AreaFada2:


@ UGBE634

Great that you have taken your time to compile the above. We need more of this about other Edoid languages. Comparing words and phrases in two or more languages: Afemai/Isoko, Degema/Benin, Esan/Ososo, Urhobo/Owan (Ora), etc.

AreaFada2:
It depends to some extent on current geographical proximity, how much a particular Edoid language has been influenced by non-Edoid languages around them, how long ago a language separated from the Ur-Edo language, how well the speaker of an Edoid language truly understands own Edoid language, etc.

Naturally, an Esan person will understand Benin to a good level, an Isoko person will understand Urhobo to a decent level, etc.

This is not too different from European languages. A Dutch person will understand German language to a good level but a German will understand Dutch much less. Swedes, Danes and Norwegians will learn German much more easily because German is still nearest to their Ur-Germanic language origins.

A Spaniard will understand Italian to a good extent because Italian is closest to their common Latin language origin. A Romanian will understand French less than he will understand Italian, a Portuguese will understand Spanish than Romanian due to proximity to Spain, a Romanian will understand Italian better than Spanish due to Italian being still closer geographically and to Latin origin.

Mutual intelligibility depends on many factors.

In the same way, a Degema person in Rivers State will find Esan harder to understand than Benin language.

As for the level to which people understand own language, if a Benin person doesn't know that Ekokodia is the original Benin name for Coco-nut, he won't recognise it when a Delta man says it. If he doesn't know that Osa means great ape, he won't recognise meaning of Osia when a Delta man says it, etc.

My worry is that with fewer kids learning their mother tongue, it will affect all the languages in the Edoid group.

AreaFada2:
It depends to some extent on current geographical proximity, how much a particular Edoid language has been influenced by non-Edoid languages around them, how long ago a language separated from the Ur-Edo language, how well the speaker of an Edoid language truly understands own Edoid language, etc.

Naturally, an Esan person will understand Benin to a good level, an Isoko person will understand Urhobo to a decent level, etc.

This is not to different from European languages. A Dutch person will understand German language to a good level but a German will understand Dutch much less. Swedes, Danes and Norwegians will learn German much more easily because German is still nearest to their Ur-Germanic language origins.

A Spaniard will understand Italian to a good extent because Italian is closest to their common Latin language origin. A Romanian will understand French less than he will understand Italian, a Portuguese will understand Spanish than Romanian due to proximity to Spain, a Romanian will understand Italian better than Spanish due to Italian being still closer geographically and to Latin origin.

Mutual intelligibility depends on many factors.

In the same way, a Degema person in Rivers State will Esan harder to understand than a Benin language.

As for the level to which people understand own language, if a Benin person doesn't know that Ekokodia is the original Benin name for Coco-nut, he won't recognise it when a Delta man says it. If he doesn't know that Osa means great ape, he won't recognise meaning of Osia when a Delta man says it, etc.

My worry is that with fewer kids learning their mother tongue, it will affect all the languages in the Edoid group.

Uzoezeamugo:
They are all dialects of the Igbo language. Also in Edo state they have another Igbo race, they are called 'Ugo' there dialect has the same intonation with that of Ika.

pazienza:
Well, Esan people have affinity for Ndiigbo. They inter marry alot With Igbos in SE and in Anioma.
I have many Esan friends who are married to Igbo women. It can be hard to separate an Esan from an Igbo, by physical looks, we look so much alike. Our relationship with Esan must have been a very old and long one.
Uromi is a beautiful town, I enjoyed my stay there.
The average Esan man is stubborn and hate being subjected under authority, the resentment spirit, they are also too business minded, it's really interesting how they have alot of these traits associated with Ndiigbo, yet they are clearly not Igbos. I believe there must be a genetic connection.

Bini look like Edo people that mixed with Yorubas, this mixture become more apparent when you get to Usen, where they speak a distinct language that is a blend of Yoruba and Edo.
The way I see it, it appears like Bini and Esan were ancient brothers of the same parents. While the Ife(Yoruba ) arrivals made Bini distinct from Esan, contact with Igbos (Anioma) made Esan distinct from Bini, yet both are more related to each other than to Ndiigbo or Yorubas.

Just as Bini have Usen, a Bini town speaking an language that is a mixture of Yoruba and Bini, the Esan have Ekpon, an Esan town speaking a Language that is a mixture of Igbo(Ika) and Edo.

Perfectbeing:
I'm not Yoruba. I'm Edo.
Remember the Yorubas fought the longest civil war in Africa before colonisation. A whooping 100 years civil war. Nigeria is what's holding them together.

Atigba:


Quiet

Esan language is not Bini language

Esan language is pure Idu language, the Benin language is fake language miss with Ife

Igboid:


There is no such thing as Igbo migration to Asaba.
Igbos indigenously inhabited the two sides of River Niger from Agbor to Cross River and regularly criss crossed the area.
Before Nnebisi had a reverse migration from Nteje in Anambra to Asaba, there an indigenous thriving Igbo community led by a man called "Eze-Anyanwu".
Many indigenous Igbo groups in Western Igbo also migrated from their homelands there to cross River Niger and establish new homes in Eastern Igbo. Example are the Ubulus, the Akris/Akarai, Akalaka who left Western Igbo land to found communities in Ogbaru Anambra, Ogba and Ekpeye in Rivers State.

Igbo is deep rooted in antiquity and much older than Bini who are nothing but a new hybrid group made up Nupe, Igbo, Yoruba and indigenous Edoid people like the Ozas and Esans.

Alba3:
This picture should help you calm down.

In Nigeria, Ọọni is the head of traditional rulers from the South while Sultan is the head in the North; they are both Co-chair person of the traditional council of Nigeria.

All the rulers mentioned taced their origins to Oduduwa. Obi of Onitsha traced his to Benin; Oranmiyan of Oduduwa house from Ifẹ gave birth to Oba of Binin.

Yorubas, the largest group in the South and beyond see Ọọni as their paramount spiritual Oba and leader compared with others mentioned kings and the numbers of their subjects. Virtually every state in Yorubaland is bigger in population than Bini population in Edo.

However, the 3 rulers of Ife, Benin and Oyo are Oranmiyan's children and Ife is the source. Although Oba of Binin is now ruling Igodomigodo and there are lots of revisionism going on by typical igodomigodo person but a sensible person knows right.

Emperordynasty:

Hmm this last statement though

The Esan people are predominantly Edo migrants who have Edo heritage telling largely by our history and culture etc,
But I can not deny the similarities Esan have with the Igbos, particularly my town Uromi,where Igbos settled for years even before the civil war,
This years led to serious integration of Standard igbo behavior and even in look,
Their is a saying in my place that “the Igbos taught the Uromi people business”
Even in look I can say that 1/3rd of Uromi people are light skinned just like Igbos
It baffled me that Esan people are always mistaken for Igbo instead of Benin people..so you assertion that Esan land was inhabited by Igbos before the mass migration during the reign of Ewaure could be as well true

Coming from Benin into Esan land and out is a direct road into igbo land and as Esan stands in the middle it obviously shares cultures from both sides
Neverthelesss the Esan people are an offshoot of the great Benin Empire

UMUAZEE:


If you researched history like you are advocating you will find out that Ondo was for many years ruled by Benin kingdom and populated by Edo warriors and traders and settlers, thereby influencing the yoruba culture and also the large number of Edo groups in the state..

YourNemesis:


Linguistically they speak Emai, Otwa, Ora etc and other edoid micro dialects, although some can be heavily laden with Yoruba words. like in Otuo or in Sobe.
The cuisine border isn't as sharp between Edo and Ondo to begin with, they both have a thing called black soup, egusi and pounded yam is always a staple... not the amala ish though~ that is the 'Oyo type' of Yoruba., other general meals are the same , except those I don't know of. They are quite sw/yoruba-philic, except for a few that hv spent their entire lives in places like Port Harcourt. Dele Momodu is a native of Ihievbe but claims SW. Olusegun aganga former minister is also Owan, people don't even know.

YourNemesis:
My bestie is from Uzebba, in Iuleha.

Very cool people. Ora are almost like half Ishan, half Ondo Yoruba in everything.

Gr8mike:
Good day my fellow Nairalanders,

So I recently got a job as in IT officer in Lagos and in Benin, the one I got in Lagos(Restaurant /Fashion Store) is 250k plus pensions and HMO while the one in Benin(Hydro Farm) is 200k, no pension but there is free weekly farm produce available for staffs.

I currently reside in Lagos and my house rent is on the High side but I am from Benin and getting accommodation in Benin won't be hard.

With the high inflation rate, will you advise I move to Benin considering I won't be spending on food, transportation and housing is cheap.

Please I need your comments.

FreeStuffsNG:
Congrats MTN!

The states that will witness the first launch, the company said, include Lagos, Abuja, Port Harcourt, Ibadan, Kano, Owerri, and Maiduguri.

Just like the clean data from INEC, JAMB data etc, I see population consideration at work again. Yet from one of these clean data, an estimate of 80% Igbo live in the 5 SE states while 20% live outside SE, making SE low in population and with very low diversity in population.

For example, according to JAMB data, of the 100% Igbo indigenes who registered for JAMB, approximately 80% of JAMB candidates who are indigenes of SE states wrote their exams in the 5 SE states while 20% of igbo indigenes wrote outside SE.

These candidates filled their states of origin as indigenes of the SE states and their registration is linked to their registered GSM numbers , NIN and biometrics to prove that the data is clean and consistent! https://utmeofficial.org.ng/school-news/2021-utme-jamb-application-statistics-by-state-of-origin-released/

The 5 SE Igbo states have a minority population.

The clean data do not have emotion and that may just be one of the emperical basis to site major developments.

MTN is not FG that one can blame for using politics to site development, MTN is in it for business so MTN had really factored in real data to choose the take off states.

I am not surprised. The 3 super major tribes in Nigeria by population are the Hausa, Yoruba and Fulani. Part of the push factors for developments like this is low population.

The current low population and low urbanization of Igboland is largely due to environmental factors ( e.g natural disasters like gully erosion,hostile weather conditions caused by climate change etc) lack of security especially in those large unoccupied bare lands, low Igbo population, too much blood letting, emigration of indigenes and the fact that non indigenes are not attracted and incentivised to migrate to Igboland to urbanize it.

Luckily, all these push factors currently being witnessed by the 5 SE Igbo states can be reversed if the folks and leaders in SE are honest enough to admit these problems and deal with each of them. For God sake, the whole SE is just like the size of Oyo state in Land mass so if a single Governor like HE Seyi Makinde can administer Oyo state, having 5 Governors to administer such equivalent Igboland land mass should be easier and bring developments far closer to my Igbo brethren. Haba!

In my whole life, I have never seen or heard a non-Igbo saying he is relocating to SE. As a patriotic Nigerian, I am genuinely concerned that something is really wrong with SE. Igboland can not be left behind.
check my signature for free stuffs!

CyberWolf:
Edo indigenes need to do more in advanced education, it’s mostly only Igbos and Yoruba. It shouldn’t stop at WAEC level.

LegendHero:
So 92% and 87% of all the students that did WAEC in these states got credits in 5 subjects?

This should be the 10th wonder of the world.

Lastly, kudos to them tho for attaining that feat tho whether by miracle center or not.

OJURONGBE1:
Errant nonsense!

He came out to debunk it because Kiss Daniel's Alora members ( cultist) are after his life.

Demigod22:


Her regret is not beneficial to you. If you call me kid I won't react because I am in my mid twenties, so I can actually be kid to you, that's if you are advance in age.

I have female friends, very great people, they know me and know their boundaries. I enjoyed the friendship and we help one another without second thought, but girls I have asked out and said no and still want to enjoy the girlfriend treatment won't succeed with me.

I am a great guy too. SUG president, best graduating student, school entertainer, fellowship leader, popular and selfless, which most people know in school.

samuk:


The point of disagreement is you using the word Igbo. Perhaps what you should be saying is that Benin had a shared culture with one of the numerous tribes that later became Igbo. Igbo is a recent creation that borrowed and keep borrowing from her older neighbours.

There is no doubt that the Edo language share numerous words and their meanings with what we now called Igbo, this is so because Edo tribe is part of what we now call Igbo, Igbo is a conglomerate of Edo, Ijaw, Ikwerre, Igala, Ibibio etc. Modern Igbo borrowed from these various culture and languages and not the other way round.

America is a collection of various cultures and languages, America borrowed from Europe, Latin America, Africa, etc. The America English is based on England English. America borrowed from England linguistically and not the other way.

The Modern Igbo language is a hybrid of other languages. There are numerous Edo words in Igbo language, I say Edo words because Edo is older, however Edo could have borrowed or be influenced by any of the older tribes that is now part of the wider Igbo nation. Igbo as a baby language couldn't have influenced a much older Edo just as a baby America couldn’t have influenced England English linguistically.

Any word that is share between Edo and Igbo was contributed by the Edo people that are now part of the Igbo nation, likewise any words shared between modern Igbo and Ikwerre, same as Ijaw, Ibibio, Igala, etc.

There are Igala words in Igbo language, not Igbo words in Igala language because Igbo is the hybrid. This is why an Edo, Igala, Ikwerre, Ijaw, Ibibio etc are able to pick few words from the modern hybrid Igbo language when it's spoken. Same way an Igbo speaker is also able to pick from various languages around her when they are spoken.

Most Igbo word have their roots outside Igbo land, you can't say an Ikwerre word is linguistically Igbo, it's the other way round, an Igbo word could be linguistically Ikwerre, Ijaw, Igala, Edo, Ibibio, etc because these are some of the foundations or founding members of modern Igbo nation. The word Igbo didn't even exist few centuries back.

If Nigeria is able to create a common language today, that language is likely going to borrow from the various ethnic nationalities that make up Nigeria and most of the words in the new language will have their roots in these various nationalities. The new Nigeria language will be the hybrid language. This is what Igbo is.

What people like you are doing is trying to erase the contributions of other older cultures to the wider Igbo nation in your quest to build a pan Igbo nation, this is why some of you become very hostile to any Igbo that traces their origin outside the south east.

This mentality is akin to the Nazi Adolf Hitler aryan race experiments that led to the second World War. Igbo is not a homogenous or monolithic tribe. The wider Igala nation knows their contribution to today's Igbo nation just the way the Edo nation knows her contribution to today's Igbo nation.

Not all tribes in the south South you call Igbo is comfortable with the Igbo identity.

MrBrownJay1:


of course not....tell her you aint "ready" yet.

RedboneSmith:

The peculiar thing about Ijaw 'ethnic' identity is that it doesn't always align with linguistic realities. Indeed, Obolo speak a language that is a close relative of Ibibio. But they are not the only 'Ijaw' group that doesn't speak an Ijaw dialect as their mother tongue. Engenni and Epie are linguistically Edoid subgroups. Abua, Ogbia and Odual speak closely related non-Ijaw dialects collectively called Central Delta languages. Opobo is Igbo-speaking. And the Apoi of the Western Zone don't speak Ijaw, but Yoruba. Omoyele Sowore (notice the Yoruba names) comes from Apoi of the Western Zone.

Ologbo147:
It is seven local government area and not 5, besides you have no proof whatsoever that Bini is the smallest down south, we are the smallest in the south and we are arguably the most visible minority in the entertainment industry, we have the Likes of Nosa Rex Okunzuwa, Linda Osifo, Osas Ighodaro,Sam loco Efe(wmonkiyeke), Enado Odigie, Etinosa Idemudia, Babatunde Okungbowa,-(Ojb Jezreel)Efe Omoregbe-2 face's long time manager and friend and board member Coson, Rema-divine Ikubor, Ik Osagioduwa-one of the biggest presenters in Nigeria, Jonny drille- John Ighodaro, djinee-Osayawmen Donald, Mercy Aigbe,Jemima Osunde, Cynthia Morgan, Owen gee-comedian, Youngest Landlord-Comedian,mc casino- comedian and others,Lancelot Oduwa Imasuen-One of the biggest producers on the Nollywood scene, Charles Novia (Igbinovia)-also another exceptional producer,Sarz on the beat-Osabuohien Osaretin

And also we are the most visible minority in terms of travel, when you leave Nigeria, the minority you likely meet from Nigeria is the Bini. I have seen such comments from Andre Uweh and other Nairalanders which I can screenshot if you want me to

Even our local Movie industry is the most powerful and the most celebrated among the minorities

People have vowed here on nairaland they barely met an Ijaw yet they are mouthed to be more Numerous than the Bini
Tell me which minority is as visible on the entertainment scene as the Bini, unless there is a sincere census we cannot ascertain the minority in the south

Widespread does not insinuate which is larger for all we care Urhonigbe, Abudu and other Eastern Benin communities might have been severed into Delta state and the Binis will say oh we have strong Edo (presense)communities in Delta state. For that fact we are larger than the others. Because of presense of less than 40000 Ofoni in Bayelsa state, the Urhobos claim the 5th largest group, Ijaw on the Other hand claim 4th largest because of the three Ward they have in Edo state, one of them I think Oduna is Also shared between Bini and Ijaw communities, Bini communities like Oduna, Ugbine, Ughoton and others is present in that Ward, while in Delta state, the only senatorial district they occupy, they share strongly with the Isoko, Itsekiri and the Urhobo. Isoko with two local government, Itsekiri majority in one of the warri councills and strong presence in two others, Urhobo Majority in warri south. Even their Bayelsa state is the least populated in the country, some(nairalanders )persons have sworn that they ve not met an Ijaw in their lives. Edo south is the most populated senatorial district in Edo state and one of the most populated in the south south

Local government is not a yardstick for population strength, it is most times not close to, Oredo today is among the most populated local government in the country and it is just one local government, Oredo can be divided into 5 and numerically they will all stand. The same with Egor and Ikpoba Okha. Even Ovia North East now.

Unless there is a sincere census in the country we cannot ascertain the least populated tribe in the south. Most of the other tribe only became 4th and 5th largest group with their mouth no proof.

The requirement for the creation of a local government numerically in Nigeria is as low as 50000 so local government is not a Yardstick, not one even close to. Edo south as a senatorial district did as much as 1. 3 million in voters registration bigger with 400000 above Ekiti state in 2019. Ekiti with 16 local government, Bini with 7, you can't give what you don't have. It is not a Yardstick at all. The entire cross river state with eighteen local government areas which the Efik is a part of did 1.5million in voters registration while Edo south as a single senatorial district did as high as 1.3million. Again you can't give what you don't have. The same cross river state that was said to be numerically stronger than Edo state in the 2006 population Census yet Edo state left her behind with a whopping 600,000 in voters registration. Facts like these will always expose the insincere census the country conducted in 2006.

What about Osun state with 30 local government is light years(500000) behind Edo state(with eighteen local government areas,of which the major chunk of the population in the state came from the Bini speaking areas) in terms of voters registration for a state
that was said to be more numerically stronger than Edo in 2006.

Little wonder the Otaru of Auchi feared a Bini domination in the state in 1996 where he had wanted a separate state for the Esans and the Afemai, in his words Edo south was big enough to stand alone, what does the Otaru know that you don't know? Find out https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/otaru-of-auchi-how-we-lost-out-in-the-bid-to-create-afemesan-state/&ved=2ahUKEwjpk5Ot_OL0AhWNxYUKHfaDDmoQFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0LaFfDTyS-rnpL90Yyv0Qu This is a link to the interview you can read it all

malali:
Hahaha....not one single Ibo Governor has put his weight behind Peter Obi .....

Where does Obi want to win ?? On Nairaland ? On social media ? Abi na Gombe or Zaria go vote Obi

Obi is the most delusional candidate in this election.......Eventually EFCC will expose Obi after the elections is done....Mr Righteous in Nigeria.......Taaaaaahhhh !!!! Comot there...!!!!

PS: I do not have a preferred candidate, all of them are scams