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mubarakopeyemi:
simple question.
DO YOU BELIEVE IN QURAN YES OR NO or I used big grammer ni

Yes, I believe in the quran as a manipulation from the Devil.

Annunaki:
It's not easy to renounce a cult na, they will be ostracised or even killed if they try it thus they choose to kontinu suffering and smiling.

May God in His mercies deliver them.

Annunaki:
They are in hiding, if it were you won't you be ashamed of your 'prophet' ?

Hidding?

Instead of being ashamed and hidding, why didn't they come out boldly and renounce islam for its falsehood?

mubarakopeyemi:
do u bliv in Quran ? Lieman

You mean the real truthman?

The quran is a mixture of plenty of lies with little truth. If it were only lies, nobody would have believed it. The Devil is very clever.

One of the little truths in the quran is the virgin birth of Jesus.

Nice contributions.
But where are muslims na?

These are the peculiarities of Muhammad, which you cannot find with any of God’s prophets.

He was the only prophet from the Arabs

Even though the Quran ( 29:27) agrees that God appoints prophets from only the lineage of Isaac and Jacob, disqualifying Muhammad as a prophet from God as he was from the lineage of Ishmael, it contradicts itself by saying “for all people there is a prophet” (Quran 10:47). The quran further contradicts itself when it says there was no prophet in Arabs before Muhammad (Quran 34:44). If every people have a prophet, why was there none for the Arabs before Muhammad? Therefore Muhammad remains the only prophet of allah. “There is no god except allahh and Muhammad is his messenger”. Muhammad is the only messenger of allah.


He was the only prophet who had immunity against his lord’s Laws

They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not[b] approach [/b]them until they are clean.But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.
Qur'an 2:222

Muhammad had immunity against that quranic injunction and could violate it: Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to f.ondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).
Sahih Bukhari 1:6: 298

Again, allah restricted the number of a muslim’s wives to four (Quran 4:3). But Muhammad had immunity against this and married more. He had up to eleven wives.

The true God would not tolerate his prophet violating his laws.

He was the only prophet who was affected by charm or magic

Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not (Sufyan said: That is the hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect)... (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660).

Even in that condition, he was still thinking of sex. Serious.

The true God protects His own people from the effect of charm and magic: No spell can curse the descendants of Jacob. No magic can harm the people of Israel. Now it will be said of Jacob and Israel: 'See what God has done! (Number 23:23, GOD'S WORD® Translation).

He was the only prophet who received command to force people to accept his newly found religion

(Qur'an 2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.

Bukhari (2:24) - "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah.

The order is being enforced till today by ISIL, Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabab, Boko Haram etc. the true muslims in the sense of true islam.

He was the only prophet who married the wife of his adopted son

Quran 33:37-38 Yusufali ] Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled.

There can be no difficulty to the Prophet in what Allah has indicated to him as a duty. It was the practice (approved) of Allah amongst those of old that have passed away. And the command of Allah is a decree determined.

He was the only prophet who married the one and only wife of Zaid, his adopted son. No prophet in history did such a disgusting thing. And to cover up the shameful act, allah had to lie that it was the practice of the people of old. When asked which people, muslims could not provide the answer till today.

He was the only prophet who ended his prophethood with a curse

"May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427
But Jesus died blessing his enemies: "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." (Luke 23:34).

He was the only prophet who married a baby girl (A Pedophile)

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Jummymine:
Forgot to address the bolded and italized:

It is ONLY Jesus that is given power for miracles in the quran. Why?
That's a clearly false assertion, my brother. Abrahams and Moses' and others were mentioned in the Qur'aan. Read the following and note the stresses on God's sovereignty and his messengership. Allaah said in the Qur'aan 3:45-50, "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous. And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel. And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe. (I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me."

It is ONLY Jesus name that is mentioned 25 times in the quran and even Muhammad only 4. Why?
yes he was mentioned 25 times, so what?! Moses was mentioned 136 times. Does that make him a senior son of God? Jacob was mentioned 59 times. Was he also a senior brother to Jesus in God's family?
you can hang on to many thin straws, but only a open heart and the ability to question what you've been told will help you , after God's Grace for guidance.

Continue na!

You responded to only two out of the five.

lexiconkabir:
Did i make jest of him? i only corrected him so he wont make such mistake again, how i'm i at fault? oldman, get the hell outta my face!

Lol!!!

lexiconkabir:
infact! not infacte. anyway if you feel i havent debunked the thread, why dont you counter my answer?

Swallow your pride.

English is not our mother tongue. All we need is the idea.

lexiconkabir:
see them loosers

Yes, we are loosers to allahh's lies and manipulations. We lost our way to hell. It will do you good if you join us.

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true2god:
truthman2012 hope you are kool. Keep on the good work bro.

Thank you ma broda. God bless you.

Kreysik:
Here goes the dumbness again.he died 3-4 years as a result of the poison? Really but he still went on pilgrimage "on foot" and the poison didn't prevent that,, what kind of a poison sustains for 3-4 yrs anyways?
I guess your believe is revolved around miracles and healing no wonder your pastors go to sorcerers to perform miracle and you being so mummified and dumb believe in them... forgetting that there is more to religion than miracles and healing,the intellectual aspect of religion which is what you people lack and that is why you anything inexplicable in the bible is attributed to the holy spirit
Haven't you stopped to ask why the intellectually sound among you end up as athiest,can't you see that we in golden age and miracles and healings are now insufficient prerequisites for believe
Finally I will like you to know that there exists a lot of scientific facts in the koran which have just be discovered by the modern man..what will you term such a book which gives hint of some scientific facts 15centuries ago and these have been confirmed by modern man
Even mohammad stated "I await a day when the son of adam will explore the furthest stars" you should know the late neil Armstrong and yuri gagarin by now
Our religion is not like yours which prosecute people for advancing in knowledge the likes of galileo and nikolas corpenicus(may God bless them)
And pay attention only to miracles

That it took 3-4 years before Muhammad eventually died does not add any glory to him. He confessed it was the effect of the poison that killed him.

It took up to 3 years before he died because he only tasted the poisoned food and spewed it out and that was why it had the effect of slow poison. If he had swallowed it like his jihadists did, he would have died instantly equally. He didn't have any special resistance.

Whether you believe it or not, there is need for miracles. Do you feel there was no need for miracle when the jihadists were languishing in pains? I know what it means to suffer from poison for I have experienced it before. The difference is, Jesus healed me.

True, fake pastors get power for miracles elsewhere because they cannot meet with God's standard of holiness. The truth remains there can be no fake miracles without the original. The fake is an inferior copy of the original. Even your quran confirms Jesus performed miracles. He is still doing so till today.

chuna1985:
Brother lemme enlighten u small abeg...Jesus didn't die on the cross, it was Judas Iscariot that died on the cross. Jesus kissed Judas Iscariot n the Roman soldiers mistook him for Jesus n arrested him (remember most people didn't know Jesus Christ by face). Why did u think the person that died on the cross why shouting my God why have u forsaken me?? He was calling on Jesus Christ.

They used "cosmetic make up" to make Judas look like Jesus Christ as he died on the cross.

Nonsense!

Where did you get that lie from? Let's have your source.

The quran that claims somebody else was killed in place of Jesus could not substantiate it. Who did the cosmetic surgery on the substitute to deceive the people?

Why did allahh fear the people and because he couldn't prevail on them, he had to make Jesus run away?

Why was allahh afraid of the people by providing the substitute instead of taking Jesus straight off the earth?

The quran affirms all other prophets died, many of them disgracefully, even Muhammad, why was Jesus an exception?

Allahh lied on everything about Jesus.

Kreysik:
Well the koran is now a book...isn't it another miracle that He even called it a book when it wasn't nd it turned out to be one...your problem is you give a literary explanation to everything,just have you've done with your bible..I wonder where the holy spirit is anyway
By the way contribute to the topic..nd stop moving offshore

Miracle?

Miracle in islam does not include healing. Nowhere did allahh heal anyone in the quran, he couldn't heal even Muhammad of poison, which he battled with for 3-4 years.

The greatest prophet of allahh, Muhammad helplessly watched his jihadists die of excruciating pains of poison but couldn't pray to his god to heal them. He knew his lord has no power for healing. Nowhere in the quran or hadiths Muhammad is said to pray for the sick,what a prophet.

Muhammad himself died of poison after the quran had been recited on him. The quran, allahh's word could not heal him. To make matter worse, Gabriel prayed for him and promised allahh would heal him yet he died. Gabriel has no power to heal as a supposed angel. He lied allahh would heal Muhammad as he eventually died. Since Gabriel could lie, how do you trust the revelations brought by him?

Don't tell me it is allahh's will for Muhammad to die of poison unless you want to say Gabriel didn't know allahh's will for Muhammad hence he prayed for him and promised allahh would heal him.

What you call miracles in islam are not miracles, they can at best be described as magic. Magics are wonders but not for human benefits. Muhammad was claimed to split the moon, for what? How did that benefit anyone? There is certainly no truth for miracles claimed for Muhammad. Allahh makes it clear he was not given power for miracles, why did muslims formulate them for him?

Quran 13: 07
“And the Unbelievers say: "Why
is not a sign sent down to him
from his Lord?" But thou art
truly a warner, and to every
people a guide.”

When confronted with his inability to perform miracles, allahh said Muhammad was not a miracle worker but a warner.

Muhammad himself admitted he could not perform miracles:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book
92, Number 379
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "There was no
prophet among the prophets but
was given miracles because of
which people had security or had
belief, BUT WHAT I WAS GIVEN WAS
the Divine Inspiration which
Allah revealed to me. So I hope
that my followers will be more
than those of any other prophet
on the Day of Resurrection."

There Muhammad separated the revelations he received (quran) from miracles. I therefore wonder why muslims still claim the quran is a miracle.

You shall remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you power to get wealth, that he may confirm his covenant that he swore to your fathers, as it is this day (Deut. 8:18).
True wealth comes from God.

Annunaki:
It's actually a very cruel joke and an insult to humanity to describe such a vile vermin as the best of our specie. I personally feel very insulted by this provocative statement.

Don't mind allahh joh!

How could wicked people be the best of mankind? It only confirms allahh is a deceiver.

Annunaki:
Islam has a unique ability to fry the brains of it's adherents which renders their thinking faculties impotent when islam is being discussed.

You are right bro.

To be good muslims, allahh must have tampered with their brains. This was exactly what happened to Muhammad:

Quran 87:6-7] By degrees shall We teach thee to declare (the Message), so thou shalt not forget,
EXCEPT as Allah wills: For He knoweth what is manifest.

Muhammad's memory was constantly being tampered with to forget what had already been revealed to him. Why? What was wrong with the revelations he was made to forget? It shows the quran is spiritual manipulations.

mustymatic:
abi, go sambisa na, devils dey dia

So, you know the god of islamic jihadists is the Devil. You deliberately serve him as your god. Why na?

malvisguy212:
jazaa what ? Shut up. Your brother fail woefully.

The Devil has seriously deceived the muslims calling himself allah.

Is it not for a purpose Jesus was born without an earthly father? Not until the muslims discover the purpose they are in danger of hell.

It is ONLY Jesus that is the word and a spirit from allah in the quran. Why?

It is ONLY Jesus that is born by a virgin in the quran. Why?

It is ONLY Jesus that is given power for miracles in the quran. Why?

It is ONLY Jesus mother's name that allah mentioned among all women. Why?

It is ONLY Jesus name that is mentioned 25 times in the quran and even Muhammad only 4. Why?

Muslims, it is time for you to discover WHY Jesus is so SPECIAL in the Bible and Quran. There lies your escape from eternal damnation.

malvisguy212:
Jummymine
A whole Surah is named after her(Mary) Surah Maryam. In the Quran, NOT even EVE . the mother of the HUMAN RACE is
mentioned by name. What is the reason
for such exultation of Mary in the Quran? It is because of her significant
place in human history as the only
woman to bear a son while still a virgin.
And she play a significant role in raising the SON OF GOD.

Adam was the first man, God could not have create him with parents because he was the first, that how it supposed to be. But in the case of Jesus christ,he was born without a human father when God’s natural process of procreation had long been in existence. Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might
thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely
such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special RELATIONSHIP With the ONE WHO IS BEHIND ALL THIS MIRACLE.

Surah 4:171: “The Messiah, Jesus son
of Mary, was (no more than) an
apostle of Allah, and His Word, which
He bestowed on Mary, and A SPIRIT
FROM HIM.”

The words used in Surah 4:171 are
ruhun-minhu, “ A SPIRIT FROM HIM.” thus the quran clearly say Jesus is A spirit from God, NO other prophet is adress like this in the quran, what is the reason Jesus is called " A SPIRIT FROM HIM"? No reason were given, is there any different in saying Jesus is the SON OF GOD and HE IS A SPIRIT FROM GOD ?

Ride on bro.

God bless you real good.

malvisguy212:
Jummymine
What is the purpose of the virgin birth in the quran? Because God cannot interrupt His law of pro-creation just for Jesus to be born of a virgin.surly there must be a reason for this.

Surah 21:91: “And (remember) her
who guarded her chastity: WE
BREATH into her of Our spirit, and
We made her and HER SON a sign for
all peoples.” (Yusuf Ali)

The emphasis on the manner by which
“HER SON” was brought into being within her by the miraculous power of God’s holy spirit, without any reference to a human father, re-emphasizes the
miraculous conception of Jesus Christ.
This Qur’anic verse clearly tells us that
his conception took place through the aid of GOD'S SPIRIT. It states: “WE BREATH INTO HER OF OUR SPIRIT .” Centuries before the Qur’an even came into existence the Holy Bible attested to this truth:

Matthew1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place
in this way. When his mother Mary had
been betrothed to Joseph, before they
came together she was found to be with
child from the HOLY SPIRIT.

Both the quran and bible agree, Jesus was conceived through a virgin, but the quran did not state the reason.being the SON OF GOD there is NO other way to have been conceived ONLY through the virgin birth. If you don't know the father of Jesus ,you do not know the true God.

Love this.

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Jummymine:
First, Jesus had no father, he only had a mother. However, other prophets mentioned in the Qur'aan were mentioned almost every time without adding their father's name. This is jut to stress the humanness of Jesus, so that we are not distracted by the fact that he had no father and be mislead that God must be his father then, as many apparently are!!!
that is why Allaah said in the Qur'an 3:59, "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be." And he was."
Also in the Qur'aan 5:75, "Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!"
In a lngthy passage after describing Jesus's wonderful birth and his miracles, Allaah said in Qur'aan 19:34-35, "Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is."

NOTE THAT BEING BORN WITHOUT A FATHER OCCURS REGULARLY IN NATURE. parthenogenesis is a type of asexual reproduction in which the offspring develops from unfertilized eggs. It is particularly common amongst arthropods and rotifers, can also be found in some species of fish, amphibians, birds, and reptiles, but not naturally in mammals. In 1938, scientists made a male rabbit without a father!!! if Allaah created a male without a father, it's His prerogative. Sadly billions are now worhipping that special creature. Sad!

So many things are wrong with this your post.

Firstly, the quran goofed by saying ''The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be." And he was''.
How was Jesus like Adam? Did Adam have a mother? ''Be and he was'' is also incorrect when it comes to the creation of Adam and the birth of Jesus. Be and he was should mean the SPOKEN WORD but neither Adam nor Jesus was spoken into existence.

No other human came into existence with a mother but no father. Therefore you are wrong to assert that being born without a father is a regular occurrence in nature. Human nature is not the same as animal nature. If am wrong, tell me which other human was born by a woman without a father.

mubarakopeyemi:
Your question is very silly as it reeks of ineptitude or lack proper digestion of word usage while scriptures are translated that's why I didn't bother myself on giving u a response in that regards coz what u do best is try to find a rat where there's no hole.

you and your brethren have failed to answer this question all your brethren did was to give me a response whuch does not in any way solve the matter at hand. can u please enlighten me since u have the knowledge. thanks.

It is because you couldn't answer the question you called it silly. What an unclever way of avoiding trouble. You have been deceived. It is a pity.

Annunaki:
You should know the answer to this na, allaah already confessed in the quoran that he is the best of deceivers.

Of course I know the answer, I only want to open the muslims' eyes to the falsehood of islam.

Annunaki:
You should know the answer to this na, allaah already confessed in the quoran that he is the best of deceivers.

Of course I know the answer, I only want to open muslims' eyes to the falsehood of islam.

mubarakopeyemi:
let me even explain this and shut u up. and at least help the plight of your ignorance a bit.

The conceivation of Iesa was not natural Mar'yam conciecevd iesa in the holy way. Not through physical sexual intercourse. So now we can't say Joseph is his biological father since he didn't have the intercourse and not his semen begot Iesa.

Now neither can we say Allah is the Father also because Allah was not born and he doesn't born a child as said in Quran 112.

Quran 112 (Surah al'ikhlas).
112:1 - Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,
112:2 - Allah, the Eternal Refuge
112:3 - He neither begets nor is born
112:4 - nor is there to Him any equivalent.

Allah is wiser than you. that's why Iesa was mentioned with his mother's name. not with his Father's.

So long....

You didn't make any sense here.

Why would allahh add Joseph to Jesus name if he was his biological father? Why didn't he add Abdullai to Muhammad's name in the quran?

That Jesus didn't have a natural father is not a reasonable reason to always identify him by his mother's name. Am yet to come across a fanatical muslim who reasons properly. Smh!

mubarakopeyemi:
Seriously I never knew you were this backward. But its fine tho. I guess Allah was also hiding the identity of Moses' mother and Father by not putting his father/mother's name while mentioning him. how about that

lol. Mugaffal

You are not answering the question but instead you are adding to it. Why wasn't allahh adding Moses mother's name to him like that of Jesus?

Kreysik:
Which is the true God...the father,the son or the holy spirit? Maybe you forgot to add a "s" to spelling

Our God, the true God, Yahweh is more than able to manifest Himself in as many forms as He wishes. He is capable of any mysterious and miraculous acts. He is not limited to space like allahh who can only be reached facing Kaaba.

Our God, the true God is a Healer, which allahh is not capable of doing. Tell me anyone healed by allahh. Even when Muhammad's jihadits ate poison, allahh couldn't do anything about it. Both Muhammad and many of his followers died of ordinary poison.

I think you can now see the difference between the true God and allahh who lacks the power to be Almighy God.

mubarakopeyemi:
you! are the one who needs to stop deceiving yourself.

how market

Why are you unable to explain why allahh deceived the muslims about the true person of Jesus?

Why was he saying Jesus the son of Mary and not Muhammad the son of Amina or Ishmael the son of Hagai?

mubarakopeyemi:
I weep for your ignorance.

by the way what's your solution to the topic

Why did you dodge my questions?

My brethren had already refuted the OP, which you posted based on your lack of knowledge of salvation. May the true God deliver you.