scholes0:


Infact, the whole art of Igun Eronmwon and Ide (Iron and brass) came from Ife, not just the Ine.

The Binis were already ironsmith from time immemorial, infact according to the Oba, it was bronze smith that came from ife

scholes0:


Infact, the whole art of Igun Eronmwon came from Ife, not just the Ine.

This is not true according to what we have, igueghae went to learn the art and came back to teach locals

scholes0:
Edigin and Olo (1 & 2)

Ine of Igun (3)

Ihogbe (4)

Infact, I have virtually covered all the families I mentioned.

this one seem like a mythical tale, no where was it Even stated where ine of igun came from

scholes0:


lol... Okay, here is what I am going to do... I am going to list each name I mentioned and attach the proof f their Ife pedigree.
Oloton, Bamawo, Osa, Osuan, The Oba.... you've agreed.

Attached below are the following: (pic1)
Ojomo and Odofin
Osolo and Oloton
Oliha and Ine
Aro and Elemo

Ehendiwo: (pic2 & 3)

Ogieva, Ihama and Oloton: (pic 4)

Ezomo'n'Uzebu as an example is from Ewohimi in Esanland, his descendants greet la-ogiesan. I can use that video you posted earlier to debunk this work. No Uzamas came from Ife

What is Aywaw and which of his son was called Bini, all these works does not add up they seem like strange history

And also not all Ihogbe chiefs are hereditary, some are by appointment

scholes0:


He said he and the entire Esogban family came from ife oooo.
Are you saying Eogban family comes from Ife with one mouth, and saying he didn't with another?

Are you denying that the Ihogbe chiefs are from Ife also?

Or Osa and Osuan?

Or the Ine of Igun?

Or Eriyo aka Obo Oronmila of ife?

Or Edigin, Ehendiwo and Bamawo?

Since you know of the Oloton's pedigree, what will you say about the Elama below?

See scholes0 there is nothing like an Esogban family, it is not hereditary, it was a title created by Oba Ewedo alongside with Iyase, Uso, Eson, Esama etc these are town chiefs, they are not bastardization of what you have in yorubaland, on the death of an Esogban, the title is given to another family whom the Oba seems fit, one of the patriarch of the Iyamu family has been Esogban before. to be specific he was talking about his Edebiri family.

The Ihogbe chiefs are all not from Ife. Where is your proof[b][/b]

I know of Bamawo, I have read of Osa and Osuan, the others you cannot just claim without going down to verify.

Also this is the strength of our argument, you listed several names and titles up to about thirty, when some are not hereditary and some were created by Oba Ewedo and other kings then you just assume they are all from Ife, even the Uzamas Don't deviate,

Eson, Ero, Edigin, Ogbebor n'Usen, the Oba, the whole of the Ihogbe class of Chiefs and their descendants who are the official keepers of the Oba's Pedigree and History (Uheloro, Letema, Uhe Obioba, Uheluyi, Ihama, Legema and co), Osa and Osuan, the Adun, The Ine of Igun casters and his people, the Esogban, Eriyo, Elema, Eholo, Bamawo, Ehendiwo, Oloton, the Ogbe sasa chiefs like the Olukotun and Olukohi .

Odofin (Edohen), Olifa (Oliha) and Aro (Ero). I

scholes0:


Okay you no wan do Quid pro Quo, but I will engage you none the less, and that is because you are at least level headed.

Listen to the Asogbon (Esogban) of Benin. From 09:47 to 10:30


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZQZl-yyNqE&t=812s

Respond with what you hear him say.

He is talking about his Esogban family, I pasted this video on a past argument with my kinsmen I already know this, I know also of that of Oloton. I meant all the families I quoted, even the Uzamas

scholes0:


I will give you, but will you agree with the TRUTH after I give you?

Let me see it first, don't give me conditions, I am not the only spectator here

scholes0:


Okay which of them?

where the Esogban said all the families there migrated from Ife Even the Uzamas

scholes0:


What interviews? The Esogban and the Ine amongst others said it with their own mouths. I am not assuming.
Don't worry, I know it might be hard to agree.

Said it that all the families there came from Ife? Where is the source

scholes0:


While that might be true that they may have been monolingual in Edo by now, they for sure would still have their pedigree intact. There are countless families in Oredo and Benin metro generally that are well aware of their Ife origins.
The families of; Eson, Ero, Edigin, Ogbebor n'Usen, the Oba, the whole of the Ihogbe class of Chiefs and their descendants who are the official keepers of the Oba's Pedigree and History (Uheloro, Letema, Uhe Obioba, Uheluyi, Ihama, Legema and co), Osa and Osuan, the Adun, The Ine of Igun casters and his people, the Esogban, Eriyo, Elema, Eholo, Bamawo, Ehendiwo, Oloton, the Ogbe sasa chiefs like the Olukotun and Olukohi ... and so on, on, on, on....forth.
The Yoruba presence in Benin is very numerous... Benin city is littered with place names of these Yoruba people, although they are all Benins today.

The presence of Yorubas in Benin preceded Oranmiyan, that is what many don't know (or don't want to agree with, because it breaks with a certain narrative), people want to conviniently agree that Yorubas only started flowing towards Benin/Edo with the Oranyan episode, that is untrue. In fact, let me blow your mind - The Uzama who facilitated the settling of Oranmiyan in the vicinity of Benin were already on ground since the early time of the Ogiso) I am talking of the likes of the Odofin (Edohen), Olifa (Oliha) and Aro (Ero). It is no wonder they shielded their brother from the tumults of Benin when Oranmiyan was trying to settle until he left again. The Ogiso-Ife link will make complete sense to any one who is willing to look with an open mind.

On the rest of what you said, I am glad you agree that the writers were not making up stuff.

Have you gone to interview every family there and you are certain they came from Ife or yoruba or it is because their names sound alike with what you have in Yoruba land, you suggest they are from yoruba. Maybe I should take automaticmotors serious and stop arguing with you.

AutomaticMotors:
Ugbe634 you are arguing Edo history with scholes0 a Yoruba boy from "Ondo"..... You are unbelievable sometimes, let me just let you know this right now!!!

should I now let him matchete our history because he is an Ondo man, I have always said that when I argue here, I am not trying to convince anyone who would not want to be convinced but it is for the wider audience to read and see that which is true between my argument and his,-posterity sake.

scholes0:


While it is nice and all to defend the 'Edoness' of Udo this passionately (I would do the same if it were me), you can't possibly be saying all those people cooked up accounts of what they met and decided to lie 'on' the Udo people out of thin air. If there's one thing I have observed about some of these neutral party writings about Nigerian cultures, it is that they try to write to the best of their observation of what they saw and traditions they met.

You for example, claim that in Edo affairs, Udo is supreme - but the actual core of Benin society today which is BENIN CITY would actually disagree vehemently with you, and that was why I asked you that preceding question. You on the other hand only agreed because you knew what would happen if you disagreed. At any rate, Udo as the core of Edo people is an era long gone.

You didn't address any of the points I raised but rather pointed to linguistic evidence and oral accounts alone, while stating that it bodes on you to defend your heritage. While it MIGHT be true that the retention of Yorubanisms is weaker now in Udo than it is in Benin, that is because Benin actually defeated udo and many of its residents fled either to Benin or back west. The ton became empty and desolate and did not start growing again until around the 70s or so. Besides, Benin has been the capital and nexus of Edo people since then. Udo was neglected by the Uhe courts as Benin was the new capital.

In the 1940s P.R Page recorded a Benin tradition that Igodo who first ruled at Udo was not Edo but actually IFE. This was before the second Ife derived dynasty that produced the culture of those in the Usen-Utese axis that were able to retain their dialects because they were; (1) closer in time; (2) in continual touch with Ife.

Anyways, all that being said - It is already rare enough to find a Benin man that is willing to accept the truth about the source of Benin's present ruling dynasty... most deny it outrightly. One on this forum is even saying the story of Oduduwa and Oranyan never existed and that it was cooked up in the Western region of old. Expecting you to accept some other things I am bringing to limelight might be too forward of a push from myself, and I wouldn't expect you to just agree, not at all. So alas, nice one.

That Udo is older is not in doubt at all, Udo is older and supreme in terms of age and historical importance, you can tell folklores of Udo up to four thousand years. there is a festival or ceremony that is done in Benin, I can't place my hand on the name right now, when they are done doing it, One of the fore-man in the festival would cry with a loud voice nomarehe vbe nor ya he vbu udo, ari-eman gha riu udo ne" meaning who has not eaten let him go and eat in Udo, Eman ( pounded yam) has been taken to Udo. That shows the supremacy of Udo as our foremost town, now Udo is old, she is so ancient as compare to Benin, Benin might not even be older than Urhonigbe, what is going for her is that she is the present seat of the Oba. What made the Court of Uhe chose Benin over Udo might be because she is at the centre of Benin.

The culture of Utesse and Usen was not preserved because it is recent and because they kept in touch but rather because they migrated as a group and secondly because they are at the edge, I bet you if any or both of them had gone to settle at the centre, they would have been swallowed up by now and speak Edo as a mono-dialect.

Time is not even a factor for Udo not been yoruba speaking, it never happened, there was never a yoruba civilization in Udo, Udo was always peopled and a steady rival to Benin just like Ugo, it was not until the reign of the Warrior king Oba Esigie before Udo was finally subdued.

I am not faulting the chroniclers, but the persons who gave out the Information, You cannot override the influence of the Oba on Udo and every other Benin community. The first port of call historically was usually the Palace, especially as it pertains to the history of the people. If you want to get pure Edo history, go and ask Urhobo or Etsako, then merge it with the story of the local Binis and Esan then you will know who is telling the truth and a lie, as against the Oba of Bini story who has successfully made Edo history- yoruba history.

scholes0:


Good. Now that we have established that, check what the people of Udo originally claimed to have come from according to histographers like Darling and notes from the Partridge report in the two screenshots below.

Do you know why Benin's extensive system of deterring moats (iya) was mainly built to focus on and block influence from the eastern flank, and virtually none can be found towards west in the Usen-Udo-Siluko area (Iyekovia) adjoining Ondo even though Udo and Benin were bitter rivals for a very long period of history? The people to the west of the Osse (Ovia) river were NEVER at any time seen as enemies to either of Benin or Udo and they needed to keeep the constant tandemic communication between the Edo and the Yoruba of ife via the Ukoluhe (messengers of Ife) going smoothly and uninterrupted.

Infact, the most important historical and archaeological facts about Benin always point to this area in one way or the other. All the mothers of the early Obas of Benin came from behind the Osse river, up till very much later when the mothers of the Obas started to coming from the Orhiomwon area and further east side.

I don't think that Oral account was gotten from Udo, if it was it is not what I will take so seriously, and these are the reasons for it,
1. there is no sign of yorubaness in Udo, it is not that they migrated to the centre and say okay maybe they were submerged, for example that of Usen is so easy to believe, one can understand that they migrated down and were not submerged totally since they are at the edge,they still manage to retain their dialect alongside incorporating the language of the natives they met on ground. what about Utesse, they seem to speak a strange dialect that seem to be a mixture of yoruba and Edo. so when they talk about their yoruba antecedent, it is easier to believe, but on the other hand, Udo speak pure Bini, and is the house for the mightiest shrine in Idu or Edo land which is the Eriwmin-Idu.

today it is hard not to go online and see an Edo man from other tribal descent maybe Esan or Urhobo talking about Igodomigodo and Idu and featuring Udo, and as they feature Udo, they will be telling you that the yoruba people came around, that is why their group migrated. There is nothing you will tell me scholes0, Udo is the town with the largest tales of migration, Etsako, Esan, Urhobo, Ijaw,they can't all be lying,they couldn't have migrated from there and seem to have very related dialects with Bini and other regions. Udo seem to be the very core of what the very Edo race stand for, Urhobo, Esan, Etsako, Benin etc. the earlier history seem to be influenced by the Oba of Benin and it is just recently after the fall out with the Oba's line that is when the Iyase begun telling his history his own way. If she did migrated from Ife, how did she submerge totally to now become the core of the Edo race, when she is at the periphery, we know Udo to be very ancient and our core. Udo is a strong aboriginal community that is in the western flank. alongside with oral traditions, other facts should help in substantiating these things, it is on these basis that I find this not to be true

If you are talking about the importance of towns in the Edo race, Udo is first, it is the primal town of all Edo people, Udo's influence extend properly beyond Bini even into other Edo tribes, when you see other Edo tribes talk about migrating from Benin , they are not talking about Benin city, they are talking about Udo,

The second would be Benin, then Urhonigbe. Udo is the uniting chord of all Edo people, it is Like the Ife of the yoruba people, there is no way she would have migrated from Ife and not distribute her yoruboid trait, there is no way Udo is a Migrants town from Ife and we are not yorubas, there is no way, because the migrant population from Udo is far larger than any other Benin community.

There are variations but Udo is at the core of what Edo is, the oldest families in Benin is from Udo

Lastly Edo is not a corruption of Udo nor was it gotten from it, vive-versa, what we have is that the name Edo was that of a servant who helped the Oba in ascending the throne and in turn the Oba named the Bini city and country they are distinct and light years apart, they did not in anyway affected each others name.

It is not believable, Udo is at the periphery, she is not yoruba speaking, she does not even speak it as one of her dialect, she does not even speak a mix, she speak super pure Bini that a man from The Eastern flank of Urhonigbe and Oza would not have any trouble comprehending. My brother Oudobo does not add up. My brother there is no community that is more Edo than Udo, if at all Udo migrated, then every other Bini communities migrated.

Neccesity is laid on me to defend what is ours, and that I would do passionately, Udo is not a Migrants town at all let alone being one from the south west. Udo is our core, I am an eastern Bini man but I tell you this with all confidence, Udo is our core and our rallying point not just for the Binis but for the entire Edo race. Intuitively and instinctively you will just know it is not true

babasolution:


There's some sense,okpameri is not a culture, it was just an alliance that was established by the villages to form a united front against Nupe invasion.Anyways I dnt have concrete evidence of ogori ekpe connection ,however it's what looking into.

sir Okpamheri is a language, it is an Edo tribe

scholes0:


So you agree that Udo is older than Benin?

it is

scholes0:


I am not arguing with you that if I go there now they won't agree with that narrative. I even told you that the narrative there has actually changed.
Only telling you that that account existed, and it was documented. Even people like Talbot, and later on the likes of Egharevba talked about it when they documented how Udo was the first abode of Ogiso.

they might not have gone to Udo, to the Oba, going to Udo will not be necessary,( as to him, he is the custodian of the culture and traditions of Edo people) the people who were interviewed were certainly from the Oba's court in Benin city. The Oba tell the history of these communities on their behalf. with Ife appearing everywhere, it is obvious that this is the Oba and Egharevba's narrative, it is only just recently aborigines who are not comfortable with such started speaking out, and the internet now is helping,go to these various communities Even in Esan and Urhobo, and the local Bini communities, you will find out that the history of the Ogisos is one way not featuring any yoruba and the numbers are the same but that that of the palace Is starkly different, then when you go to the Oba's palace, it is different

scholes0:


Actually the people of Udo also agreed and had this narrative that they came from the west of Nigeria. They were a powerful rival to Benin until they were defeated in the Benin-Udo war, and the majority of them returned to the Ufe area. Many didn't get to Uhe and settled across the Ondo region. It is this dispersal from the war that some like the Iyase and some prominent chief in Udo turned around at about the 70s/80s to say the Ondo people originated from them.

And where is Ufe located, ? Go to Udo and not that poorly researched work that christ is truth pasted some time ago with visible faults everywhere , Udo is a traditional community and one of our oldest, I would want you to go there interviewing the elders and the king in that community,. I bet my life no one will tell you any Ogiso came from Ife, maybe I might even do so one of these days, when I have the chance to interview the people on their history and the history of the Ogisos when I have the chance to.

I have never heard nor read of the Udo coming from the west, it has always been the other way round. Udo did not migrate from anywhere, they are strong aborigines, Udo was a rallying force for all Edos, not just the Binis. Udo is older than Ondo, seeing how "edonized" some of these Ondo communities are, it is actually to the fact that Ondos migrated and sank into the yoruba sea

Presently are you aware Obaseki another Bini man is trying to Balkanize Benin and give strong legitimacy to the other Benin stools, so those linking to the Ogiso owodo and retracing other Ogiso to Ife is generally for the survival of the Oba stool

scholes0:


Many seasoned Historians and some Edo oral tradition disagrees.

scholes0 I like the way you place words, but I would want you to have an understanding of some of these issues, what we find is that to obtain legitimacy from the People, the yoruboid set of Binis seem to want to "yorubanize" Bini history both local and "foreign", whatever we do we should understand that Bini is not really one sect and everyone has the right to tell their history regardless of who is more famous and prominent and we also have a right to accept what we should accept, we have seven main kings in Benin which are (1)Oba of Benin
(2.)Ogie-amien of Utantan
(3)Iyase of Udo
(4) Enogie of Ugo
5 Okaevbo of Urhonigbe
6 Enogie of Egor
7. Elawure of Usen
These stools


it is only perhaps in the mouth of yoruba affiliated kings and people that you will hear of Ogiso coming from Ife, which are the Oba of Benin and Olu-awure of Usen and other yoruba affiliated people, we had moonlight tales in Benin then growing up when Benin was not this urban, it should still be there in the villages, not for once did I hear of any Ogiso coming from Ife, I only read it for the first time on nairaland .

The Oba and the Usen people are not qualified to tell the history of the Ogisos, they don't have the locus-standi to tell it. The Ogisos and her history predates their existence in Benin. The history of the Ogisos is entirely a local business. a business of the aborigines

olaboy33:
This begs the questions if health conditions are a function of individual lifestyle or probably gene configuration.

my brother

scholes0:


Oga, I haven't even said Ogori are Yoruba, I am only disputing your spurious claim that Ogori are either of Idomoid or Edoid... which are both VERY false, Why are you typing a letter? .
When did you live in Benin? During the time of the Edo sky skings from Ife or during our second dynasty of Owomika (Eweka)?

That any sky king branched out from Ife is not true, it is in fact not in tandem with reality

Olu317:
Leave these pro Yoruba/Ibo ancient relationship theorists.

All these linguistic relationship between ibo and Yoruba came to be a result of Igala influx into Eastern Region. And the time frame is about six hundred years or thereabout.

There is no iota of doubt about this fact. Core linguistic comparison between Yoruba and Ibo is farfetched.

Igala not Edo, thank you because some of the words for something as basic as body parts,sleep,disease etc between Edo and yoruba/Igbo seem to be starkly different

naijaman2225:
IT MAY BE MORE THAN THAT. OVIA NORTH EAST LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND AKOKO EDO LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAVE LOTS OF LANGUAGES.

It is not up to

in Edo south, you have the
1. Binis which make up to 95 percent majority in
Edo south
2.The Igbankes(Igbo
3. Ijaws
4. Itsekiris in Ologbo
5 Utesse and Egbetta are yorubas, their oral account of migration points to that, Egbetta migrated from Oba Akoko in Ondo state, their oral migration account talks about the fact that the full meaning of Egbetta means 200 in 3 places. It might not be the yoruba you are used to, I think it is a yoruba dialect if studied,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s61AzEwcFE
daum


Edo central-
6 Esans
Illushi- an Igala dialect but they are fast loosing their language now and becoming Esan speaking

Edo north-
7.Etsako
8. Owan
9. Okpamheri-There are twenty three villages in Okpamheri tribe, they are
Ibillo
Imoga
Ekpesa
Somorika
Ogbe
Ogugu
Ayanuzo
Lampese
Ikiran Oke
Ikiran Ile
Aiyegunle
Eshawa
Ugboshi Afe
Ugboshi Ile
Ekhor
Ojah
Ojirami petesi
Ojirami Afekenu
Sasaro
Makeke
Bekuma
Dagbala
Ekpo
10. Uneme-Uzanu is the capital of the Uneme people,

Uneme-Ologua
Uneme-Aiyetoro
Uneme-Ekpedo
Uneme-Anegbette
Uneme-Udochi
Uneme-Nekhua
Uneme-Erhurum
Uneme-Aki-osu
Uneme-Akpama

11. Igarra (etuno) an Ebira dialect
12. Ososo
13. Okpe-Idesa-Akuku
When you do some proper classification of these groups, it would not be up to 17 let alone being more than.

Athemisia:


What about Pidgin English??....
as for Urhobo, there are about 17 different dialects alone in delta State. There are others right here in Bayelsa and also in Edo state...

There is none in Edo state

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lookgood4us:
Please what is mid night Nigeria language? Trying to solve children's home work. Mod please move to appropriate section where it can receive attention. Thank you.

There is nothing like a midwestern Nigerian language, you have the Edoid group of languages which is obviously the largest chunk (Edo(Bini), Urhobo, Esan, Etsako,Isoko, Owan, Okpamheri, Uneme, etc, The Igbo groups-Aniocha, Ukwuani, Ika, Oshimili, Igbanke,etc you have the Ijoid groups- Egbema, Olodiama, Gbaramatu and others, the yoruboid groups-Itsekiri, these are just about the languages that were spoken in the then midwestern region that are today known as Edo and Delta states

I don't believe you are Edo, eventhough you keep claiming so, but while you are claiming to be Edo, you are also attacking the Oba of Benin and other Edos.

There is nothing like constantly attacking the Oba of Benin and Edo people, because I said the Oba is from Ile-Ife did not in anyway insinuate an attack on his person. himself agreed to at least have something to do with Ile-ife or because I reeled out some of the policies he embarked upon which are not favourable to the course of the Binis today is what you term "constantly attacking the Oba of Benin quote any of my comment in which I talked about the Oba of Benin outside of these two areas and tell me how these comments can be termed attack,

Please quote any of my comment where I have attacked other Edo people (except your dunderhead disciple, gregyboy who insulted me first and I gave back in equal measure,the others we discussed as mature men without insult bringing up fact here and there)and comment outside as it pertains to the Oba of Benin where I admitted that the Oba at least has something to do with Ile-ife whether going to or coming from as he himself agrees to and also about the policies he embarked upon and how it can be termed attack, I challenge you

Even paul rebuked peter, the head of the church in the Bible, Appolos doctrine was different from that of Paul, let's live bro, the sky is big enough for everyone

You are not the one sharing the Edo identity, it is an Identity bestowed on me by my ancestors through my father, it is an Identity I am very proud of, it is not an Identity which anyone can take away from me , anyone that seems to comment along your thoughts process is an Edo, anyone that comments differently is not, we are not robots or cowards in my family, we tell elders where they've erred, that does not mean we don't love them, if I don't love the Oba of Benin, I won't bother to defend him,this section is replete with my comment where I have strongly defended the Oba passionately, these are some of them, I would have ignored this, but I would not be here forever. You cannot label me because I did not follow your "there is no Ogiso talk"

Atigba:


He is Yoruba..
Lol


That is your history book little one. You don't even read your history.

Oba of Benin and Usen people are proudly Yorubas.

The natives in Benin are proudly Esan descendants.

That already tell me you are yoruba my brother, yorubas have always been known for their imposter nature

The Oba will behead you for calling him yoruba even you will not be spared by the Usen people if you call them such, the Oba, the Usens and every other groups in Edo south except Igbankes, less than 30,000 Ijaws and the about 8-10 thousand native Itsekiris identify as Edo and are so proud of their Edo identity. Take care little one

Idiot did not even know that there are pure Binis in delta and Ondo, they identify as such, we have some that migrated to Benin city here, go and tell the Oza-nogogo maths teacher from delta state based in france in culture section that he is not Edo and watch your head leave your body if you tell him physically. That guy is more aggressive towards Edo activities more than we from Edo state,

Atigba:


Lol....VERY GOOD.

You have started admitting the truth, that Usen people even speak Yoruba. Haha Haha.

Oba is a Yoruba

you are an idiot, same way Ekpon speak Ika(an Igboid dialect and Esan, that is the same way Usen speak Usen, (a yoruboid language) related or close to yoruba and Edo, is that not what I meant by Bilingual, or are you a slowpoke, where did I ever deny they speak yoruboid language alongside Edo how they got it is even debatable, they are very close to yorubaland, it might just still be border issues, same way with Ehor and Ekpon,

The Oba is not Yoruba, he identifies as Edo, he speaks Edo only, and all names they bore up till date are totally intelligible to Edos, the Oba will behead you for calling him yoruba, I promise you

Just open up, I know you are from Osogbo

Atigba:


What is Bin-lingual ...Lol.

Usen people are Yoruba like your Oba.

Oza people are not Edo or Bini


The original Benin language stemmed from Esanland in 500AD, before it was influenced by Yoruba imigrants.

my yoruba brother,stop claiming what you are not, Usens speak both Edo and Yoruba, it is common knowledge Even to a 2 year old in Edo state, except for the imposter nobody called Atigba, my Oba is not yoruba, you might be beheaded for calling him such

OZAS are full Binis and we consider them as such, that is the most important thing, Ehor

Ehor are also full Binis and we consider them as such same with Usen

Atigba:


Lol


Stop lying. Oza is not Edo. Usen fully speak Yoruba dialect as their history trace them back to Ille Ife. Same with your Oba.

Ehor people are Esan descendants.

Edo is not a tribe or language.

when the nobody from Osogbo has lost an argument, he resorts to tantrums

Even pry 2 student know Usen are Bi-linguals, and they are part of the seventy families in Benin, I don't see how Ekpon will be Esan and Usen is not

Ozas are full Edos and they regards themselves as such,we regard them as such too cry me a river yorubastard

Ehor are full Edos and regards themselves as such, cry me a river slow yorubastard

Igueben is regarded as Bini by an insider Okojie, cry me a river

Esan dialect is regarded by qualified linguist as an Edo dialect

Atigba:


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You are a fraud.

You can't even spell Okojie well. Show me his book where he classified Igueben kingdom founded by Esan warrior called Eben as speaking Bini language. Igueben speak Esan dialect.

I am Esan.

Oza people are not Bini or Edo.

Is Igbanke Bini?

The answer is No.

In Edo South, there are many ethnic nationalities there. Igbanke, some Oza who are majorly in Delta. Itsekiri, Usen, Ijaws etc.

Ehor people are descendants of Esan and they are not Bini originally. Hence, their linguistic is more or less Esan. They weren't influenced by Yoruba speakers who are mostly settled in Central Benin.

Benin speak a dialect of Esan but mixed with Ife ikedu dialect.

Our languages evolved from the Niger Benue Confluence area.

Benin language separated from Esanland in 500AD.

The natives in Benin are imigrants from Esanland.

The Yorubas came to dwell among them via Orominyan in 13 century.

yoruba man shut up, I spelt it as Okojie, Esan native law and customs, Usens are Bi-linguals and are Edos, and they Identify as such just as it is with Ekpon who are Bi-linguals and are Esans

Ehor are full Edos and they identify as such, the same with Oza, their uniqueness in language is because of the border proximity to Esans and nothing more, it is the same thing with other tribes at every border in other states, Igbankes are not Edos

If you go to Oza and say they are not Edos, you might be beheaded yoruba man, I am very certain of that, Hans melzian is a qualified linguist scholar and she regards the Esan as dialects of Bini

Atigba:


I an Esan not Yoruba.

Benin only have one language, the Oza people are not Bini. Ehor people are mostly indigenous Esans because of their proximity to Esan kingdoms. Yoruba Ife Ikedu dialects didn't influence them. Like others in central Benin where the Yorubas settled.

You are a li** ar which linguistic expert classified Esan language as Bini dialect.

What Professor Elugbe did was to choose a name to call our languages which stemmed from the Niger Benue Confluence area. It was Oriakhi in Benin who propagate Edo language just the way you are making fabrications now.

I disagreed with the Edo narrative. Because Edo was a sl@ve not a language or tribe.

See a book by Dr. HARUNA, what Professor Elugbe said about our language and migration.

Stop quoting Okojie because you have never read his book.

The dictionary screenshot you have there is a fraud composed in Benin. This is not even a history book. Thank God you said dictionary ��

first of all you are a bloody yorubastard

Second you said Bini has only one dialect, which I have debunked with that excerpt, Ozas are Edos and they identify fully as such, I am sure you might have your self beheaded if you go say it in their community that they are not Binis, There are enough Musicians from Oza extract in Benin, Fabomo, iyonawman stanley, Naomi Ehigie, Richard Ugiagbe, and others

Ehor are part of the seventy families in Benin and each of them greet a certain way, their dialect is unique because of their proximity to Esan and yes we can still understand it and we accept them as full Binis,

The Ehor greet Dela-Eho, this family salutation is what goes to cement their "Bininess" as

The Person that classified Esan as Edo or Bini dialects is a qualified linguist which is more important in this case Hans melzian is a known name in the world of linguistics, what about Atigba, he is a nobody

Okojie is a foremost Nigerian historian, he is from Esan and he is well known, I am not Okojie, what about Atigba, he is a nobody

Okojie added Igueben to it,I am not Okojie, Okojie is an insider and verified, that is why he is aware Igueben is Bini linguistically, Atigba an imposter whose place of origin cannot be verified