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Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 9:35pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
micgray100: Oga Ttalk
Please where can I get original price list of fish feeds in Abuja... I really want to go into the business here in Kaduna. You will get at Kado Fish Market. Starter 0.5mm, 0.8mm 1.5mm (5kg) 10,000. 2mm and 3mm 9500 Nigeria floating - 2 and 3mm 7000 4mm 6500 Niigeria sinking 3800 to 5000 |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 7:08pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
chilanfarms: sir Ttalk how FCT fish's doing? Abuja is fine o my boss |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 9:18pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
choicest02: Fishmeal 72% for sale at large quantity @kyassou animal satisfaction ... At 38k only... Contact or whats app Mr Micheal on 08103147883 . .. We deliver to every part in Nigeria.. If you can deliver to Abuja then we can talk. Pls no payment before service. Deliver the goods and get paid Pls give additional information about the fishmeal |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 12:36pm On Feb 03, 2017 |
kennysympathy: There is no how you can get a uniform size.
You never thought of mortality rate. No mgt. Process will make you escape mortality. I quote my previous comment for haleemwale who is in need of feeding cost for melange. Question of mortality should not arise because there should be provision for mortality for every stocking. On sizes i used average in my estimation and management practise differ from farm to farm |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 6:31pm On Feb 02, 2017*. Modified: 10:37pm On Feb 02, 2017 |
Ttalk: It is possible to make profit. 3 fish of melange make one kg 300naira will feed 3fish that makes up 1kg Therefore, 100naira will feed 1 fish to attain average of 350gram For example 3000 melange will consume 300,000 naira for them to attain 1000kg @ average of 350gram per fish 150,000 @ average of 7,500 per bag will give you 20bags of floating feed that is 300kg of feed 150,000 naira for local feed of 600kg total feed equal 900kg Total weight of 3000melange give 1000kg 1000kg X 600(current price of melange) gross profit 600,000 - 300,000 equal 300,000 net profit (Note: The fish would attain average miinimum of 100gram each with floating feed) |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 11:40pm On Jan 31, 2017 |
jksxxxx: I have been following this thread since ..Find a good hatcher in ur location and ask him when he can select shooters get like 1500 shooters some sell at 20naira some 30naora depending on the person hatching the amont u spend on feeding shooters to a particular size can't be compared to the same amount u use in feeding normal post juvi...Like let's say u stock a pond with 1500 shooters first I will advice u to buy 2.5mm direct of skretting feeding since the shooters are bigger than Thier normal size 2 bag of skretting will last them for a 2 weeks after that blast them with vitamins mix with vitamins feed and I swear after 3 weeks people will feel ur fishes are two months old after they finish the two bags of skretting make sure u switch to top feed immediately ...What I have notice from experience is that skretting helps in fish growth of u have good fishes..Make sure the hatcher is honest some will use small hetro in hatching that will give u bad result so what matters is that u get a good fish .. for those starters never u buy fingerling even if it is 5naira for 10 fishes don't try it because it will waste ur time and money start with shooters and don't be lazy be there when the hatcher is counting some will give u 500 fishes and tell u it is 1000 ..So count with them ...And those of u asking for the cost estimate fish business u need to eat well before u go into it ..Me I don't really believe in local feed I use top feed for 3-4 no the then I get average size of 2kg when ur shotters get to 2 months they will eat one bag a day so be prepared and one bag of feed is over 6k when they get to 4 months it will increase to 2 bag a day for better growth use earth pond because of spacing u can sort the big one to one pond and leave the smaller one in another because the smaller one are oppressed during feeding ..So the price estimate to train 1500 jumpers for 4 to 5 months is about 500k to 600 when the fish get to 5 months u can switch to local feed to cut down cost ..But me I don't do that when I sold my last pond I had fishes of over 4kg I was really impressed with my result ..So if u are a new farmer please don't be stingy because one thing is this when u starve ur fish you reduce Thier growth and u will be the one to loss I think the idea of stocking first shooters is becoming obsolete. It is like looking for a first class gradute when lower credit can perform the same task. Firstly it is difficult to see 1500 shooters in 10,000 hatched fries. And the moment the shooters are isolated the competition begins leading to disparities in sizes. You can turned an average fingerlings into monster wthing aaceptable time with the following method provided the brood are of good quality 1. Buy young fingerlings that is between 3weeks to 6week after hatching 2. Feed with stater feed regardless what they are picking before you bought them 0.8mm to 1.5mm correct so many deficiency in fingerlings. 4. Feed more than twice daily to bootst their eating habit 5. Ensure you buy similar size and sort to ensure even sizes 6. Rear them for at least 2weeks in nursery pond before transfer to growing pond This simple strategy would transform average fish to perform like shooters. Similarly, local feed with good frmula will give you what top feed would give with less cost. And rearing shooters for 6month ....that seem to be too long period |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 9:22pm On Jan 30, 2017 |
Sirdik: Hello peepz.am a failed fishfarmer. I want to try again. I av 2 ponds n want to try again.could some 1 help me with cost analysis for raising 1000 juveniles to table size pls. You are not a failed farmer your approach in the past made your previous attempt failed. And you must have learnt your lesson. You can share with us your previous experience so we can suggest what to do. 300naira feed per fish to table size |
Politics › Re: Breaking news!!! Military Coup Removes Buhari As Comander In Chief Of The.... by Ttalk: 11:00am On Jan 30, 2017 |
realjoker: lucky Me. The rain are not until April. You are real joker |
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realjoker: BREAKING NEWS !!! Military coup has removed Buhari as comander in chief of the armed forces.Tension everywhere as recorded by front page _vanguard newspaper January 29 1984). Just love reading Nigeria old newspaper. Thunder fire your left yansh |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 9:04pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
excelsiorfarm: long i left abuja,but i think Ttalk is in abuja & some of our people here. I will only ask that "IF YOU ARE A FISHFARMER IN ABUJA,PLEASE IDENTIFY." I believe you want a sincere one,hence keep us posted from the response you get Present sir |
Politics › Re: BREAKING: Lagos Floors Nig. Govt In Supreme Court Over Control Of Federal Land by Ttalk: 4:53pm On Jan 27, 2017 |
Correct |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 8:22pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
excelsiorfarm: funny brother, the price of feeds cannot be this high & also you can do a few setup to aid alternatives feeding,like putting light over ponds for insects, kitchen waste,manure(good water mgt & dont overfeed ),maggot,duckweed,build poultry with limited birds over ponds for dual advantage. In all fish price is abit reasonable to make something if no wastages @ Excellecior and Ab1x below is the current price of feed in Abj precisely Kado Fish Market Skretting 0.7mm - 2,300 per kg Coppens 0.8mm - 10,200 for 5kg Coppens 1.5mm - 9,800 for 5kg Alea-aqua 2mm - 10,200 15kg Abuja farmers can confirm this |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 10:05pm On Jan 23, 2017 |
Nerica: The explanation given by Ttalk on melange is very interesting,can the same model be adopted for raising melange in earthen pond.If not please explain how. I should go about it for earthen pond to make a good profit. The model can be carried out in earthen pond provided there is means for continous sorting with less expenses. You can even get better result if you have nursery pond for sorting before introducing the sorted fish into growout pond. However, you should not assume that natural water from the ground would suffice in high stock pond. You should always drain the polluted water at interval in order to ensure constant supply of fresh water most especially in this dry season. Also avoid using too large pond besause of the cost and for easy management |
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Hmmm |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 7:35pm On Jan 23, 2017 |
ican2020: Hi and sorry if my question signals newbie cause I am one.
On the fish feed formulation.
Will I add some food items to the broiler starter and mix them together?
And if yes, what are those items and steps to follow in mixing them.
Thanks in advance Broiler starter contain about 20% crude protein and has fishmeal as one one of its protein source. There is alway need to increase protein content especially when preparing feed for catfish Ingredients such as Soya, fishmill, GNC, binder, vitamins and lipid can be added |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 7:20pm On Jan 23, 2017 |
damilonya: Okay, tanx! I hope I can get this particular type. Ttalk, where are u? If that is the type you are looking for you should contact kaymill a forum member based in Abj. He once used one similar to this. |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 9:56pm On Jan 17, 2017*. Modified: 11:01pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
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Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 9:53pm On Jan 17, 2017*. Modified: 10:56pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
Busayo1981: Boss Ttalk, please what are the so many things you r reffering too? pls share on this platform so we can all learn. thank you Let me give you an illustration Mr A has 2ponds of 12X8X4. The rule says he can stock 600 fish each to maturity He has 300,000 and 100,000 for feeding and purchase of fingeling It takes 5months plus to attain average 1kg Rather than play by the rule, he breaks the rule 1 He purchase 3500fingerling @ 10naira total 35,000 He breaks the second rule by putting all the fish in one pond He sort after 2weeks into the other pond by the time the fish are already juvenile Total mortality after 2weeks is 120 He break another rule by budgeting for 3000 fish instead of 3,380 He feed foreign feed of 150,000 and local feed of 150,000 At 2month 2 weeks he got average of 280grams. He sold the big ones that are above 300grams @ 560 per kg and got 168,000 He ordered for juvenile instead of fingerling He sold another 550kg after 2weeks and got 340,000 By this time his juvenile are already 2weeks in the first pond. The cycle continue like that throughout the year In eleven month he has completed 4 cycle and made average of 280,000 X 4 equal 1,120,000 as net profit He spent less time, less space, less running cost, less feed and more profit than if he had played by the rule This is just one of so many ways of to make profit |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 1:14pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bendims: Thank you Sir for the detailed analyses. God bless you. I've asked around and discovered the highest amount customers are willing to pay for melange is 500 naira. Some even said their supplier sells it to them at 480 naira.
Assuming I sell at 500 naira that will be 500,000 - 300,000 = 200,000. Then again we've not considered NEPA Bill and cost of fuel and cost of fingerlings. Then, expenses due to unforseen circumstances. Let's assume NEPA Bill and cost of fuel is 20,000 naira per month = 20,000 × 3 = 60,000 Cost of fingerlings is 10 naira = 10 × 3000 = 30,000. Let's assume unforseen expenses is 10,000. Total cost asides from feeding = 100,000. 200,000 - 100,000 = 100,000 naira net profit. But one will still pay tax on this 100,000. This means that for every 400,000 naira that one invests into melange production, one gets 100,000 naira as returns after three months. The profit margin is fair. My analysis applied to those that play by the rule. You can get higher total weight in kg with the same expenses and even sell above 600naira. Mr A can make 100,000 naira while Mr B make 400,000. It depend on so many things |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 8:20pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
bilag17: Thanks for your explanation. I think there are guiding limits of quantity of different feed components / additives to be added to animal feeds, bearing in mind that such animals are later consumed by human being (us). Pls, what is the purpose of adding palm oil to the feed? Palm oil is lipid and digestible energy that provide energy need. It is a better form of energy most especially for juvenile fish because of the increasing need of energy requirement. Most plant cabonhydrates at this stage is required sparingly because of the fish inability to optimally utilise it |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 8:21am On Jan 16, 2017 |
bilag17: I think that 2kg of salt and 2 bottles of palm oil are much for the quantity of feed. What is their effect on the fish? Salt is very important in aquaculture. It aids digestion and serves as antistress. I use 1kg for every 100kg composition. 2bottle of palm oil is alright |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 8:16am On Jan 16, 2017 |
@ Busayo1981 your compsition is rich but lacks binding agent such as starch. This should not be less than 15% if you want to achieve good binding. This could have led to leeches of your rich nutrient in water, causing harm to your fish |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 9:59pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Busayo1981: Pls what is fcr Feed twice FCR means Feed Conversion Ratio that is the quantity of feed that translate to body weight of the fish |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 9:51pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
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Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 8:08pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Busayo1981: I have two 16ft by 8ft by 3.5ft . I stock 250 fishes of average size of the fish is 150g in one pond and the second pond is has about 426fishes with average size of 70g I would advice you allow the one in the pond to attain 150gram before switching to local feed. The other bigger one can be fed local. For the mortality, treat your pond first and observe before treating your fish. Also observe if there are no mold growth on the feed |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 5:13pm On Jan 15, 2017*. Modified: 8:20pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
yomiknows: I don't think it's possible to do solely melange farming and make a profit with the current price of feed. Just my point of view, I may be wrong It is possible to make profit. 3 fish of melange make one kg 300naira will feed 3fish that makes up 1kg Therefore, 100naira will feed 1 fish to attain average of 350gram For example 3000 melange will consume 300,000 naira for them to attain 1000kg @ average of 350gram per fish 150,000 @ average of 7,500 per bag will give you 20bags of floating feed that is 300kg of feed 150,000 naira for local feed of 600kg total feed equal 900kg Total weight of 3000melange give 1000kg 1000kg X 600(current price of melange) gross profit 600,000 - 300,000 equal 300,000 net profit (Note: The fish would attain average miinimum of 100gram each with floating feed) |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 4:32pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Busayo1981: @Ttalk pls how many times should i feed my fishes using local feeds. i currently feed them two times in a day n i experience 2 deaths every time i change water. i change my water every three days. kindly advice. What is the size of your pond, what is average size of your fish. How many fish are there in the pond? |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 7:32pm On Jan 09, 2017 |
vroom: Thank God oooo.....i am in abuja as well, where is your farm and when do we start. This is how it appear to me We shoulld divide ourselves into group based on intrerest Formulate objectives. i.e FORMULATE FEED AT AFFORDABLE COST WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE QUALITY Then lets break feed component and process and assign the group to carryout their comprehensive research. We should appoint our ogas to scrutine our report and come out with advice that would form new template for feed production. Others shoud add their suggestion |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 10:40am On Jan 08, 2017 |
sirfarouk: Is the calculation for concrete pond the same as that for tarpaulin pond? Yes sir |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 6:25am On Jan 08, 2017 |
5kg at 10,000 naira, that is 2000 naira per kg for starter. 10,800 for 15 kg for grow out at 720 per kg. Fish is sold at 650 and 520 for table size and melange. How are we going to make profit without developing our own method. Robonsky Exclessior Ab1x Ayosat Soft 777 Juvefarm Chilanfarm Other highly respected contributors not mentioned People are making losses because of high cost of feed. What is the way out. You inspired many to go into fish farming through your contributions. Dont abandon your people when they need you most. Just thinking aloud Good morning |
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 6:08am On Jan 08, 2017 |
vroom: i am willing to learn bro...i dont mind coming around for training and even to train others that are interested, knowledge is not limited Alright sir, i am ready to share my experience with 10 determined and focus nairalanders. I am based in Abj. Permit me also to screen out those i consider not ready enough for this transformation. 10,nairalanders and we are good to go. |