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tola9ja:
may Almighty Allah show you his patch before you leave the surface of the earth

Allah, the god you worshp like an idol is not the owner of heaven. The true God is not worshiped islamically as they do in Mecca. God forbid I become an idolater after knowing Jesus. The path of allahh leads to hell (Quran 3:185, 19:72).

vooks:
So Mohammed has not enjoyed Allah brothels since he checked out?

Yes o! He has not.

maverickboy:
You really tried in your pursuit to discredit Islam. but I'm afraid, you have got a long journey to embark on. The content of the Shahada is TOO big for your microscopic knowledge about anything Islamic. So, you are hereby advised to drop the argument, quell the brouhaha and never muster up such guts as to debate Muslims on this kind of topic.

Peace... I rise!!!

So, your defence is leave it as it is.

mubarakopeyemi:

What is your take on those biblical verses that prove Jesus was being referred to by Moses' prophesy?

Why is it that muslims could not refute islam as idolatry and yet you believe it is from God?

DON'T RUN AWAY O!

aminusanti:
Why do u always have to lie if you have no clue?? Anyways dis is not the first seeing pple quoting ur lies on NL, u should be ashamed of urself. Whatever anyone says to you goes in one ear and out the other because nothing is blocking traffic.

You said:
"you tried to change the wordings of the Bible fraudulently. Deutronomy 18 says '' among YOUR brethren and not among THEIR brethren as you deceitfully posted. It shows your god is a liar."

And this is what KING JAMES BIBLE said:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him"

Who is the Lair there you or ur Uncle king james

I dnt even have to go into d remaining rubbish u post..

Don't get insulted, but is your job devoted to spreading ignorance??

Why didn't you bother to read the whole post? It shows you read with biased mind and not to discover the truth.

Besides, what is your take about those verses of the Bible that prove Jesus was the person Moses prophesy was referring to?

You don't have any point. The truth is you don't understand how to read the Bible. The statement in Deuteronomy 18:18 is a reported speech. God told Moses to tell the Israelites ''I (God) will raise up a Prophet from among THEIR brethren like unto thee.

Among THEIR brethren in that context means YOUR brethren in a direct speech. The ruth of the matter is that those to whom the prophesy was given have seen it fulfilled as you could see in those New Testament verses I cited above.

But my friend, why do you thing God would send Muhammad to return the world to paganism as practiced in islam?

I proved to you all that islam is paganism and I gave the link, which none of you could refute. WHY ARE YOU MUSLIMS SILENT ON IT AND YET CONTINUE WITH ISLAM? Would God send Muhammad to the world to revive what (paganism) He hates? Nowhere in Judaism or Christianity do we have them venerating Kaaba, which is claimed to have been in existence since the time of Abraham?

Jesus and ALL other Bible prophets never talked about Kaaba, then if it is truly the house of God and a resort for mankind, why was it then restricted to Meccan pagans before Muhammad came?

Practically speaking, the way you worship allahh in is the same way pagans worship their idol in Arab, Africa, Asia and everywhere in the world. Shaving heads, tieing white clocth from shoulder down, facing a particular direction etc. Where did you see God worshiped that way before the advent of Muhammad? It doesn't take rocket science to discover Muhammad brought idolatry as the worship of the true God.

[quote author=tola9ja post=39656036][/quote]Comedian.

[quote author=tola9ja post=39652268][/quote]You are joking with your eternal life. You are to be pitied.

Where are these jîhadists na?
Have you exhausted your stock of abuses?
No defence, no abuse. Cover your faces with your hands in shame.

[quote author=tola9ja post=39643256][/quote]Look at an islamist's defence to very serious allegations of islam being idolatry

You muslim guys should better repent before you soon find yourseves in hell.

aminusanti:
Perhaps your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others, u ll never learn despite all the tons of proofs given to previously on the same topic.. Even in ur diluted book our beloved prophet was prophesied long before his coming

Christians manipulate bible verses to fit their personal views, Everything that doesn't fit their personal views is taken out of context or is "not interpreted correctly", but then the verses that they agree with are to be taken literally. Isn't that biased? The problm is u pple r already misled

John 14:16 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.” is this referring to you Tell me holy spirit then I will elaborate it to u again

John 16:13 “But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come"

Deuteronomy 18:18 “I (God) will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.” is this Referring to jesus?
The prophet will be like Moses look at the table below and tell us which one is like moses?

Muslims misinterpret the Bible to forcefully insert Muhammad into it. It has been proved beyond resonable doubt that Muhammad's allahh is the Devil pretending to be God. But from the way of islamic worship we know his true identity. Muslim could not refute islam being arabian idolatry. Read this here and see for your self:

https://www.nairaland.com/2644778/islam-meccans-religions-before-it

Were Ismaelites among the Israelites to whom Moses was prophesying. Mose prophesied the coming prophet would come among the Israelites he was addressing: AMONG YOUR BRETHREN, Moses gave a prophesy to Israelites, how reasonable is it for the prophesy to come to pass in Arabs? Islam is a lie from the pit of hell.

In your post, you tried to change the wordings of the Bible fraudulently. Deutronomy 18 says '' among YOUR brethren and not among THEIR brethren as you deceitfully posted. It shows your god is a liar.

How was Muhammad like Moses as a prophet?

Was Moses a pedophile like Muhammad?

Was Moses sleeping with slaves after many wives like Muhammad?

Was Moses exchanging old wives for new ones?

Was Moses beheading people to convert them to Judaism?

Now, look at the fulfillment of Moses prophesy:

John 1:45
Philip findeth Nathanael and
saith unto him, We have found
him, of whom MOSES in the law
and the prophets did write, Jesus
of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

And he (Jesus) said unto them,
These are the words which I
spake unto you while I was yet
with you, that all things must be
fulfilled, which were written in
the law of MOSES and in the
PROPHETS and in PSALMS,
concerning ME (Luke 24:44).

Jesus said ALL prophets including Moses prophesised about him as can be seen in the verse.

ISLAM HAS NO PLACE IN GOD'S PLAN OF SALVATION:

And this GOSPEL of the kingdom
shall be preached in ALL the
WORLD for a witness unto ALL
NATIONS and then SHALL THE
END COME (Mat. 24:14).

God's plan is that it is the
GOSPEL that will be preached till
the end of the world, then who
sent Muhammad to bring islam?


STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF.

tola9ja:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3024250_images4_jpegc9fde20fd03e82b2cce033fc19f5260b

You islamists have no shame. Islam is accused of idolatry and all you could say is abuses. It shows you have accepted that islam is paganism as you have nothing to refute the allegations. Then why are you in islam as a false religion?

Why do you believe the falsehood of the quran now that it has been made clear to you that it is not from the true God?

Why do you still believe what the quran says about the Bible and the Christians now that you know it is lying?

How will you go to God's heaven worshiping an idol (allahh)?

Look up to heaven and pray: ''God'' reveal the truth about Yourself to me. If you do so sincerely, am sure a miracle of salvation will happen in your life.

Maamin:
BLEESING IN arabic = Barakat

MERCY In arabic = Rahma

none of those words are in your quoted verse

here is the true translation of "Oh Allah make thy BLESSING be upon Muhammad just as you BLESSED Abraham and his companions."

"ya alllah jaeal albarakat khassatk takun ealaa muhammad kama barakat 'iibrahim w rifaqahu."

i think you lied..i dont think you understand the arabic that you have been quoting..

#truthman2012 dont let him deceive you with such quote pls!

Thanks bro.

aminusanti:
Was ur uncle the savior saved from the cross according to ur novel bible??
U r d dumbest pson I hv ever come across on dis NL

Nonsense!

Did Jesus go on the cross unknowingly? His death on the cross had been prophesised long before he was born. The reason He came was to die on the cross for MANKIND.

He was unlike Muhammad who ate poison unknowingly. Allah had no remedy for poison and so they died like rats.

BETATRON:
yes the jews labelled ezra has the son of God never said they believed in more than one God.I only said they gave a child to him

Secondly the KaBAH was built by ABRAHaM and ISHMEAL but wasn't visited by moses and jesus because these prophets where actually sent to the jews..I actually meant that " was the kabah in the jewish land during the time of moses and jesus"

Three how come it was built by abraham and for what purpose was it built?
Who or what was jesus referring to when he said "the stone which the builders reject has become the head stone of the corner or the chief corner stone-psalms118-22...knowing fully well that of the two sons of abraham the descendants of Ishmael were rejected? Could this be the parable that jesus was pondering about

Silence is a great speech!!that they are all silent to the topic cannot be your reason for claiming they cannot answer it that not how to reach to a conclusion

Surely, you have joined other muslims who could not refute islam as paganism as you couldn't comment on the post in the link.

The Jews are the descendants of Abraham. He lived in Israel like Moses and Jesus. If it is true Abraham left Israel to build Kaaba in Mecca, why couldn't Moses and Jesus leave Israel to visit it? Besides, Kaaba is claimed to be a house of God and a resort for ALL mankind (i.e everybody on earth), why would Moses and Jesus not visit it even though they lived in Israel? Doest it matter Kaaba is not in Israel for them not visiting it, when people all over the world do? You have no point friend. You keep changing your statements as soon as they are faulted.

You said and I quote
''Who or what was Jesus referring to when he said "the stone which the builders reject has become the head stone of the corner or the chief corner stone''.
Did you carefully notice the construction of that statement? The stone which the builders rejected HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNER STONE. The statement is in the past participle,meaning the stone had already become the chief corner stone at the time of Jesus, a very long time before the advent of Muhammad. It is a past and not a future tense. Therefore, that statement was not referring to Muhammad or his religion that was yet to exist.

I pity the muslims, they say the Bible is corrupt, yet they keep searching it to justify islam. Smh!

parisbookaddict:
Mohammed is islamic allahs only prophet.. that part of the shahada is accurate..muslim ignorance is disturbing to say the lest..they embrace it..

Apart from muslims being hypnotized by islamic spirit, islam is easy to detect as a scam.

BETATRON:
its really a waste of time replying you
Your logic is too poor I wonder how you reason(no offense meant) moses and jesus didn't visit the kabah.was the kabah there during their time?

The people of mecca were actually pagans before the advent of islam just like the isrealites before the advent of moses and other prophets sent to them..

The jews also believe that God has a son and even use the bible for black magic and sorcery how will they believe in the SAME GoD as the MUSLIM...
Stop using the dumb logic of saying because so so and so didn't believe this then it is not true.its just show how unintelligent you are...what is your own backing for not believing in it

Oh! I can now see how ignorant you are. If the Jews believe in the son of God, why did they reject Jesus as one?

Deut. 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our
God is one LORD.

That should show you the Jews believe in one God and yet their one-God is not islamic allahh.

Was the Kaaba there during Moses and Jesus time? What a question from you. You must be a layman in islam. For your information, the quran lies that Adam the first man on earth laid the foundation of Kaaba and was built by Abraham who lived hundreds of years before Moses and Jesus. Then how come Moses and Jesus didn't talk about it? It shows the quran lied.

You lack proper understanding of islam you claim to know. Do you know why other muslims have been silent? They know it is not easy to get away with defending islam with lies on this forum. The way you speak in this your post under quote, it appears you too want to run away. It is normal for you to run away as darknes cannot withstand light, just as falsehood cannot withstand truth.

I noticed all islamists including you ran for the thread I gave you the link. Why would muslims continue to deceive themselves having known islam is another name for paganism. I tell you the truth, when allahh said he is a deceiver he meant what he was saying.

Desist from islam and embrace Jesus Christ to avoid eternal damnation.

DON'T REMAIN DECEIVED.

tartar9:
That's it

That is what?

BETATRON:
..if christians believed in one God and not the trinitarian gos but to dem by paul(saul) they wouldn't see any difference between the God they worship and that which the muslims worship
Why? Muslims also accept a lot of biblical prophets and also also believed in the basics what christians believe in only that they don't believe in trinity and also so christians too dnt believe in it,and do not believe in adamic sins cause it is clearly stated in the bible that the son will not be punished for the sins of the father,and finally do not accept the cruxifiction of christ because justice demands that every man is held accountable for what they do ans God doesn't need blood sacrifice to forgive all he need do is say I Forgive you and you're FoRGIVEN,

Forget about Christian Trinity, even the Jews who believe in one God do not believe in islam. The Jews believe in one God and muslims also believe in one god, yet they don't worship the same God. The islamic one-god is about the 360 gods in Kaaba giving way to only allahh their head.

The muslims worship their own one god like pagans do to their god. How can the Almighty God be worshiped like ordinary idols as muslims do? It is satan's strategy to deceive mankind to worship an idol thinking they are worshiping the true God.

You will see in this link how muslims worship an arabian idol as their one-god. Read it and let me have your comment.

https://www.nairaland.com/2644778/islam-meccans-religions-before-it

Note that neither Moses nor Jesus ever visited Kaaba to worship. The Jews and Christian also do not recognise Kaaba as the house of God because it is not.

BETATRON:
Yes that was because all of them actually preached the unity of God,just like the muslims also believe that God is 1,begets not and wasn't begotten.like you know the trinity came AFTER the advent of christ.and even jesus never called himself God...
What I will like to ask is if you truely follow christ why don't you pray the way he did in the bible

They all actually preached the unity of which God, Yahweh or allahh since the duo are not the same Being or Spirit?

BETATRON:
another gross logic
the traditional god also existed b4 your yahweh..why then belief in yahweh came years after...this isn't the logic for accepting a God as the true God..in requires pondering. And logic,knowledge and understanding..
Your logic is the reason why most people find comfort in being born in a particular religion and simply follow that which their parents believe in

But allahh referred to some prophets of Yahweh as true prophets, showing he is the true God.

BETATRON:
here he goes again..the kabah is only a mean for the establishment of uniformity not the direction that points to ALLAH..How will he hear your prayers IF HE is not every where
The human loves uniformity just like in the church everybody faces the alter not because God stays there but because uniformity is needed
The jews and the christians don't worship the same God to begin with so which of them is worshiping the true God. Knowing that the bible even came to the jews. secondly some factions of the christians believe in trinity and some don't although does who do are more than who don't..so the christians to have various beliefs and doctrines about God which is why they have different churches,so which of this faction is worshipping the True God?
If moslims don't worship the christians God who themselves have different views about but instead worship one God and all of them share the same view about Him...what wrong have they done
I think you should correct the short comings in your religion before delving into another religion and simply believing whatever the internet tells you without applying your reasoning

Everybody facing the altar is not for uniformity but for common sense. It is a common sense to face a speaker even in ordinary discussions. The speaker or preacher stands on the altar and the congregation has to face him.

You didn't answer my question: Since the Jews and Christians believe in Yahweh the only true God known before islam, who is allahh that surfaced very long time later?

And they say: "Why are not
miracles sent down to him from
his Lord? Say: "The signs are
ONLY WITH ALLAH, and I am only a
plain warner."
Qur'an 29:50.

The signs are only with allahh means only allahh have power for miracles. Therefore a Messenger cannot perform miracles.

We have made some of these
apostles to excel the others;
among them are they to whom
Allah spoke, and some of them
He exalted by (many degrees
of) rank; and We gave clear
miracles to Isa son of Marium,
and strengthened him with the
holy spirit.
Qur'an 2:253.

According to the quran, Jesus can do what only allah can and that is miracles. No other messenger else is said to be capable of doing miracles in islam.

That no messangers can do miracles in islam shows Jesus is more than a messenger.

aminusanti:
I swear you guys don't have any idea on how useless and lame ur posts are. Just look at what both of you are posting now pls and you expect a sensible person to waste his time on you going back and forth... just go back and read what "mubarakopeyemi" replied you...instead of u to notice it's all due to ur non-sense post pple are ignoring u even ur fellow kafir they hardly comments bcus they r seeing the facts yet you are still bragging thinkin that u are doing sometin...

Trash!!!

Allah cannot save anybody from danger. He couldn't save Muhammad and his jihadists from poison.

BETATRON:
is there any valid proof to back this statement?
We no that idols are visible and immobile,,if Allah is an idol why do the muslim believe that HE is everywhere
Lastly the word Allah is indeed profound cause it has no pronoun like GOdS and Has no feminine equality like Goddess...what better word could be used to classify the ONE TRUE GOD iF NOT ALLAH

That allahh is not visible doesn't make him the true God. It is not his body that is worshiped but his spirit. Many idols like allahh have no physical bodies, e.g Osun.

Allahh is not everywhere and that is why you cannot face any other direction apart from Kaaba to contact him.

I have quranic evidences that allahh is not the God of the Jews and Christians. Quran 9:29 says the Jews and Christians don't believe in allah: Quran 9:29 ''Fight against such
of those who have been given the
Scripture as BELIEVE NOT IN ALLAH nor the Last Day, and forbid not
that which Allah hath forbidden by
His messenger, and follow not the
Religion of Truth, until they pay
the tribute readily, being brought
low''

If the Jews and Christians don't believe in Muhammad, what do they believe in? Yahweh. It shows Yahweh that was known to be the true God for ages before Muhammad's allah are not the same.

Quran further confirms Yahweh is not allahh:

Quran109:1-6] Say: O disbelievers! (i.e Jews and Christians who disbelieve allah)
2. I worship not that which ye worship;
3. Nor worship ye that which I worship.
4. And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion

Since the quran says allahh is not the God of the Jews and Christians, who is he other than the head of the 360 idols inside Kaaba.

Allahh is worshiped the exact way the meccan pagans worship their idols, proving further that he is the head of the idols:

https://www.nairaland.com/2644778/islam-meccans-religions-before-it

BETATRON:
your logic only shows our starkly ignorant you are about the subject matter
Or will it be the case of letting your sentiments cloud your understanding
Well here is a gospel for you "do not let your hatred for a people drive your toward committing injustice"
Back to the topic...muhammad is the messenger of God doesn't mean God has no other messenger its just like saying truthman is my friend that doesn't mean I have no friend if you truely read the koran and not just go to some sites and pick up nonsensical things you will find there in that "moses,abraham,noah,joseph et al" were all mentioned as prophets of God
Secondly its actually "There is non worthy of worship except God,the christian believe that there is non worthy of worship to expect God(the father,the son,and the holyghost) so what are you trying to do by Going against the statement "there is non worthy of worship except God?

Trash!

Allah is not God, he is an arabian idol. He was the head of the 360 idols in Kaaba before Muhammad changed his status to God.

BETATRON:
What's this one saying?

Don't you understand English?

tartar9:
even the dullard paul will be ashamed at his daft followers dumb arguments.

When muslims lack what to say, they resort to abuses. Smh!

You guys don't realize you are in satanic bondage. It is a pity.

What and where is the ignorance?
I gave the link to the islamic site for all to see.

The Shahada is the first of the Five Pillars of Islam, expressing the two fundamental beliefs that make a person a Muslim: There is no god but Allah,and Muhammad is Allah's prophet. Sincere recitation of the Shahada is the sole requirement for becoming a Muslim, as it expresses a person's rejection of all other gods.

There is no god but Allah shows Allah is a god. This means recognizing only Allah among other gods.

It would have been a different thing if shahada reads: There is no God but allah.

Again, that Muhammad is Allah's prophet means only Muhammad is the prophet of Allah.

It would have been a different thing if it reads: Muhammad is one of the prophets of Allah.

Therefore, if allah is a god, he cannot be Almighty God.

https://www.google.com/search?q=there+is+no+god+but+allah&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Allah aka Al-liar is a liar and deceiver. He claimed Muhammad is mentioned in the Jews and Christians Scriptures. Why didn't he say the chapter and verse where he is mentioned?

Jesus said all prophesis about the coming prophets by the earlier prophets are referring to him:

And he (Jesus) said unto them,
These are the words which I
spake unto you while I was yet
with you, that all things must be
fulfilled, which were written in
the law of MOSES and in the
PROPHETS and in PSALMS,
concerning ME (Luke 24:44).

The above passages are a
pointer to the fact that all bible
prophecies by MOSES and other
PROPHETS are referring to Jesus.
Muhammad has no record in the
bible.

Islam is not in God's plan as
Jesus Gospel is God's final
message to the world:

And this GOSPEL of the kingdom
shall be preached in ALL the
WORLD for a witness unto ALL
NATIONS and then SHALL THE
END COME (Mat. 24:14).

God's plan is that it is the
GOSPEL that will be preached till
the end of the world, then who
sent Muhammad to bring islam? Satan.

Owliver:
Both moderate and extrimists and terrorist. the extrimists go bombing and when you criticize the moderate comes out to defend the religion. they are all fighting the jihad together. ISLAM IS EVIL

Very evil!

They call islam a religion of Abraham. Was Abraham a terrorist like Muhammad? Satan (allahh) is a liar.

We need to be making loud noise to make the world know islam is not from God. Satan is catching on the ignorance of the people, especially the Christians that islam also leads to God. But by their fruits we have known them.

Yesterday I watch on the television the plight of the Internally Displaced Persons (IDP) at the North-Eastern Nigeria. This would not have happened if not for Muhammad and his evil quran from which the terrorists derive their inspiration. Nobody can read the Bible and become a terrorist. Not possible.

As we post on nairaland let us also teach our children, brothers and sisters and even our parents the EVIL islam represents. IT CANNOT BE OVER EMPHASISED.