omonnakoda:
Ikwerre identify Igbos as Isu oma meaning good slave

They owned and sold Igbos as slaves for centuries so they cannot identify as Igbo
They see Igbos as slaves but are just being polite and politically correct in not saying so
When slave trade ended the population of Igbos exploded leading to what we have today but previously
Ikwerre and Ijaws used Igboland as a human poultry from where they harvested slaves

They did not sell Igbo people as they themselves are also Igbo, they sold some groups in Igboland just as some Yorubas sold some other groups. The word Isuoma is igbo

ariesbull:
someone that comes from a village called IgboEtche is more igbo than the one from Nsuka

Igboid I am not passive as it relates to this things, If it is not Edo, I am not so pumped about it, I just wanted to lend my voice to it, so you won't think I am indirectly supporting my brothers. I saw your mention in those threads

My brother those guys are confused, you see a man with the stout feature, wide head and some of them will still tell you they are not Igbo.

RedboneSmith:


Lol. Calm down, sir. Not that deep.

it is, I was there in 2011, I was there for seven months, I am talking from a place of personal experience, Igbo etche, eleme, trans-amadi, rumaisi, rumuokoro, Okrikaetc I know these places like the back of my palm, I interacted with these guys, I have seen them personally. Their Igbo features are deeper than those guys from the east, these guys are more Igbotic than those guys from the east.

fortunatagraham:
From 2010-2016. Ride on. I'm ikwerre but whether they say I'm Igbo or not, it doesn't change who I am. My language sounds a lot like Igbo, my name is an Igbo name so, there is a relationship, no doubt.

It is not what people tell you, it is what you tell people, you guys projected fear and confusion first, then others bought into it. Na person wan tell you who you be? Very nauseating comment. You should be self aware and confident about it. Can you convince an Ijebu or Owo man that he is not yoruba?(Oyo) You will only try in vain. Even if the Owo man, his ancestors just migrated there from Benin three generations ago to Owo and he is aware, he will still find a link to Ife. What about the Ijebu sudanese ancestry story, did it scale through in giving Ijebu a distinct identity? It did not, even when men from your stock tried creating a distinction, men from that tribe kept saying I am Ijebu, I am yoruba.

If every Ikwerre person here tells everyone they come across they are Igbo, this thread will not be here. Many of the other non-Igbo group, are aware of your Identity, especially the learned ones, they are just trying to create confusion. It is about self denial for them, they wonder in awe how the Igbo can be so large

If they are given an order to murder every Igbo person in Nigeria, these guys will not spare you or a julius Agwu

Any Ikwerre person that does not identify as Igbo has a low IQ or is not well read

omonnakoda:
They are NOT Igbo

They are

LILTJAY:
i nor even understand this guy self.. Oga I stay Benin from 2004 till 2017, and I still they go there time to time because I get family members for there wet son settle build house and business for the state, I be even get land for tipper garage(ikpoba hill) and Sapele rd before I sell them move.
I know Benin finish my guy..
benins they most travel go Italy though illegally, na Italy be the number one destination followed by other European countries like Germany, Greece, France, Belgium, etc..
na few of them dey go USA, UK, etc.. and na the ones wey get money

This is Ero family diaspora reunion, over 200 persons, just one family over the thousands of single homogeneous families in Benin. Make una dae talk wetin una know, Benin population in diaspora cannot be less than 1.2 million. I just pray maybe there is something like some database where every Benin worldwide can register their presence, then you will really know how much travel we've done


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykizhy5LEfU

Naphtali44:


Not surprised.....hiding true history by flatteries.
Binis have nothing to do with oghene, the true God, you worship olokun.

The etymology of oghene goes thus...
Oghene is actually a combination of two words.....oga and ene
O(ga)-meaning strength or power(lord)
Ene-meaning four, for the four realms of existence (otor-earth, ame-water, erivwin-underworld, ojuvwu-heaven)
Our God has power/strength(oga) over the four(ene) hence "Oghene"

Benin is not what you box to a corner, everything you said here makes sense to me. Edo or Benin is actually the root of many cultures you have in your tribe. There is nothing in Urhobo culture and tradition, that is strange to me as an Edo man

You can check my previous thread, I have interpreted these things before, and those things means exact the same thing in Benin. I have suggested too that that must have been the etymology of the word Oghene. Are you aware in Benin until recently, we call God Oghene-Osa, as Edoids group, Etsako still use Oghena to this day.

We are brothers, my brother you cannot wish it away.

Olokun, Ogun, etc and others are just channels through which we can reach the true God

LILTJAY:
bye bye I not fit argue again

Italy just became more popular, na bad thing dae cast pass. It is just like a bad name that stuck

LILTJAY:
i never said they are not in US and UK. what I am saying is that the population is small compared to Italy were the majority of bini diaspora live

That's not true, Italy would only be fairly larger than some of those countries now, Italy just became more popular, na bad thing dae cast pass

LILTJAY:
i nor even understand this guy self.. Oga I stay Benin from 2004 till 2017, and I still they go there time to time because I get family members for there wet son settle build house and business for the state, I be even get land for tipper garage(ikpoba hill) and Sapele rd before I sell them move.
I know Benin finish my guy..
benins they most travel go Italy though illegally, na Italy be the number one destination followed by other European countries like Germany, Greece, France, Belgium, etc..
na few of them dey go USA, UK, etc.. and na the ones wey get money

Na the commoners you dae mingle with, na I dae ask you, you expect someone from the Oba's family, that is now so large now to go to Italy, abi you did not see the link I posted earlier where the Iyase said his Igbe family alone is over 20 in London let alone the entire Uk. Is it to go to that will be hard for families such as Adun, Akpata, Oloton, Osula, Oba's family, Obaseki and so on , or are you one of those that argue aimlessly or you did not understand my point initially. Or you want me to reel out the achievement of the Obaseki family for you to know that Us is a small ride for them or are you a small child

Na the same thing we dae talk, the ones wey get money still many, just that you nor get access to them. Should be up to maybe 35-40 percent of the population. Watch this video, where pedro said his Obaseki family is about a hundred thousand members. Time stamp 16:27-16:40. Pedro is the former md of DAAR communications,a phd holder, a former lecturer, the convener of midwest movement. So pedro is not a push aside. These guys dem get money and According to pedro, they are about a hundred thousand members. They cannot be less than 500 in the Us




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_hteK2T0DM

LILTJAY:
shutup. the only place binis travel to in large numbers is Italy.. and there population there is less than 100k..
i know Benin like the back of my hand..
stop comparing your minute tribe to a major ethnic group. you should be arguing with your fellow minorities in the Niger delta

my brother you should be polite, you nor know anything for Bini, there are two factions, the elite class and the commoners. The Elite class are a huge chunk too. You expect them to travel to Italy? I am talking about the Osulas, Obaseki's, Iyamu, Efionayi, Igbinedion, and so on. The numbers of Obaseki's in Us cannot be less than 500. And also my brother you nor know anything, many Binis tend to relocate from Italy when they've found their footing. Lastly very few Bini persons go to Italy by air, the stats are there my brother. Watch this video, where pedro said his Obaseki family is about a hundred thousand members. Time stamp 16:27-16:40. Pedro is the former md of DAAR communications,a phd holder, a former lecturer, the convener of midwest movement. So pedro is not a push aside


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_hteK2T0DM

scholes0:


Edo is not number 2.
The actual number 2 is an almost exclusively Yoruba state.

I said if we take lagos out.

It is an almost exclusively yoruba state with a huge city that is home to many immigrants now, especially the Igbos

scholes0:
UGBE634, the Benin are very well travelled quite alright, I am not arguing that ... But you said most TRAVELLED in your first remark which I quoted.... and then buttressed it with passport office data where Edo is not even number 1.
Maybe if you had nuanced it a little further the air would have been clearer..... Maybe most travelled per capita or something like that.

We might take lagos out, Edo would be number 2, I have brought to your understanding that 60% and Even more of the passport collected might have been from the Binis, that is something when compared In ratio to the yorubas

scholes0:


I know every state have passport offices, but If I am an Ondo or Delta man living in Benin, I would rather collect my passport right there than having to travel to my state of origin to do the same thing, which is the point of the argument. Majority of the Yorubas in Benin might be Blue collar workers, but so are the majority of people from everywhere else... including igbos, Hausas, Urhobos, name it..., I don't thin there is any Nigerian ethnic community whose local "hustling" community is made up of office working professional experts.
... I think we are dwelling more on the fringe of the argument than the actual substance.... which is that the demographic make up of those utilizing the passport offices in Ibadan and benin can not be compared like that. It would be very dissimilar. The comparison to Benin passport office would be Port Harcourt..... But between the two, Benin would have more local participation as a total percentage.

What I am trying to make different is this between the Igbo and the yoruba is this, the Igbo might come from his place to come and join his brother in a boutique in Benin, after a little while, the Brother settles him and he is ok and doing well for himself, he might decide tomorrow that he no longer want to stay in Nigeria, he would have the capacity to fund it full scale, you cannot compare that lifestyle to a bricklayer or a bike rider, that is why I argued that the population of travellers in Benin from Urhobo and even the yoruba stock is far less when compared to the igbo.

What is working for the Binis is the Unity, most of our brothers and sisters that left early and have found their footing tend to come back for their siblings strongly

scholes0:


I know every state have passport offices, but If I am an Ondo or Delta man living in Benin, I would collect my passport there than having to travel to my state of origin to do the same thing... I think we are dwelling more on the fringe of the argument than the actual substance.... which is that the demographic make up of those utilizing the passport offices in Ibadan and benin can not be compared like that. It would be very dissimilar. The comparison to Benin passport office would be Port Harcourt..... But between the two, Benin would have more local participation as a total percentage.

Benin would have far more local participation

scholes0:


Still, there is no way you can compare the demography of Benin and Ibadan. Benin is a major city in a demographically diverse state and an even more diverse region. The Bini are not the only ones who travel in Benin. The Esan and to an extent the Afenmai are heavy travellers too, even Yoruba. Do you know how many Yorubas use the Benin passport office? It is sorta like BEDC over there that controlls electricity supply to eastern Yorubaland like Ondo and Ekiti. Unless you don't want to make that distinction... And these are all ethnicities that have a heavy population in Benin.

Afemai and Esan are considered Edos by me. Afenmai would rather travel to the north than to europe, they have a large chunk in Kano and Kaduna. The heavy travellers in Edo state are Binis, Esan travel too but you cannot compare the ratio to the Binis, Esan population in Asaba, sapele and Agbor might be more than their population in Europe , and even at that Esan still dae learn where Bini dae. My brother I am telling you without fear or favour, not to denigrate your tribe, most of the yorubas we have in Benin at least a chunk of the Population are into Menial jobs, The Igbos are the most numerous non-indigenes and their population as I have stated before cannot be more than 200 thousand, the yorubas are smaller than that, so when you are talking about heavy population, I want to know the percentage. If we are to be talking about travellers out of Edo state that is not indigenous , we will be talking about Igbos.

Lastly there are passport offices in each of these yoruba states as we saw in that report, a yoruba man would not have to come down from Ekiti or Ondo to collect his passport in Benin. The scenario of Bedc is a different scenario

scholes0:


compare that with population of:

Igbos ...Including Anioma
Urhobo
Itsekiri
Ijaw
Yoruba
Ebira
Hausa
Isoko .. Etc in Benin... and you will understand.

They are economic immigrants, they came to Benin to hustle, they are not majorly the ones travelling,the group that usually travels there are the Igbos, their total number can't be more than 200 thousand. Compare that with the Bini majority in the city. I don't want to assign occupations to the Urhobos,and the Hausas, that would be derogatory to their image but we know what they do here. Ebiras,Isoko, Ijaw,Itsekiris are not much here.

You cannot also wish away the population of hausas in Ibadan too

The population of Urhobo travellers in Benin is very minimal

scholes0:


Oga, Edo has much more non Natives as a percentage of the population compared to Oyo..

we cannot vouch for it o, Ibadan is mighty now, the population of Igbos in Iwo road alone might be up to some tens of thousand. Ibadan of late has received a lot of immigrants migrating from lagos for the purpose of a more calmer life. That's about 60k difference, not that much

scholes0:


lol how can you say this even with the data you just quoted?

You can see there, that the state higher than Edo in the south west, are Oyo and lagos. Edo is third, and also we cannot bank on Oyo and lagos because there is large number of immigrants there,many of the people getting their passport in these state might not be Yoruba

When you compare Benin as a people in terms of ratio to the yorubas, you would understand what I am talking about. As our population increases mightily you will understand.

In that link the Iyase of Benin talked about having 20 of his family members in London alone. Let alone the entire Uk or the population of the entire Binis in diaspora. Timestamp 20:50 to 21:02. The Iyase as a person is well read and a very sober man, lastly there was emphasis on london so he knew what he was saying clearly


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCIBTmlI7hA

ElSudani:


What arrant nonsense.

it is not arrant nonsense, Edo is the most travelled ethnic group in Nigeria

Frenchkiss564:


Hahaha

The top 6 states are even south west states.

Facts don't lie

You can see there, that the state higher than Edo in the south west, are Oyo and lagos. Edo is third, and also we cannot bank on Oyo and lagos because there is large number of immigrants there,many of the people getting their passport in these state might not be Yoruba

forgiveness:


It doesn't change the fact that Lagos has Electricity, Tram, railway, roads, bridges banks etc before it ever became capital of Nigeria. Facts.

Many of these things, infact most of it came to be after she became capital in 1906. Lagos would not have been lagos but for her capital status

forgiveness:


All those amenities were already in existence in Lagos before any ethnic group ever came and that was why it was chosen as the capital of Nigeria.

Mind you, Calabar was the Capital even long before it was moved to Lagos.

Why is Calabar not developing like Lagos?

Calabar was capital for about 7 years, don't be clever by half. Lagos was capital for 85 years, she only dropped capital status in 1991

samuk:


The Italian ambassador is currently in Benin City, he told audiences at the states dinner organised by Obaseki on 5th December 2022 that the population of Nigerians in Italy is 150,000. Obaseki disclosed that the ambassador informed him of Italian provinces with high population of Edo indigines, they are to collaborate on a road show next year to showcase business opportunities in Edo to Italian business people to come and invest.

The winner of 2022 Italian masterchef is an Edo lady.

It's estimated that between 2 to 6 billion dollars of the about 20 billion diaspora annual remittances to Nigeria goes to Edo state.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XX7DnXfOiM

You can stay anywhere in europe with an EU kpali. I found out even as we are the most numerous in Italy, Italy also seem like a transit point for many Edos who ventured out of Africa through foot. Once they get their paper, they tend to relocate to other parts of Europe. That would explain the about 150,000 Nigerians in Italy. I was about asking if the illegal immigrants in Italy are accounted for.

The border of Italy is porous and easily accessible by land, Nigerians in the Us are about 461k, they don't have a porous border easily accessible to Nigerians and yet we are that much there let alone Italy with a porous border that has become an easy and affordable place of solace, succour and strength for Nigerians and Edolite aggressively

The population of Binis in Italy cannot be less than 900k

This is what I found

What tribe does the other two hundred thousand fit in scholes0

Banyxchi- I have seen it o

The link where Obaseki said his family is about a hundred thousand people. Timestamp 16:27-16:40 . Pedro is not a push aside(a former md of DAAR communications,a phd holder, and so on) and the Obaseki family is a pretty young one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_hteK2T0DM

Banyxchi, the Iyase of Benin said his Igbe family in London and not the entire Uk cannot be less than 20. The Iyase of Benin is a very educated and sober man and there was emphasis on London, so he clearly knew what he was saying. Time stamp 20:50 to 21:02. When I tell you we have a mighty diaspora, I am not kidding.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCIBTmlI7hA

samuk:


Partly the reason the average Benin person is unaware of the level of tribalism that exists in Nigeria.

what I meant is that Benin city Is an economic powerhouse herself. It is only Lagos that can be said to be noticeably better than Benin city in terms of economic strength.

samuk:


The average Benin person hardly travel to other parts of Nigeria to hustle except Lagos..

And the reason is obvious, Lagos or Europe

samuk:


Benin city is arguably the most welcoming city in Nigeria and her people the most hospitable. The average Benin person hardly travel to other parts of Nigeria to hustle except Lagos.

Most interactions the average Benin person will have with other Nigerians are usually within Edo state and as a result they have very little knowledge of the level of tribalism, jealousy, bigotry and historical grievances that flows through the veins of some of these tribes. Some of these are even exhibited in the academic works of some of them that write something about Benin history. So you have those who are trying to undermine Benin history, culture and traditions and others who are trying to steal the history and heritage as theirs.

As more Benin travel out of Edo state, their eyes begin to open to some of these things, the patriot in them are activated. The revival of Benin history, culture and traditions are now being championed by mostly Edo in diaspora. There are several Edo social cultural organisations in the diaspora that celebrate the annual Igue festival whilst most so called Benin Christians in Edo state no longer celebrate Igue festival.

You are right, Nigeria do have an expiring date unless it restructure and Edo have what others don't have, our history. Rome, Egypt, Athens etc have developed their historical sites and cities into multi billion dollars tourist destinations. I am glad that the current government of Obaseki understands the importance of this and already working on it, starting with the cultural district which is currently under construction, I understand part of the moat will be reclaimed and preserved.

you don't need to live there for the patriot in you to be activated. It is just about who we are as a people, we are lovers of truth and Justice, I have seen a thread, where someone recounted a story of a Benin youth corper that almost lynched a yoruba youth corper because he bastardized and made joke of the story of Ekaladerhan. There are some of us who have the nationalistic spirit in us and can die for Edo, we don't live there.

As for those who adopt christianity as a way of life is a personal thing. Some of the reasons why Edos there no longer care so much about christianity is because they've seen that the white man is not so pumped about the christianity so they revert back to our customs and traditions.

I have been a guest since 2011 and could no longer take it when other yorubas and tao continued with their seamless show of ignorance and joke about Benin history. You can see from the write up how frustrated I was when I typed this

AutomaticMotors:


AreaFada2 in my opinion is the G.O.A.T!! He stood the test of time and he is still here strong as ever!

when you have the chance, try peruse physics's work, physics is an encyclopedia. He can be likened to the biblical Jesus who was here for the shortest period but had the most impact. They usually complained his work was so lengthy , I mean what do you expect from a phd holder