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sirRiddy:
Lots of truth in your response but
try not to disrespect people's religions and beliefs even though it makes no sense to you.
Just for peace sake. Religion is a very touchy subject.
Apart from being a developing country, this dishonesty
has made getting a visa a fasting and prayer exercise.

Bro i am a christian myself so i'm not disrespecting religious beliefs... i'm simply fed up of frauds who consistently take the name of the Lord in vain. Crowing about how "its all about god" even when they are blatantly lying, using fraudulent documents to obtain visas and fully intend to violate visa laws. Romans 13 very clearly indicates that God expects us to be honest in our secular dealings and obey the laws of the country we find ourselves in. So the real question is - are most of the people here christian or people who use christianity only when it suits them?

With regard to religion being a touchy subject - it need not be, God can ably defend himself.

Visa is a fasting and praying exercise only because of our attitudes. If we didn't lie or cheat, we would not need a 200 page thread to figure out how to obtain a student or visiting visa.

slimmy2005:
Even Abraham lied to save himself from Abimelech Genesis 12:10-13. He lied so that the will of God would prevail right? Phard10 also lied so that his desire to succeed prevails.

On what planet is this even a serious response? You people daily make a mockery of the gospel. Its no surprise no one believes in your religious hubris anymore. Its basically a smokescreen for desperate people with no integrity whatsoever. Its even more stupid when you realize that one of the VOs actually posted here today - indicating that they do read these threads... good luck to the rest of the sheep who will be denied once the VOs catch on to the lies.

Anyway, "to god be the glory"...

Phard10:
i am so sorry as i will be droppin a long note.
this my testimony
hello my good people. i am Fadiminiyi Oluwaseun.
i have been a silent follower on this thread,i come here to read all time even when i was having the plans to study in America.
To God be the glory with what i have gained in this thread. i was able get my i-20,paid my sevis fee,applied for my visa and filled my Ds-160 all by myself with the help of the information i get from this thread. my visa was denied November 28th in abuja. this is the transcript of my first visa interview: the school i applied for is AIms community college, Greeley colorado. Computer information system.
interview time 9:00am abuja consulate.
V.o: Good morning, pass me your I-20 and passport
me: Good morning ma (document passed)
V.o: why did you choose to study in aims community college
me: i chose to study in aims community college because: my sister was an alumni of the school, the class ratio is 17:1 which is gonna give me direct access to my lecturer in terms of personal questions and practicals then the school has a low tuition fee.
V.o: whats the name of your sister that is an alumni of the aims
me: olubunmi
V.o: spell it please
me: spelled
V.o: i am sorry the name is not in record of the alumni of the school
me: uh na there i know say i don Bleep uo...she go check am
V.o: whats your job role where you work
me: meanwhile while i was filling my DS-160 form, i wrote only computer engineering on my job, then ahead to say i work as a computer engineer, i manage computer hardware and i program the micro controller that is being used at the mechatronics department.
V.o: she passed my passport back and said am sorry and some words that i couldn't hear

reapplied on 10th of December and picked 27th of December. i then i got a mail that my interview has been shifted to 5th of jan. then i went for my interview on 5th 9am as well. did the normal process a lot of people where denied, it then my turn to be interviewed. the transcript

me: Good morning
V.o: morning pass your document please
me: passed
V.o: why did you choose to study in aims
me: i chose to study in aims community college because: the class ratio is 17:1 which is gonna give me direct access to my lecturer in terms of personal questions and practicals then the school has a low tuition fee, the school has more international students from africa so i know i will fit in so well with the environment.
V.o: how did you know about aims
me: a lecturer of mine that just concluded his PHD programs in the US the was the one that recommended the school to me and when i started speaking with miss marrie gallegos and i got to realize that the curriculum fits in so well with my career objectives.
V.o: ok, whats your jobe role
Me: said it (mean while i have updated my DS-160)
V.o: he asked some computer questions
Me: i answered them
V.o: congratulations your visa is approved passed some paper ans said pick up your visa in the this address
me:thanks

i really appreciate the good people on this thread that has siad any work that i have gained from. God bless you abundantly. couldnt have enough time to prepare so i lft nigeria soonest.. now in colorado in the US.
please is there anybody in greeley colorado or any aurora or denver? or probably aims college here...please i would need to meet with you because i will need some information. gracias

So basically your interview responses were really just lies? But "to god be the glory" anyway...

MISTAICEY02288:
Lol... Now youre gettin what im sayin. ''The family'' thing. I wont say more

he married for a green card? That's fraud you know.

MISTAICEY02288:
Lol. What if i tell you i have a relative here in the US that came in as a student for masters and now has a green card and didn't get it thru any rmployer or whatever? Infact, he is already an employer here in US himself. Only say what you know. Im not sayin you're wrong buh don't say im wrong too.

There are two ways to get a green card here - employer or family route. Perhaps you dont have much information regarding your relative.

Pidgin2:
This is funny, try researching before you comment, this isn't personal, I'm just saying the truth

lol what should i research about? You're the one living in Nigeria, claiming its so great, yet spending your every waking moment on the travel section of this forum. If you did any research at all you would know why Dangote cannot simply switch passports from one nation to another. Dangote's companies are not innovative, they are simply commodity industries churning out stuff that other countries long moved on from. They only work here in Nigeria because we import everything and we have 75% unemployment. Try building a sugar factory in the US and see how profitable that is. Its always funny when ignorant Nigerians tell you to research about the country you live in.

Pidgin2:
Obviously, you are underestimating Nigerian youths, some of whom are earning very well online (genuinely)

And who did Late Madam Dora Akunyili, Mrs Ngozi Okonji uweala, Mrs Obi Ezekwsili, Mrs Aloma Mariam Mhuktar and so many other prominent women in this country sleep with before achieving what they have? Oya start naming their sexual partners

Iweala and Ezekwesili are most likely US citizens, so drop them from your list. Again, you are listing extreme one-offs in a nation of over 170 million.

MISTAICEY02288:
. I understand your point perfectly. The Canadian government gives citizenship to international students while the US doesn't Im not disputing that buh my point is that the smart international students also have their own way of gettin their green cards and also citizenship in the long run. They have a way of manouvering things tobgetvthe green card and im talkin from what i know. Like i said '' The smart ones''

No. There is no way to maneuver your way to getting a green card. There is a set process that is 100% dependent on your employer.

Pidgin2:
Which Western country will refuse to give Dangote a business permit with the amount of funds he is capable of investing? Which of course will lead to nationalization in the long run if he wants. It seems you think these Western countries are saints.

Virtually all! You seem to think those countries are like Nigeria were anything goes. Compared to the likes of Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, what does Dangote add to the US economy? What business would Dangote run in the US? A sugar mill? Cement factory or import rice? lol

elfmann:
We didn't know Soyinka had one.

I'm sure the likes of Tony Elumelu have one too (for the sake of their children at least). You can easily get a US green card using the EB5 category if you invest $500,000 in a US company. It amazes me how easily hoodwinked the likes of pidgin2 are. Raped by her politicians and forced to love a country that cares nothing for her.

Pidgin2:
I still wonder why the richest man in Africa holds no other passport but that of Nigeria despite all the drawbacks you have stated above

If he held a US passport, it would expose him to prosecution since he would be required to file US taxes every year thus exposing him to stricter scrutiny of his finances.

Its easy to hold a Nigerian passport... no one cares about the legitimacy of his money. Its like asking why James Ibori prefers a Nigerian passport over a British passport... duh!

Pidgin2:
I believe people like Dangote, Otedola, Ifeanyi Uba, Tony Elumelu, Linda Ikeji, Seun Osewa and many more folks who are not as popular as the above mentioned can all actually chose to live in 'first world' countries with the money they've got, I also believe they are all in their right senses but they have chosen to make Nigeria their home.

There are some quiet wealthy folks down here who are not politicians, people who shuttle from Canada to UK to US to Europe and back to Nigeria on business trips and even vacation. I don't know their secret yet but I pray to find out one day

There is no secret... they are simply thieves and beneficiaries of a corrupt system of government. Linda Ikeji and Seun Osewa are simply one-offs. They luckily stumbled on a means of making money via the web. For every Nairaland, how many other web forums are there that have made no money? How many accounts did Nigerians put up before and after Linda? How many of them have made a penny?

Dangote, Otedola and others would be in jail in more civilized countries. Bribing government officials to give you favorable contracts, being dashed oil blocs by military heads of state etc... Here is the secret you need, find a high ranking government official to sleep with. Afterall it worked for Mrs Alakija. This is the problem with Nigeria, you can only "make it" if you compromise your integrity.

Pidgin2:
I'm assuming your kids are below 10years old? It amazes me that you feel Nigeria will still be a gloomy chaotic place even when your children reach retirement age. This means you don't think Nigeria will ever improve, smh

Let's pray your kids won't put you in a retirement home by the time you get old as this seems to be what many Western cultures encourage. Over there it seems hardly anyone wants to be burdened with an elderly parent who they have to take care of, the worse is if you are sick or (God forbid) have dementia.

There are still some things to cherish here, especially care of the elderly but I do understand how it is going to be almost impossible to expect your kids to even want to visit here after their grandma passes (wishing her more years ahead)

huh? I know many Nigerians and Americans whose parents live with them permanently. It is not true that western cultures encourage you to put your old parents in a retirement home... this occurs because there are welfare schemes in place that allow older folks to live as independently as possible until they are no longer able to. Social security ensures they get a pay check for life as soon as they turn 65. Medicare ensures they get all the medical care they get for extremely cheap. This can include having a nurse that comes to check on them daily, or a home of their own in hospice care if needed. Why throw away these benefits just because you want your parents to live with you?

Lets be frank, in Nigeria, our parents live with us BECAUSE THEIR IS NO OTHER CHOICE! It is either that or they starve to death in a nondescript home (if they aren't already homeless). Its not because we have a culture of taking care of our parents more than others.

I've read through your previous posts and its clearer to me that your motivation isn't really that you love Nigeria, you are simply grasping for anything positive about Nigeria to make you feel better, since you cannot immigrate legally. If you had a choice, you would leave Nigeria in a heartbeat.

MISTAICEY02288:
Both you and Maternal are wrong on this. I know a couple of people that got in to the US with student visa (Masters degree) and now they are green card holders. You both may be right on your parts ooo, but I'm also saying this from what i know and have seen, and not just a hearsay..

You can't base this on just two people you know. It could be that those two people had masters degrees in niche areas where jobs are in rich supply and there are not a lot of US citizens/ PRs with those skills. Most US companies do not want foreigners because of the time and cost in filing a work visa for that individual. With Trump and Jeff Sessions, you can rest assured that there will be a massive overhaul of the job and family immigration system which will make things far more difficult. So don't assume.

For example - it is very likely that the DV lottery will soon be eliminated. Its elimination has been proposed in several house bills for the last few years and this might be the year it finally goes away. There is now a proposal to raise the minimum salary for foreign workers to $100,000... how many companies can afford to pay a foreign bachelor's degree holder that unless you come with superhuman intelligence?

OluDare01:
I will beat your record

my brother... please go ahead. The more the merrier.

jamoyakz:
bro can I Pm you sound matured in your analysis want to clarify some stuff from you

It would be best to post your question here. It may also be helpful to others as well.

berryice:
Tnx op...am really enjoying d story..i pray I ve opportunity someday to share mine too....cos America is really a place to visit or stay

I've had the chance to visit Europe. Infact i'm posting this from my hotel room in Brussels... Visiting makes me appreciate living in the US. I would never consider moving away from the US permanently - except to live in Canada (which is basically an extension of the American lifestyle to be honest).

Life is not 100% great here, but if you work hard, stay on the good side of the law and make friends... you will absolutely love living in the US. Come on down! Just do it legally.

Pidgin2:
Thank you for your insightful post but I have issues with the bolded statement. Let's take India as an example, their government doesn't allow dual nationality and we can see how the Indians act in business especially. They travel to other countries, establish businesses but a good number of then they maintain their nationality as Indians

Because of this they send money back home to establish their families, some of them don't even open bank accounts in their countries of residence instead they are paid into their Indian accounts but live on estates instead.

What this means is that their economy often benefits from this positively.

Isn't this an obvious advantage that can possibly happen if we also practice this

hmmm false. Indians in first world nations can't wait to dump their Indian passports. You need to visit trackitt.com. Thousands of Indians there moaning about not being able to get US LPR/citizenship status quickly enough. Yes the Indians in Nigeria prefer to keep their indian passports... why would they "downgrade" to a Nigerian passport?

This is the simplest argument against keeping a Nigerian passport - the fact that you have to apply for a visa to every single country! Even Gabon! Why would i want to put myself through the pain, cost and uncertainty of endless visa applications, renewals etc. with a green passport when i can simply buy a ticket and fly tomorrow with a US, British or Canadian passport? Even the most patriotic Nigerian knows which makes most sense.

Afam4eva:
Nice idea. But it should be limited to people who are running for any public office. That way, only serious candidates who truly love the country will contest.

This is the most logical point on this thread. Agreed.

Pidgin2:
Very interesting post I must say.

But I wonder if there is something i'm missing? Nigeria has been the number one economy in Africa for years and we have attracted several foreign investors to our shores so far. In particular, from 1999 to 2015 several foreign investors established companies here also our aviation industry boomed during this period and we were West Africa's aviation hub, I honestly think we were doing quite well and several economic statistics attest to this but of course, sentiments and choosing wrong leaders has affected us negatively. Like you, I'm optimistic that things can get better, your input on the way forward is highly welcome on this thread

Bad leadership (choosing presidents by quota rather than competency), tribalism, corruption...

Pidgin2:
I often get the impression that most of you out there do not want to be involved in moving this country forward, many are ready to castigate and criticize but not contribute.

Not true. But its hard to contribute to helping Nigeria when the vast majority of Nigerians don't think they have a problem. Just look at the number of crooks here seeking to go abroad to "hustle".

Pidgin2:
Another thing that makes me wonder is that many Nigerians living abroad will vow never to chose Nigeria over their adopted countries but they love hanging around other Nigerians, chatting with us online, eating our dishes etc

This makes zero sense to me. Nigerians living abroad have families and friends that are also Nigerians, hence they have a need to keep up with news about Nigeria. Nigerian dishes are not restricted to Nigerians living in Nigeria alone. As far as i'm concerned, this is a petty argument.

Here is the point... look around you in Nigeria, then ask yourself why anyone in his/her right senses would choose to live in Nigeria if they have the choice to live in a first world nation. Would you? Be honest...

iekene:
For those stressing have enough money before coming at least one year semester fees, what is the minimum amount of money in naira one should have before coming to US, say u r going to stay in CA.

The most important thing is how much money you have accessible to you, like in a bank account, through your sponsors etc. $1000 - $2000 cash on hand should be ok for a month maybe. Why choose CA though? As a new student coming here first, it may be better to start off in a state with lower cost of living. But again, this is a personal opinion.

EZEIGBO1OFIMO:
Going by this your faulty logic, what does Panama export besides tax havens and banking institution for illegal activities, what does Brunei export other than brutal autocracy and oil, what does most of Latin America like the Honduras et al export other than Meth, LSD and gang violence, what does south Sudan export other than child soldiers and gigantic refugees. Despair the black race all you want as that is your business, but your logic is faulty and fallacious, irrespective of what nefarious activities a small group of a nation does, the majority who seek just life deserve life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And FYI, we do not need to export anything to be relevant, a simple look into comparative advantage would give you a wee bit sense you deserve. Saudi Arabia has exported oil and Terrorism, tell me why you shouldn't hate the Arab race then, going by your logic of nonsense.

You've used a lot of words but basically said nothing of value. I'll leave you to continue making excuses for the sad state of your continent.

Afam4eva:
Can someone direct me to a thread about admission into American schools because it seems i'm in the wrong place.

No such thread really exists. You will have to do the hard work yourself.

First question - what course do you want to do? What level - undergrad, masters, phd? Length of time you're willing to commit? What are you looking for in terms of tuition?

You seriously cannot be this lazy when it comes to your own future.

EZEIGBO1OFIMO:
The Chinese and Indians, and even Mexicans possess higher populations, and statistically more vices, how come they don't need Fasting and prayer. smh; same way people like you constantly think Nigeria is the world's biggest scam nation, when we are not even in top 10.

I'm not sure how saying we are not as bad as the Indians is of any use at all. India and Mexico may possess more vices but they are also technologically more advanced countries. What do we export, other than oil and 419? Shame on us. Arguments like this make me despair for the black race in general. We make excuses for crime and mediocrity and offer absolutely zero to the rest of the world.

OluDare01:
TWoods
This is the first time I totally agree with you.
But our people don't wanna hear the bitter truth.

Well if they don't wish to, that's their problem.

Just a few notes for the "hustlers"... I would guarantee that 100% of folks ultimately wish to live and work permanently in the US, well keep these in mind:

1. Never go out of status! When you finally apply for LPR status, you will be interviewed and this might hurt you. If at all you go out of status, never pass 180 days in illegal status. That is an automatic 3 year ban once you leave.

2. NEVER commit a crime! I can't stress this one enough.

3. NEVER EVER EVER claim to be a US citizen to get a job. This is the only offense for which there is no waiver of inadmissibility under the law. You will never be granted a visa ever again.

4. Never take government benefits as a non-immigrant. If you do, good luck explaining that to the VO at your adjustment of status interview.

5. In grad school, 1 C is automatic probation. 2 in a semester is good night.

6. Don't drink and drive. There is a new law... your visa is revoked automatically the moment you are arrested for a DUI. Note that refusing a sobriety test is the same as pleading guilty to a DUI.

Drocks:
Believe it or not or evening say whatever. America is the last hope of millions of enslaved people. They look to is as their second fatherland and in it lies their hopes and prayers. #decode#

They are welcome. Be smart... come with a skill, education... or marry an American. As much as America is the hope for many, it is also hell on earth for the illegal.

jamoyakz:
I don't know why people keep on derailing this thread about discouraging people who want to travel about falling out of status...

Falling out of status in the US is a life of hell and it's going to get worse with Donald trump and a fully republican US government. Imagine a life where you are constantly hiding from the law, unable to obtain a drivers license, cannot rent or buy a house, cannot open a bank account, limited to odd jobs alone... that is a life worse than anything you would get in Nigeria.

jamoyakz:
I don't know why people keep on derailing this thread about discouraging people who want to travel about falling out of status... do you know how many Nigerians work at home in difficult and dehumanizing conditions? ? I know alot of people who used the escape route and are living ok in US. please let stop all these act cause the truth of the matter is that not everyone is brilliant to get funding. and the rate nigeria is going and young graduate who have till or nothing going for them in Nigeria should take their destiny into their own hands and look for a way to liberate themselves from the mirage of problems plaguing the country if it maybe crossing the Mediterranean Sea. I greet you all my comrades in the hustle

No one is discouraging you. There are two problems as I see it:

1. There are way too many people here who want to travel... but that's it. They have zero clue what it takes to survive LEGALLY where they are going. Preparation is zero, no idea of how to get to their destinations or the ramifications of the decisions they take. As far as I'm concerned, getting a visa is the easiest part of travel.

Maybe it's me but the vast majority of the interaction here is amazing with regard to the sheer ignorance and intellectual laziness displayed. I took this same journey many years ago and it took 3 years of careful planning.

First I had to figure out a major I was interested in, what schools, admissions requirements and necessary tests, cost of tuition, living expenses and how I intended to cover it without working. Next it was important to know - what was the mode of education like in the US, curriculum, how exams are structured. You'd be surprised to find many graduate schools post actual lecture videos, lecture notes and mock exams on the web. Next what did I want to do after school? Where would I likely work? Job prospects for the foreign worker (including visas I would need to apply for and how)? Average salary and it's relation to cost of living in the state I would eventually choose. All these required tons of emails, phone calls, trips to the US consulate to ask questions... it really isn't that hard folks!

2. Even if you're going to disgrace yourself abroad and be a menace here, please consider those coming behind you. Your actions directly impact them. Years ago, getting visas used to be so easy, but thanks to the frauds, the drug pushers, the illegals, the corrupt... You now need 7 days fasting and prayer.

By all means come to America... but leave the Nigerian mentality behind you.

Pidgin2:
Although I think this statement is exaggerated but this is one of the issues that will be addressed once people can no longer posses dual citizenship. Right now it is easy to commit crime and be labeled a Nigerian even when the individual is also a chinese, Malaysian, American etc citizen.

If people are no longer allowed dual nationality in this country we shall have less people soiling our image abroad

You said you will never give up your British citizenship but I guess you might not have strong ties to Nigeria if you did you might give it more thought as you will need to apply for visa each time you want to visit them, you cannot aspire for any political posts since you are not a Nigerian, you might not even be considered to moderate a Nigerian focused forum such as this because you are not a Nigerian

What I am trying to say is that the advantages of being a Nigerian citizen is dual nationality is banned will outweigh that of being a British citizen

I actually think you make 2 valid points...

1. In the case of crime... it is true. When you achieve success, you're nigerian-born British or American. When you commit a crime, you're simply Nigerian! That's unfair.

2. At last! This would be the perfect antidote to government officials who live all their lives abroad, come back home for a few years in a political capacity to rob is blind, then run back abroad once their term is over with their loot. With no dual citizenship, they are forced to make a decision... if they love Nigeria enough to serve, then they should love it enough to give up foreign citizenship and live permanently in Nigeria.

tmabs:
Thanks for the response. Appreciate even if the question
Might appear a bit skewed. Funny how others run to make judgements. Well i dont want an easy route to escape out of nigeria. If i do i could good go to the U.S now. But thats not the issue. I appreciate your efforts have done ielts previously though now expired. I would do that again based on your advice.i understand the good school bit which makes a lot of sense. So giving my scenario assuming i do the ielts what do you suggest. Prepared to go the whole. Thanks.

You are not really interested in going to school. Your gpa is way too low... on that basis, planning to not take the gre makes zero sense. If I were you, I'd even attempt the subject test just to boost your resume. American schools don't need you, you need them. You have to go the extra mile to stand out. As a graduate, you should not be relying on a faceless forum to decide your future for you