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Nationalise the company and withing 5 years it becomes another Nitel or is it Mtel?

Besides do you know how that would impact foreign investment which is essential for the Nigerian economy? That you nationalise MTN to avenge the actions of some uneducated riff raffs from the south African projects.

You really think these people carrying out these attacks care about MTN or even work there or own shares? No they don't.

That is like saying some agbero's from lagos attack Ghanaians and the Ghanaian government close down GTB office in Ghana.

braine:
[color=teal] Very true. They say, when going for revenge, dig two graves. Nigerians wouldn't even do anything sha. The best is for FG to nationalize the company.. [/color]

Lol ok. The way you were defending it sounded like it was you.

Anyway my point re making the decision to be illegal still stands. It's his call as he is the only one who knows where his shoes are paining his feet and can decide. My point though is life as an illegal isn't the best especially when leaving a job, but again I know many people in Nigeria working and earning such sums and are so unhappy and unfulfilled.

i have a friend who works in a bank and hates it, and works ridiculously long hours getting to worm 6-7am and not leaving till 11pm just to avoid traffic.

babeface3:
Bros I have worked in 2 different countries in Europe before finally deciding to settle in Nigeria with my family. Your speculations are funny

You also need to understand that the subsidies also prevent development of refineries.

Having subsidies and the government dictating the price of fuel means there is little incentive for private investment in refineries.

Also the government is spending loads of money on subsidies, this money would be better spent on the refineries. But again if they stop the subsidies, will they really spend the money saved on the refineries or will they steal it??

As mentioned above already subsidies is just a cesspit of corruption and stealing.

PassingShot:
I have always kicked against removing fuel subsidy because I believe that it is a right of Nigerians to enjoy the so-called subsidy which should never have been if we had done what was required.

If our refineries were working, we will surely not be talking of subsidy or no subsidy.

Given that we failed to make our refineries work, the previous subsidies removed by OBJ and GEJ were not judiciously spent. They were looted.

For all intent and purpose, I do not think Nigerians are completely against removing subsidy if they are sure of getting good deals in return especially when the excess income from crude oil is set aside for developmental projects as witnessed during the PTF era.

I get what you are trying to say but he needs to carefully evaluate.

These Mexican illegals you refer to are usually work manual labour and we're not professional workers in Mexico hence such farm jobs in the US is a big step up for them. The posters "friend" already earns a fairly ok salary in Nigeria and I assume is educated and a professional. Risking that to do labour or farm work is different. There is a reason why many medians tend to do gardening work and such manual work which doesn't not require qualifications.

If for example poster was a driver in Nigeria earning N20k or so, bring an illegal and doing such farm work would be a huge step up because he would earn far more, live a better life (albeit always looking over shoulder until he has paperz) and more importantly his future kids will be citizens and have options.

But if he already has a professional job then it's different. I guess it's all relative and the person is the only one who can decide how good/bad his life in Nigeria is in comparison the being an illegal immigrants in the states.

All I would say is think and research carefully and manage expectations.

19naia:
Its his choice.. USA is full of Mexicans and people from other countries with no passport or any papers.. They crossed the border in hiding and entered to begin working and a new life... I know personally of american farm owners who refuse to hire American workers if there are foreign workers from poor countries available to work.. He said the foriegn workers get the job done in good time with nothing but gratitude for the opportunity.. He also said the american workers work slow and sloppy and complain how small the salary is... And they just go and buy drugs and ogogoro with it anyway..
I worked the mans farm for 1 harvest season (3months) and it is true what he said.. Even the oldest person working there was a woman from a poor country.. She harvested the most out of all of us... She would easily make $2400.00 a month there because paid by quantity..

Every where i go in america i see new immigrants legal and illegal every where.. Its reached a point now where you hear so many languages being spoken anytime you go out..
How is this one more man going to make a difference when more will keep coming and fill any space he doesnt take. USa has a real issue with people just coming with no papers or passport... At least this man is on record with a passport and a proper/legal training tenure..
He will actually be a step above the common illegal immgrants and he will speak english as well.. For every one like him, there are several others who had no papers or documents ever, they stole into the land hiding and they dont speak english and grow comfortable here and even develop a sense of entitlement to speak spanish only and behave like it is the english speakers who have to adjust or shutup..

I beg, this man described here, is educated and english speaking.. He will be much more appreciated than the overwhelming throngs of others who are filling this place up fast... almost Every city in america has african refugee communities now from Africa like somalia and so on. Same with Indians, asians and all the South american spanish speakers... I see them every day no matter what city i go to here..

I am not encouraging him.. I am just saying he is aready here in the form of millions of others even worse than him.. So what difference will it make being that he has been here and seen for himself to understand what it is he is choosing for himself... His choice and the facts of what goes on here in USA... I beg, the Oyinbo people here will thank him for at least speaking english, its rough here now with so many foriegners working here and cant speak english to know what you are requesting and paying for.. So the transaction is often fumbled because of this..

There is no friend lol, the poster is the person planning to stay.

@ babeface3 Whilst I believe America has more options for processional than Nigeria, leaving a job in Nigeria to be an illegal is very very risky. Makes it very hard to get professional jobs and even if you eventually regularise which may take years, you have a big gap in your CV which makes it harder to get into the professional spectrum.

overlord77:
Dude, this guy wants to remain in the U.S. illegally after his training and you and encouraging him?

We use religion to justify many things that are wrong which we do.

It's a lazy way to avoid accountability e.g. God will do it while we fold out hands and watch. Or it not God's time when we obviously failed e.g. when funds to be invested is squandered.

ammyluv2002:
Nigeria is ranked 2nd most religious country in the world yet we don't know 1/3 of the things in the Bible*smh*

Russia and China? Be careful what you wish for.

Besides you should aim to be your own master instead of looking for new puppet masters from the east.

chidekings:
one of the reasons i love Gej.. Nigerian should not be a western puppet,lets look east to russia and china.

That budget small oh... That's under £7k for an MBA.

I see Hembelembe suggested Salford, their MBA costs about £16,000 so your budget is very very small if you are looking to do an MBA which will get you access to employers who can sponsor you for a work permit afterwards.

I'll give it to you straight, if your plan is to work in the UK after MBA you need a program with a good reputation and access to good employers, and such programs cost money and have high entry requirements e.g. GMAT and 2:1. Also you need a 2 year program which will give you the opportunity to do a summer internship in between and increase your chances of a job afterwards. You will struggle to get such programs with your budget of N2m.

According to the link below, these seem to be the cheapest MBA programs in the UK an for your budget you are looking at college level and not University level.

http://www.studyin-uk.com/studyuk/mba-low-cost/

It's your call but personally I think for an MBA you need to go to the right program at the right point in your career and your budget is low.

I know someone who attended Cass Business School in London on 50% scholarship so you can try such and apply for scholarships which can reduce the cost. Cass is a lot better than the programs on the link above but their entry requirements will be higher so depends also on your background, degree grade etc.

Ismaxtr3:
Sorry for replying late. #2m tuition fees, i want to work there after m.ba.

The situation in the UK is the Conservative government is trying to reduce immigration, and given they pretty much cannot do anything about EU workers coming into the country, they have focused on non EU immigrants a big chunk of whom are international students. They have made the requirements for getting a work permit after your studies difficult and removed the post study worker which many international students used to work for up to 2 years after studies. As a result, companies who would sponsor for work permit tend to be those who are bigger companies who recruit a sizeable number of graduates every year and pay higher salaries.

e.g. for a company who e.g. employs 3-10 grads every year, there is little to no justification to sponsor an international student when they can get UK students and also EU students compared to say PwC who employs up to 1000 graduates a year.

My point is whilst Sunderland is an ok university, it is not that highly ranked and just does not attract these bigger employers. It is not impossible to get some of these jobs, it just means you need to be more proactive and pursue it actively to have a chance compared to some other higher ranked schools where these companies actually come to campus to recruit.

This is why I said if you know you would be happy returning to Nigeria if you don't get a role in the UK then fine, if you are dead set on working in the UK after then you need to consider carefully and if Sunderland is your only option all you can do is be proactive, apply as early as you can and pray.

Mekurexx:
Okay I went through the comments you exchanged with the other member. You made mention about Sunderland not being able to attract companies willing to sponsor international students. Are you talking based on the quality of the University or the City itself. I know Sunderland is small compared to a bigger city like its neighbour, Newcastle, but then, you sounded like it was all but impossible to get a company in Sunderland willing to sponsor an international student. The Internship is not restricted to just the North-East, its anywhere in the UK(based on the Coo-ordinator's email to me), so that also doesn't guarantee anything?

Sounds good. I don't know what the reputation of Sunderland is like but guess its would help.

All I wanted to do was manage your expectations re the internship offered by Sunderland. As you are happy to return to Nigeria after then it's fine.

I admire your optimism and it is always best to try, but do not underestimate how difficult it can be for you to be applying for these jobs whole also trying to settle and integrate. It's is a significant effort so as I said just to manage your expectations, do your best and give your all.

Good luck

Mekurexx:
Alright sir. The course is Environmental Health & Safety. Its quite appealing too in Nigeria as oil companies need Health & safety managers and other environmental agencies. I'm optimistic really. Whether or not one secures a job after masters is secondary. The main thing is to have a good result and be competitive. I would have waited till next year but my folks insist I have to go this year. And then the course I got in Canada (Undergrad PGD for 2years with tuition of 2.5m per year, didnt make so much sense too me). I will just workhard and have faith in God to lead me and tap into opportunities available. Basically it cant just be class class class, and im not really the party type so I guess I will concentrate on the apps as well as settling down

Hey I understand your situation and if that is the best option then that's what you have.

What I will say is immediately you arrive start applying for graduate roles as in the UK recruitment starts about September for the next year's entry. This is something many international students including Nigerians miss especially when you only have a 1 year course and they are still settling down in a new environment.

Target companies that sponsor work permits. I will not tell you it is easy because it isn't but don't our best and have a plan B for Nigeria in case.

In my case this was a few years ago before the recent anti immigration drive and just before the crisis, and also I came for undergrad so was able to do internships after second and final year which helped secure a grad role before I graduated. With a 1 year program it's a lot more difficult but all you can do is try.

Btw what courses are you going for?

Mekurexx:
Okay Thats an eye opener. Thanks sir/ma. I didnt get good courses in Canada. I got PGD admission which will run for 2years and my Parents who are paying for my fees kicked against it. I finally decided on Sunderland. I just go there, try and achieve a great result and leave the rest to God. yes in reality, things look really tough for international students to work after masters but nothing is impossible. If there are people (including you) that could work there after school, then its not impossible. I missed out on USA because I couldnt prepare for GRE cuz i just finished my NYSC last year.

While I disagree with you as I looked at their mba program and the companies they have on their list are not impressive, for the case of the poster we can agree that Sunderland will not get him access to the companies who can sponsor him for a work permit.

If he wants the internship just for experience fine. If he plans to stay and work. No

justwise:
Not really, Sunderland do have access to such companies but they are unlikely to take foreign students because of visa issues, rather they will take home students who will walk into the position without passing market test. They have equally home students with the same qualifications but without visa issues, so investing/ training them ideally will be better than investing on or training a foreign student and at the end visa issues becomes a barrier.

Sorry what I meant to say was there is nothing like an internship for a home student and another for an international.

You are right about the pay issue being a barrier to sponsorship hence my point that the companies you will get access to at Sunderland will not be able to sponsor you so do not go there with the hope you will secure an internship with a company who will sponsor you.

If your aim is to work in the UK post program, an internship is key and this means through a better ranked program which gives you access to the types of companies with the means of sponsoring you.

In summary if his aim of choosing Sunderland for the internship is to get the experience and return to Nigeria then that's fine. If his expectation ( and I have seen people with such even with Sunderland) is to get an internship with a company who will retain and sponsor then no. Sunderland will not have access to such companies. That's I am saying.

justwise:
I did not say that, you made that up.

I get what he are trying to say and that why I said in my post that if his aim going to Sunderland for the internship is for experience and he goes back to Nigeria fine. If the aim is to work in the UK, no.

Besides saying internships are not for international students is wrong. There aren't internships for home students and separate internships for international students. I went through an intership as an international student and got sponsored as did many others.
The problem now is with PSW gone, it is harder and you need to be applying to companies with the ability to sponsor, but getting into such companies is very hard due to high entry requirements and competitions.

All I am saying is he should not be fooled by Sunderland saying hey come we will get you an internship which may lead to future employment. It's a marketing gimmick and I know Nigerians who have fallen for it and after the program can't get a job. It's all about managing expectations.

Besides international students make up a high proportion of students at Sunderland so they are obviously being v targeted by that.

justwise:
You are mixing up internship as a foreign student and internship as a home student. As a foreign student..internship is purely for experience and reference, retaining you at the end is almost impossible because it does not meet the requirement for graduate job and there is no salary attached. Home students can be retained or given employment for future opportunity because they don't need to meet any visa requirement.

I disagree. An internship is a means for securing graduate employment. I interned in a bank and the aim was to perform and secure employment upon graduation and as an international student to be sponsored.

Also read his post, he mentioned that the internship may lead to employment which means he is doing the inter ship for the opportunity to be able to work with them after.

As I said if he only wants experience fine, if he is going to Sunderland for the hope the internships offered will lead to work permit sponsorship it is very unlikely due to the nature of companies you get access to.

justwise:
Internships are always for work experiences, as a foreign student you don't expect to be sponsored for visa through internship or get paid anything meaningful or anything at all.

Please don't be fooled by the internship. It will most likely be unpaid or low pay with employers who are unable to sponsor you for work permit at the end of the day.

If the internship is just for experience fine, if for you to work in the UK after your courses thumb twice.

I studied in the UK and work here and will tell you things are really different and difficult now for international students due to the anti immigration laws and sentiments. Too many Europeans from both rich and poor countries available so no incentive to sponsor a Nigerian.

US and Canada makes more sense now.

Mekurexx:
So what do u advice me now. I got admission to Niagara college for PGD (Environmental Assessment) & also masters to Uni of Sunderland (Environmental Health & safty). i finished with a 2:2, which is more feasible.? and btw, the masters course comes with 2 months internship in the UK which is rare (and can lead to a permanent job). which will you pick if your in my shoes? I am currently accessing my options. Thanks

Nice points. It's important to be open minded when travelling to experience the points you made.

I see many Nigerians who travel for economic reasons try to stick to the Nigerian way and things and miss the opportunity to experience new ways which can help shape you and develop you.

Example is not trying new foods and always looking for Nigerian restaurants wherever you go

Anyway lovely points and enjoy your travelling. I am an ardent traveller myself and always make a point of trying things locally like food and culture.

Whilst I disagree that 4 years is enough to fix everything they promised or everything wrong with Nigeria (we have very unrealistic expectations of the incoming government),

I wholeheartedly agree with your point about internalising the change. Very important Nigerians start being the change they want to see and not expect to continue business as usual while shouting for government to make Nigeria great.

Obinoscopy:
Four years is enough to do what they promised. They will face the wrath of Nigerians if they don't fulfill their promise.

Nigerians on their part have to support the incoming government. They have to be ready to internalise this change. Be the change you want to see.

Let's start with how much do you consider not expensive? What's your budget!

Also what's your plan after mba in the UK? Work in the UK or return to Nigeria?

Ismaxtr3:
nigerians in u.k, which university can i do my m.ba programme. not expensive. masters on business administration

What type of papers can she get for you in 6 months?

Sounds dodgy to me. Better stay where you are rather then get sick as an illegal in America with limited options.

Drabeey:
She said she would help me travel to the States but she would keep me indoors in her house for 6 months pending when my papers allowing me to move around the US would be ready.

I'm already receiving 75,000 naira per month here in Nigeria and still single.

Please is there any advise from the house?

You got your residence permit within 2 years as a student? Please enlighten us

agarawu23:
OK got mine with a school over here just paid the man some money and he gave me needed documents as a student but I am not attending the school.

not all Nigerians with residents permit marry to obtain it. you need to use your brain.

This attitude is very wrong and encourages stealing and corruption.

How many times have you ever heard of commonwealth or Chevening scholarship students being stranded? Only Nigerian government sponsored and you are trying to blame the students - totally wrong attitude.

We MUST hold people accountable and if money allocated for scholarships is stolen someone must be punished instead of asking if the students can't hustle?

There are many countries like the Czech republic and Russia etc. where many of these students are and it is so hard to find work compared to UK or USA. Even if they could find work, it does not take away from the fact money has been stolen.

Same way they steal people's pensions and put in fixed deposits. Would you say the old retirees should hustle as well?

Ololade1999:
rubbish most of these students are not ready to work at all. There are part time jobs that they can do and use the money for their upkeep. I did my masters in uk and just after 4 months of arriving uk I have been fending for myself till now without affecting my studies at all. They are unserious at all

sirRiddy:
Hmmm
Quite a new dimension to what I was thinking then.
Thanks a lot, bro.

Anytime. Goodluck with the application, visa and funding

Simply put the GA role available for the program you are applying for is administrative in nature i.e. funded by a particular administrative department where you will work hence why he said it is based on your experience and not research interest as would have been the case if it was a graduate research assistant role for a PhD program.

See below from a university's website which explains further:

The official title of Graduate Assistant (GA) is used in all university documents, but, in general practice, Graduate Assistants are referred to either as Graduate Teaching Assistants (TAs), Graduate Research Assistants (RAs), or Graduate Administrative Assistants (AAs).

Administrative Assistantships
A number of academic and non-academic units employ Graduate Administrative Assistants (AAs), generally to perform administrative support functions in an office setting.

sirRiddy:
Very helpful, sir.
However, when he says it is administrative, what will
the GA position entail? Sorry for asking too many questions.

Might be helpful to include your second point which was referred to, but reading between the lines I guess you asked if aligning your interests to those of the faculty members will increase your chances of getting funding and they are saying not really as decision on funding for the program is based on gpa and experience and not research interests.

For a PhD program, having aligned interests with the faculty will help with funding as phd is research based, but not this program which I assume is a masters program as funding is more administrative hence the need for experience not research interests.

Hope that helps

sirRiddy:
Just for your information, with regard to your second point, aligning your interests with those of our faculty members is nowhere near as important for our program as it would be for a Ph,D. program. Our funding for assistantships, as a rule, comes from administrative units rather than research. Accordingly, our decisions with regard to whom to fund are based primarily on a combination of GPA and professional experience

Please, guys, what do you make of the above?
Thanks.

mystiqme, slimmy05, msnas, zeezahbee
kunlebal ojaP ebdib aadeyi

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FriedPlantain:
It is only we here in Nigeria that would see it, it works with the IP address of the country you are browsing from.


FriedPlantain

It's interesting how everyone on Nairaland has EU passport but chose to live in Nigeria while their wives and kids live and school in UK and US.

If you believe in Nigeria as you say then get rid of thosepassports, bring your kids back and put them in Nigerian schools and work hard to develop the country.

You say moral decadence in the western world. Are you telling me Nigeria is moral? You may have one of the highest number of churches per square foot in the world but please do not be deceived that makes you moral. Nigeria is as immoral as they come.

It is this same immorality that has actually led to this situation where Nigerians now find it hard to get visas. As I said in my last post there was a time when Nigerians were visa free to many of the world's best countries, but due to us abusing the systems and spoiling our name we lost that privilege so until you sort out the mess and rebuild your reputation, you can keep praying all you like it will not make a difference.

Nigerians have what they need to me a change but would rather fast and pray. Goodluck with that.

Thanks for thinking about me and my future so I wouldn't have to queue for visa - i look forward to that time. In the meantime I will continue to queue so I can get an EU passport like you and send my wife and kids to UK and US to live and study
You're a role model

HolyHolla:
No, I'm not pained because I don't have to line up at embassies. I have an EU passport, so I can travel as I like. I also work hard enough to have my wife and children live and work/school in UK and US, but I chose to live in Nigeria because I believe in us all salvaging it together. I reserve a Plan B to retrieve my family back when the glory returns to Nigeria. But I also see the collapse of some of these societies strongly approaching as they lose their moral values, leading to social and economic upheavals.

It's for people like you that I see that future, of a Nigeria where people from the presently developed nations cluster at embassies to migrate to a Nigeria that is still relatively sane. Ask the Men of God as well as historians and they will tell you that when righteousness and morality leave a people, decay begins to set in, so please work too, and pray for the fulfillment of a great future for our dear nation.

Are you really this insecure or are you the one who wants enhancement and using boyfriend as excuse.

ojjp:
Pls can u recommend anyone? And wht abt side effect?

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Na so e pain you reach? All because of visa you are praying for their countries to collapse.

You conveniently ignore the fact that it's due Nigerians messing up that has made things this difficult.

You do realise there was a time Nigerians were visa free but you abused the system. Even recently Singapore stopped Nigerians being visa free for same reason.

Why not pray and work hard for Nigeria to be up to par instead and develop a reputation as a country that respects the rule of law and works? That way there is mutual respect it's easier to travel as they know Nigeria is good and they wi return home.

HolyHolla:
I assure that sometime, someday, these Americans and Europeans would be queuing up for visas to Nigeria and other African countries after the complete collapse of law and order with economic and natural disasters in their nations. Diarise it!

The difference is majority of the foreigners visit Nigeria do so for business not holiday. Nigerian going to e.g. the US for business get visa easier especially if coming via a reputable company, but we all know the bulk of visa applications from nigeria are for visit or student visa and business make up a very very small percentage.

BTW getting a Nigeria visa isn't easy. Ask the many Nigerians who hold foreign passports and want to visit Nigeria. It's actually easier to just reapply for a passport than apply for visit visa.

SamConquer:
#smiles.....but here in Naija, anything goes,anybody can just come in anytime.afterall we need them.they call them foreign investors