AlBaqir: # It is very unfortunate you also wish to join derailers. This thread is opened to discuss tatbir and I am convinced those who accused "shia" of sanctioning this forbidden act only do out of ignorance and sectarianism. Anyway I like to wake your consciousness on the above videos.
# Hateful speeches, hatred, killings etc between both schools is evident.
Here's one example out of many from the Wahabi state:
Saudi TV Host Abdulellah Al-Dosari Celebrates Death of Iranian Pilgrims in Hajj Stampede in Mecca.
# In the above bio, there is also a write up on his criticism by various Shi'i mar'ja.
# If you think Yasir Habib only accuses Sunnism (calling them the Bakris) and its respected icons, then watch this video - his takfirism of Shi'i ulama (the Batris, according to him):
# Mind you, Yasir Habib following the dictates of Shirazi cult family allows tatbir. This the reason you see that only late Ayatullah Sadiq Shirazi allowed this disgraceful act of tatbir. See the attached picture. Note: Shia do not follow dead scholar.
# Using this silly thing (Yasir Habib) as hujjah against Shia is like using ISIS etc as hujjah against Ahlu sunnah.
I am sorry for derailing your thread. It wasn't intentional. The videos were just shocking. And to ensure that I don't derail the thread anymore, I wont speak anymore of them. That said, what do you have to say about sino's posts.
You shias often tell us how much you love us sunnis, that we are your brothers, Shiism is peaceful, only the wahhabis are the problem etc But we know that lurking in your hearts is the most inveterate hatred for us sunnis
MrPRevailer: It's not the first commandment of God, but the basis/foundation of Salvation from Sin. If one is condemned a sinner, how can his keeping the commandment be justified?
John 8:42 "If God were your Father you would love me, for i proceeded forth and came out from God".
John 16:28 "The Father loves you because you have believed i came out from God. I proceeded forth and came out from God, neither came i of myself but he sent me".
John 3:3 "Except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God".
Pidggin: What is there to argue about? Aisha has exposed her husband's incompetence, nothing more to add there. Buhari on the other hand has shown himself to be an unrepentant sexist and a tactless one at that
If this was a civilized country, he will definitely be impeached after making such an unsavory comment. We are simply waiting to see how this will end, enjoy
I am wondering what kind of wife are you or the kind you would become.
PassingShot: We’ve all been inundated by the interview granted BBC by the president’s wife which revealed personal and political happenings within the household of the Buharis. In response to the interview, we’ve also heard the president remark that his wife belongs in his kitchen and other rooms in his house. Without mincing words, I make bold to say that the president’s wife has lost much of the respect she used to command by her act and has made a bad situation far worse. On the other hand, the revelation has made my love for the president to increase.
Prior to the election of March 2015, GMB, as he was known then, made unambiguous statement on several occasions that “there won’t be an Office of the First Lady” if he became president. Majority of Nigerians applauded the statement on the strength of what past First Ladies had caused the country. We know of First Ladies who practically ordered appointed ministers around. We saw a First Lady embarrass a sitting governor. We saw many First Ladies having their own multitude of staff. The past First Ladies used to have budget drawn out for their office even though the Constitution of Nigeria has no recognition for such. These are only a few of many anomalies that were done in the name of Office of the First Lady. So, when PMB made the statement then, he clearly wanted to depart from that culture of impunity and Nigerians loved him for it.
In the said interview, Aisha clearly expressed frustrations at not having undue influence on the man appointed by Nigerians to do a job. She obviously is not having enough say on how ministers, DGs and other top government officials are appointed and this has disappointment her a great deal. Just like the Lagos Assembly shamelessly revealed their frustration about PMB not consulting with Tinubu on appointments, Aisha thought it right to express similar frustration but in the worst possible manner.
Let's Examine Key Statements of Her Interview: 1. "The president does not know 45 out of 50, for example, of the people he appointed and I don't know them either, despite being his wife of 27 years."
This clearly shows Aisha’s disposition to have undue influence on appointments. If not, why does the president need to know those who work for him or the country? What is important is those people’s qualifications and ability to do the job. Why should the appointees be known to Aisha on the strength of being the president’s wife of 27 years? This statement by the president’s wife reveals a lot about why/how the past First Ladies and their husbands appointed incompetent political jobbers to positions.
2. "Some people are sitting down in their homes folding their arms only for them to be called to come and head an agency or a ministerial position."
If anything, this is a positive on the part of the president. This simply means “no one needs to lobby for an appointment under Buhari once they’re qualified to do the job”. Won’t any reasonable being love the man?
3. "He is yet to tell me but I have decided as his wife, that if things continue like this up to 2019, I will not go out and campaign again and ask any woman to vote like I did before. I will never do it again."
This is about the most ridiculous of all her statements! It smells arrogance and pompousness. Who makes who? Who is known in the political arena? It is because of Muhammadu Buhari that we got to know Aisha Buhari. It is Muhammadu Buhari that’s the politician and not Aisha Buhari. Buhari won the last election not because his Aisha was on the campaign train even though she might have swayed a few voters. In fact, report had it that PMB was reluctant to allow Aisha join the campaign train but for Tinubu’s intervention. So, it is overestimation of her contribution to her husband’s success at the polls to make this statement because she has no political structure or clout to wield such influence.
As I said earlier, PMB by this development has earned further respect from me and many like me. He has proved over and over that he cannot be dictated to whether you are a Tinubu, Obasanjo or even the person who many would have thought could be used to get him – Aisha his wife and mother of four of his children. PMB has once again proved to be a man of principle and high moral standards! This is the kind of leader Nigeria needs to get out of the mess bestowed on us by undue interference from those close to past presidents.
PMB’s “Aisha Belongs to My Kitchen” Comment As unnecessary as the response from the president might seem, one has to put himself in a position of a man, the president of the most populous black nation on earth, whose wife has become rebellious and a political foe (frenemy sort of) ready to crash the castle built over many years. I must even commend him for finding the strength to beam with laughter when answering question on his wife’s interview. The president’s comment at that time couldn’t have been better worded to a wife who behaved with arrogance and insubordination. To make it clear to the bigots and hypocrites, a wife’s primary place is in the kitchen and her husband’s home. Any and every other duty is secondary to that.
Yes, our wives are educated, work and participate in governance and Aisha Buhari’s case is no different as she’s known to have been educated by the same man she’s trying hard to destroy now. We all know Aisha had a beauty salon/spa and a few other businesses before PMB became president. PMB has appointed a few women into high position in his administration. We also know that his daughters are educated. Clearly, all these are a proof that the president is not someone who does not believe in women’s ability to be equal to that of men in every aspect of life. However, if a woman thinks she has a right to have undue and unwanted influence in a man’s job/life, there is nothing wrong in putting such women where they primarily belong - the kitchen and other rooms.
What Aisha did is capable of ruining her marriage and she will be the ultimate loser at the end of it. If that happens, all those urging her on will not be there to console her or offer any help. I could have asked her to ask PMB’s first wife (Safinatu of blessed memory) if she regretted accepting money from IBB who was holding her husband in a cell. Surely, she must have regretted her action one way or the other.
Civil contribution is appreciated
You have spoken well. If she were to be my wife, she is going back home for a while
Truth234: To be honest, there are no valid points here except the number 2. When Obama administration appointed Hillary Clinton as a Secretary of State, it wasn't because she was the only qualified candidate for the job, but because of the mutual understanding Obama and Hillary share in terms of ideology to move the nation forward. I put this to you, if these set of people are passionate about Nigerian situation, how come they don't have common voters card? Hence, there is need to know your ministers reasonable enough, not just based on recommendation of some powerful inner cabal.
Well in my opinion, passingshot Points are all valid. In respond to your first point, you can't always know all and you can't prove that he doesn't know some of them reasonable enough
Again, she is not arrogant, she seems to be an honest person that is ready to call a spade a spade. If you are supporting Buhari anti-corruption stand, I see no reason you shouldn't respect this amazing woman for risking everything to safeguard the nation from certain set of people.
She might be a honest person, who knows but what we do know is that she wants to have a say in buhari's political appointment. I don't know about you but she sounds to me like she wants to be God mother. I don't know how that is a honest character.
Lastly, if a western president referred to his wife like our president did while sitting beside Angela Merkel. Media will call for his head. But as this is Nigeria, where sentiment is above sense of reasoning. It is normal to relegate our beautiful queens to the kitchen, after all what does a woman know.
The first duty of a wife is to her husband and not to her country. I just Can't see how you can describe a wife who publicly criticises her husband as a queen. In my opinion, your moniker is wrongly used cos you might have many outstanding qualities but none of them is "truth" based on your post
Sometimes it's best to Just read and keep quiet than say Or do something disgraceful. That said, eyehategod it is true there is indoctrination in almost all religions (if not all). We might disagree in the process but it's present. However, adults at the end of the day make their decisions. Many atheists here were once Christians same way some Christians here are ex-Muslims or Muslims once ex-Christians. Indoctrination or not people (adults) will always make their choicE.
News like this always have the second side of the story. I am waiting to hear that before I wrongly make a comment unlike my Christian friends who don't really care. And by the way, where is the SAUCE
sonofluc1fer: King of Kings? Who? That dead Jew? He is not my King o. I cant worship a God killed by three nails. That's not good on a Supreme Being's CV.
Name: YAHWEH
Post applying for: GOD
NEXT OF KIN: Self/Jesus
REF: Holy Spirit/Self
Mother's Maiden name: MARY
Why should humans worship you: I died for their sins. Killed myself to forgive their transgressions.
Objective: Show humans how loving I am. If they dont accept, Ill lovingly respect their choice and let them burn for eternity in My Special Unbelievers Paradise.
Sheenor: THE SALVATION TO ALL MANKIND THROUGH JESUS ALONE. Jesus is the Grace and Mercy of God to all. He became our atonement for sins, our redeemer, our salvation from the bondage of Satan who initiated bad works in our hearts.
Salvation in Islam also do not defend on GOOD WORKS. SO YOU, AS LONG AS YOU ARE GOD'S CREATIONS YOU NEED SALVATION THROUGH JESUS THE GRACE AND MERCY OF GOD THE FATHER TO ALL HIS CREATIONS.
Abu Huraira reported Muhammad says..."NO ONE OF YOU WILL ENTER PARADISE THROUGH HIS GOOD WORKS". . They said "NOT EVEN YOU OH APOSTLE OF ALLAH?" "NOT EVEN I". Muhammad replied. "UNLESS ALLAH COVER ME WITH HIS GRACE AND MERCY".
MUSLIM NEED TO KNOW ONLY ONE WAY TO BE SAVED THROUGH JESUS ALONE. GRACE AND MERCY IN GOD'S LOVING HAND.
The hadith is true but you misrepresenting the fact. Did the hadith say that Jesus is the Grace and Mercy? You will have to also prove from authentic islamic sources how Jesus (pbuh) is the grace and mercy
udatso: Evangelism by lies. Stupid video. An imam who had to read the whole Quran before he can answer "who was Jesus " was no imam. I doubt if he was a Muslim at all. Even a little 4 to 5 years Muslim kid In islamiyya knoS who isa (pbuh) is. I have seen this video befor and there areany refutations to his outrageous claim. The moment I saw the title of this topic, I knew it had to be about Mario Joseph. And I am not surprised, Christians here celebrating falsehood.
johnaruson: @ udatso, teachers answer serious questions by going for research first, issue of Jesus is a serious one,even for pastors, because Jesus himself is serious when he said you will go to hell if you don't believe in him.
Come on, be realistic. Which teacher goes for research to answer an elementary question say 1+2? My point is the identity of Jesus in Islam is a common knowledge known by all Muslims. Ask any little muslim kid who Jesus was and he will tell you he was One of the messengers of Allah. At 9, I didn't only know all the prophets and messengers in Islam, I knew majority of their stories. I understand in Christianity, everything is a serious one, nothing is straight forward just like 1+1+1=1. But in Islam, it's plain enough for a kid to grab
WORDWORLD: YE! YE! YE! ABEG NO REPORT ME O. NA NAIRA LAND D GIVE ME FOOD CHOP. IF YOU REPORT ME . I GO CURSE YOU JUST AS JESUS CURSED THE INNOCENT FIG TREE ALL BBECAUSE HE WAS TOO HUNGRY. A HUNGRY GOD AND A WICKED ONE!!!
WORDWORLD: TRUTH IS LIKE GOLDEN HEN KO GOLDEN TOLOTOLO NI. TELL US WHICH ONE IS JESUS. IS HE GOD HIMESELF OR SON OF HIMSELF.
UNLESS I CAN MAKE SENSE FROM YOUR ANSWER THEN I CAN BEGIN TO REFUTE YOUR ALREADY REFUTED VOMIT.
OTHERWISE YOU REMAIN SOMEONE WHO NEEDS TO GO TO A BOOBY HATCH' Meaning MENTAL HOSPITAL.
SO, IS JESUS GOD HIMSELF OR SON OF HIMSELF?
Oboy you just gave someone a herculean Impossible task to accomplish. You need the Holy Spirit to understand the answer oooo. Are you filled with Holy Spirit
WORDWORLD: My brother DONT ever take them seriously. Is it people who go CLUBBING every Sundays you want to take Seriously?
At least we all know or should know who Micheal Jackson's guitarist is. Who was Jesus Christ guitarist ? HIM NO GET BAND NE? Abi dem so sabi that time.
MY BROTHER, THERE ARE A VERY FEW CHRISTIANS WHO ON NL ARE SINCERE TO KNOWING WHAT ISLAM IS ALL ABOUT. THE DONT WANT TO END UP ON THE OTHER DEAD END ATHEIST. IT IS THEM YOU SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TOO. NOT THIS CHILDERN OF ABU-LAHAB. I AM VERY SURE THESE SAME PEOPLE WOULD BE THE PHARASIES TORMENTING JESUS CHRIST IN HIS DAYS.
Abeg they are all FUNNY PEOPLE. DONT EVER TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY.
AM WRITING A BOOK OF WHICH THE INSPIRATION CAME FROM A QUEST BY A CHRISTIAN SINCERELY SEEKING FOR ANSWERS. WHEN AM TRU........I WILL SHARE FOR ALL TO READ. BEFORE IT GOES FOR PUBLISHING AND IN SHA ALLAH DISTRIBUTED WORLD WIDE. BY ALLAH'S GRACE ITS A MAGNIFICIENT BOOK. DEALS WITH CHRISTIANITY AND ATHEISM. WHY WONT CHRISTAINTY BE THE ONCE GIVEN BIRTH TO ATHEISM. A GOOD TREE DOESNOT GIVE BIRTH TO A BAD FRUIT. BY THEIR FRUIT WE SHALL KNOW THEM.
IF CHRISTIANS ARE ALWAYS FIGHTING ATHEIST WHO WERE ACTUALLY MOSTLY CHRISTIANS, THE FRUIT OF CHRISTIANITY. THEN SOMETHING IS DEFINATELY WRONG WITH CHRISTIANITY. ITS UNDISPUTABLE THAT IT IS BUILT ON GARGANTUAN LIES WHICH THEY HAVE BECOME SO USE TO THAT THEY ARE NO EVEN ASHAMED.
I always enjoy reading your posts. Can't wait for the book. Let me know when it's out brother
Evangelism by lies. Stupid video. An imam who had to read the whole Quran before he can answer "who was Jesus " was no imam. I doubt if he was a Muslim at all. Even a little 4 to 5 years Muslim kid In islamiyya knoS who isa (pbuh) is. I have seen this video befor and there areany refutations to his outrageous claim. The moment I saw the title of this topic, I knew it had to be about Mario Joseph. And I am not surprised, Christians here celebrating falsehood.
WORDWORLD: YOU MEAN THE ARROGANT SHAMELESS LIAR? HMM!!! THAT ONE'S HEART IS MOST LIKELY SEALED DOOMED FOR PERDITION. I DONT SEE ANY HOPE FOR THAT GIRL ANYMORE. HONESTLY. AND AM BEING VERY SERIOUS.
udatso: To answer your question yes. InshaAllah I look forward to all the pleasures of paradise as stated in the Quran and authentic hadith. I have a question for you. What is an ideal paradise to you? I mean how should life in paradise look like.
Stevebamdex You can't run away from your own thread. Answer the question you have been asked.
Farmerforlife: There is only one God. The One God of the Hebrews is the same as that of the Muslims... ask any Jew. They have however, erred in making Him their personal Deity, and becoming overconfident of His Vast Mercy and Forgiveness. For this reason, they have engaged in antropomorphism, making God to have the emotions and characteristics of man, 'shouting as a drunkard', ' wrestling with his servants (and losing), feeling jealous (of whom? He is God), working and resting etc. We know that this is the same God, but they have gone too far in these descriptions. The Christian God on the other hand, has more in common with Mithras, Orisis, Bacchus and other triumvirate gods conceived and celebrated by the early pagans in Rome, from whence Christianity finds its roots. Even the religious festivals celebrated in honour of these 'gods' has been taken over by Christianity, so we find no affinity there, nor do those who worship Yahweh. Till today, no self-respecting Jew will accept Jesus (ﷺ) as being a third of Yahweh. It is totally absurd in their opinion. Ask any of them. They have had nothing but contempt for the Christian doctrine for centuries.
I advise that you read some books on Christianity by Dr Bart Ehrmann (a qualified biblical expert and doctor of divinity).
Jazakallahu khairan for your patience in explaining to them. But I strongly advise you ignore the anas guy. He doesn't really care about your replies. He just wants the opportunity to engage a Muslim and throw insults around.
Farmerforlife: I just love the simplicity, strength and character of the Khalifah Umar ibn alKhattab (ra). I just can't get enough of his stories. May Allah be pleased with him and join him (and us) with the prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) in paradise.
Adegoketheking: but the one you have was imposed on you? or am I wrong? did you grow up and weigh every religion and choose Islam? no I believe. so what are you saying.
Islam › Re: Tatbir (flagellation) - A Disturbing Innovation by udatso: 10:21am On Oct 16, 2016
