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carefreewannabe:
I hope you also know that the Bible tells slaves to submit to their masters.

1 Peter 2:18-20 (New International Version)

18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/1-peter/passage.aspx?q=1-peter+2:18-20


So much for medieval teachings.

CafreeWannabe holá, you have come...

Please tell us,

1. what should the Bible exhort (slaves or servants) to do?
2. Do you identify as a Christian or not?


Danke Schon


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^{**it must be said - you are doing a darn fine job with the gfifs. You are deffo #1 now, if only on the family section. Kudos**}

Why?
Because there really is no need to.

The figures for violence against women are vastly exaggerated, and whilst there was always adequate legislation , there are - and often excessive and unfairly applied - increasing laws made to fight it. VAWA anyone?

What we really need to highlight is violence against men - and the criminal distortion of the figures for domestic abuse and violence. Legislation is passed and laws enforced as if this is solely a male on female crime. Wrong! Violence against men is seriously under-reported and hardly taken seriously when it is.

Violence of any kind should be taken seriously.

Zboyd, aren't you due a vacation ?


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ultrazone:
For some time now I've been thinking about this. I'd love to have a joint purse with my future spouse. I believe this will make issues like budgeting and resource allocation a lot easier. Listening to numerous opinions online and offline, many people believe that this idea may breed problems especially when partners' background and income differs.

Would you join purse with your partner? If you are currently into it, kindly share its challenges and how you were able to manage them? What is best way and in what situation should you run a common purse?

I'm eager to learn from Nairalanders. Please don't go away without putting in a comment.

In truth, a "joint purse" in itself is neither here nor there. Having one acocunt doesn't make it easier and having two does not make it more difficult. It does not create problems neither does it resolve issues.

The essence is in the maturity and mutuality of the couple - being unified in your plans, and being honest & transparent in your financial dealings.

Then, whatever you plan, be it using one account or many - and with the willingness & flexibility to adapt over time - will be just fine.


I appreciate your looking into the matter before tying the knot.

Don't sweat the small stuff !

LewsTherin:
If one makes a personal expense, same must purchase something of silmilar worth for the other.

I find this odd? 1 Corinthians 13: 4 & 5, but we are not prescriptive and if it works.


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....I looked and looked, but I couldn't find a man anywhere in that write-up



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^{**there was a crusty mangina though**}

…another one of zboyds war of the roses inciting threads. Hmmmm….

I just wanted to make one point clear. In a Christian home, men are responsible for providing for their families.

We are all aware that in contemporary times women are more able, willing – and in many cases need – to make significant if not major contributions to household finances.

This should in no way affect the issue of headship or the responsibilities associated with it. That is fixed, headship is always the husbands. To be clear, it is not flexible based on financial contribution (or any other quality or attribute – it’s gonad driven).

Husbands, let your helpmeet help. Involve her – and be involved - in everything. Let her understand and be confident in challenging your thinking.

Where she has superior experience or understanding be gracious about acceding to that, it doesn’t impair your headship or resolve you of final responsibility – be considered.

Give her full reign to manage or run things where she has shown willingness and competence. Just ensure feedback is given to ensure all is well, and ascertain if she requires your support in any way.

One thing that is never mentioned is the wives who love to let their husbands make full provision, take full control and have all the responsibility. If your wife is of such, please encourage her.

Encourage her to be inquisitive, thoughtful and make meaningful contributions. Be patient as she learns to fulfil her role. In any event, ensure your wife understands that her full participation is needed and appreciated.

And to all those being prescriptive about what must happen when they marry. Good luck with that. You may have studied marriage for a lifetime, but until you actually tie the knot, you know less than a newlywed.



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netotse:
@Aluta and Nash
I tire o...even that one month sef...I still dey reason am, so them go pay me salary one month and I go just carry the money go buy ring...ontop wetin na?

The kneeling down part I get...pictures of the act...hell no!

Oya...my seniors in the biz...make una come begin dey cast una selves one by one...how did you propose?

TV01 , pickabeau1, Nashville, bellong. Ladies, how did your oga propose?

What you spend should fall between how much you can afford/think is reasonable to how much you both agree.

A proposal does not have to include a ring - at the exact point of proposal. Or it can be a "placebo" to start. One thing you can do is to figure it into your overall budget. That helps keep it in perspective, allows her have a say.

If you have an idea - she's been dropping hints ! - of style and size and are happpy/able to go with the 3-month maxim, or otherwise know what you are willing and able to spend, by all means incorporate it into proposal

I woo'ed and courted my wife without a ring and we got it together later. For the trad in Naija we used a cheapo one from NEXT.
Abi you didn't hear me claiming double Ijebu on that other thread !

Don't let her dictate to you - na from there e dey take start - you could have a bridezilla on your hands

All the best.


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coogar:
i found the online version in pdf for you.

http://afrrevjo.net/journals/ijah/Vol_1_no_3_art_15_Abimbola.pdf

Cheers


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Stillfire:
My sister is even dating an Ijebu guy. He cooked for me, so he has my blessing.

TV01 we might end up being in laws.

...I'm sure your sister will learn the courtesy demanded of Ijebu women and pass it on to you...otherwise, there is also an outlaw section. She can't go too wrong with a Jebusite. Funny, I've known groups of sisters to all marry Ijebus. I'm sure you won't dull ! Practice your ikokore...


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shizzle11:
Like seriously shymmex why are you getting all defensive and offensive at ChristieG at thesame time? You need to take a chill pill cos virtually every yoruba man/woman i know share thesame sentiment about the ijebu people, except ijebus like you ofcourse.

'ijebu we mu garri'

And where are you from?

Shymmex, please, easy! ChristyG hasn't denigrated the Ijebu on this thread.


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coogar:
TV01, this is one excerpt. the writer even included the oriki - how the muscular slaves were quickly sold to the europeans & the frail slaves were kept as domestic servants.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1765328_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

Well received. Thanks.


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***could you post the book title please***

coogar:
there's no tribe in nigeria that is jazz-free. i am not perturbed at all concerning jazz. stinginess & being prudent go hand in hand. it's mostly an individualistic trait.

what is more disturbing is the role they were alleged to have played during the trans-atlantic slave trade. the ijebus had the first contact with the europeans among the yoruba people so they benefitted immensely & even frustrated the other yoruba clans from making profit.

legend has it that the ijebus introduced their own tax before allowing the ijeshas, ondos, ekitis & ibadan slave merchants to ferry their slaves through ijebu land & this ate into their profit. personally, i think this is their major beef with the ijebus.

The Ijebus were never slavers.
There was a toll for goods - of whatever kind - passing through our homelands.

Shrewd business sense I'd say.


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damiso:
They don't spend impulsively and I have one kain confidence that my hubby always has something somewhere no matter how much he says he is skint. Despite that you can't find people who like the finer things of life as much as them.

Abi? How can the biggest "throwers down" be stingy...does that make any kind of sense ?


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^{...or should that be "throw downers"? Whatever...}

ChristyG:
heehehe,ijebu boi feeling funky,u even added all d strengths of other yoruba groups to ijebu,smh...anywaiz apart from d business and industrious part,i dont see how they are better than other yoruba groups.are dey more travelled than ogbomoso or d ejigbo(within nigeria),are they more learned or educated than ondo/ekiti)egba,nah i dont think so

Ha, ha, ha, lemme guess, you are married to one !

So you agree on the superior industriousness? That in itself informs the others and answers all
And when I said "travelled", I wasn't referreing to p'oku l'owo e from Ijebu-Ode to Sagam...Globally !


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Joy83:
@TV01, you have said a good and encouraging point. I want to believe you are from Ijebu?

Thank you
Why on earth would you think I'm from Ijebu?

Joy83:
As to your question, I belong to people of Akoko land in Ondo state. So am I good to marry your Ijebu person?

E wa ba wa re 0!

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Joy83,

I can confidently tell you that the Ijebu are quite sniffy about marrying out, and don't unduly concern themselves about those thinking of marrying in.

They are respected amongst the other Yoruboid clans, whom they themselves consider as "awon ara oke".

Amongst the paramount Youruba they are;

The most well-read
The most widely travelled
The most astute politicians
The best bureaucrats
The chieftest and shrewdest entrepreneurs

They are aspirational for their sons and their daughters, with clear role expectations for both. Any vestigial baggage - i.e. jazz - is being relinquished and becoming a thing of the past.

They never willingly surrendered to foreign invaders and till this day remain unbowed and unbroken.

As per my opening and last points, they are secure in their homeland and comfortable within themselves. More than content to keep it Ijebu and happy to be isolationist .

While our women are consulting with our lawyers, our men are sharpening their spears. Ewe So Omo Alare

You inquiring, who are your people?


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kingchi32:
Prior to our visit, we have discussed that we will perform some of the marriage rites that he can afford and leave the rest later,

There was already agreement between you both. Good

kingchi32:
but during the visit my mum suggested we should try and conclude all the traditional marriage rites because we are not from the same tribe, so we don't stress ourselves calling and coming down home again and cooking again for people.

Then Mama weighed in ,with well meaning advice I'm sure - this is were you should have given pause for thought, instead of mentally assenting to your mums idea without first re-visiting the earlier discussion you'd had with your fiancé

kingchi32:
When we got back, my bf did not bring up the topic again so we discuss and know what to do, on Sunday night, i have to bring up the issue as i will b travelling on Monday morning.

How did you bring it up? And what did you bring up? Was it your original plan and if you should change it in the light of your mums suggestion -or simply your mums plan taken as read?

kingchi32:
He said he doesn't have the cash and doesn't need my help, that he wants to do everything on his own, so he is not sure when the marriage will hold.

Which you already knew as you'd both discussed this prior - and planned with that in mind.

kingchi32:
I told him i cant be in a relationship that i m not sure, I threatened to quit which he accepted without committing himself.

The uncertainty was introduced by you and your mother. The impasse is your fault. You know your finacé situation, mummy doesn't. She just advised on what was best. And you gave him an ultimatum challenging his manhood? I wish more women were as forthright as you - just more considered !

kingchi32:
The quarrel has gotten to the extent that we r planning what to tell our parents as cause of separation.

Mainly due to your poor handling of the situation

kingchi32:
He said he will tell them our genotype did not match, whereas i said i will tell them that i was impatient and have to move on.

If you've both decided to call it quits, that may be a good thing, as this kind of triviality should never have become an issue.

kingchi32:
I love him and never wish to leave him but i cant just sit and wait as i believe he is still young (27yrs) and may later change his mind if i don't get him to do the needful now.

Maybe he will, maybe he won't? Maybe he should, maybe he shouldn't

kingchi32:
Please i need your advice......

Since you asked so nicely !

Call loffaboi, tell him you understand his desire to "take care of business". Explain you are willing to play your part to facilitate things, but understand if it seems right in his sight to bear this burden - to wife you as is customary and proper. That's a good thing no?

Then tell him you are happy to proceed as he sees fit, but you just need to know what his timings are.

If the timings are not acceptable. Discuss further. If you reach agreement - and do not settle for anything to far in the future and ensure you are comfortable with any plan - happy days.

If not, go with the impatient excuse. First, it's the truth. Second, the genotype is kinda final and if you change your mind and later reconcile, it may be hard to explain away.

You're welcome. Go and learn to communicate, think about matters and discuss things thoproughly. You'll need it whoever you marry.


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carefreewannabe:
Last time I checked, polygamy wasn't permitted in France. Consequently, the stepmother must have divorced the father to marry the son and in this case she is no longer his legal stepmother and therefore their child cannot be his sibling.

Either this is not CFW, or you didn't read this thoroughly.
The woman in question had a child with her new husbands father - her former husband.

Her new husband is now step-father to his own half- sister. And it's polygamy you are concerned with?


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pickabeau1:
Good helpful advice TV01

Good to see his thread is back up

I was meaning to dig it up for a while but was wondering if the ladies will let the thread be..

maybe if Nashville don't bring stories here...open new thread for them...
Royal Roy abi Na Woy on a high... 200m pounds is working...


Let's see how this man cave spell will be
Not too optimistic though

On Wenger...only a kind of person does the same thing annually and expects a different result..


Mou's little scudereria is purring fine.....


Pellegrini still in d mix....Silva and aguero have been superb.if toure picks up...they will do well

Liverpool without Suarez...struggling...

Southampton with all the sales have been splendid

I don't think we need worry about "real ladies" ! Let's be more concerned about our input as men.

I've noticed the "ponies" doing well. But they typically fall away. Infact, Arsenal epitomises the fast-galloping pony that ultimately can't keep up. Even I wince when I see them being ripped by Fabregas...it's just so unfair


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ihedinobi2:
Trying to start a company. Let myself believe that I could build something new with someone else and tried. That tanked too.

Keep on working - on yourself and on whatever plans you have.

There's no generic roadmap as such, but there are guidelines - based mostly on charater and principles. And even the guidelines will be based on your character and principles, or you'll be unlikely to stick to them. Set high worth on yourself and high standards/value for who you will take as wife.

I'm not sure what things are like in terms of meeting the right calibre of woman. That itself can skew things - too few and you tend to rush in when you spot one. Too many and you can be paralysed by choice.

Cultivate a network of friends and acquaintances. Don't be too quick to isolate and attach to any one person. Take things gradually and study them closely. If at any point you think thay can't be it, zone them appropriately.

Don't commit emotionally until 1. You are quite sure and 2. Have done your due dilligence. 3. Pray about it and be as righteous as you know how. 4. Always keep your posture as a man - whatever the case, it's more likely to go wrong if you don't.



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ihedinobi2:
Ok. So, seriously, how do you find a sensible, decent woman to marry these days? I always thought you started with someone from way back and built a relationship steadily until you got the job and the house and she was sure what career path she wanted to pursue then you got married.

Thay obviously didn't work out for me. Way Back crashed and burned a while ago. So how is it done now?

First, don't become despondent. What have you been up to since then?


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Nashville:
United that Lost to Leicester City!

And probably used up 75% of their luck for the season to beat Everton


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RoyalRoy:
Always thought of kick starting the "cave". So nice.


After 7 games....Man United managed to be sitting in the 4th place ahead of Arsenal and Liverpool despite the embarrassing start.

A great turn around for the Reds after their numerous injuries and woes.

GGMU.

There's a sense the Reds may be turning the corner. But ther's also a sense that they are still fragile and riding their luck. This weekend was point in quesion.

I think they'll figure, and even be a force once they gell. But Chelsea are out ofd the traps running - and hard. It's hard to see beyond them right now.

Everyone else looks, patchy, suspect, fragile or slow starting.


Even Wenger is rattled already


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...shout out to all the men who made this a real cave. I've been meaning to rummage through and enliven this thread, but someone - albeit for some odd reason - has done it anyway. All good.

Mourinho' Blues are looking relentless at the moment - is it going to be the year of the lil horse ?


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Stillfire:
Submission ko, sobolation ni. This has nothing to do with submission abeg but the mental IQ of the wife. The woman must be a person of low mental assimilation to not have weighed the consequences and detected the rationale behind her partner informing her of the risks and endangerment she places herself. When they tell you people to marry intelligent wives, una no go gree.

Stillfire:
It seems you just want to talk for the sake of being a talkative.[b] How on earth did you arrive at the conclusion that I have excluded responsibility from this woman? [/b]Should I have spelt it out like this for laymen to understand... that the woman who couldn't see reason with her husband is to be blamed and should take responsibility for her actions? I believe my previous words were succinct enough to encompass all angles you can ever ever think of.
And yes there are various policies in force that prevent a response to good, trivial and NONSENSE questions because Nairaland is not that deep for me. These policies have helped me in not getting caught in useless unending arguments and e-battles that for some of you may be the highlights of your day . When I'm no more interested, I apologize in advance, but I'm no more interested. This is not a place to prove any iota of my intellect, I have enough of that in real life dealing with geniuses who are certainly not of NL calibre.

All you've demonstrated here is that you wrote the first time without thinking and the second time without understanding - whilst managing to contradict yourself both times. I've no doubt your claim to regularly engage geniuses is in the same vein.



Actually you do have some semblance of a point. I said the stock responses are 2, they should realy be 3

1. It's society' fault
2. The woman is mad/psychotic/bipolar/on medication/was provoked/a dullard
3. It's the mans fault.


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tomatoJos:
I have a little working experience,and I already have a ready network. That's why I would rather marry someone with capital and drive.

You have great plans and ambitions - and you have every right to have those - but he's not actually someone you'd ideally like to marry? Although he "ticks a lot of boxes" (you understand, but do not fully appreciate the value he brings). Your real aim is to use marriage to him as a platform to achieve your ambitions (with a mind to having him as backstop if your ambitions don't materialise).

Whilst I don't actually think you are a necessarily bad person - I find this kind of approach dangerous and even detestable to be honest. But I know it's a common mindset for many entertaining/entering marriage

Long-term, if your "dreams" are not realised, you'll likely become frustrated, you'll blame him and convince yourself that he caused your dreams to go unfulfilled. It's not a great basis for a happy marriage.

If I were advising him, I'd say "run a mile - and in record time. It's all about her and not actually you or the union. You have a modicum of achievement, and "contentment". Great gain the bible says. Find someone more suitable and more in tune with your pace and long-term desires.

If things don't go according to her plan you may well end up a broken man and very likely with a broken marriage. It could even happen if things do go according to her plan, as she may see you as not "worthy" of her. Bro, please spare yourself"


I wish you well with your dreams, but it makes sense to find someone who shares them - or at least someone with the "capital & drive" you ideally want.


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kandiikane: I disagree..

No problem. I appreciate your perspective.


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kandiikane: Oh please, normality? Do you know that if allowed a woman can conceive without a sperm? What you call "normality" is what is called heterosexuality,

Naturally, women cannot conceive without male genetic material.Please tell us how - without the use of technology
Normality is properly ordered use of our obvious functionality.

kandiikane: so there is not such thing as heterosexuality yet there is homosexuality.

I use the terms normal and abnormal. My use of the terms het & hom are an accommodation for discussions sake.

kandiikane: You are arguing over something that everyone knows. Yes heterosexuality is what humans are designed for genderwise but there can also be glitches in regards to orientation as you have written just as there are glitches in those born with two genders so what exactly are you arguing?

If there are glitches and these glitches are a statistically minor part and deleterious, we should accept them perhaps, but not re-engineer social morés and conventions to accommodate them.

kandiikane: So if it is a disorder how can you say it's not something that occurs in the womb? The same way downs syndrome occurs? Do you honestly think a person would genuinely choose to be homosexual?

Are all disorders from the womb? Are all genetic? I can claim exactly that. And a disorder - especially one that adds no value and is possibly harmful - should not be normalised or encouraged.

kandiikane: I am not claiming anything, I am stating facts. How can wiring of the brain be something that is developed, what you think i am talking about a hypothetical wiring or a learned behaviour? I am talking about physically wiring, the connectors and circuits of the brain as real as the frontal lobe. I am not talking of "oh, he was wired to be a racist, no I am talking about the physicality of the brain itself, an abnormality of the brain. You dont Smoke weed because you have an abnormality in your brain.

Assertion. The brain does learn and codify that learning. Re-enforcing it and expressing it. If the brain is wired in opposition to the obvious functionality it's still a disorder.

There is no homosexual form of reproduction and no homosexual gene so it has to be a disorder.

kandiikane: Homosexuality may not be something certain societies calls "normal"(what the hell is normal even?but it is something that happens in nature that people should be okay in accepting.

Accepting it is one thing, making major changes to incorporate it, embedding it as normal and forcing everyone to celebrate it is another.


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carefreewannabe: Even your friends from the "ex-gay" movement have confessed that they have done more harm than good (in almost 40 years) by trying to change people's se*xual orientation. So much for facts.

So you have no answers?

Exodus and it's operation are not more than a strand of this discussion. Devoid of answers you try and settle it thus? Please apply the renowned Bavarian work ethic and technological aptitude .


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Ha, ha, I have not answered your questions, yet you claim all my plainly observable facts are merely "my beliefs". Way to dodge CFW.

carefreewannabe: No, it is not. It's your conclusion.

Observable, repeatable. Proven

carefreewannabe: This is what you believe. This is what you want to believe.

It's the truth you can't face up to.

carefreewannabe: But even if we agreed on that, how would it make someone change?

I agree it may not be easy, but it is certainly possible - google it. Fix what is broken, replace the disordered impressions and resulting desires.

carefreewannabe: This is a state of emergency, in which these men find themselves in. It can't be compared to homes*exuals who live free.

Nope, it's adopting a behaviour. Choosing. Giving leave to sexual desire. Which is a very strong urge and can, unfortunately be disordered.

"Homosexuals in the wild" - you are funny today.

carefreewannabe: There is something called homes*exuality, heterose*xuality and bis*exuality. The third group has all options open. They don't have to force themselves to feel attracted to anyone, they feel attracted to "everyone".

So it's not a spectrum then? And where do paeds, zoos and other parphillias fit in? Are they not sexualities?

carefreewannabe: If you start talking about religion from your point of view, you will make me hate Christianity so let us keep religion out of it.

But your take is allowed, or your beliefs with unstated origins are permissable. I have not stated anything on belief or religion, only on plain observable fact.

carefreewannabe: I am not arguing based on any belief system, am I?

Too easy. Everyone has a beliefs system and you've repeatedly stated your points as beliefs.

carefreewannabe: You have not answered my question properly. Would you be able to turn gay IF YOU HAD TO?

I don't have to, neither do I want to. But it is possible as demonstrated in the prison example which you tried to wish away.


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kandiikane: What is wrong with a father being a caregiver? This your statement contradicts what you have written previously.
You say fathers hardly get custody yet denounce the idea of a father being a primary caregiver. We are not living in the times where only the father can go bushmeat hunting. Both are equality educated to work out in the field and a father should not be made ashamed to choose to be the primary care giver. I believe you saw my link where fathers who become primary care givers have the same brain patterns as mothers who are primary care givers.


And why is it rarely the best? I don't understand your third line here but if you mean a man cannot be a primary caregiver because of the economy then that is false. Unless you want to marry a stay home wife, many women are working and earning good enough to rent, get a mortgage and look after their children. If in a situation where a woman earns more than the man and they collectively decide for one of them to stay home, nothing wrong with the man staying during the tender years.


Research, do some.



Lmao! Come off it, be honest and sincere to yourself, how many men do you think are readily willing to be full custodians? As much as men are fighting for the custody of their children many more rather leave them with the mother to have that freedom. That's just the honest truth.



Again your opinion


Refer to my statement on fathers willingly allowing the woman to take custody. If fathers were wanting to be custodians of their children there won't be as much lone single parents. Yes, some women, a minority frustrate some fathers but once they take it to court it is the welfare of the child that is a priority not the anonymity between the parents. Majority of parents would want help to raise their children. Not every woman is bitter over a breakup or on a revenge mission against the ex by using the child.

We can exchange opinions all day. The court systems are not unbiased in term sof custody and visitation judgements or enforcements. I previously posted the link to fathers for justice - http://www.fathers-4-justice.org/our-campaign/our-mission/ - at the very least it's plain to see that such a movement woul dbe redundant if there was no bias.

You may well be speaking about whats supposed to happen, but I have seen first hand what happens in practice. Often times a fathers involvement is reduced to purely monetary terms - even when they want and are able to give much more.



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carefreewannabe: I don't think that ALL humans were designed to cop*ulate with the opposite s*ex. Consequently, I can't call homo*sexuality wrong on grounds of such a belief.

But whatever your claim, male + female = babies. Whatever your belief, so called homosexuals males and females have exactly the same reporductive system as everyone else and are capable of functioning like everyone else with exaclt the same issues. Moreso, they desire children.

So again, if the functionality is there and the desire is there , but there is dissonance in the orientation, is that not prima facie evidence of dysfunction or a disorder

carefreewannabe: What ideology?

It's simple logic.

Could I re-orientate my attraction for the opposite s*ex and become homose*xual if someone told me to? Of course, not.

Could you change your se*xual orientation if you had to?

And as i have clearly stated in an earlier response - to KK I believe - it is not necessarily as simple as flipping a switch. In manu cases it is a long-term combination of choices, internalising of impressions, stimuli, feedback and trauma, which lead to the mindset, which may appear innate.

It is well documented that men who do not identify as gay will engage in gay behaviour whilst in prison and revert back once on the streets.

My function, "orientation" and desires all align as they should. If someone who is likewise ordered consciously decided to engage differently - for whatever reason - they could. There have been many instances - of particulalrly women - switching between a preference for men or women. Take the mayor of NY' wife for example.

It's funny how my beliefs are excluded, but you are allowed to submit your own. Nice !


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donpeey22: The truth is that men get more pressure from the society about getting married than women. I will agree if somebody says that Biology puts more marriage pressure on women than men, but saying society? That's not true!

Exactly! They are the ones chided as being "irresponsible" if they don't
And exactly again - men simply have a different - and all told a more favourable - window of opportunity.

If anything, they are pressured to accomodate the female window into theirs.


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