion in religion suratul baqara

Like muslims, Christians also believe only the true Christians will go to heaven but do allow people to take their decision voluntarily. We don't force or kill people for not converting.

If there is no compulsion in religion, why was Muhammad killing who did not initiate attack?

As far as islam is concerned, there can be no peace until everybody becomes a muslim.

Again they believe only the muslims will go to heaven. Therefore, is it their LOVE for people to get to heaven that makes them want to force them to accept islam and even kill them if they do not?

Why do muslims kill people, to save them or send them to hell? By killing people now, are they not depriving them of becoming muslims in the future?

Spiritual things are meaningful only to the spiritual minded.

kadas01:
Islam is truly a beautiful religion!

Just that these "evil miscreants" parading themselves as "jihadists" have destroyed the good reputation of Islam!

How is islam that beautiful vis-a-vis the quranic injunction to kill all non-muslims? There is no point in history when islam had good reputation. Their warring started from inception.

frosbel:
i don't think so.

The firebrand brand of American evangelical Christianity also wants to dominate the world.

An how are they doing that? By violence? Give an example

Ezedon:
All these are because of virgins they believed to meet in paradise, after death, u can then imagine what will be the situation of this country when they enter ASO ROCK

I pray they don't get to Aso Rock. Buhari was quoted as saying sharia should be used nationwide, becos it is in the constitution.

true2god:
He is an agent of darkness zealously seeking e-disciples.

You are right.

I once supported him on the issue of pastors making wealth from the gospel. I was too much in a haste to know that his intention was to destroy the church.

@ Abdulsalam20

From history and the evidences made available, it takes islamic manipulations to still deny Muhammad did not die of poison.

AJWA DATES

You defined Ajwa Dates as a substance containing various minerals and vitamins and not a spiritual substance. Muhammad recommended it as a remedy for POISON and MAGIC, yet he was affected by both. Then, where did he get the inspiration from?

@ Abdulsalam20

I'm amazed at your defence. It is not possible for muslims of this age to change the story of Muhammad's death. Even from the link you gave, one of the hadiths by Bukhari confirmed that it was the effect of the poison that cut Muhammad's jugular vein. Then why did you say he didn't die of poison? That it took some years before he died does not remove the truth that it was the effect of the poison that killed him.

The world loves darkness more than light.

@ mulvisguy

That hadith by Sahih Muslim, Book 026, No. 5440 you cited is enough for muslims to run away from islam. God bless you.