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signature2012:
You need to change your orientation about we Nigerians.From all your post,i can see your are a bloody racist.

Me and you are only opportune to be in America,don't use that to castigate others back home.

You came here for your graduate studies,why did you no do it back home?Why did you run away from Nigeria?
Or you want to tell me UI,OAU and some other univerisities dont offer the course you came here to read.

Lets be honest, before you ask me why i ran away, shouldn't you answer that question yourself? if the universities you claim were that good, why didn't you study there?

Second, i'm not sure why you want me to change my orientation about Nigerians... i mean take a bloody look at the nation. What is positive about it?

Don't use terms you don't understand... Nigerians are not a "race"... so i can't be racist. Pointing out serious flaws in our nation doth not a racist make. What makes Nigeria's flaws worse is that it is peopled by unprincipled frauds.

signature2012:
So citizens of this countries dont lie?

They dont commit fraud?

They are 100% honest?

They dont disobey the law?

I believe you still have relatives back home in Nigeria who are among the populate.

Yes, a small minority do. But in your country, the vast majority are frauds... that is why your green passport is a disgrace at pretty much every airport you pass through. That is not a coincidence. Tell me, what is wrong about your country that you want to run away from? There, you got your answer.

sirRiddy:
No one is trying to getting into your inner cycle. No one knows you here,
it is a faceless forum. Just stop the characterization of a certain people as being
criminal even if many of them have bad behaviors. It reeks of bigotry and someone with your
supposed level of education would be expected to know this. If you have this
terrible level of bias, you pose a threat to the peaceful coexistence of diverse people.
Come off your high horse and treat people with some respect.

Frauds deserve no respect. Good luck.

signature2012:
So what solution have you proffer?
If you want solution,go back to Nigeria and contest to be president,i pray you win,then make Nigeria Great Again

There is partly where the problem lies. America, Norway, France etc. are not great because of their presidents, they are great because of the ordinary people, like you and me. People who prioritize following simple laws, do not lie on forms or at interviews, are not constantly seeking to defraud others in the "name of god". America is great because of that government worker who comes in on time, goes above and beyond the normal call of duty simply and does his work with integrity.

Nigeria isn't great, not simply because of lying thieves appointed as presidents, but by the equally incompetent folks who populate the nation.

signature2012:
So what solution have you proffer?

Easy, follow the laws and be honest.

signature2012:
@TWooDs,Is becoming too much of you.You keep tagging all Nigerians with different bad names.
Are you not tired of all this attack?
Same thing you are doing in the USA student thread.I expect you to be more matured and expose than all this act of yours,let everyone do what they like.#simple.

We've been doing that for 50 years... take a look at Nigeria and weep. Funny you all want to run away to countries that are what they are today because people cannot simply do what they like. Quite odd in my view.

Chelseafan1:
LOL, I understand your fears, if I was in your shoes, I wouldn't for real but then, people ain't the same, you know? can i mail you please?

Sure, go ahead.

sirRiddy:
Bro wassup?
What is it with you and Nigerians?
Is this not some sort of narcissism you are tending towards?
Judge people individually is how we should act. Why the bigotry?

I repeat, read this thread in some detail... would you let any of these unruly hooligans in your home?

You misuse the word "narcissim"... being very cautious about people you let into your inner cycle is not the same as being a narcissist. The very first and only persons to dupe me in the US was a Nigerian. If the words of most here is anything to go by, these are people who would have zero compunction being dishonest if it means they get a leg up, regardless of the consequences to you. I've had plenty of time to judge people individually...

progress69:
Go and sit down. You are a noise maker too full of hmself.

Just shut it already

You only have a visa... i'd be more willing to listen to anything you have to say after you've lived here long enough to form a serious opinion. Good luck.

Chelseafan1:
Is it possible for you to help someone that isnt related to you, even if I'm gonna take care of the monetary aspect, I have a university degree, also very good with the computer, have a business too but I just wanna leave naija.

Cc Twoods

Depends. Unfortunately i would not help a Nigerian i am not related to. Read through the threads here, would you let any of these unruly hooligans in your house? Good luck to you.

plainmirror:
That reply is unnecessary. Twoods made a whole lot of valid points. Try to sheath your sword and learn, that is how mature people behave.

Be kind to him, as you rightly pointed out, you can't help the immature.

progress69:
Oga Americana, he never said he was an Americana. The way u guys that have stayed abroad for a while quickly wash people down is not fair. U were once like him, and he may meet u were u are and even overtake u. I know numerous people who left and got married and are doing fine, talking of personal friends i have mire than 5 of them including Riwan who is a Muslim. He is married and still mareied with a beautiful daughter 5 years after. Its only Kelly who.is a warri boy that got divorced, biut he already has his green card. He doesn't calm down even before he left. He is still single 2 years after divorce. Others are doing fine with kids. Bidemi as 3 kids wnd still married to same woman. He stated what he knew, there was no point attacking him and discrediting him. No big deal getting married there. We know the process is not easy, but its worth it. Nothing is easy.

1. If he wasn't American then why is he aping slang that is mostly reserved for the uneducated?
2. I was never like him - there is no sense in speaking like a tout really, just because the "phonetics" impresses Nigerians who know next to nothing of the real American culture.
3. He won't meet me (because he doesn't know me)...
4. Overtaking is not an issue... that is Nigerian nonsense. Every man has his/her own lane in life.
5. No one is saying no one should get married... just do it right and not simply as a means of getting a green card. It really is not that complicated.

cosade:
To make comparisons that people can easily relate to, such simple analogies are used. No one is saying anyone need 2,000 haircuts in a month.

Nothing is false about what I said. There are millions of graduates earning more than that in Nigeria. It's obvious the relation referenced in the post is not a fresh graduate! No one has said fresh graduates in Nigeria earn N500,000 monthly.

the ratio of graduates earning N500,000 monthly to those who have no jobs would be what in Nigeria?

cosade:
You already converted the $2,000 to naira at the parallel market rate, and you probably screamed "almost One Million naira monthly!".

A graduate earning half of that amount in Nigeria would be living better than the person you mentioned.

A simple analogy, with $2,000 monthly you'll be to have haircut 118 times (at $17 per cut) whereas with half of that amount (N500,000), you'll be able to have 2,000 haircuts (at N250 per cut).
Again, remember that the money is earned in US and would be spent in US.

False... that graduate will be lucky to have a job that pays that much in Nigeria in the first place. That same salary is expected to help with food, rent, a car, generator (plus gasoline/diesel to fun it daily), a steady source of potable water... these are all things the person earning $2000 in the US would not have to deal with (other than paying bills, which can be dirt cheap depending on where you choose to live). Nobody needs 1000 hair cuts a month.

Part 11!

skitkid2:
You keep dodging the question.

What would you tell the vo if he asked if you were returning to naija?

1. I answered it ages ago... you weren't listening.
2. It had zero to do with the issue that generated this discussion in the first place. This was simply a "change the subject" excuse to justify supporting lying to a VO. The issue that started this whole thing was the OP openly admitting lying that the school he picked was recommended to him by his sister as an alumnus... a fact that the VO readily proved to be false. That is a lie that has zero to do with ties... its just straight up dishonesty... especially when it wasn't necessary at all.

skitkid2:
@Twoods

You wrote a very long epistle, which didn't prove anything.

The question is simple:

If the vo had asked you if you were coming back, what would you say?

When we become successful in what we do, most of the times we think its just because of our hardwork.

Hardwork with a little bit of luck is the key to success.

Your long story of integrity and hardwork, just proves one thing, which is how lucky you're.

It wouldn't have mattered if i posted a valid fact or not... like most nigerians, you're more invested in "winning" a point than reading anything posted. Integrity and hard work are not long stories... they are the reason you fast and pray to get visas to the US, Canada and Europe. The lack of them is also the reason Africa is currently a disgrace. Good luck.

The foreign countries we run to were not built on luck. Good roads, constant electricity, invention of the computer... all did not happen by dint of luck. Governments and societies set goals and worked diligently to achieve them. To disparage all these and simply call it "luck" explains the problem with you and Nigeria in general. The problem is that these are not values that you respect. You'd rather lie, cheat and "hustle"...

towontoprecious:
Good afternoon everyone.
I am one of the silent readers here..I just have to come and appreciate everyone here for sharing their transcripts and experience one way or the other cuz it really open my eyes to a lot of things...God bless you all
My transcript below:

Yesterday was my interview and went with all my documents which were not checked. I arrived at the embassy Lagos office by 6.40am and my appointment was for 7.00am and went through the security checks and after standing for a while, I entered for the interview. I did my finger print and passport photograph scanning and later join the queue for the interview. I was watching all what is happening (praying silently with my heart in my mouth) and how many are been refused by the VOs especially a very friendly lady giving out blue sheet with smile.

VO: Good Morning
Me: Good morning, how are you this morning
VO: Very fine. Thank you (smiles)
Me: (Smiles back)
VO: What are you going to do in the USA?
Me: For my annual vacation, take some days totally off work and sight see places
VO: Where are you going in USA?
Me: Virginia
VO: Virginia? Young people go to Texas, New York, Vegas…So why Virginia?
Me: I watched a documentary when I was in my final year about Luray Cavern formed by gradual sedimentation of stalactites……blah blah blah
VO: What do you do?
Me: I work with XYZ organization and also an MBA student in UNILAG
VO: Any relative in the USA?
Me: No, that was why I booked my hotel accommodation
VO: Have you travelled anywhere before?
Me: Yes, I have been to Togo and Ghana (road trip)
Vo: Are you married?
Me: No, but engaged
VO: When is your wedding?
Me: July 1st
VO: Where does he work?
Me: ***** Bank
VO: Any kid?
Me: Not yet
VO: Okay, Your visa is approved, this paper blah blah blah……………….
Me: Have a great day.

My Case Is Different

Different from who?

nickxtra:
I want know the implication(s) of none compliance to the mandatory pension scheme by a company Nigeria?

There is a company, with close to 50 employees (80% of which are females) based in Abuja, where my sister works. Some of staff have spent upto 10 years and my sister just spent 4 years now, but the Managing Director has refused to enrol them for the mandatory pension scheme, even though it is stated in her letter of employment, i.e. to register her for the scheme.

At a point, a female-based NGO wrote to the company mandating it to register its staff for the pension scheme, the MD grudgingly started the process, by bringing forms for the staff to fill, but later stopped when it appeared that he must have settled with the NGO. Since he stopped the process, they have not heard anything from the NGO again.

And the situation the staff find themselves is that they are afraid to confront the company, as the MD fires staff at will, especially when you discuss issues like this with him. The staff live in fear and are at the mercy of the MD who runs the company as it pleases him, even when it negates professional and etnical standards.

Unfortunately there is nothing you can do. You live in a jungle, not a country.

MISTAICEY02288:
Ant what gives you the impression that im simplifying anything here huh? I aint simplifyin no damn thin was just stating the facts of what i know and have seen. And like i said before i aint encouragin pple to come here instead of Canada, they can select Canada cos they offer easy citizenship. I dont wanna be quoted again on this damn topic please.

You're not American and i doubt you've lived there beyond a year or two... but you're heavy on the phony accent. May i remind you that the upper middle class average American does not use ghetto speak? Yawn.

femi321:
Brother, if you know you cant stand somethings here, just scroll and ignore,i don't think its hard to do that. From your post its like you don't even want anyone to come over to America. In reality that might be wrong but that's what most of us can infer from your posts.All these back and forth argument and insults wont do anybody any good. Sometimes i see some posts here and i am like don't they know VOs come here,all i do is just ignore and not cause unnecessary argument and that doesn't make me less of a man.

Plenty of Nigerians here... and its easy to see why Nigeria isn't growing. You go to Houston and Nigerian restaurants are consistently the only restaurants that do not open at the time they claim they would. You try the phone numbers and they are either discontinued, switched off or picked up by a bored assistant on the 10th ring who rudely tells you to come back 4 hours after the posted opening time. I just came back from a foreign trip a few hours ago, the limo driver who picked me up today was a Nigerian - and he was the first limo driver I've had in the past 4 years who was late, could not locate the arrival lounge and who i had to call three times to locate.

I'd like a lot of Nigerians here... but i frankly would prefer the lazy, the dishonest and the scurrilous to stay back in Nigeria. These people are the reason the green passport has become the emblem of sleaze the world over.

slimmy2005:
I see visa interview just the same way I see an advocate defending his/her client for committing a crime. The advocate can lie and shield a lot of information in order to get his client free of the charges.

Clearly, it depends on how you are able to defend your case with VO (lies or truth, partial or full information).

If you're wondering why Nigeria is a completely disorganized dump... see above. Based on this, our politicians are justified to completely loot the treasury... afterall they are just "defending their case" like an attorney would.

skitkid2:
@TWoods your arguments show how selfish you probably are.

As a man of integrity and truthfulness which you claim to be, you should have told the VO you will not be coming back after your studies. You probably lied or got lucky and they didn't ask you the question.

Everybody's situation in life is different. We're not born with the same privileges.
You didn't need to work under the table to complete college and become successful, because your parents had the money or you were privileged to have the money. But others do.
Everybody deserves a chance to be successful in life(silver spoon or not).

Finally, stop judging peoples actions by checking them with what you had to do.
We are different people with different destinies and would each probably have to do things differently before we can become successful.

Life is not easy, different strokes for different folks.

I firmly disagree with you... and you're absolutely free to disagree with me too. However, the attitude of "the end justifies the means" is frankly why much of Africa remains backward. I find it odd that Africans who routinely think nothing of lying on visa applications, openly brag about breaking laws, think laws should exist only inasmuch as it benefits them and them only... are the very ones fasting and praying to go live in foreign countries peopled by those who uphold honesty and obeying the law almost to a fault. The foreign countries we are all dying to go to did not appear by magic. It took years of self-sacrifice, devotion to building an orderly nation and patriotism to the point of self-denial!

How many Nigerian government offices do you see open for work promptly at 8am? On the flipside, how many times do you find an American making frivolous excuses to avoid work or taking 3 hour lunch breaks?

Yes everyone deserves a chance to be successful in life, but success at the expense of integrity is simply luck.

Let me quickly disabuse some of the frankly unserious stuff you posted above:

1. Lying to the VO about coming back after school - No i did not lie to the VO because that question was not even asked. Surprising at it might seem, there was a time when you did not need a visa to go to the UK and getting a US visa was as simple as showing up at the consulate. The reason many of these questions are coming up now is simply because the VOs have become much wiser to the fact that most of the folks who show up asking for F1 visas are not students at all... but dishonest economic migrants. If i were in their shoes, i would not want you in my country either. Stay in your country... there are consequences for thinking laws don't matter. Nigeria is one...

2. Not having to work under the table because of privileged parents - Wrong. My father told me point blank that he did not have any money to help me out after my bachelors degree, so getting a bank account from him (like many have been privileged to get) was out of the question. Rather i sat back and spent 3 years meticulously gathering all the information i needed to pursue a graduate program without any financial assistance from anyone. I not only got into the top graduate program in my field, i obtained a $65,000 tuition + benefits fellowship + $18,500/year stipend. In other words, i went to school for 5 years, for free and i was even paid for it! All it takes is diligence, hard-work and determination. Much of your problem isn't that you were not born with a silver spoon, its that you're frankly too lazy to put in the work necessary.

3. Everyone deserves a chance to be successful - i beg to differ. The dishonest and the criminal do NOT deserve a chance to be "successful". That type of empty "success" is why many of us have left Nigeria today.

4. stop judging peoples actions by checking them with what you had to do - I am not "judging". This word has become a catchall phrase by those who are unwilling to face their flaws. I did not do anything special... anyone with a computer and a brain can do what i did. The difference is that i was willing to put in the effort, you simply want to come on here, post a question (that is on the thread if you bothered to read it at all) then walk over to get a stamped visa at the consulate the next day.

5. We are different people with different destinies - No, we are just people who think differently. I value diligence, you seem to be ok with the attitude of "anything goes".

6. Life is not easy - Life is what you make of it. I grew up with not much, like many of you. I have a best friend who grew up with even less and with one parent missing... if he could do it without compromising his integrity, so can you. Get to work!

slimmy2005:
What are the requirements to prove you'll return after study now? Try to get some nap, you already worked yourself up

This is how people fail exams... read my quote again... it doesnt say what you think.

slimmy2005:
and your honest self after assuring VO you'll return you're still here foming cyber bully. You be learner

Back in the day... there was no requirement to prove that you would return to your country after studying. Thanks to you and your crew... things will only get harder for the next generation. They better get their anointing oils ready.

sirRiddy:
For the purpose of not derailing, I will end the discussion.
Just try to be cautious as the reality still remains that religion is
very delicate.

There is nothing delicate about the religion of a bunch of frauds. We have the largest churches in the world and yet have the longest lines of lying economic migrants at every foreign consulate possible. Fat load of good that "religion" has done for us. That "religion" is what allows people to boast about lying to VOs, why claiming "its all about god". Its also the same "religion" that allows someone to defend lying as "sensible" while also claiming that its ok because after all Abraham also lied.

It might interest our fellow here to do some bible digging... for all intent and purposes, Sarah was actually Abraham's sister as well as his wife.