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Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk:
kingsweb04:
Thanks alot...

At this time someone is advising me to build concrete pond instead of Earthen Pond due to the stress and management system... what do you think? Is it better to continue with concrete Pond on just build earthen pond instead?
The question of which one is bettet between concrete pond and earthen pond has been overflogged and i would say both method are good depend on who is operating them.
You only need to exploit the advantage of the type of pond you want to operate.
Some say earthen pond is better than concrete pond and i laugh at their ignorance.
Concrete pond enable you siene and gives you cash flow which sustain business and enhance growth.You can be havesting weekly in concrete pond. The pond that guarrantee high survival is concrete when you know what you are doing. Your success is determine by your input, sorting, mansgement control, overstocking is better managed in concrete pond, operating your pond all year round
etc

Earthen pond support mass production, less production cost, natural habitat for fish, higher FCR.
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Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 6:19pm On Jan 06, 2017
funso111:
you do the feed yourself sir?. Can u compare d result with what is obtain from foreign feed
Yes, the result has been excellent
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 2:05pm On Jan 06, 2017
frshwvfarms:
Thanks for that details sir...I appreciate your help. Sorry for bothering you more..Is there measure for these: Lysine, Meth, Salt, Premix, Toxin Binder and Vit C from Fingerling, Juvenile, or to adult? Can someone buy these raw materials and call or email for guidance? and where can one buy some of these?
Good to know you have proven feed mix. In relative to our discussion to produce locally, Can you mix for a fee or train others to produce for us, other farmers?
We can imagine how many farmers are being kicked out of business due to that +/- N10k cost? But i am hopeful the high cost can force local high quality production and help our dear country with struggling foreign exchange to save the foreign exchanges used for coppen and others for some other important needs we all can use especially to produce power. I am willing to patronize you and encourage local productions as enough gain to encourage investment becomes feasible. we are the people who makes all the difference. Someone must say " send me, I am ready....
Lysine, Meth, Salt and Premix at 1 kg each for 100kg composition. Toxin binder 0.5 Vit C 0.2.

You can add palm oil or fish oil if available

I believe many have made huge discovery but too scare to share because they dont want people to steal their ideas. What they fail to understand is that ideal will keep changing, what you are proud of today will become obsolete in few years.

Many can formulate highly nutritious feed than imported feed but the question is in the water stability of the feed.

This is a challenge to all local fish feed producer. This is my objective this year to make my feed as stable in water as Coppens
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 1:31pm On Jan 06, 2017
kingsweb04:
I would like to ask you.. can you please give me the appropriate size of pond to stock 5000 catfish from juvenile to table size in an Earthen Pond.

I intend building an Earthen Pond and want stock them with at least 5000 juvenile but don't know the size of the pond to dig... Will appreciate your help.
You can use standard pond density to arrive at the number you want tsock

For concrete multiply Lenght X Breath X Height / by 3 will give you square metre. Then stock 5 fish per square metre
For earthen pond stock 2 fish per square metre

For example earthen pond of 50ft X 40ft by 4ft =8,000/3 =2,666sqm X 2 = 5,333

Your pond of 50ft X 40ft x 4ft can accommodate 5,000 fish

However, you have to consider whether your level of water is always at 4ft height throughout your production session.

You consider whether there is continuously inflow and outflow of water into your pond

Whether you are using foreign feed or local feed.

Whether you water pH is at neutral or close to neutral

If those conditions are met then you can optimise your stocking density to 5,000, otherwise you stock 4,000 or below to create allowance for condition you do not meet.

It is a different ball game entirely if you are producing melange
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 5:46am On Jan 06, 2017
funso111:
pls what do u mean by" local starter " is it 2-3 mm or 05-<2mm.I am interested.
Local starter are local feed betwee 0.5mm and 2mm
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 11:01pm On Jan 05, 2017
frshwvfarms:
Thanks again TTalk..I would appreciate it if you can quote one for me, please. However i am more interested in purchasing from a very reliable person with a proven safe formula
You have great point. There are multiple gains in creating Cooperative for CatFish farmers to patronize and support few authentic local producers and distribute some trusted foreign feed as well as addressing other important concerns such as fair marketing prizes towards sustainability. I strongly support encouraging local feed production to boost job creation and fortify us farmers against fluctuating economy and exchange rate. Imagine not finding the feed you so much depend on because of sudden importation exchange rate or total ban for whatever reason? Such moves will devastate farmers, their families and consumers alike. In support of your view, I am interested in farmer's exchange where we can bring your locally manufactured feed for distribution to farmers as a reliable source. The same place can serve as one stop for stock sales and distribution as well as feed marketing. This idea can encourage talented feed producers to continue producing good feed. The benefit will be reduced feed cost and a reliable trusted marketing location for farmers. We must consider ways to allow this exchange to earn something to facilitate all these activities that are critical to our overall success as a community of farmers. Everyone win when you factor each talent/tool/labor.
Economy: 4-6month
FM 10kg, Blood Meal 10kg, SBM 30kg, GNC 20kg, Corn 15kg Cassava Flour 5kg Wheat Offal 10kg. Lysine, Meth, Salt, Premix, Toxin Binder and Vit C

Many have msde huge discovery but to afraid to share it because they felt people would steal their ideas fogetting that it will soon become obsolete with time.
Another thing hindering our progress is plsying by the rule instead of setting new rule. My latest stock are being fed with 50% of my local starter feed and no mortality with exellent growth. If we can all go back to the dtawing board we would come out with breakthrough that would sustaing aquacultre business in Nigeria. Each time you buy starter feed above 10k know that you are simply paying the price of not producing your own feed by yourself
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 1:45pm On Jan 05, 2017
sirfarouk:
What's your take on the use of poultry eggs and poultry droppings as supplementary fish feed?
You cant always get away with unhygenic feed unless there are means to destroy all the bacterials in such droppings.
It not a matter of whether they would be infected but a matter of when they would be infected. Because you got away with it in the past does not mean you will always get away with it
My take is dont feed your fish unhealthy food because they are not immune to infection
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 10:32pm On Jan 04, 2017
frshwvfarms:
We cannot even find Vital feed around Ikorodu Lagos as of this past 2 days for close to this prize. Anyone with such knowledge, please share. I need to stock about 20 bags
I am seriously looking for a proven local feed with easier cost for one of the pond with those around 500 to 700g. So about 400 fishes can experiment on the local feed
You can use proven formula from this thread.
Seems feed distributors are another cabals dealing with farmers. They just supply whatever they want to the market without regard for farmers demand. Today they flood the market with Coppens, tomorrow its vital, next tomorrow it ala-aqua
It is high time farmers come together and purchase directly from producer. This would enable us make reasonable bargain for price reduction and equally address the quality issue of floating feeds
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk:
frshwvfarms:
Thanks.
I am changing back to Vital feed. do you suggest any better brand?
Vital is good. Since you are spreading to other ponds I suggest u dedicate one pond to local feed. The experience you will get will help you in subsequent production. Knowledge in local feed management is necessary for expansion

Consider the cost of floating feed like vital that cost 6800 per 15kg, if your FCR is 1:1 then you will required 453naira to attain 1kg apart from other sundry expenses.
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 12:06am On Jan 04, 2017
frshwvfarms:
You are right TTalk. Thanks.
That was our first stocks. I recently learned my manager switched the food without notifying me to some unknown brand to save cost sad . Can you imagine? However, I read that our stock ( Clarias gariepinus)- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarias_gariepinus - can be larger, longer and weigh more than our usual desirable 1kg. I believe it is possible to reach that extra .25 within 4 to 6 wks if well fed in a well managed freer pond . Of course- the cost is = more feeding per growth ratio in good health. I wanted to be a little patience with sustained feeding to reach my desired size after giving reasonable space and correcting the feeding formula. Selling at an average .75 kg may be ok. But I am believing the cost of that feeding will be recouped after feeding for another 6 wks and reaching our desired size...
Sir. again i noticed that you have been managing your farm through phone and you allow your manager to take such vital decision without your consent.
Your fish could add between 200g and 300g in 4 week provided their growth in previous month is similar to what you intend to achieve in the next month.
Six week is a very long period in fish farming but it worth it if it wii yield corresponding result. What feed do you intend to use?

Wish you best of luck
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 10:13pm On Jan 02, 2017
frshwvfarms:
TTalk, Thank you and Happy New yr.
The pond is earthen, not covered and dug on a wetland lot springing out natural drinkable fresh water.
Temp is average and the feed is Vital feed from Juvenile.
I am considering switching to some of the advertised feeding posted on this threads. i see some of them carries extra protein to aid with fast growth at an early stage.
Have any farmer patronized and used any of the feed? how well was it with the stocks? I'd appreciate encouragement..
I am also interested in stocking some species Blue catfish or Channel Catfish, largely farmed in North America. Is anyone stocking these species?
Thanks in advance
You seems to assume the deficiency was caused by the starter feed you use. However, switching to high protein feed at 5month to boost fish growth is not economical. Though some species are late growers bt the improvement should have been notced in 4months
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 6:34pm On Dec 30, 2016
jeffery23:
I use bolehole water directly from the pipe to the pond, of which i change the water every three three days
Your water could be acidic as a result not allowing cabondioxide to evaporate since you pump directly from borehole. Aeration or allowing the water settle in reservior will improve your pH. You can also do flow through at night.

This could have triggered disease outbreak. Salt and tetracycling are very effective in such situation
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk:
sirfarouk:
Good morning. Where in Abuja is your farm located?
Our farm is in Madalla after Zuba

email: goldgate2003@yahoo.com
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 6:08pm On Dec 30, 2016
akty001:
Compliments all! Please, I need help!
I have a small tarpaulin pond of about 140 fishes that are about 8 weeks old. The problem is that they are looking pale and pinkish! You can even see their veins at a close look!
I change the water every other day to avoid contamination from feed residues but there has been no changes. Could it be the cold weather?
What can I do? What could possibly be wrong?
The change in colour is an adaptation to the tarpauling colour. There is no cause for alarm. However, you have to observe their movement and feeding rate
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk:
frshwvfarms:
I want to thank all of yu for your great work discussing issues we are all learning from. I have followed through for long and needed users with experience on a product..Pls help. we are trying to recover growth missed due to overstocking a 20x30x4ft pond with 1800 catfishes. I am realizing it should not be more than 1000. stocks for such space...
So, we are looking for ways to catch up on growth missed. . Has anyone used GNLD Super gro on their catfish. Someone is suggesting it as a "fast grower"..
Thank you
If your pond is concrete pond, overstocking shouldnt have been the cause of slow growth.
In fact early sign of overstocking is the depletion of oxygen which result in mortality overnight.

Consider these factors as major cause of slow growth in concrete pond
Low temperature
Covering of pond
Low protein feed as starter
Specie of your stock
Poor water management
Irregular feeding pattern

If your pond carrying capacity is 1000 then your fish should already average 500g before the growth rate reduces and speading of fish to other pond would be the best option
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 6:25pm On Dec 26, 2016
Saf999:
thanx for the urgent reply and please how am I to apply it in their feed preparation?
Floating feed preparation goes beyond adding floaters such as baker's yeast. It requires so many things.
What type of pelletiser do you intend to use to achieve floating.
What is the composition because the formula is majorly different from the formula you see on this forum that are meant for sinking feed
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 11:43pm On Dec 23, 2016
Saf999:
plz the bakers yeast u made mention is it the one used in baking doughnuts or puff ?pls don't mind my inquisitiveness I want to learn ur urgent
answer would be highly appreciated
Yes it is the same as the one use in making doughnut
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 7:59am On Dec 23, 2016
Busayo1981:
Good evening everyone, the gurus on this platform. please i need to know how often i need to sort my fish into different sizes?
If you stock fingerlings, sorting starts after 2week, for juvenile, you start sorting after one week. You then increase the interval as the fish grow.

Please note that this is the major advantage concrete pond enjoy over earthen pond. You need to maximise it.
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 3:59pm On Dec 21, 2016
obstead200:
please what is the full meaning of "TS" in this formular? thanks in advance.
Toasted soya
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 9:08pm On Dec 19, 2016
If you are in Abuja or its environs and you need to pelletise your feed, dont look furthet visit us at Goldgate Farm for your pelletising of the following mm
1. 0.8mm
2. 1.5mm
3. 2mm
4. 3mm
5. 4mm
6. 6mm
7. 8mm
Call 08056003532 or 08032829850 for QUALITY PELLETING AND PELLETISED FEED

Pics of our 5month fish fed our prepared pelletsed feed beginning from 3weeks after stocking
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 7:08pm On Dec 13, 2016
nylawal:
Hello house,
I just stumbled on this thread and wow it is really educative. I want to venture into fish farming and I want to use Benuwats trampauline for 2 4,000lt tanks in Abuja. The area I stay has pipe Bourne water, is this ok for fish farming because almost everyone has been talking of borehole water. I also hope to start with 1,000 juveniles of catfish and would like to know the quantity of feed required till they reach table size.

I have been reading some ebooks and visited a farm but I would be grateful if the poster (who appears to have a lot of hands on experience) to help out. Especially the consumption rate for 1000 juves so I will know what to prepare my budget. Thanks!
Which part of Abuja are you? You have to be careful of chlorine in pipe borne water for young fish. 350k could feed to table size of average 800grams. My farm is in Abj. You are free to visit us
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 8:30pm On Dec 06, 2016
Ttalk:
A FISH FARM FOR RENT IN ABUJA

LOCATION: Kuje [9min drive from Airport Junction]

ACCESSIBLILITY: Tared road

SIZE: 1 Full Plot

SECURITY: Fenced

TYPE OF POND: Concrete

NO OF POND: 4

SIZE OF EACH POND: 12/8/4

ACCOMMODATION: A room apartment

STORE: Store Available

WATER SOURCE: 1 Well Water

OTHER FACILITIES: [Borehole will be dug provided the Tenant pay for 2 Season. i.e 6month X 2]

The space can be used to grow some basic food crops

CONTACT: goldgate2003@yahoo.com

Dont procrastinate, take this golden opportunity and make it big in fish farming in 2017
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 9:35am On Dec 01, 2016
ABHAKS:
Remain blessed thanks a lot, yes I'm Pelleting myself. please am I to cook all the carbohydrate supplements together in one place or each carbohydrate supplement separately? And for how long will I cook them ?
Bro, Step 1 of the preparation process explains that.

You can only cook 25% of your carbohydrates supplement that serves as binding agent in your formula.

You use other carbohydrate supplement to balance the moisture for good pelleting.

You cook as you will prepare for your consumption
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 10:05am On Nov 30, 2016
ABHAKS:
Good morning all, please in local feed production after mixing your ingredients do one still have to cook it before Pelleting. Especially maize and flour will appreciate quick response
Are you pelleting yourself or you are taking it to pelleting mill?

If you are producing it yourself i will advice you apply the following process

1. Separate the following ingredients; Fishmeal, Soya+GNC+BM [if any], Corn Flour, Cassava Starch

2. Grind the above ingredients separately

3. First mix your protein supplement i.e FM+Soya+GNC+BM

4. Prepare your carbohydrates supplements by cooking i.e Corn Flour, Cassava Flour, Starch

5. Add lipid and other supplement to your prepared carbohydrate and mix thoroughly

5. Mix your cooked carbohydrates supplement with the protein supplement in ratio 1:4

6. If you are using Wheat Offal/Rice Bran etc, use it to increase the dryness of your mix

7. If you are using Cassava Flour/Starch etc, use it to increase the wetness of your mix
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 1:38pm On Nov 29, 2016
Tunmich:
I need 1 tone of table size Catfish. Kindly pchat me if u av. 08083853059
Where is your location?
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 1:38pm On Nov 29, 2016
ABHAKS:
Please is cassava flour the same as Local starch use for clothes. Which one is better to use for binding, Gari or cassava flour
It depend on what feed size you want to produce.

Starch is different from cassava flour [elubo] both are generally called starch.

They perform similar function in fish feed production, that is binding

Starch is more expensive than cassava flour and binds better than cassava flour

Starch and Cassava flour are the best binding local feedstuff in Nigeria.

The inclusion of either of the two or both could range from 5kg to 30kg for 100kg
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 10:29am On Nov 29, 2016
A FISH FARM FOR RENT IN ABUJA

LOCATION: Kuje [9min drive from Airport Junction]

ACCESSIBLILITY: Tared road

SIZE: 1 Full Plot

SECURITY: Fenced

TYPE OF POND: Concrete

NO OF POND: 4

SIZE OF EACH POND: 12/8/4

ACCOMMODATION: A room apartment

STORE: Store Available

WATER SOURCE: 1 Well Water

OTHER FACILITIES: [Borehole will be dug provided the Tenant pay for 2 Season. i.e 6month X 2]

The space can be used to grow some basic food crops

CONTACT: goldgate2003@yahoo.com

Dont procrastinate, take this golden opportunity and make it big in fish farming in 2017
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 8:13pm On Nov 25, 2016
damilonya:
Good evening great fish farmers. I am so delighted to belong here and have sure learned a great deal of lessons from all members. I stumbled on this topic about two weeks ago and have just arrived at this present page. I started Fish Farming February this year, I am in my third stock with many experiences of bad luck and gained experiences which I have taken positively. The first 2 stocks were overseen by 2 different people while the 3rd and present stock are been handled by me and I see a marvelous improvement. My present stock is 2 months and a day old.
I wish to thank Robonski for creating this thread and all for bluntly saying everything as it should be.

Pls.... I will love to be added to any WhatsApp group to gain better experience since I am new and inexperienced in catfish farming.

And also, I will love to connect with other farmers in Abuja, Suleja, and Minna.

Roboski, AB1X, JuviFarm, expect my Pm soon.
GOD bless us all and increase us in all our efforts in Jesus name! Magode!!!!
You are welcome bro. I am based in Abuja. We are here to support one another
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 11:06am On Nov 20, 2016
Farmers should henceforth sell 800gram and above at 650naira and below 800grams @ 600naira.
I personally witness the sales of a nairalander that sold at the above mentioned price. This should be a standard price at least for this year
Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by Ttalk: 7:55pm On Nov 19, 2016
fzero:
Contact ttalk
Sir, thanks for the recommendation bro. He's contact me already

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