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coogar:
welcome to the 21st century.
as usual, the capitalist slaves would jump at this singing kumbaya.

Leave them. The quality of a womans eggs can start to deteriorate as early as 26 and early menopause can happen from 32. It's the older 35+ ones who will be taking this offer up - erroneously thinking this a good thing & that it extends their "marriageable shelf lives".

In the end, it won't make them more attractive to men - the key to that has, and always will be youth and beauty. Thinking about it, they'd be best served freezing their faces !


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Shirley07:
I do feel unsettled around preachers like you because you don't actually study the bible in the context it's used and majority of you are the reason there's a lot of confusion in the christedom.

Yawn, I'm a male, at least I have the biblical writ to be a preacher - you don't !
And I'm not a preacher, my faith and beliefs are personal, feel free to ignore them. There's no confusion in the Church of Christ, although yours is palpable !

Shirley07:
The first and the last sentence underlined actually mean to be made free from sin/no more a slave to sin. The second means there's no discrimination before God almighty irrespective of what you are.

Yes, that is one of the over-arching themes of the Gospel, and as it is clearly outlined in the gospel, those verses can be used as metaphors for that. But to claim that's what they are saying in context - you know you are hell-bent on reading the scriptures to satisfy your own desires.

Shirley07:
As you can see, it doesn't correlate with whatever you're trying to say here.

I laught. CareFreeWannabe claims that the bible/Christianity does not condemn slavery to her satisfaction - thereby condoning or championing it. I replied that Christianity does not only not prescribe slavery, it frees us from the very condition that leads to slavery and all other societal ills. Must you comment by force or for mere commenting' sake?

Shirley07:
Paul indeed championed slaves and master relationship and he made it known in Ephe 6:5-8 that slaves should submit to their masters in fear and trembling. Infact, he compared husband and wife relationship to slave and master.

Feminianity writ large. Paul championed slavery? If you want to hate on Paul, please feel free to do so. Because he clearly stated the headship roles of men huh? E pain you so tay, you feel the need to assasinate his character. Pele. We not only agree with Paul, Pauls agrees witht he gospel as a whole.

Paul was committed to spreading the gospel. He wasn't primarily a SJW. The gospel is what sets men free - and in turn rids men of their evil desires. You might as well charge him for not campaigning against FGM, or prostitution or war - all extant before, during and after the advent of Christianity and till today.

Shirley07:
I once told you that if your wife has any role she plays in the church or society, then she's a sinner according to Paul. Not to forget that Paul believes a woman's salvation is only by child bearing, implying that Eve was the deceiver and the sinner, not Adam.

Oh such angst, from an avowed feminist wanting to be a Christian. Please choose one. It looks odd and you are neither fish not fowl.

I told you before and I already outlined in my earlier post on this thread that the husband/wife, male/female roles prescribed in the bible are for the home and church - not wider society. Paul is not here to defend himself - not that he needs too or to be - but do you think you can twist my words and go unchallenged?

Did Paul say this? Genesis 3:16 - Unto the woman he said , I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forthchildren; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Shirley07:
The funny thing is Paul rejected the law as a means of salvation but had no qualms binding women to such law because his ego overruled him. In the end, Paul didn't only contradict himself but also, Christ.

So because Paul rightly rejected the written law for salvational purposes, roles and responsibilities - not to mention civil laws - are now to be done away with.

Shirley07, you really need to find a righteous man to take you under authority .


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abeautifulchick:
@

So let me get this right, this guy is all but perfect. Your soulmate and one you can discuss anything with on any level? He lavishes money on you and provides everything you need? He makes provision even before you articulate the need? The only problem is that you need more attention?

Let me advise you;

I appreciate that you are young, and perhaps not quite ready for marriage – even as everything seems to suggest you have landed on your feet if you want it.

But so is he, and by all accounts very focused and successful at a relatively young age. If he is the soulmate you claim, you should be able to work with this.

Become invaluable to him and a source of wise counsel, comfort and rest. That’s all you have to do – that and perhaps demonstrate a little patience. Be wise, why does he spend so much time with his friends/contacts. Is it because he is driven or because you don’t provide the same stimulus?

If your main driver is your neediness, I’d wager that not only are you not ready, you are probably not right for him. I shudder to think how you’d react if times got tough?

Your call. All the best


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Sophyrocks:
I wonder. How can a man who is an adult not know women love attention apart fom other things? Such a man needs to be schooled on womanology all over again. And yet they complain when women cheat.

Sophyrocks:
If you are a man and up till this moment, you dnt know women need attention the same way everyone needs oxygen, then you need to be schooled all over again about women. Lack of attention is another reason women cheat. Take it or leave it.

No Sophy, women cheat because they are incontinent, lacking self control, promiscuous, take their vows lightly and are probably not God-fearing. Just like men.

You wor-wor reasoning above is exactly the same as a man claiming justification for cheating because a woman puts on weight. You need a reset and a re-think.

Women will be taken more seriously, when they take responsibility for their actions. Not blame society, feign madness/illness/provocation or blame men.

Like seriously?


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carefreewannabe:
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Oga TeeFee, pliss sir, take fotopic, I haff no answers !


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MarvellousGod:
We cherish attention and the op's guy seems not to be giving her that.....

..."wool over eyes alert" - guys don't fall for this - Women do not base their marital choices on the level of attention - in fact the opposite.


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coogar:
this is a brilliant point!
in a nutshell, you have to "western-test" a woman before marrying her.....especially if there's a future plan to settle in the west.

some environments are fatty-friendly.
a woman who has eaten all the eateries western societies have to offer and she still manages to be very fit are the jewels.

Exactimondo! The West is deadly - weight wise - to any Naija fresher who is not disciplined. Especially those that are at that point were the metabolism slows down or likely to give birth in the near future.

I went to a birthday party recently - if you see the parade of gbo gbo big girls - and they are hungry. Wifey said she couldn't tell if they were eyeing me or my plate of rice, moin-moin and pepper stew

Avoid like the plague.


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...I had to like this simply because I couldn't fault it. I must also confess to feeling rather cool, as I live it !


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Tallesty1:
What do women want?

...to be led by strong men. Fact about female behaviour and human nature!

@OP, if you meet someone who has all you want in a husband, what will you do?

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Sophyrocks:
What has God to do with gender?
Chimoooooooooooooo!!!!

Biko Mr television, end of discussion.

That's it, scurry away - or please tell us God's take on "gender discrimination". Please try not to be overly long or befuddled !


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carefreewannabe:
The Bible is free to interpretation. Even theologians disagree on how to interpret it so please do read it as you wish and let me read it for myself.

It doesn't take a theologian to read and understand the bible. Not unless you really want to butcher it !

carefreewannabe:
This is not a reason to NOT condemn it and call a spade a spade.

Like I said, you are limited by your capacity - Christianity deals with the root of all human issues - the fallen human nature

carefreewannabe:
I never relativize crimes against humanity.

CFW the SJW - more pious than any Christian !

carefreewannabe:
You though wrong. This is your black and white thinking, not mine TV.
And if I had a choice as to what you accuse me of, I would much rater be accused of relativism than of fundamentalism.

Please tag me as a fundamentalist - all day, everyday. Faith that is relative is merely an euphemism for lifestyle - but deep down you know that don't you? !

carefreewannabe:
To NEVER submit to any "master" but to strive for freedom.

How visionary, how deep and how totally humanitarian...ah! And how would telling non-Christians to stop slavery make them do so? Does my railing against SSM make any difference to those who don't believe?

Philemon 1:15 For perhaps he departed for a while for this purpose, that you might receive him forever, 16 no longer as a slave but more than a slave--a beloved brother, especially to me but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord.

In Christ there is no bondman or free - all are Christs.

Colossians 3:11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.

1 Corinthians 7:21 Were you called while a slave? Do not be concerned about it; but if you can be made free, rather use it.

Tell us CFW, what would happen to a Roman slave - or even centurion - who on becoming a Christian tried to escape? Have you really read the bible, or are you listening to what the theologians say ?

carefreewannabe:
If all people reasoned like you, you and your family would still be at the mercy of some white people.

Like it wasn't Christians who strove top abolish slavery? You are too funny! Besides I'm sure CFW the SJW would have set us free!!!!

carefreewannabe:
Your wife would push out mixed babies made by your white master and you would be separated from your son as soon as he would be old enough to be sold off. I would love to see your support of this Bible passage in this scenario.

Please detail them to us - I see no such prescription for Christians, indeed, I've posted contrary ones above.

carefreewannabe:
Maybe. I have never met him, you know.
Maybe just the medieval men who wrote the Bible made things up.
Who knows?

You can meet Him, many have - He Lives

carefreewannabe:
Something is terribly wrong with this book, whatever the cause is.

Could it be you CFW - in a relative sense of course !


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carefreewannabe:
And people like you call themselves Christian.

^{Unsettled ? Why the saltiness? Is it wrong to be a hairdresser? Or to joke about someone being one?}

coogar:
but is it ethical & moral to check the size of one's potential mother-in-law before proposing? was it really foresight for you or you got lucky?

i used to know a chic that was size 8 way back in naija in her early 20s.....then her family moved to the US via visa lottery. 3 months after arriving in america, she became size 18.

i am 100% certain she would have maintained her size 8 if she never traveled out of her comfort zone in lagos. what i am trying to say is - "other factors" get in the way of these things sometimes.

It falls under "due dilligence" - and plain ole' common sense

There's a old Ukrainian saying "before you marry a woman check out her mother" - paraphrased somewhat.

You are spot on about environment change - and that must be factored in ! I once met a girl fresh from Naija. Fabulous figure, but within 3 months she had rolling flesh everywhere - even at the knees

My wife was born and bread in the UK, not up to 3 years in Nigeria in total. Exposure to KFC won't make a difference ! Diligence must be manifold .


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Sophyrocks:
Sincerely, are you a christian? You dnt talk like one. Are you trying to say God almighty is in support of gender discrimination simply because he made husbands heads? When God himself tells you to honor your wife and love herrr her as you love your own body, what is he trying to tell you? you dnt like the fact that the bible says you should honor your wife?

Before you got married, you had expectations of your wife. Everyone has expectations and as long as they are realistic, why bother? what is wrong with following biblical standards in marriage?

Your confusion is partly the reason for your angst. What has God or HCristianity to do with gender?

I am a Christian and married

Try and be among .

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...as long as there are women willing to steal men, there will be women ready to fight for them. Accept that fact about female behaviour and the natural order.


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nikky5:
Femi lost his amiable wife four years ago.He has two kids aged 6 and 8years respectively. Two years he found another lady who loves his kids dearly and promised to take good care of them.The challenge Femi is facing now is that the lady is bloating or rather growing too big for his liking.Initially she weighed 45kg and slim but now she weighs 97kg with very big tummy.He never liked fat ladies. They have a baby now but he is contemplating a divorce cos she sometimes snore heavily at night which is very embarrassing to Femi. He confided in me that when he saw stretch marks underneath her armpit and questioned her about the likelihood of becoming fat she denied that her mother was never a fat woman.The baby also took after her in size as she weighed 5.00kg after birth.Though the woman has embarked on dieting but it seems not to make any difference.Please advice my friend because they are Christians and his wife loves him dearly.

As a Christian, he can as readily divorce his wife as he can dis-father the child they have together. No, capital N.

What was he looking as she ballooned? He should have intervened way earlier - even, and especially if the condition is medical.

Nothing to do here except to support his wife. She also should be willing to work at it. You can lead a horse to water...


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^{**thank God got foresight & discernment - I checked out my wife' mum and made sure WTB was a little below the ideal size when I married her. Everyone shine eye wella before marrige. Shut am tight after !**}

pickabeau1:
I still get nightmares when I remember Roberto baggio, donatelli and dino baggio

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Toto Schillaci...


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carefreewannabe:
Yeah and your reading of the Bible is the right one.

Eeerrr...and yours is ?

carefreewannabe:
Please, let me not quote more dubious and shocking passages.

Please, carry go

carefreewannabe:
I don't want to hear more excuses.

I have given none, and have none to give. What you want to hear is your own truth and prejudice.

carefreewannabe:
If all the men who wrote the Bible had been sane and human, they would have written that no man / woman should make another human a slave.

Slavery was extant prior to the bible, the coming of Christ and Christianity.

carefreewannabe:
It is that simple. No need to complicate things to justify something that is obviously wrong and evil.

I thought your notions were all relative? Why is something "obviously" wrong or evil to one who relativises everything?

carefreewannabe:
I do condemn what I perceive as injustice. I don't understand the second part of your question.

As above, it's what you percieve. And as one who percieves relatively, who are you to say?

carefreewannabe:
It justifies slavery by telling people / slaves to submit to their masters.
This is inhuman.

What would your advice to slaves be?

carefreewannabe:
For me, he is God's son.
We are all God's children.

So Christ is a liar, delusional or madman?

carefreewannabe:
Since when do you know what I do for a living?
Never mind TV, my bosses trust me.

^{Ah, I thought you did some high-end cerebral job? Are you a hairdresser?}


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Sophyrocks:
My presence everywhere seems to frustrate you. I like that.

Au contrairé - I feel the angst crying out loud and feel more sympathy than frustration !

Sophyrocks:
Yes, men and women have their different roles they play. no doubt about that.

So why go to great lengths to say that in an inconclusive manner?

Sophyrocks:
The bible is never partial when it comes to laws governing christians. Thats all i know. God has never been partial. His laws covers every human, male and female.

No one has said anything to the contrary. So why write a lengthy episdtle with caps lock about laws and conflate it with notions of gender, power, equality etc.?

Sophyrocks:
I expect my husband to understand how a woman should be treated according to God's word and not according to human traditions. God's word and that of human traditions are not the same just as God's wisdom remains unmatchable to that of human wisdom. I am sure you have read in my comment where i specifically pointed out that husbands are heads.

How does that make God aginst "gender discrimination". Indeed, if God was for "equality" in the sense of "non-partiality" as you define it, wouldn't men and women treat each other exactly the same way? So why do you have expectations of your husband?

Sophyrocks:
Showing Honor to your wife shows you love her as you love your own body. It shows you understand what doing unto others what you would like them to do unto you means. The same bible says whoever loves his wiife loves himself.

As above, why are you making distinctions?

Sophyrocks:
As regards 1 corinthians 11 vs 3, that portion still correlates with other portions talking about Husbands being heads of their wives just as christ is head of the congragation. But the difference in this portion when reading further from verse 4 down, is that there is an emphasis on women covering their hair when praying or prophesying in order to show respect for the Headship of the man. Therefore, apostle paul was trying to explain why women need to cover their hair in the presence of a male, when praying or prophesying. The act of covering her hair is a sign of authority on her head because of the angels. inspite of all of that, we are still told as christians to submit to one another. So i can add that the headship role is exercised in a famiily and in a church but not anywhere else.

The windier you get the less sense you make . I particulalrly noted family and church regards headship in my original response to you.
From your write up is male headship not essentially gender discrimination? I pointed out that the two halves of your post were contradictory?

Sophyrocks:
Of course, a father has authority over his daughter. Is he not the Head of the family? Perhaps because i didnt mention a man being the head of his family, you jumped into conclusions.

One cannot actually draw conclusions from your babble - please forgive me for even trying - you were quite absolutist in your statement about the headships of husbands over wives only.

Actually, you have a point - it's not your presence, rather it's your prose that is particualrly frustrating. It just sounds like you are on one long and bitter rant. Chill woman.


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carefreewannabe:
The problem is that the Bible even justifies and supports slavery instead of condemning it.

The bible does no such thing.

What the Bible does is show us the fallen state of the human nature - from which all such ills as slavery etc. emanate - and details how it should be and how to get there.

From your limited view and proccupation with what you "believe" the bible should say, instead of understanding what God via the biblical narrative has set out to do, is where you go wrong.

So do you condemn and are you going to personally right every injustice in the world?

carefreewannabe:
Both. And because of some of its contents (e.g. slavery)

Where doe sthe bible prescribe slavery?

carefreewannabe:
He was a man, will you deny it?

I never said he wasn't. I specifically used the word "incarnate".
He is God, will you deny that?

carefreewannabe:
Thank you.
But what does it have to do with malingering?

^{Summon strength, if you can make it to NL, you can remote access your desktop} !


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carefreewannabe:
The Bible should condemn slavery.

Aren't you such the SJW?
If you are not personally activist for - and condemning - every single injustice in the world, should I find fault with you?

carefreewannabe:
Not really. The more I see how people use the Bible to support injustice and inequality, the more I read it, the more distance and dislike am I developing for this religion created by medieval men.

Is it because of "how people use it", or "your reading of it"?
You are not the only one who likes to use the disparaging term "medieval". Even if we place their era as medieval, does that make their intelluct, thinking, morality or spirituality in anyway inferior to those of contemporary times?

carefreewannabe:
It's just that I love some of Jesus Christ's teachings. I think he was a revolutionary men, way ahead of his time.

But Christ did not declare himself a man did He. You either judge His claim to be God incarnate true - and Him along with it - or false and His works as well.

carefreewannabe:
Not doing a good job at all today. Feeling sick, staying at home.

^{Get well soon - the German economic machine needs all hands on deck . It's not Naija or even the UK, where such malingering is celebrated.}


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Sophyrocks:
Do you notice that God did not designate adam to be head of Eve in the begining? It was until adam and eve sinned that God told Eve since she decided to sin against him, therefore she would go through pregnancy pains, her husband would dominate her, her cravings will be for her husband and that they were going to grow old and die. This means that all of these consequences including men being heads were not meant to be in the first place. This shows that in the sight of God, all humans, male and female are equal. God detests any form of gender discrimination. Which was why it is written in 1peter 3 vs 7 that Husbands need to show their wives honor since both of them are heirs of the kingdom of God. There would have been a special preference for one gender over another by God. But No, God is never partial. when God gives laws, he gives to every human, male and female. The way he handles both gender shows he views them equally. It is selfish humans who like to dominate others to their injury that created partiality. If men and women are not equal, then Jesus would not have told us that we should DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO DO UNTO YOU. .

Sophy, Sophy, Sophy, how far? As ever you are all over the place !

Firstly - the fact that men and women are equal in worth before God, does not preclude different roles and responsibilities and leadership/headship by men - especially in the Family and Church (which is esentially a para-family).

Secondly - The bible has no notion of Gender, so it's prety pointless you co-opting God inot your gender-politics. You also do good job of conflating equality, roles, responsibilities, power and domination to little or no effect

Thirdly - When you get married (big amen I'm hearing ), will you be after a husband that is "gender correct"? Or "demand equality" in every respect from him?

1 Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know , that the head of every man isChrist; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.


Ephesians 5:22 - ves, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Colossians 3:18 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

Sophyrocks:
One thing people do not understand is that it is only when a Man becomes a HUSBAND that he becomes the head of his wife. If you are not a husband, you are not the head of anybody. Note that the word 'Husband' was repeatedly used in the bible when talking about Headship. A man is the HEAD OF HIS WIFE, NOT OF ANOTHER WOMAN/EVERY OTHER WOMAN ON EARTH, NOT OF HIS MOTHER. And inspite of being the Head, 1peter 3vs 7 says you are still to show your wife HONOR. This tells you God almighty is against any form of discrimination.

Does a father have authority over his unmarried daughter?
Does showing someone honour mean "equalising" in every regard?
And if indeed a husband is the head of his wife, haven't you discredited everything you said in the first half of your post ?


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carefreewannabe:
I hope you also know that the Bible tells slaves to submit to their masters.

1 Peter 2:18-20 (New International Version)

18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/1-peter/passage.aspx?q=1-peter+2:18-20


So much for medieval teachings.

CafreeWannabe holá, you have come...

Please tell us,

1. what should the Bible exhort (slaves or servants) to do?
2. Do you identify as a Christian or not?


Danke Schon


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^{**it must be said - you are doing a darn fine job with the gfifs. You are deffo #1 now, if only on the family section. Kudos**}

Why?
Because there really is no need to.

The figures for violence against women are vastly exaggerated, and whilst there was always adequate legislation , there are - and often excessive and unfairly applied - increasing laws made to fight it. VAWA anyone?

What we really need to highlight is violence against men - and the criminal distortion of the figures for domestic abuse and violence. Legislation is passed and laws enforced as if this is solely a male on female crime. Wrong! Violence against men is seriously under-reported and hardly taken seriously when it is.

Violence of any kind should be taken seriously.

Zboyd, aren't you due a vacation ?


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ultrazone:
For some time now I've been thinking about this. I'd love to have a joint purse with my future spouse. I believe this will make issues like budgeting and resource allocation a lot easier. Listening to numerous opinions online and offline, many people believe that this idea may breed problems especially when partners' background and income differs.

Would you join purse with your partner? If you are currently into it, kindly share its challenges and how you were able to manage them? What is best way and in what situation should you run a common purse?

I'm eager to learn from Nairalanders. Please don't go away without putting in a comment.

In truth, a "joint purse" in itself is neither here nor there. Having one acocunt doesn't make it easier and having two does not make it more difficult. It does not create problems neither does it resolve issues.

The essence is in the maturity and mutuality of the couple - being unified in your plans, and being honest & transparent in your financial dealings.

Then, whatever you plan, be it using one account or many - and with the willingness & flexibility to adapt over time - will be just fine.


I appreciate your looking into the matter before tying the knot.

Don't sweat the small stuff !

LewsTherin:
If one makes a personal expense, same must purchase something of silmilar worth for the other.

I find this odd? 1 Corinthians 13: 4 & 5, but we are not prescriptive and if it works.


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....I looked and looked, but I couldn't find a man anywhere in that write-up



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^{**there was a crusty mangina though**}

…another one of zboyds war of the roses inciting threads. Hmmmm….

I just wanted to make one point clear. In a Christian home, men are responsible for providing for their families.

We are all aware that in contemporary times women are more able, willing – and in many cases need – to make significant if not major contributions to household finances.

This should in no way affect the issue of headship or the responsibilities associated with it. That is fixed, headship is always the husbands. To be clear, it is not flexible based on financial contribution (or any other quality or attribute – it’s gonad driven).

Husbands, let your helpmeet help. Involve her – and be involved - in everything. Let her understand and be confident in challenging your thinking.

Where she has superior experience or understanding be gracious about acceding to that, it doesn’t impair your headship or resolve you of final responsibility – be considered.

Give her full reign to manage or run things where she has shown willingness and competence. Just ensure feedback is given to ensure all is well, and ascertain if she requires your support in any way.

One thing that is never mentioned is the wives who love to let their husbands make full provision, take full control and have all the responsibility. If your wife is of such, please encourage her.

Encourage her to be inquisitive, thoughtful and make meaningful contributions. Be patient as she learns to fulfil her role. In any event, ensure your wife understands that her full participation is needed and appreciated.

And to all those being prescriptive about what must happen when they marry. Good luck with that. You may have studied marriage for a lifetime, but until you actually tie the knot, you know less than a newlywed.



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netotse:
@Aluta and Nash
I tire o...even that one month sef...I still dey reason am, so them go pay me salary one month and I go just carry the money go buy ring...ontop wetin na?

The kneeling down part I get...pictures of the act...hell no!

Oya...my seniors in the biz...make una come begin dey cast una selves one by one...how did you propose?

TV01 , pickabeau1, Nashville, bellong. Ladies, how did your oga propose?

What you spend should fall between how much you can afford/think is reasonable to how much you both agree.

A proposal does not have to include a ring - at the exact point of proposal. Or it can be a "placebo" to start. One thing you can do is to figure it into your overall budget. That helps keep it in perspective, allows her have a say.

If you have an idea - she's been dropping hints ! - of style and size and are happpy/able to go with the 3-month maxim, or otherwise know what you are willing and able to spend, by all means incorporate it into proposal

I woo'ed and courted my wife without a ring and we got it together later. For the trad in Naija we used a cheapo one from NEXT.
Abi you didn't hear me claiming double Ijebu on that other thread !

Don't let her dictate to you - na from there e dey take start - you could have a bridezilla on your hands

All the best.


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coogar:
i found the online version in pdf for you.

http://afrrevjo.net/journals/ijah/Vol_1_no_3_art_15_Abimbola.pdf

Cheers


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Stillfire:
My sister is even dating an Ijebu guy. He cooked for me, so he has my blessing.

TV01 we might end up being in laws.

...I'm sure your sister will learn the courtesy demanded of Ijebu women and pass it on to you...otherwise, there is also an outlaw section. She can't go too wrong with a Jebusite. Funny, I've known groups of sisters to all marry Ijebus. I'm sure you won't dull ! Practice your ikokore...


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shizzle11:
Like seriously shymmex why are you getting all defensive and offensive at ChristieG at thesame time? You need to take a chill pill cos virtually every yoruba man/woman i know share thesame sentiment about the ijebu people, except ijebus like you ofcourse.

'ijebu we mu garri'

And where are you from?

Shymmex, please, easy! ChristyG hasn't denigrated the Ijebu on this thread.


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coogar:
TV01, this is one excerpt. the writer even included the oriki - how the muscular slaves were quickly sold to the europeans & the frail slaves were kept as domestic servants.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1765328_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

Well received. Thanks.


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***could you post the book title please***

coogar:
there's no tribe in nigeria that is jazz-free. i am not perturbed at all concerning jazz. stinginess & being prudent go hand in hand. it's mostly an individualistic trait.

what is more disturbing is the role they were alleged to have played during the trans-atlantic slave trade. the ijebus had the first contact with the europeans among the yoruba people so they benefitted immensely & even frustrated the other yoruba clans from making profit.

legend has it that the ijebus introduced their own tax before allowing the ijeshas, ondos, ekitis & ibadan slave merchants to ferry their slaves through ijebu land & this ate into their profit. personally, i think this is their major beef with the ijebus.

The Ijebus were never slavers.
There was a toll for goods - of whatever kind - passing through our homelands.

Shrewd business sense I'd say.


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