mubarakopeyemi: in anyway here have you justify why God still has to suffer his son just to simply forgive. he should be self sufficient enough to look away from the sins. which means God has to take something like a sacrifice before he can forgive and Jesus was the sacrifice yeah?
But is Jesus not God shey?
back to your delusional last statement
Allah the Gracious, the Merciful.
Quran 40:1-3 1. Ha-Mim. 2. The revelation of the Book (this Qur'an) is from Allah the All-Mighty, the All-Knower. 3. The Forgiver of sin, the Acceptor of repentance, the Severe in punishment, the Bestower (of favours), La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), to Him is the final return.
Allah will forgive disbelievers if the repent and desist from evil. Allah's legacy and evil people or disbelievers or wrongdoers are not the same. evil and good aint the same. Good definitely will not like evil.
Not a convincing argument. You know. Allah (swt) extends his love to everyone, and only those who cast aside Gods love are those who God does not love. So rather, God loves everyone, except those who decide to dismiss or reject his love. Satan would be the perfect example. God extended his love for satan when he was in heaven with the angels, but when Satan challenged and disobeyed God did God not love Satan. Another quick point I had to make is that even the bible shows that God did not love everyone. Romans 9:13, Psalms 5, etc... are good examples showing God hating not only the sin but the sinners. So here is a question for you, Did Yahweh Love EVERYONE?
Romans 9:13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
Psalm 5
1 Listen to my words, Lord, consider my lament.
2 Hear my cry for help, my King and my God, for to you I pray.
3 In the morning, Lord, you hear my voice; in the morning I lay my requests before you and wait expectantly.
4 For you are not a God who is pleased with wickedness; with you, evil people are not welcome.
5 The arrogant cannot stand in your presence. You hate all who do wrong;
6 you destroy those who tell lies. The bloodthirsty and deceitful you, Lord, detest.
7 But I, by your great love, can come into your house; in reverence I bow down toward your holy temple.
8 Lead me, Lord, in your righteousness because of my enemies— make your way straight before me.
9 Not a word from their mouth can be trusted; their heart is filled with malice. Their throat is an open grave; with their tongues they tell lies.
10 Declare them guilty, O God! let their intrigues be their downfall. Banish them for their many sins, for they have rebelled against you. Work on that. Thanks.
Nowhere in the quran that Jesus name is mentioned without identifying him with his mother's name. ''Jesus the son of Mary''. But when other prophets (including Muhammad) are mentioned, their mother's name and even the father's name are not attached, why that of Jesus?
Jesus came from a place where people are addressed by their fathers name. Even in Arab's culture, they do address people by their father's name.
It should be clear to all right thinking people that addressing ONLY Jesus by his mother's name is a deliberate denial by islamic allahh to deceive mankind about the true identity of Jesus as the Son of the Father.
malvisguy212: that is your only excap rout(condemned the bible) I put it on you, muhammed keep on misinterpreting the christians doctrine, which christians sect take Mary as a deity? NONE, were did he got the idea from?
You guys did not answer my question. Dint the muslims build mosque on muhammed tomb? Yes or no.
Not surprising allah is fond of lying. He owned up to be a master deceiver.
Where did he see any Christians taking Mary as a member of Godhead?
Empiree: What question?. Is it about building place of worship over the grave?. Wasn't this explained earlier to you?. You cant decipher the explanation given thats why you get confused. If Christians could locate "tomb of Jesus" long time ago they would have built church over it. That's why cross means so much to you. Here, read further.
It is authentically reported on the authority of `Aa`ishah that Um Salamah (May Allah be pleased with them both) told the Messenger of Allah (may Peace Be Upon Him) about a church she had seen in Abyssinia in which there were pictures. The Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) said: "Those people, when a righteous member of their group or a pious slave (of Allah swt ) dies, they build a mosque over his grave and make images therein; by so doing, they combine two evils: (i) The evil of the graves and (ii) the evil of images." 1
`Aa`ishah tells us that Um Salamah informed her that she had told the Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) about a church in Abyssinia which she saw when she migrated there with her husband in which there were images. The Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) then explained to her the significance of what she had seen: That the Christians, when a pious man from among them died, would build an edifice over his grave and place his image in it in order to remember him and be inspired by his piety; and he added that these people were the worst of people in the sight of Allah because they had combined two sins: (i) The sin of building over graves which may lead eventually to the worship of their occupants; and (ii) the sin of making images of living creatures which may also lead to worship of those images when the original purpose of their making has been forgotten.
Benefits Derived From This Hadith
1. The acceptability of the evidence of a truthful woman.
2. That placing images in places of worship is among the deeds of the Christians.
3. The forbiddance of building mosques over graves.
Kreysik: Mohammad didn't die of poison mr-op the pitiable thing is people kept accepting your false claim like zombies without you providing any valid proof
Come to think of it,should mohammad's death due to poisoning be a proof of God punishment on him if so wasn't it stated in the bible that a lot of prophets where killed by the jews,even the so called son of God "christ" was crucified and even lamented "my lord my lord why hath thou forsaken me" as if that wasn't enough He was also tormented in hell by his loving father...I guess this scenario is a proof of Gods love for christ and mohammad's FALSIFIED poisoning is a proof of hatred It is astonishing how vast majority of youth sail in a boat made of clay
What other proof do you want more than you have in the OP? Did you read it?
malvisguy212: NO the post did not by NO mean answer my question, were did muhammed got the idea, "christians and Jews build temple on there dead prophet tomb" ?
Hi bro.
Where did Muhammad get the idea from? This is the type of questions I love to search in the quran. Allah and Muhammad (if not the same person) are fond of saying things that are not true.
I won't be surprised that muslims are not able to answer the question because the statement is false.
plappville: They cant answer this tough question ooo. They abandoned a thread with this same subject ....
Thank you sister.
There are so many unanswered questions in islam:
When Muhammad wanted to marry Zainab, the wife of his son, allahh said it was nothing unusual, that prophets of old did the same. Then I asked the muslims to tell which prophets did so before him, up till now none of them could tell. Allah lied as usual.
When satan cast words into Muhammad's mouth (satanic verse saga), allahh said it was not peculiar to him alone and that it so happened to other prophets before him. Then I asked the muslims, which other prophets had the same experience but no answer. allah lied as usual.
Allah said Ishmael was a prophet who was given a Scripture, then I asked where is the Scripture but no reasonable answer. Rilwayne' answer here was a lie. He said the quran is Ishmael Scripture. Who was given the quran, Ishmael or Muhammad? Where was Ishmael Scripture written before the coming of Muhammad?
plappville: [size=14pt][Think of it, Hindus living with Jews no problem, Bahá’i living with Jews no problem, Jews living with Hindus no problem, Sikhist living with hindu no problem, Hindus living with bais no problem, Christians living with Jews no problem, Jews living with buste no problem, Shintos living with Odinist no problem, Buddist living with Sikhists no problem, Baháis living with christians no problem, buddist living with Shintos no problem, buddist living with Hindus no problem, hindus living with Christians only a rare problem, Odinist living with buddist no problem, confucianist living with Hindus no problem, Odinist living with confucianist no problem.
And now lets see. Muslims living with the Jews PROBLEM, muslims living with SIKHISTS problem, muslims living with Hindus problem, muslims living with Baháis problem, muslims living with Shintos problem, muslims living with buddist problem, muslims living with christians problem, muslims living with Odinist problem, Muslims living with muslims very BIG problem.
So this led to’ they are not happy in Gaza, Egypt, Libya, Iran,Irak, Yemen,Pakistan, Syria Lebanon, Nigeria, Kenya, Sudan,Morocco, and Afghanistan. So where are they happy? They are happy in AUSTRALIA, BELGIUM, FRANCE HOLLAND, ITALY, Germany, Spain Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Denmark, they are happy in the USA and Canada. They are very happy in ENGLAND more for the welfare benefits. They are happy in every country that is not islamic. And who do they blame?not Islam, not thier leadership, not themselves they blame the countries they are happy in and they want to change the countries they are happy in to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy. Islamic Jihad, un islamic terror organisation, isisi, alquida, talibans, boko haram, allusswa, Abu Sayyaf, ,Abyan islamic army,muslim brotherhood,lashkar-e-Tiba, égyptien islamic jihad, Ansaru, Abdullah Azzam brigades ,alshubab somalia. Hamas, Hezbollah, islamic jihad union, there are lot more. All terrorism today around the world is islamic. Not a hate but the bitter truth.
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Islamic terrorism is allahh inspired because he hates non-muslims. Quran testifies muslims are wicked against unbelivers (non-muslims).
Quran 48:29] Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are HARD against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves......
With all the atrocities committed by Muhammad the quran still calls him and the followers the best of mankind. What would he have done to be the worst of mankind?
The quran is a lie and allahh the best of deceivers.
basilico: I'll explain to you. When a Muslim child is born the parents whisper the shahada in his ears. This marks him as a Muslim throughout his entire life. At some tender age he has to go to the madrassa where through violence the child is taught Islam and how to recite the Quran in Arabic. At that tender self discover age the kid is brainwashed about Islam, its prophet , how to love the prophet more than anything else. The kid is taught that he should hate the disbelievers for life and should use taqqiya when faced with non Muslims. He is taught to hate non Muslims who R supposedly inferior to the Muslim. He is taught that non Muslims are hated by Allah and there is no penalty in murdering non Muslims. Demmzy is practicing what they are conditioned into growing up believing from a tender age. Indoctrination starts from birth . Add marrying cousins, mental retardation and this kid mind is closed to Islamic superior status for life. I can only pray for Muslims.
Go through the various hadiths cited in this thread.
Let me ask you: what was the nature of Muhammad sickness that killed him if not poison, with proof from hadith? Don't quote the formulated opinion of any islamic cleric.
wolesmile: Perhaps you should go get your story right. He died after twenty years of eating the said poison. No point arguing this further, unless you want us to bring out the human flaws in both religion.... and yours will be the worst hit. believe it!!!
Twenty years? Serious!
But what exists in islamic records is 3-4 years. What I have noticed in islam is that when a lie is exposed, they look for another one to cover up. Why do they deceive themselves? Instead of lying and covering up, why not embrace the truth, Jesus?
malvisguy212: the hadith I provide was clear for everyone to read and understand.
You quote this verse : "Today I have perfected your religion for you, and have bestowed upon you the full measure of My blessings, and willed that self-surrender unto Me shall be your way of life." QURAN 5:3
And your explanation to this indicate Allah revealed this verse to muhammed when he was about to die. Meaning Allah perfected the religion(islam) during muhammed time, in other word Abraham ,Moses ishmael etc were following an imperfect religion(islam) .
You are trying soo hard to twist your own quran,it seem that you know more than muhammed, if it is a trial then why did Gabriel pray for muhammed? Did Gabriel not known that it is a trial? The fact that Gabriel pray for his healing proved Gabriel did not know the will of Allah.
Jesus Has human nature , flesh and blood, Jesus feel pain like normal human will. He was on the cross and at that moment He was carrying the sins of the world, He pray to God the father and His prayer was not answer because of the sins upon Him, he became a curse so that I can be made innocent, the chestement of peace was upon Him. Isaiah went on and say "He was taken to His slaughter and He open not His mouth like a Lamb being leed to his slaughterer"
Muhammad died in 632 A.D. He died as a result of being poisoned following his attack upon and conquest of the Jewish settlement of Khaibar. About 2 month before his attack on Khaibar Muhammad failed in an attempt to go to Mecca. This failure resulted in the Treaty of Hudaybiyya with the Meccans. He returned humiliated in the eyes of the Meccans and in the minds of his people. To lift their defeated spirit, Muhammad told his followers that the events at Hudaybiyya were really a victory. In fact, another convenient "revelation" was given to Muhammad as proof that it really was a victory (Sura 48:1). However, Allah was not able to deliver the Meccan's goods as booty, so Muhammad told his followers that they were going to attack and plunder the weaker Jewish settlement of Khaibar.
About 6 weeks later Muhammad led his army and attacked the Jews while they were on their way to work on their date palms. Khaibar was a settlement defended by a number of forts spread apart from each other. One by one Muhammad's army took the forts. Finally, the last few surrendered to him. Muhammad had several of the leaders of the Jewish settlement beheaded, one leader (Kinana) was tortured to reveal where buried treasure was hidden. Then when Kinana was near death, Muhammad commanded that he be beheaded. Many of the women and children were enslaved. Muhammad even took the most beautiful woman for himself and married her (Safiyah).
Some of Khaibar's residents made a deal with Muhammad. Instead of enslaving them, which would leave the rich orchards of Khaibar to go untended and unproductive, the Jews would give Muhammad and the Muslims 1/2 of all of what they produced. Muhammad accepted the deal, with the stipulation that they could be expelled at his slightest whim. Years later, Umar expelled the last remaining Jews from Khaibar.
Immediately following the conquest of Khaibar, a Jewish woman prepared a dinner for Muhammad and some of his men. Unknown to the Muslims was that she had put a poison into the lamb (some say goat) that was served at dinner. Muhammad ate some of the poisoned lamb and died as a result three years later
Rilwayne001: What is the meaning of 'Martyr'? Simply answer my question, don't digress.
I would have told you to ask your islamic teacher for am not under your command.
A martyr is someone who SURRENDERS himself to be killed for his religious belief. This does not apply to Muhammad who ate poison unknowingly. If he had known he would not have eaten it. He tasted it and spewed it out.
Your point of argument is that Muhammad didn't die of poison thereby insinuating he died of a different cause, which you are unable to provide the cause.
Demmzy15: My bros this is what I call a knockout! Very nice!
Lol !!!
There is no substance in that post you call knockout.
Muhammad didn't die immediately like others because he TASTED the poisoned meat and SPEWED it out. If had SWALLOWED it he would have died immediately like others.
Can you imagine, he could survive only the TASTING.
Muhammad would have loved to die a matyr but he didn't, he died by poison:
Sahih al-Bukhari 2797 —The Prophet said, . . . “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is! I would love to be martyred in Allah’s Cause and then come back to life and then get martyred, and then come back to life again and then get martyred and then come back to life again and then get martyred.”
bashbabe2: Falsenam the desperado. See your life, having two threads with the same content. So this is also about poisoned lamb. Why are you so confused. This is what happens when you ontinue to open rubbish threads. You will continue to get restless and confuse. Sha don't give your self brain aneurysm from over analysing something you know nothing about. It's just an advice
Am always surprised at you. There has been no time you state any reason for saying a thread is untrue. You have never shown you know anything about islam. Your ignorance is first class.
neocortex: It is your moniker that made me asked because I initially thought you are one of the christians who are too ashamed to associate with their faith.
As to the role model for humanity, that is what the muslims believe and that is why every of a muslim action is expected to mirror that of the prophet. Even though you described him as a vile character, he did achieve greatness for his people , because for the first time in Arab history, they had a central figure and a religion to rally round. That is a great feat if you ask me.
Why did allahh save Jesus from death and allowed Muhammad to die of poison?
Annunaki: There is a sect in islam called sufism who are into mysticism. They mix up a lot of ancient mystical practises with their brand of islam and they zconsidered heretics by the main stream sunni Muslims. Infact practise of sufism is an offence punishable by death in saudi arabia and some other hard core islamic states. It is in sufism that miracles are claimed in islam.
Different people had different views as to which are signs of God. Allah says that there are signs of His Work everywhere in the universe and within ourselves - this is repeated again and again - and the command to go study the wonders of nature is oft-repeated too. The Quran is the ONLY divine scripture tht encourages man to increase his scientific knowledge, understanding and appreciation.
These non-believers who uttered these statement know nothing about God. Allah does not say that there are no signs - these were not his words. Far from it.
These disbelievers were always asking for signs and signs and signs. If Muhammad (pbuh) always answered their requests without them deserving it - this would beat the purpose of life - which is a test of faith at all fronts.
And they that know not say, 'Why does God not speak to us? Why does a sign (ayatun) not come to us?' So spoke those before them as these men say; their hearts are much alike. Yet We have made clear the signs (bayyanna al-ayati) unto a people who are sure. (2:118)
Not before this didst thou recite any Book, or inscribe it with thy right hand, for then those who follow falsehood would have doubted. Nay; rather it is signs, clear signs (ayatun bayyinatun) IN THE BREASTS of those who have been given knowledge; and none denies Our signs but the evildoers. They say, 'Why have signs (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Say: 'The signs (al-ayatu) are only with God, and I am only a plain warner.' What, is it not SUFFICIENT for them that We have sent down upon thee the Book that is recited to them? Surely in that is a mercy, and a reminder to a people who believe.29:48-51
Consider this from Mark 8
11The Pharisees came and began to question Jesus. To test him, they asked him for a sign from heaven. 12He sighed deeply and said, "Why does this generation ask for a miraculous sign? I tell you the truth, no sign will be given to it."
The Quran has tons of scientific, numerical and literary miracles.
There are loads of deceptions and inconsistencies in islam and that show it is not from the true God.
I cited verses of quran for you where allahh stated clearly that Muhammad, the greatest man in islam had no power for miracles, right? You turned your eyes away from them as if they are not correct. So when it comes to defending islam by muslims what the quran says does not matter again. I don't care what lies they fabricated in the video, I need your quranic verses where Muhammad HEALED anybody.
Was allahh lying when he said Muhammad couldn't do miracles? Is any muslim greater than him? If any muslim could do miracles, what is the source of his power, could it be the same allahh who didn't give Muhammad the power?
Now tell me, what HEALING did Muhammad or allahh did in the quran? Why was Muhammad not healed of the poison that killed him?
All the Signs and Wonders in the Universe you claimed for allahh is a lie. Those things had been done by Yahweh, the God of the bible before Muhammad proclaimed himself a prophet. Tell me what had not been created before islam came.
aminusanti: Mr Man you are still unaware Jesus was a Muslim and his religion was Islam in every sense but it wont make any sense to you as your heart is sealed... Both Jesus(PBUH) and Muhammad(PBUH) and all other prophets teach nothing but islam, they carried essentially the same message: Islam, that is, monotheism and submission to the will and guidance of God. However, the details were not identical, but varied to cope with the time and nation addressed.
While Jesus (peace be upon him) was sent specifically to the Israelites, Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sent to all humanity. This was emphasized by Jesus as well:
[But he answered and said, ‘I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.’] (Matthew 15:24)
In contrast, the Quran declares the universal message of Islam.
Jesus prophesized the coming prophet whose universal message will stay forever:
[And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— ] (John 14:16)
We have also seen that the utterances of Jesus have been supportive of and predicting about the rise of Muhammad (pbuh), and through him the belief Islam and the believing nation of Muslims, to which his followers are required to join.
In John 16: 12 & 13, Jesus says:
“I have yet many things to say unto you,
but you cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth, is come,
He will guide you into all truth; ”
Many things that Jesus would have liked to tell his followers have not been told to them, not because Jesus did not know them, but only because his followers were not ready to bear them at that time: “..... but you cannot bear them now.”
When Jesus (pbuh) states “you cannot bear them now”, it only refers to his followers and does not include himself, because he did not say: “WE cannot bear them now”.
Since Jesus didn't count himself among them in this matter, it means he was ready to bear them: the guidance that the expected prophet will bring. He was aware of them and he was ready to bear them. But did he follow in action what he knew and was ready for? Yes. He did much of what a Muslim would do and is expected to do. In fact, this begins to happen even while he anticipates arrest by the Roman rulers.
I don't want to talk again about Muhammad in the bible because it had been trashed many times on this forum.
You are yet to tell me the proof you were talking about in your earlier post. I have gone through the quran, nothing like proof of islam in it other than orders to kill infidels.
I noticed you didn't comment on Mat. 24:14 that nullifies the coming of islam as God expects only the Gospel to be preached till the end of the world. Who then sent Muhammad, definitely not the God of the Bible.
If Jesus was a muslim, how come He didn't mention Ishmael and Kaaba, which had been in existence before He came?
If Abraham truly built Kaaba, would Jesus not have visited there as the resort for mankind? Friend, stop deceiving yourself.
Would Jesus prophesy the coming of Muhammad, who islamic allahh used to return humanity to idol worship in the name of God. Everything you are doing in islam today were what idolaters were doing. When did Yahweh turn to an idol that is worshiped islamically?
aminusanti: Look at these 2 confused khafir with their man worshiping mentality, which one is which?? @truthman2012: It is not easy to opt out when in islamic bondage. @Annunaki:Rejecting islam is very common
With all your lame posts ISLAM has already prevailed just seek proper knowledge you will come to realize. Your copy and paste approach without further reading will make u more confuse not only with islam even with your blind worship u r doing...ALL the abusers behind keybords can say whatever suits them. BUT ONE THING IS SURE ABOUT THE VERSE IN THE QUR'AN THAT SAYS..
They try to put off the light of ALLAH with their mouths and ill sayings..BUT the light of ALLAH shall always prevail even if the UNBELIEVERS dislike it..!!
We show them proof yet they CHOOSE to remain on the path of wrong! Sad. They shall see. The truth shall avail, inshA. And God will show the liars the gracious hellfire.
Lol!!!
Your last paragraph: ....''We SHOW them PROOF....
What proof is there in the quran? Show me one.
We are unbelievers in the religion brought by the Devil named islam.
No room for islam in God's plan of salvation. Matthew 24:14 says ''And this GOSPEL of the kingdom will be preached in the WHOLE WORLD as a testimony to all NATIONS, and then THE END WILL COME''
That was Jesus statement about 650 years before Muhammad. The world was not expecting islam as the GOSPEL is expected to be preached till the END of the world.
Annunaki: But I know a lot of people that have abandoned islam. Rejecting islam is very common especially amongst educated south western Nigerians. It is the illiterate elements who are more ignorant that find it more difficult to reject Islam.
It is true but I believe those educated muslims in western Nigeria who rejected islam and became Christians must have received the mercy of God. There are many muslims who are Dr and Prof. and with their education they couldn't detect the lies of allahh.
Islamic spirits do not have much stronghold among the Yorubas, hence there is no violence in the west. The muslims there are not recognized as real muslims by islamic standard.
Annunaki: Thank God my progenitors were not foolish enough to accept islam and even if they had, I will have since abandoned the satanic religion like most sensible former muslims have.
Thank God you were not born a muslim. It is not easy to opt out when in islamic bondage. Look at born muslims arguing blindly at the face of obvious truth. It takes the grace of God and exposition of falsehood of islam for them to be converted.
plainbibletruth: You're right on point. Inability to defend their books makes them turn to pointing at what they think are flaws in the Bible. It's like saying "if your own is wrong too, then it is OK for me to believe my own" It's amazing that in the face of clear superiority of Jesus over Mohammed even in the Quran Muslims will still hold Mohammed in higher esteem. That is blindness of the highest order.
Yeah, you are right.
The flaw they think they find in the bible is due to their ignorance. When men expressed their own opinions, which might not be totally correct, they shout the bible God was wrong. Was it God or the men? The bible has a bit of history and not completely ''thus saith the Lord''. The quran that is said to be given directly by allahh is fraught with many errors.
Besides, even what they claim is wrong is due to lack of knowledge of the context.
It is unfortunate that muslims could not discern that the revealer of the quran is not the Creator. It was the Devil who pretended to be God.
Islam › Re: Why Did Allah Always Call Jesus By Mary's Name? by truthman2012(op): 4:21pm On Oct 23, 2015
Maybe they dnt believe God or joseph as jesus father but son of maryam 
,some muslim even called him son of holyghost or something like that
