₦airaland Forum

mhmsadyq:
My brother, in their heads, they are the ones that have superior knowledge, therefore they alone can determine what is right and what's wrong.

You have left him with a deep cut in his heart, which he will nurse for a very long-time.

Your stand is the stand of a faithful. May Allah continue to strengthen you in faith and wisdom.

I look forward to reading more of your replies to the enemies of Islam.

Ameen. Jazakallahu khairan ya akhi

ManirBK:
Our democracy is now maturing.
For the first time the opposition
party is praising the decision of
the ruling federal government.

Actually majority of the foolish outburst and unhealthy criticism of the current government comes from PDP national with senseless press releases from Kola

mhmsadyq
Sometimes you wonder if they actually digest what is actually right in front of them. I asked him to bring proof of the threat to Se.un's life, he claimed it to be a common Knowledge. That India won Nigeria in a game their goalkeeper turned to lion is a common knowledge doesn't make it true.

It pains me when supposed reasonable adult men listen to market women gossip and act on them. Clearly he is pained because this section is not opened to them to insult us in the name of criticism as much as they would have wanted even though some of them still do.

I can't believe he is so obsessed with me that he had to go through my many years post to know my stand even though I spelt it out for him here already. I didn't even need to check his profile to know his type. We have faced them before and many more would come.

michlins:
Do not marry any girl less than 25yrs. That's all I know. At that age, they are yet to understand what and how their body works.

There are girls who are less than 25 and good but what's their number and what are the chances that you will meet one of them. After series of heartbreaks, that's when they will develop some level of compliance and make choices between a good guy and a Bleep boy

In other words, settle fur a lady who has bleeped a minimum of 20 guys and can now differentiate who wants the cookie instead of the less experienced in the bleeping industry?

obataokenwa:
Nothing concern us with una problem. My own is let the party have more crisis so Edo will fall to the hand of PDP like in Zamfara and Rivers State.


Just that Edo PDP no dey see opportunity here to help destroy them. Wike really dealt with Amaechi

Anyone who wishes PDP on Edo state again is an enemy of the state. It's only my home training that stops me from swearing for anyone who supports PDP in Edo state. Any body who had a hand in the underdevelopment of Edo state, may God destroy him/her. For the good of the edo people , I hope this issue is sorted out amicably by the APC.

NGpatriot:
And what is the EFCC? The EFCC represents an alien government of outer space and not the FG of Nigeria?

Hahaha. This is the height of savagery. You baaaad!!!

klufs:
Oga do your research well on non conviction forfeiture under Advanced Fee Fraud Act. Dont throw stones at everything you see when you're not informed. It diminishes other reasonable criticisms.

They just have to talk informed or not. It's sad really that this mindset makes up majority of the youths who are the "leaders of tomorrow."

litaninja:
Why do they need personnel, fanfare, cameras for that
Send an email, we hereby handover the property for so and so....
Until these simple things are done simply, nigeria is going nowhere fast.

it is needed because tomorrow somebody would ask about the forfeited properties of the mighty thief Diezani. So there nothing wrong with making it public

Empiree:
You think he is ready to reason with you , he has hypocritical mind of his own.

It's clear he isn't oooo. He wants group A to have freedom to do whatever they want to group B but opposes group B reacting whichever way they want. Thats when he remembers the word "TOLERANCE".

Feel free to stylishly run away from truth. As far as this thread is concerned, It's on the record that your views are biased against the Muslims. You had nothing to say after I severally called you out and addressed your points. Next time you feel like taking it all out on us, ask yourself questions about your sincerity before you do.

Have a nice day sir. My work is done here. I urge my Muslim brothers to ignore you henceforth rashduct4luv lanrexlan tbaba1234

whitelotus:
See this one speaking from both sides of his mouth.

If you truly have no problem with having one religion section then, you must admit 2 things.

1. That the creation of a separate islam section made nairaland muslims to look intolerant. Especially considering that the religion section is growing strong with atheists, satanist and Christian's living together there.

You seem to believe that we should worry that people of other faith don't think highly of us. So far,you haven't admitted how wrong you are in your double standard of permitting everyone to do what they like to Muslims without consequences while you vehemently oppose Muslims' reaction in however they want. So this statement of yours coming from you after you have displayed your double standard holds no weight.

2. That sending death threats to Seun by nairaland muslims to get their way was sabotage.

so far, you have been unable to provide a concrete proof that Seun's life was threatened. You only gave your interpretation of his statement which is very far from the truth from what you oosted.

If you dont believe me, you can check the first page of this thread where the owner is shown in his own words saying that the Islam section was created for the safety of non muslims.In other words, it is the muslims that will attack the Christians and atheists in real life if the sections were not separated.

How you managed to translate the bolded to mean Seun's life was threatened baffles me.
Before you demand honesty from others, ensure that you are a paragon of sincerity and honesty.

whitelotus:
Is that all?

Right from my first post, my point was clear

udatso:
Personally I have no problem with one religion section or removal of the Islamic declaration as long as offenders are sanctioned and punished severely just as before.

And I wouldn't be a stumbling block to the Christians and others should they request for their seperate individual section. I only addressed some of your points that tend to promote injustice or relate what happened in the wrong way.

whitelotus:
Your idea of fairness is one religion having a special section for itself while others share one section.

And you this while quoting an anti-religious, hyper-sexual musician Madonna. A musician known for erotic dances.

Delusional muslim

I understand that you are hurt and it explains why you would attack the messenger rather than the message. Indeed Truth hurts

whitelotus:
I can see that you dont want to be honest.

Apparently, in your whole comment, it is clear you believe that muslims have never been the aggressors.

It is always atheists and other non muslims looking for trouble.


That kind of mindset is not only biased, it is also dangerous.


Goodbye

You only see what your eyes want to see, how can life be what you want it to be, you broken when your heart is not open. Madonna


Let the readers decide that. You can't eat your cake and have it. You advocate for unfair standards and I advocate for fairness so we can live in peace.


Have a nice day sir.

whitelotus:
The first thing I would like you to know is that I'm very old on this section. 2012.

The second thing is that I believe that everyone should be treated equally.

In the beginning, there was only one religion section. Atheist, muslims and Christians all together. A lot of muslims could not handle the criticisms and one sent a death threat to the owner. That is how we got an Islam section.

If you dont believe me, you can check the first page of this thread where the owner is shown in his own words saying that the Islam section was created for the safety of non muslims.In other words, it is the muslims that will attack the Christians and atheists in real life if the sections were not separated.

That's your interpretation. Until seun confirms that he was threatened to be killed by Muslims, I take this bolded text as your interpretation. You have yours and I have mine.

Now, I am not saying that all muslims are intolerant or physically violent. There exists a number of moderate or liberal muslims who respect themselves and respect the rights of non muslims to do whatever they like. However, there are many traditional muslims who still believe in medieval islam where people can be killed for blasphemy or any criticism of the religion. This is something that Christians have left behind in the earlier centuries.

Again, the false assumption of everyone is free to do whatever he likes. No sir, actions have consequences. Your right to throw your hands in the air stops at where my face is. Until we know our limits, these things would continue to repeat themselves. Advice your non-muslim friends to not throw their hands to our face and
expect us to be calm. If wrong doings aren't meant to be published, then theres no need for justice system

You can't on one hand advocate for people to do what they like and then condemn the actions of others when they react how they like.

It sounds like injustice to me.

The question is very simple. If Christians, satanists and atheists can live together in one section and muslims cannot, does that not show that there is something wrong with islam or muslims?

Isn't the answer simple? Birds of a feather.......
Allah says in the Qur'an
(2:120)
Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) till you follow their religion. Say: “Verily, the Guidance of Allah (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Quran), then you would have against Allah neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper. - Muhsin Khan trans.

I am an atheist and I have recieved insults from both Christians and muslims. I react with the words sometimes and other times, I ignore. Your muslim brothers have called me different names on Nairaland. Some say that I am from Shaytan. Some say I am Munafiqun. Some say that I will suffer both on earth and in heaven for my beliefs. Should I then react and threaten all manner of violence and separation?

Have you tried not getting involved in the affairs of the Muslims and you were still insulted and threatend?

I go with the basic principle of Live and let's live. If I don't constitute nuisance in your affairs, I would so much respect you if you can reciprocate. The world would be a better place for you and me. Don't instigate a fight and then define terms of reaction to me. Is this too difficult to understand?

whitelotus:
Shouldn't it be debated

What's evident is the way you actually expect Muslims to behave, think and react to issues like you non-muslims. In fact as a Muslim, you should question your Islam when you begin to behave like the non Muslims.

Most Muslims are imbibed with love for Allah and His messenger right from their early years of childhood and youth. We feel deeply hurt when what we hold dear is insulted. While non Muslims might not care or even insult their religious figures and even make fun of them, we do not question them or insist on them to react the way we would do. So why are you suggesting to Muslims how to react thesame way you would react when they are insulted? This is very illogical to me.


People always blame the Muslims and accuse them of INTOLERANCE. But what really defines intolerance? Is someone expected not to voice his concern and displeasure when the love of your life is insulted or likened to the worst creature that ever existed? If you do not react to that, I honestly can't describe you as intolerant and I equally can't then use you as a case study of tolerance.

Who defines what amounts to tolerance? The person who likened Muslims or Islamic figures to unprintable names or the muslim who wouldn't take it? I guess what i am trying to say is that tolerance is reciprocal. As much as I do not see the logic behind people worshipping fire as a supreme being. It is my tolerance that wouldn't make me draw a demeaning cartoon to make mockery of them.


Seun had two choices; leave the moderator to enforce the law or take down the law and find a way to reduce to the nearest minimum the level of evil perpetrated against the Muslim. He made the second option.
If not for the Loss of data, you would have seen that many Muslims wanted the law fully implemented. But he (seun) had his business to protect and I don't blame him for that.
Funny enough, the Islamic pledge or the creation of a separate section hasn't stopped non Muslims from posting here. In fact, the bigots are even more active now that I just viewed the sub section of Islam for Muslims.


Personally I have no problem with one religion section or removal of the Islamic declaration as long as offenders are sanctioned and punished severely just as before.

HMmmmmm
I have been away for quite some time and this issue is still being debated?

codedguy1:
Oga try and understand the law before saying what you are saying.

There is no retaliation, even if there is apc presented a suitable means for an effective retaliation.

Its a joint ticket and as such it would affect the gov, that's the law it wasnt enacted just to victimize Lyon. Its the law.

The IMO case was daylight robbery.

That it looks like PDP will/should get the upper hand in both cases only reinforces the fact that politicians and APC in particular are a terrible lot.

I hear Douye's deputy also has a case of forgery against him, if it is proven in court he and Douye will be booted out.

The law is an ass.

I keep hearing that imo case was a daylight robbery and based on the reasons of the court for the judgement, I am forced to disagree with you. Kindly point out what where the sc erred

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Rashduct4luv:
This is no harsh sermon. It is simply following the protocol. You must pray before fasting. No Prayer no fasting.



The protocol is for a woman to cover all her body except face & hands before prayer. Without this all na exercise. The least the sisters could have done is to find her a Khimar to cover up and then educate her.

Fasting was prescribed for believers in Islamic monotheism not Christians. Why can't you understand?

The way these guys reason baffles me. The other time it was zakat for non Muslims and now they are trying to enjoin fasting on non Muslims.

Jason007:
so to be on the safe side it's better to use up the allocated tags for each individual. which is two.

Exactly

Jason007:
so to be on the safe side it's better to use up the allocated tags for each individual. which is two.

Or collect it even if you don't use it

JejeNaija:
You don't get it. For instance they planted drugs in your luggage without your knowledge and God being with you, you carry your luggage out of the airport without being detected. How then are the drug dealers suppose to get their drugs from you? Or are they saying they just plant drugs in passengers luggage just so that they get caught? Doesn't make any sense you know.

No you don't get it. I didn't want to go into details but I have to do that now.

Mr A is travelling and only has hand luggage which in some cases may not be tagged.
Every passenger has a tag prepared for him that is to be used in his checked in luggage.
An airport Official Mr B may collect drugs in a bag and then use any of the unused tags belonging to passenger Mr A.

The passenger will get to his destination, check into his hotel only to to be visited by Security official and arrested for drug trafficking.

The drug is discovered if the recipient of the drug of mr B couldn't successfully claim it from the airport.

There's actually such case now a girl has been arrested and she didn't check in any luggage but a tag belonging to her was found on the drugs. Saudi authorities have only agreed to release her if the Nigerian authorities present the person(s) who did it.
And I heard the ndlea arrested some FAAN officials responsible for such similar act but I don't know if it's specifically for this particular case


I hope you get it now

JejeNaija:
Okay. Though its a very good development even if an innocent soul has already paid the price. But if they plant drugs in passengers luggages how then do they retrieve the drugs if the passenger successfully passes security checks. Because I believe people would have raised alarm since if they get to their destination and l the owners of the drugs approaches them to claim their substance.

This whole thing isn't making any sense because I can only imagine a possible connection between the airport staffs and the owner of the luggage to beat security check in Nigeria.

It does. People who do not have luggage to check in haven't used their tags. The unused tags belongs to a passenger. It doesn't matter if the luggage belongs to someone else. Your tag, you are the owner

najib632:
Let us be civil please. Lemme educate you a little about the Khulafaa'u Rashidun R.A:

The mission of Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him), like that of the earlier messengers of God, was to call people to the worship of and submission to the One True God. In practice, submission to God means to obey His injunctions as given in the Holy Qur'an and as exemplified by Sunnah (the practice of the Prophet). As successor to the Prophet, the Caliph was the head of the Muslim community and his primary responsibility was to continue in the path of the Prophet. Since religion was perfected and the door of Divine revelation was closed at the death of the Prophet, the Caliph was to make all laws in accordance with the Qur'an and the Sunnah. He was a ruler over Muslims but not their sovereign since sovereignty belongs to God alone. He was to be obeyed as long as he obeyed God. He was responsible for creating and maintaining conditions under which it would be easy for Muslims to live according to Islamic principles, and to see that justice was done to all.

From this hadith:
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) advised the Muslims saying, “I admonish you to fear Allah, to listen and obey even if an Abyssinian slave is appointed as your leader. Because whosoever among you shall live after me, will see much discord. So hold fast to my Sunnah and the examples of the Rightly- Guided Caliphs who will come after me. Adhere to them and hold to it fast” (Abu Dawud & Tirmidhi).

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said, “Abu Bakr will go to Paradise, Umar will go to Paradise, Uthman will go to Paradise, Ali will go to Paradise” (Abu Dawud).

The scholars of the Orthodox creed or Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah have agreed that the Righteous guided Khulafah are Abubakar R.A, Umar R.A, Uthman R.A. and Ali R.A. And why do they agree that they're the rightly guided khulafa? Because they were not only leaders but righteous slaves of Allah who lived simple lives. Almost all the others that came after them behaved like emporers and kings. This was prophesied by the Prophet (pbuh) himself when he said, “The caliphate of Prophecy will last thirty years; then Allah will give the Kingdom to whom He wishes” (Abu Dawud). This calculates perfectly among the four caliphs: Abu Bakr – 2 years; Umar – 10 years; Uthman – 12 years; and Ali – 5 years and 9 months. Ali’s son Hasan was caliph for about 6 months after him before giving it up to Mu’awiyah for the sake of unity and peace, thereby, completing 30 years.

After that:
Defending Umar R.A. from your accusations:
The messenger of Allah S.A.W said this about Umar R.A:
Prophet (pbuh) once said, “If there were to be a Prophet after me, it would have been Umar bin Al-Khattab” (Tirmidhi)

In another hadith, it is reported that the Prophet (pbuh) said, “There had been among the people before you inspired persons and if there were any such among my nation, Umar b. Khattab would be one of them” (Muslim).

He was also a very devout Muslim, hence, he “insisted that his appointed governors live simple lives, keep no guard at their doors and be accessible to the people at all times, and he himself set the example for them”.

During his reign Allah blessed the Muslims with us victory over our enemies the two super powers as at that time the Persian and Byzantine empires. With the fall of the Persians and Weakening of Byzantines the area of governance for the Muslims grew and hence a larger amount of wealth is needed to finance the affairs of the Islamic state. The people of Persia and Byzantine started embracing Islam at a very fast rate because of the Justice they enjoyed from the Muslims, an example is the Christian man who travelled all the way from Egypt to report injustice to Umar R.A. in Medina and How the Christians built Catapults for the Muslims when fighting against the Byzantines and many others. This rapid growth had caused Umar R.A. to be economical about giving out Zakat to the non Muslims when the population of the Muslims were much more than theirs. Although the non Muslims enjoyed sadaqa and Justice from the Muslims. To such an extent that the Jews and Christians used the Shari'ah Law more even though they had their own courts. So do not blame Umar R.A. for preferring Muslims over non Muslims, doing the opposite will be against the book of Allah and the Sunnah of Muhammad S.A.W which will make him a munafiq. Have you ever in authentic history heard that Umar R.A was accused of corruption and injustice? Did the Muslims rebel after questioning him? By Allah Umar al-Farooq R.A. did the right thing, a man of truth and justice.

Assalamu alaykum ya akh. I find your reply very disturbing. Without knowing, you have just told everyone here that even though rasul was the last Messenger of Allah, the khulafa are authorized to change the teachings of the rasul (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam)
In summary, you are saying the khulafau rashidun were so pious that they could make laws (shariah) or even ammend what rasul gave to the ummah?
If that's the case you are contradicting alot without even realising it.
I would like to see the hadith that supports this
The messenger of Allah S.A.W and Abubakar R.A used to give both to the Muslims and non Muslims. But Umar R.A. stopped giving the non Muslims during his time because the population of Muslims were far more than that of the non Muslims during his time and hence more poor people from the Muslims and also wealth is required for a stable governance of a large population.
I believe there has to be be a better explanation than what you have given here. Allah knows best

wis3:
See? This right here is why the world is the way it is today. Why we are always having disagreements with each other. Arguing over something as trivial as giving help to the needy like our lives depend on it. It changes nothing when you give out zaakat that's intended for a Muslim to a Christian. On the brighter side you just might be drawing them closer to Islam.

Your reply suggests Islam warns against helping the needy of the non muslims and that's not true if that's your intent. I gave reasons why we are not thesame in the sight of Allah. If you can't understand that, I don't know what else to say to you. As posted above by many brothers, zakat is fundamentally for the Muslims. It's important to establish that fact.
By the way are you a Muslim?

rowrowland:
Strength could mean Jihad if it's an Islamic country. Strength for any average Muslim community(e.g Naija Muslims) could be Voting strength, Economic strength, Intellectual and more . Allah knows best

Jazakallahu khairan

limeta:
they are (or at most) all thieves.

Thanks

Lukgaf:
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

What the Muslims should do is to have as many children as they can, because this is the command issued by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when he said, “Marry the one who is loving and fertile, for I will be proud of your great numbers.” Because increasing the number of children increases the size of the ummah, and being of great numbers is a source of pride, as Allaah said, reminding the Children of Israel of that (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in man-power” [al-Israa’ 17:6]

And Shu’ayb said to his people:

“ ‘And remember when you were but few, and He multiplied you’”

[al-A’raaf 7:86 – interpretation of the meaning]

No one would deny that if the ummah is great in number this will lend it pride and strength. This is contrary to what is imagined by those who think evil thoughts, that the large numbers of the ummah is the cause of its poverty and hunger. If the ummah increases in number and relies on Allaah, and believes in His promise, in the aayah “And no moving (living) creature is there on earth but its provision is due from Allaah” [Hood 11:6 – interpretation of the meaning], then Allaah will make things easy for them and will grant them sufficient means from His Bounty.

On this basis, the answer to the question is as follows:

A woman should not use birth control pills unless the following two conditions are met:

(1)She should have a reason for that such as being sick and unable to bear a pregnancy every year, or being physically weak, or having other reasons why getting pregnant every year would be harmful for her.

(2) Her husband should give his permission, because the husband has the right to have children. This must also be done in consultation with a doctor, to find out whether taking these pills will be harmful to her or not.

If these two conditions are met, then it is OK for her to use these pills, but that should not be on a permanent basis, i.e., she should not use the type of birth control pills that prevent pregnancy permanently, because this is preventing progeny.

(Fataawa al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah, 2/657, 658)

Concerning the harms caused by contraception, the Shaykh (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

Birth control pills: I have heard from a number of sources that doctors say they are harmful. Even if we do not know this from the doctors, we know it from ourselves, because preventing something natural that Allaah has created and decreed for the daughters of Adam is undoubtedly harmful. Allaah is Wise, and He has only created this blood which flows at certain times for a reason. If we prevent it with these medicines, that is harmful without a doubt.

But I have heard that the matter is worse than we imagine, that they may be a means of damaging the womb, and a means of causing nervous disorders. This is something we must beware of.

(Liqaa’ al-Baab al-Maftooh, question no. 1147)

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:

What is the ruling on removing the uterus in order to avoid having children for medical reasons which are either present, or may occur in the future and have been predicted by medical and scientific means?

He answered: if that is necessary, then it is OK, otherwise it should not be done, because the Lawgiver urges us to have children and promotes that in order to increase the size of the ummah. But if there is a necessary reason then it is OK, just as it is permissible to use means of contraception for a limited time for a legitimate shar’i reason. (9/434)

What is said concerning the birth control pill may also be said concerning the coil. It has been definitely proven by the doctors that this contraceptive method causes harm, especially when it is used continually. It is known that the woman who has a coil inserted has an increased flow of menstrual blood, and her period may come twice a month, which causes an iron deficiency in her body. Iron is one of the important minerals which the body needs. Some women may become anaemic when they use the coil and it makes their periods longer, resulting in the woman losing a large amount of blood and thus a large amount of the iron stored in the body. It has also been proven that many women suffer infections of the uterus as a result of using the coil. Despite all this, a woman may become pregnant with the coil in place, as has happened to a number of women. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound.

And Allaah knows best.

As extracted from IslamQA.

In conclusion, we are aware some non-Muslim will come here to abuse, curse and talk ill about Islam without prior knowledge of what Islam means. You are kindly advised to be objective while reading. In essence, while reading, do not forget to remove any hatred lenses you are wearing about Islam. This will enable you see the truth.

May Allah guide us all.

Wasalam Alaykum Waramotulah wabarakatuh

Assalamu alaykum. I have a question ya akh.
When we say Allah will provide, I believe we mean that we have a plan and we are working towards it while praying and hoping Allah provides. It's similar to not doing something that will harm us and then pray to Allah to protect us. You can't stab yourself and then say Allah will protect me. I find it foolish.
Someone is on a pay of 30k monthly and with his business, he is able to take care of his wife and five kids conveniently and decided not to have more kids for now by means of temporary family planning. Without any more source of income or plan to find other means to provide for his family, is your article suggesting that this man is wrong and should just keep having babies as long as the wife is up for it?
Rashduct4luv your attention is needed here please Sir.

Secondly in your explanation of one of the verses you said
No one would deny that if the ummah is great in number this will lend it pride and strength.

I understand the point of pride. But as for strength, does this strength refer to power when fighting non muslims in jihad?

wis3:
you're giving preference to a particular set of people because of their faith. It just negates everything.

Certain things are reserved for Muslims and as a Muslim you shouldn't be surprised. As much as we try to create a sense of equality, we are not. Allah recognises the need to be kind to them and that's why Charity may be given to them. Zakaat is one of the pillars of Islam same as salat and all other pillars are for Muslims and not for non Muslims so it amazes me why the benefits of one of the pillars should go to non Muslims. Except where necessary, Zakaat should be for the Muslims