Atigba:


Forget the fake document you attached. I have alot of those documents to prove to you Bini language is a dialect of Esan language.

I can see clearly where your problem is coming from.

Esan language has many dialects and Igueben, Ekpon speak dialects of Esan language not Bini.

If your language don't have a dialect like Benin, you are not qualified to be called a language. The reason I said, Bini is a dialect of Esan.

Those places you mentioned in Benin close to Esan are all indegenous Esan who were mistakenly cut into Edo South during local government creation.

Orominyan came to Igodomigodo in 13 century, If I go to archeological studies done in a place he settled and the palace built by the Oba.

You clearly have no clue about the history of Esan or Benin. It is either you are ignorant or you are just being deceptive.

The language we speak evolved from the Nok cultural zone around 850BC. Not just Esans, but Urhobos, Owan, Etsako, Isoko, Degama, Epie Atissa etc. According to linguistic experts like Elugbe.

You see.. you are ignorant.

If you are basing Esan foundation on some Esans who migrated southward to found Igodomigodo and they retured in 14 century due to Oba hostility. It means you are a baby historian.

Esan has the oldest archeological settlement in Edo State dated 500A.D by Patrick Darling.

It was the Binis who came out from Esan this period and migrated southward looking for a settlement in the southern rain forest.

According to Patrick Darling and linguistic authors...this period 500AD. That is about 2000 years, the language of Esan and Bini separated in ESANLAND not in Benin.

The only reason the Binis don't speak Esans today is because of imigrants in Yorubas that mixed with them in 13 century.

Today, the Binis speak Pigin Esan, mixed with Ife Ikedu dialect. With no authentic parient language.

Bini language is a dialect of Esan language.

Don't tell me about EDOID nonsense. Edo historically is a name of a sl@ve boy who saved Oba Ewuare from danger not a tribe or language.

I hope this help you.

you are a yoruba man, I would rather take the words of Hans melzian ( a qualified linguist scholar) over yours a nobody

Standard Bini has 3 dialect, Central Edo, Oza and Ehor, ,okojie included Igueben making it four, I would take the words of Okojie(a qualified historian over you a nobody,

Linguistic scholar has always classified all of Esan as dialects of Benin alongside with Oza and Ehor

The inhabitants of the village of Oza near the eastern boundary of the division not far from Igbanke, speak a different dialect that is easily understood by other Bini speakers and it is considered as Bini

What is wrong with that ugbe guy, why is he constantly attacking the Oba of Benin, I'm starting to think he might be that YouTube troll or one of his followers. Each comment of ugbe which I have read in several years is either attacking The Oba, either attacking Edo people. And he is extremely clueless of whatever he talks about.

There is nothing like constantly attacking the Oba of Benin and Edo people, because I said the Oba is from Ile-Ife did not in anyway which he himself agreed to be from is now attack or because I reeled out some of the policies he embarked upon which are not favourable to the course of the Binis today is what you term "constantly attacking the Oba of Benin quote any of my comment in which I talked about the Oba of Benin outside of these two areas and tell me how these comments can be termed attack, I wrote this, you did not put a gun to my head to write this, the youtube troll you talked about will not write these, don't give me some nonsense label because I did not follow your "there is no Ogiso talk"

Please quote any of my comment where I have attacked other Edo people

Even paul rebuked peter, the head of the church in the Bible, Appolos doctrine was different from that of Paul, let's live bro, the sky is big enough for everyone

Atigba:


Benin don't have a language but dialect of Esan language.

The Benin speak Esan language mixed with the dialect spoken in Ille ife.

Esan language has many dialects, unlike bini language of today that dont have a dialect.

Benin language is a dialect of Esan language

my write up was not to prove superiority over any language, as I actually believe we are one, if you actually know the story of Oronmiyan so well, you will know that Oronmiyan migrated to Benin in 1200, and Esans migrated from Benin enmasse some 200 years later during Oba Ewuare's reign, in essense, what must have corrupted Benin corrupted Esan too.

Benin is with three dialects, The central tongue spoken by 90 percent of Benin clans, Oza, Ehor which sound like Esan, I would Even add Igueben which is considered Bini by you guys and by Okogie, and also the entire Esan clans which are regarded as Bini dialects by language scholars

"The Bini or Edo language together with the Esan dialect"

Ghostwon821:

Basically you are claiming that everybody else makes the same mistake as you therefore if I don't make that same mistake then I am retarded ??
So wait explain to me what you meant by "Italy's borders are porous" is that also an other way of saying "Italy has a long coastal line" ?
Look, just accept you are a deluded ignoramus which is obvious in your deluded comments. Right now you are just trying to claim your stupidity is not stupid because many other people make the same mistakes as you.

I meant it is easily accessible obviously, I was not trying to come correct with geography, I am a very intentional person with my write up, have a nice day my brother

Ghostwon821:
Soon this deluded ignoramus will claim that "by car" means "by airplane", please just keep your mouth shut, you are only fooling yourself.

you seem like a bored human, a pry 2 student knows that when told that someone travelled by land to europe, he knows the destination is Kano- agadez- tripoli which is a town in libya, then cross the mediterranean before he will get to europe. These are common terms in Benin, you seem to be daft that's why you don't know this

Ghostwon821:

Shhhhh, you belong to the gutters.

you are a small boy, go solve some maths son

Ghostwon821:

What is wrong with that ugbe guy, why is he constantly attacking the Oba of Benin, I'm starting to think he might be that YouTube troll or one of his followers. Each comment of ugbe which I have read in several years is either attacking The Oba, either attacking Edo people. And he is extremely clueless of whatever he talks about.

Our take on Issues with the Oba personalities certainly would differ , we have our opinions on these people. We are humans and not robots.

Ghostwon821:

It seems you have never looked at a map, Italy is a peninsula, you can't access Italy from Africa by land, you would need to go through many other EU countries before you can get to Italy. You keep saying complete rubbish like a drunk who just keeps blabbing. I told you before, you are a big ignoramus who just can't keep his mouth shut long enough to learn one thing or two.
I don't believe you are Edo, eventhough you keep claiming so, but while you are claiming to be Edo, you are also attacking the Oba of Benin and other Edos.

And you think I don't know what I meant by "land" . Your insulting nature shows you are a weak person, you are a fool, a big one. My comment was not to come correct with geography, but to make a very simple point of which without 'dotting' the I's and crossing the T's. An average Nigerian would understand. A boy that is at least 20 years old in Edo when told that someone travelled by land to Italy, would know that eventually, that person crossed through the mediterranean

Franchise21:
Which Igbinedion?

The same Igbinedion that has employed more Bini natives more than any other Edo man dead or alive, the same Igbinedion that choose to stay in Benin city and invest, employing Benin and other Edo natives when he could have gone to lagos which was obviously a better investment destination as at the time he made these investment

Mrnairalandd:



Thank you my brother for those undiluted facts! I can bet my life on it that if census of Nigerians in Cali should be taken all over again, Yorubas beat Igbos in that state hands down. Let me cite gyms as a case study, if you visit most popular gyms in Santa Clara, Alameda and others, trust me, 8 of 10 Nigerian members are Yorubas while the other two are either Igbo or other Nigerians. It’s the same story in UK, if you visit most gyms in London, Manchester, Birmingham and others, 90% of Nigerian members are Yorubas.

If you go to the local shops in USA and Europe, you ll hear the Asians shop owners saying “Je kin fi Jara si” which means “let me put extra for you”. That’s how much Yorubas population has significantly influenced those Asians.

Just before i go, let me state this fact about the igbos, if one igbo man begins to produce Laptops in commercial quantities in the East, guess what, the igbos ll scream about how they are technologically advanced than other Nigerians even though there are 10 x Yoruba owned companies in the West producing quality laptops in commercial quantities. If you call their attention to this fact, the igbos ll continue to tell the whole world about how they are the only one producing such product in Nigeria arrogantly. A typical case study is it Innoson motors. The Igbos make so much noise about it in the East while the Yoruba owned two to three of such company without making a noise. ProForce is one of Yoruba owned vehicle producing companies.

This attitude reared its ugly head in Nollywood few years back when the actors, investors and others were trying to build Actors/movies producers association umbrella that house all part of Nollywood. The Igbos in Nollywood wanted the history of movies production to start from when they(The Igbos) started arriving and producing movies such as Isakaba… But the likes of Kunle Afolayan told them that the Yorubas have been producing movies for years. The likes of Ogunde, his father- Ade love. This issue generated a lot of brouhaha in the industry, today, in the same country, they have different version of Nollywood. In sane society, the igbos would have respected what Kunle Afolayan said and incorporated that into their plan. And this would have put all of them under one umbrella.

The same misconception about Igbos being good at buying and selling, this is total bullshit. Let’s take a quick look at this fact, all the Oja-Obas(King markets) in Yoruba land and beyond are mostly occupied by the Yoruba women and few men. Out of 10 markets today in Oyo state or Ogun state, you ll only see few Igbos in one or two of those markets but 90% of the occupiers are the Yorubas. The same thing in the North, the Hausas re the 90% occupiers of their several markets. So where is this misconception-“Igbos know how to buy and sell” coming from?

Finally, the number of industrialists in Yorubaland is up there but if you listen to the Igbos, you ll think other Nigerians have nothing. However, if you look at the names of captains of industry in Nigeria, you ll realise that Igbos are years behind the Yorubas and the North.

Look at Cubana-Igbo for example, do you know SujiMoto-Yoruba might be able to buy that guy but you won’t know cos it’s not loud like Cubana. The same business Cubana is doing is the same Pele Quilox is doing but he is quiet…

Stay blessed.

The Igbo tribe is not what you underrate and box into a corner with a write up. Look at this man unconsciously say "daalu" unbeknownst to him that the person he is interacting with might not be Igbo. Whatever your analysis, sincerely leave allowances because the Igbos abroad are a thing,even in these so called prime developed countries

https://youtube.com/shorts/U8XbgcVgHEA?feature=share

AjaanaOka:


Interesting take. Do you care to illustrate further on this, with examples?

According to linguists, Edo and Yoruba are closer to each other than either of them is to Igbo. Lexical similarity between Yoruba and Edo is calculated to be 56%, and only 51% for Yoruba and Igbo.

But I'll still like to know what informs your position.

I think Edo related more with yoruba than Igbo, and as such that must have increased the lexical similarity in both languages,(we surprisingly have far more words borrowed from Yoruba than Igbo) the other hand, yoruba and Igbo do not share any border at all as such,the 51 percent was not borrowed and showed some relationship between both tribes, many words in Edo today were borrowed from Yoruba and you can't find it in Igbo, that must have increased it to 56 percent, it might not have even be up to 50 percent before this time. Look at all the words there, if you place Edo side by side you will be shocked, it is either Edo has morphed so hard or it is totally unrelated to

I will give you an example of basic words that is on this list adding Edo to it, and you will see the stark difference, words related to part of the body that might not have been borrowed.

Igbo-nti-ear
Yoruba-eti-ear
Edo-Ehor-ear

Ura-sleep -Igbo
Orun-sleep-yoruba
Ovbe-sleep-Edo

Igbo-Ire-tongue
yoruba-Ede-tongue
Edo-Ahawmen-tongue

Olu-neck-yoruba
Orun-neck-Igbos
Eyean-neck-Edo

Igbo-aka-hand
Ika-yoruba-Finger
Edo-Obo-hand

Ulo-house in Igbo
Ile/Ule-house in yoruba
Owa- house in Edo

ọría = disease-Igbo
arun/aarun = disease-Igbo
also related to yoruba aarẹ and arirẹ
Edo-emiawmen-Disease

Igbo-agu
Yoruba-ekun
Edo-Atalakpa

Igbo-bia-come
Yoruba-wa-come, this seems to pass as cognate with the Igbo word for come which is bia
Edo-re,the root word for come in Edo is re. In Edoid languages the dominant seems to be "re" laire for Edos, yan"re" for the Urhobos, vbai"re" for the Esans and so on


and so on

Edo seem like a language that was not originally of the yeai branch but however was influenced into by socialization and association

when I have the time I will post others,

duro4chang:
Give me more info about that.

linguistically there are so many similarities in words between yoruba and Igbo that are not there in Edo

duro4chang:
What has yoruba done for you? I was told yoruba and Edo are related and also united

yoruba is more related to Igbo than it is to Bini or Edo

BanyXchi:
"we cannot bank on Oyo and lagos because there is large number of immigrants there,many of the people getting their passport in these state might not be Yoruba" But there are no immigrants in Edo? All the people emigrating from Edo are Bini? No Deltans and Ibos and Yorubas and even Northerners?

I have already trashed that argument before, go and read my previous argument and follow the argument of everybody that contributed on the part of Edo, This should already settle the fact that we are the most travelled Nigerian group by a mile https://www.nairaland.com/7484480/international-remittances-nigeria-state-household/11#119249169

yorubarere:

He only changed his stance when he was heavily called out. That makes him a sneaky person cos I saw his post where he claimed some are trying to control lagos economically (we all know the tribe that is notorious for this statement). He also said some are laying claims to it historically. That old and useless bini story igbos propagate.

They never asked themselves why bini uses "obaship" title. Oba of Bini is a descendant of the Yoruba. Even their elite class like obaseki family etc belongs to us.

How does oba of bini owns lagos? Which history? If it he does, is Oba himself not from the yoruba lineage forced on the igodomigodo people by the yorubas?

The Obaseki family is from Nsukwa in present day Delta state. Nsukwa is an Igbo town in delta state, stop talking like a garrulous ignorant palm wine drunk

emee701:
edo remmittance is more than lagos. Should we now say benin is more economical than lagos. Ph, ibadan, kano, kaduna are more economically viable than benin which shows from the igr, vat, network subscriptions etc

Remember I took lagos out, show me any proof that states that Ph, Ibadan, Kano and Kaduna are more economically viable in Nigeria than Benin. What you have are state to state comparison,me am telling you that 90% of the economic strength is domiciled in Benin city. So that Edo state figures attribute at least 90% of it to Benin city. Jara mall owner talked about the fact that the Benin city branch is the second busiest in the country, what do you have to say about that

I said on the average Benin city indigenes are more comfortable than indigenes from other states aside lagos and maybe Kaduna, not port harcourt, Ibadan or Kano. These latter aforementioned cities, let me analyze them for you,
For port harcourt- they have oil going for them, and they have an elite few of big men and a fair middle-class. But the masses are poor as compared to Benin.

As for Kano, they have the wealthy elite, then some chunk of Igbo men and other southern tribes pulling strings. But the great majority are impoverished.

The same with Ibadan, they have the wealthy few and a strong middle class, but a substantial chunk of the majority are what can be regarded as poor.

But for Benin city, we have the wealthy elite, and the substantial part of the population are strongly okay. A "baba" in one outskirt of Benin city will have millions in his account courtesy of his son or daughter abroad. Even a man with about six of his siblings abroad will legitimately get married and he is doing nothing serious with steady cash flow in his account month in month out courtesy of his siblings abroad.

The only cities I can argue were or are more viable in terms of how these cash trickles down to the ordinary citizen are Or were Kaduna and lagos. Kaduna is desolate now as a result of the insurgency there. I made my first million in Kaduna.

So go figure that Edo state figure is 90% from Benin city, not the Igr that is majorly taxed from companies and will be looted, as a result will not trickle down or reflect in the lives of the ordinary citizen

emee701:
Stop talking like an illiterate. Top states with highest igr are lagos, rivers, ogun, delta, oyo. Top states in vat are lagos, rivers, oyo. Top states in network subscriptions are lagos, ogun, kano, oyo, kaduna. edo is no where to be found in all these which means it isnt economically viable like those above

This is not necessary, I said Benin city as a single entity and not Edo state. These remittances up to 90 percent of it are going to Benin city. And the remittances going to Edo state is close to 100% more than any other state. The indigenes of Bini city are on the average more comfortable than indigenes from other states, it tends to reflect in the way entertainers, comedians bring shows to Benin city more than any other city in Nigeria of late

If Igr is the only factor that really matter in all these, tell me one city that is close to Benin size in Ogun and delta states

The financial strength and cash flow in Benin city is only second to lagos city. Benin city is economically dominant and bigger than Kano, port harcourt and Ibadan economically

LILTJAY:
i nor even understand this guy self.. Oga I stay Benin from 2004 till 2017, and I still they go there time to time because I get family members for there wet son settle build house and business for the state, I be even get land for tipper garage(ikpoba hill) and Sapele rd before I sell them move.
I know Benin finish my guy..
benins they most travel go Italy though illegally, na Italy be the number one destination followed by other European countries like Germany, Greece, France, Belgium, etc..
na few of them dey go USA, UK, etc.. and na the ones wey get money

Our local musicians are hosting city tours in the Uk,from newcastle to manchester to london to liverpool etc, they are hosting shows in these various cities and there is mass attendance

tell me which minority tribe that can do this, this is uk, mind you not Italy, they can't because they don't have that much diasporan presence time stamp 1:44-2:07



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCKwV4XYMIY

This guy has seen so many Edos at event in US, that he thinks of Edos as the fourth largest group in Nigeria, mind you this guy is based in the US not Italy

Thebadpolitican:



Oga that's why I call you old school
It is written and even taught in school Americans landed on the moon but truth is they never did it was all fake and forged by American government.
Which bini oral history... Oral history circulated in the 1900 by the people who formed the lies


Did you know many of our forefathers in the 190p were not priveledge like us to read for themselves in the
Past to even know what they were told by the palace if it was truth on not
Oga I have read and I have argued the wrong history of benin on this forum like you're doing untill I picked bini books written by Europeans as old 1400 to start doing my research

A quick analysis


How is the bini religion structured.. Ans

If you understand the bini religion system you will easily know ogiso didn't exist at all

Because there was nothing like sky Gods in benin ancient religion


The people who brought that of sky kings are Europeans


Start reading bini old document

You're not too late to start

See ugbe there was nothing that was nothing wriiten and documented about the bini people
By the Europeans

I cannot teach you beyond this I can only serve
As an eye opener is your choice to pick a bini document and start reading

There is only one dynasty in benin which is and was the oba dynasty

One thing you should know the Benin religion system never believed on heavenly idols or beings all their God's and idol they worship was on earth including the oba they pray to

Urhobos has it too, Esan etc,

are you wishing away the story of the Olu awure on Oronmiyan coming to Benin alongside with Oloton and his retinue of people who are the Usen people today, they have it in their history.

Are you wishing away the family salutation of the Usen people who migrated from Ife and today they greet Delauhe. They know where their Uhe is, it is Ife. This Usen story and their family salutation supports the fact that the Oba, the family of Oloton, and people of Usen themselves migrated from Ife. Are you wishing it away.

What about the Evian and Ogie-amien family who were admistrators, who are regarded as the last Ogisos in Benin. I would seem to hold on to this account for now.

The old document did not really talk about where the Oba migrated from. I will hold on to this account for now until further notice there are overwhelming evidences to support this, I don't like to delude myself. Thebadpolitician

Thebadpolitican:



Oga what are you talking about

Backup your claims with old document

Or else you're speaking in myth


There was never an ogiso dynasty for God sake


Those were made up history in the 1900

You referring to a dynasty that never existed the history you speak of is ill fated


There was nothing like ogiso dynasty my guy

You lots who don't know your history should stop circulating a myth told after 1914 by both the yoruba and bini for political unification purposes


The ogiso myth had to be told so the oba ship which they claim is yoruba would be followed aftermath, that was how the myth was structured to be told for a cultural unification
Purpose
A quick stroll into benin old document writing by European themselves you will see the ogiso dynasty never existed, the oba dynasty is the only dynasty that has been present in benin kingdom since the inception and the bini influence on yorubas brought the name oba to their lexicon and not untill that myth was officiated that the yorubas started seeing the need to use the oba title as a generic name to mean king because the edos had agreed to be their son for political reasons


There was never ogiso why?



Ogiso talks about sky kimgs

Ogie = royalty

Iso = sky


The Benin tradition never believed on sky kings they believe the oba is the ultimate God here on earth who is spirit keeps recarnating in a continuous life circle they believe the other God's like olokun and Co were smaller God's than the oba of bini and they were there to help the oba as a servant when the need be
They belive all spirit settled on earth after life

So now where did the myth come from a sky king when the edo religion never believed in it


The Europeans that brought the idea of a sky God's or kings

The edos thought little or nothing about the sky and the God's who controlled rain and sun were on earth and they were servant of the oba as well


Some group of edo migrated due to war to find the urhobo people and they subdued the urhobo indigenes and they became integrated

it is there in our oral account there were Ogiso.

Kirigidi:
I know, but at the time the Urhobos were there, there was nothing like Benin or Benin Kingdom. What we had was "Aka Kingdom" been ruled by the "Ogisos" with capital in "Udo". The earlier ancestors of the various clans of Urhobo-Isoko lived under Ogiso rule and not under Oba. It was the collapse of the Ogiso Dynasty (around 900AD) that led to the mass exodus of our ancestors out of ancient Udo environs to our present homelands. In other words, many of the Urhobo-Isoko clans had left the Udo region long before the rise of the Oba Dynasty, and subsequent change of name from "Aka" (Kingdom) to "Benin"
(Kingdom) and later "Edo". These explain why much of Urhobo-Isoko folklores and ancient tales are centered around the Ogisos and Udo, and events which took place during those eras.

What I am trying to say is that the fact that there is a new sheriff in town did not really alter the language spoken or there was no extermination of the natives,(some of your kind migrated out,some stayed back )the people called Benin or Edo today are still the same people that was there, that stayed back, there was at most a change of name. According to the popular account, that the Oba migrated down here, himself and his retinue that came into town, would not have been more than 5-7 of the population. So they were submerged. politically, there was a difference, but at least it is the same people and language that has been there, majority of them.

The Bini and the Urhobo might have been one language a thousand years ago what would have caused the changes was that they were among the earliest Edoid group to migrate so they've evolved over the years into a distinct group reflecting features from neighbouring languages around her

Kirigidi:
In the first place, don't take all what that guy said concerning Urhobo-Benin relationship serious. I'm Urhobo, and I can't deny the close ancestral and linguistic origins which exist among all Edoid people. No doubt Urhobo is Edoid, but that does not mean Urhobo descended from Benin. Rather, Urhobo and Benin and other Edoid groups are like siblings with common ancestors(descendants of the same ancestors). We see Benin as "senior brother" and not as "father". Ancient "Udo" was our common place of origin before the great dispersal, and long before the emergence of the Oba Dynasty.

Ancient Udo is Benin or Edo speaking

Naphtali44:


You're very unstable, "you just spoke benin"......is benin even a language....'benin' is a crazy combination of igala, idoma(where you guys originate from), and the indigenous efa(urhobo) language.

Bini or the Edo language is a language my brother, the root of many Edoid language in southern Nigeria. I don't know where you get your education from but it it so strange

Thebadpolitican:



Oghene was a powerful priest or a bini king that was very powerful at a time in benin kingdom

We are yet to conclude or know if he was a bini king but from what is written in history Oghene was a strong priest

Just like the word ohen

Like places in benin called oreghene, the spot of Oghene

In as much as he was the name of a powerful king or priest according to you, which I am not so interested in, my point or what I seem to be bothered about is that, Oghene was once the name of almighty God in Benin strongly, just as it is still there there in Etsako and Urhobo today, and it was called Oghene-Osa by the Binis. It just goes to show that we are brothers

This Bini or Edo dictionary was written in the 1930s, just 90 years ago and Oghene-Osa appeared as the name of God there

omonnakoda:
Number one thing it takes is self identification
If a group say they are not Igbo that is the end of it
Have they ever identified as Igbo at any time in THEIR HISTORY?

The answer is a resounding NO
If today the Ngwa who historically were never identified as Igbo before 1900 decide they are that is THEIR choice. We know that at various times they , too, have denied being "IGBO" But it is ultimately down to them
The simple and unescapable fact is

The Igbo group Identity as we now know it only started AFTER the creation of Nigeria NOT before

So the Ikwerre are well within their right to say they want no part of it

"Abaribe can't be more Igbo than I. Most Igbo people cannot interpret Abaribe, but most Igbo understand and can interpret Amaechi"

Amaechi is from which tribe again Ijebu? Is Abaribe not from the south east?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://dailypost.ng/2018/11/27/eastern-railway-controversy-cant-igbo-amaechi-dares-abaribe/%3Famp%3D1&ved=2ahUKEwjYo5DT__n7AhUlhc4BHR8WATYQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Ctz5QqOqAikm_cwJcWUKX

omonnakoda:
So what?
Portuguese people understand Spanish and Italian to some extent
So f uckking what?
Ikwerre is a Language it is NOT a dialect of Igbo

what I am telling you is that Ikwerre would understand central Igbo better than some groups in the south east, yet those ones are Igbo, Ikwerre is not . The division yakubu gowon had wanted to create is working, if not that rivers state was created in 1967, we won't be having this conversation.

That these guys are Igbo or not is the aftermath of civil war and the oil politics

omonnakoda:
We are making headway

There is or there was no group with the name Igbo
Igbos only began to identify as such AFTER Nigeria was created and even more DURING the Biafra war
Also
Igbos have NEVER claimed a common ancestor
Also there is no such thing as mutual intelligibility of Igbo dialects. At least not all. Some dialects are TOTALLY unintelligible to some speakers of so called Central Igbo

So
If there was never an Igbo nation and you decide to have one after Biafra why must Ikwerre join something that they were NEVER part of in their history? because your languages are similar?
They speak French Italian and German in Switzerland. Does not make them German
They speak Hausa across Northern Nigeria does not make them all Hausa

Ikwerre are NOT Igbo

That Igbo identity you are championing is new and a creation of colonial Nigeria.
It is not part of Ikwerre history
They speak some form of Arabic in Morocco,Libya,Algeria and Tunisia does not make them same or that they should be in same country

It takes some features for a people to be Igbo. (1) the culture (2) the language. In every large group, there are low intelligible areas, some must have become so perforated that intelligibility will be low especially at border areas, it is not exclusive to Igbos, I gave example for Owo and Oyo, that is if the Owo man cannot understand Oyo, it will be harder for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for an Owo man without the understanding of Oyo to communicate directly with the Oyo man. So it is not exclusive to Igbos.

Why are you so interested in the issue, it is certainly not out of love, what is your axe to grind in it, you are certainly not Ikwerre, why are you so neckdeep in it. The first igbo group that the term Igbo was used was not even the south easterners, it was the Aboh group in delta state.

But for Yoruba(oyo) which is the central dialect, even the Yorubas would find it hard to communicate with themselves. According to the Awujale of Ijebu, he said if he speaks his language, an Ekiti man would not understand him.

That one Is Igbo or not is strictly an issue of related dialects (of course up to seventy percent "relativeness", the only group that would not pass that test is Ekpeye) customs, traditions, and so on, . If not rivers state that was created in 1967, are you aware there are related towns in rivers and imo. While the one in Imo is certain about his Identity because he is in the south east, the one in Rivers state is confused because he is in the south south, I mean they are related.

omonnakoda:
It has a different meaning in Ikwerre language
That there is similarity proves nothing

Even Yoruba which is miles away have similar words
like
Okuta stone
Apo bag
House Ile or Ule
Ear eti

To give a few examples

Ikwerre is a similar BUT different language to Igbo just like Spanish , Italian and Portuguese are similar but DIFFERENT
Isuoma may have a meaning in Igbo that does not mean it cannot have another meaning in Ikwerre
Isu oma is good slave

Ikwerre is similar But different just as how Nsukka is similar but different, an Ikwerre man will even understand central Igbo better than a man from Ezza in Ebonyi state. Those guys from Imo and Abia axis understand Ikwerre very well better than a man from Oyo would understand Owo

omonnakoda:
They are not Igbo. They made that clear already
In Ikwerre language Isu oma means good slave

The word Isuoma itself is Igbo, there is no group with the sole name Igbo. They are all Igbos, what would only make sense is that they sold some other igbo groups just the way some Yoruba groups sold some others