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Religious faith being what it is , Miracles and supernatural events are now being attributed to Rosaries.
What else is new?
I am not concerned about the veracity of these supposed miracles.
My main thrust here is to ask the following questions:

We should be concerned about the veracity of the s'posed miracles because therein lies the crux of the matter:

rosary prayers are a waste of time because the so called miracles can be explained by science.

e.g.:
one of the rosary miracles is that a group of jesuit priests survived the A-bomb in Hiroshima.

-the destroyed church close to the house where the priests lived may have actually shielded the house.
-they conveniently leave out of the story the fact there were other survivors who were even closer to the epicentre!

aManFromMars: Lol, someone groups all our nice feelings as spirituality. So spirituality is a state of well being? abi, to be in a constant state of awe and 'wonderment' na spirituality?

Nonsense. Confused fellow.

high on weed

Just because a physiological phenomenon is named after a biblical story does it for you
You are too simple minded, my friend, to engage in any serious discussion about the bible and science. I recommend that you read as many threads as possible concerning this topic (the search button will help) before making silly posts.

Its not God, his son or messenger.

Its not even the god-mother.

Its the rosary now

italo: Can someone please tell me the meaning of the bold.

why don't you ask @FOLYKAZE?

He proposed it, didn't he?

Common now!
Atheism is not bad at all
Their is no indoctrination
For example, it doesn't urge you to go and slit the throat of theists.

nagoma: Please google this; "CIA and Boko Haram".

Why?
post whatever it is you have to say

nagoma: I don't know what Buhari has to do with this.
I thought we are having an intellectual discussion with you not ethnic and the usual Nigerian sentimental crap.

Believe me , you don't know what intelligent discussion is

[quote author=nagoma]

I honestly have been rating you too high but your understanding of nationhood , governance and law is obviously very low.

I consider this an insult. Note that you are the first to start slinging insults. I have deliberately toned down my responses since O!

Let me say this again. Nigeria is a nation with an executive leadership , legislature and judiciary and rule of law.

If you think that the rule of law, the judiciary and the executive are functioning even half as well as they should in this country and that they alone are going to solve the problem for you then you and your likes do not even understand the enormity of the situation. I am sure that people like you believe that when a Buhari comes to power he will solve the problem in six months, eh?

BH are criminals because they committed crimes against Nigerian people and the Nigerian state. We cannot start looking for any unconstitutional body to fight them just because they claim to be Muslims.

You call them criminals. Do you know what they call you? You are an infidel in their own eyes who has refused to interpret the holy book properly. Are you aware that some moslems (and no less a personality like Gen. Buhari) believe that the Johnathan administration is being too harsh to BH?

I admire the civilian JTF effort but they are there because of he failure of the nation to protect their lives and property. As you mentioned they are not organized, untrained and unprofessional, sensible nations will not allow such citizens to face the kind of danger hey are facing. And please are you implying that there are no Muslims in the Nigerian Military, Nigeria Police and all the security forces fighting BH?

The moslem Umma, or whatever you call global moslems, have a problem that they cannot run away from. You have heard of
al qaeda
taliban
al shabab
etc.
haven't you? well add Boko haram and what have you. They all gain inspiration from the Al koran.
This is the point i have come to make on this thread.

PEACE!

nagoma: You have not addressed the specific issues I raised about crime and criminals and governments. You are only repeating the lines that are now well rehearsed. So who is mainstream Islam and what authority does it have to identify and try criminals just because the criminals said they are Muslims ?

I urge you to read my posts properly before you respond.

I repeat; the ball is in the court of moderate moslems who are in the majority of moslems.

You have have heard of civilian JTF, haven't you?
These are youths who are not even properly organized; imagine what will happen if adults of moderate moslems organise

nagoma: It is good to sit down and think of what motivates criminals -very useful for making preventive measures. But this sitting down and constructing motives has takes over everything when a self proclaim Muslim commits a heinous crime such as mass murder. How many BH suspects have so far been tried? How many have been sentenced as a deterrent to crime? You see it is much easier for everyone to politicize killings and blame all Muslims instead of going for the criminals. It is also politically the way to "belong" in the present day world of " not so cold "war with Islam. And it doesn't matter even if the victims are Muslims and the killers are not known for sure ( could be anybody) Muslims like me still take the blame and you think that should be final? Justice is done?

Sorry I have been busy and couldn't post!

People like you have to stop looking for someone else to blame. Islam has a problem: radical or extreme islam.
If you choose to pursue the literal interpretation of any religion you are doomed.

Since the revival of extreme islam by Osama Bin Laden and his adherents i have not seen anywhere that it succeeded; instead, its proponents are been pillaged and killed like the rabid dogs that they are.

Mainstream islam must identify, isolate and kill off these canker worm or it would bring islam to disrepute.

Toshibasexy: Could u pls make a replica of this ram when u said it's just a mistake nd it is a mistake made by who?

Oh ho ho!

So God makes mistakes now, eh?

nagoma: A criminal remains a criminal whatever reasons he gives for his actions. He can invoke God or any justification but these are irrelevant as long as he is found guilty according to the law of the land. But you guys prefer the diversionary tactics of talking about Islam just because of what the criminals claim. I suspect that the attachment to Islam is far more important to you and the government than finding and punishing violent and vicious criminals.

There you go again, @nagoma, a moderate moslem, demonstrating exactly what I accuse you of: living in denial.

How do you fight a crime if you don't understand the motives behind the crime.

These murderous criminals go about on a killing spree in the name of islam and you do not want us to talk about islam?

Mind you, this is a public forum where you have a right to discuss any aspect of an event. If you are more interested in finding and punishing them , I am sure there are posts that address that.

Toshibasexy: this is a sign to u guys that don't bliv that GOD exist.

How does a mistake show that God exists?

Did you do any science at all or were you busy singing praises unto the lord in school?

Lee Herds: A father of one of the victims,
18-year-old Ahmadu, Alhaji Ado
Adamu, described what
happened as barbaric and
unIslamic.
Whick kind Unislamic?,no Islam no Boko Haram¤Al-Quaeda¤AlShabab e.t.c Nonsense!

Good thinking!

This is the mistake that moderate moslems keep making. It amounts to living in denial.

They simply can't believe that these people (the terrorists) get their inspiration from the same ''holy book'' that they (the moderates) worship. But it is fact and i can prove it!

Ajuran: I find that higher education has caused me to think alot about religion. But am still faithful. It has reinforced my views of world politics.

what is higher education?

you are either well educated or you are not well educated

stop this folly

looks like somebody's sold on the church going bussiness

am surprised they didn't shut him out

what the bible says about atheists makes sense only to christians !

Billyonaire: ofcourse I know that death is shift of consciousness from 3rd dimensional existence to other consciousness, I have experienced life in other consciousness during my moment in astral projections and bi-location. but I do believe that if a people become more aware of what death means, the wanton quest for materialism will reduce drastically and even virgin hunters will better educated to embrace the transient moments we have on 3rd dimension while waiting for reality at death.

What consciousness?

there is no consciousness after death.

when you are dead you are no more alive than a stone

You are:

dead, dead, dead!

Billyonaire: The necessary end that must come, when it must come. The end of all mortals. But it baffles me, that the world's government spend so much resources to research on life and not death. But the greatest reality of life is death. We are alien to earth, whats permanent is not life, but death, cos life is just a fraction of time in death. Death is the reality, life is the dream

Billyonaire - Soul Searching.

I think we know more about death than we know about life

death is simple, inanimate, the common denominator; but life is complex, difficult to understand and sustain

Alfa Seltzer: I find it quite offensive that you should call these evil islamic verses Satanic. I kindly request that you modify the post and give it its proper adjective.

What do you suggest, Grand Satan Seltzer?

This is for you bloody atheists:

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Now if your moslem friend or neighbor was a really good moslem, that's what is expected of him from the religion of peace that has ''no compulsion''

Consider the following satanic verses and see if you can sleep well tonight, @Owo lee:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

There are more here:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

O.k., @owolee.

Tell us who is responsible for :

the Westgate siege in Kenya

Boko haram violence in Nigeria

taliban violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan

Moslem brotherhood violence in Egypt

Violence in Chechnya

Shia/ Sunni violence in Iraq

9/11 attacks in Newyork

Alshabab violence in Somalia

Religious violence in Kaduna state/ Plateau states of Nigeria

Uprising in Mali

London underground bombing in 2005

Ache bombings


.. which one have i missed?

see;

there is no confusion

as with all religions, especially the abrahamic ones, you will find a verse to support any line of action you want to pursue.

Both the jihadist and the non-jihadist can quote verses from their holy book to support their positions.

Lesson?

the holy books are not so holy after all. they are full of contradictions

even street-wise touts know the truth:

if you don't find bread before sun-set you'll starve

its not rocket science to know that manna doesn't fall from heaven!

the same reason why he had the talking serpent in the garden of Eden?

to f**k us up?

I think family and friends should be allowed to do what they please with your body(anything to help them cope with the grieving).

After all you are going back to join the cycle of life or non-life which ever way you are buried or not buried.

But if you didn't leave specific instructions (and enabling capacities) behind they might genuinely not know what to do and prefer the methods they are most familiar with.

FOLYKAZE: Isaiah 1:18
King James Bible
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:......

PROVERBS 25 VS 9 Debate thy cause with thy neighbour himself; and discover not a secret to another:


Drunk with Christinsanity

Ha ha ha..

isn't it funny how you can find a verse to support any argument you like?