Benin classics from which source? You came to Edo land and asked a Yoruba man living in Benin city our history and you call it Edo classics. There is no way you talk about this issue and it would not seem like you are insulting the Oba of Benin. But there are visible autochthonous families visibly opposed to the ideals and narratives of the Oba of Benin.

They even consider his status as a foreigner. According to them they gave him land to settle on. Such one cannot be authority on our native history no matter how big he appears to be on the outside. Benin classics from one who is considered a foreigner in Benin land.


That you are seeing on Edo blogs that he is from Benin is the true story/it does not negate its authenticity. As Edos especially Binis, we are not low self esteem people that get our history/historical validation in Textbooks, our history were taught to us at home, we only grew up and found a different narrative written/influenced by Yoruba people/narrative given by Yoruba influenced Binis.

Autochthonous Binis who were dissatisfied just became more emboldened/ fearless/ in challenging the one told by the palace which is wrong and they will tell it anyway via which ever channel they deem fit. There is no new modern narrative anywhere, it depends on who they asked and who is telling, it has been there long before your ancestors came from anywhere. It just still tells of the same situation in Lagos state where there are Awori Binis and the pure Aworis, when you ask the Awori Binis, like Erelu who founded Lagos, they will point you to Benin, when you ask the pure aworis, they will tell you there is nothing like that. I am not standing on which side is true now that is not the idea. But there are different narratives by different factions from different ancestry and all sides should be look into. The fact one was told first and put into writing does not negate the authenticity of the other account or in anyway insinuate that it is new. That logic does not work. The other account is as old as time. Even older than that of the palace. Go to villages in Benin, where network does not get to, where they don’t even have light to watch tv. Go to the interiors of these villages. An eight year old will tell you the history of Ogiso and where Igodo and other ogisos came from and that is the same thing i learnt in the seventies when i grew up ditto my father. That it is new, it is only in your imagination. 90% of Other Binis in other fields like engineering etcwill also be taken aback if they manage to take a sneak peak into history and find this your narrative.

How you know a history that is a sham in the first place is one that is at least not known to at least 10% of the population until they read it in a book. I have openly challenged my brothers here and none could repel what i have i have said. At the very least, at least anywhere from 60 to 80 percent of the population of Binis know that the Oba at least has something to do with Oduduwa. But this very Igodo narrative, you are pushing, i can tell you you will be fought with when you narrate it in Benin city

A Yoruba man by ancestry that became Edo by naturalization cannot tell our history.

Christistruth00:


In other words you think Oba Erediauwa was lying when he said Obagodo of Ile Ife and his followers from Ife founded Igodomigodo Kingdom which is now Benin

Are you mad? What else do you want from me

My points is succinct and clear, if you have a brain, it is so easy to comprehend.

The Ogiamen are not less Binis, they are even more, their opinions should matter to you too. They have a different opinion on that issue

Christistruth00:



In other Words you are saying Oba Erediauwa lied when he said Obagodo of Ile Ife and his Followers Established the Benin Kingdom and Ogiso dynasty

Ogiamen family always say Oba of Benin is from Ile Ife and the Ekhalerderhan Story is nonsense

is it not obvious enough, or you like selective truth, i am telling you to not only quote other families when it suits and throw their narrative in the thrash can when it does not. I have to use the Ogiamen family because it is mighty as well. I am telling you selective truth will not help you and it will not make you whole

The same Ogiamen family will not agree with you that Igodo came from Ife, that is my point, you don’t care about that or you hellbent on taking the one that suits you alone

funmijoyb:

The major tribe ancient Bini people came from is the Ishan or Esan. Can you tell me the name of your tribe before Oranmiyan came to Igodomigodo? Please answer this question.

Esans are the Aborigines of Igodomigodo( present day Benin) bf Ile-Ife people migrated and seized it via Oba. The Itsekiris are more related to Yoruba compared to Edo. Let an Itsekiri speak I will understand as a Yoruba. If an itsekiri speak an Esan, Edo or Ijaw part of your ancestors will not understand.

Go to the Akoko Edos, many bears Yoruba names and its part of their traditions. Many part of Edo still speaks Yoruba language till today. You think we are not aware how cruel you people are to them?

Now tell me the name of your tribe before Oranmiyan came to Igodomigodo? You people calling yourself Bini today are descendants of Esan plus Yoruba. Period!

you have apex ignorance, have you even bothered to find out how the Esans got the name Esan in the first place, the Word Esan means they fled, it is a Bini word . Before the coming of Oranmiyan, we were called Ivbi-idu. Idu people. That is the earliest name of the Edo people , we still occasionally call ourselves that today

There are no Yoruba group in Edo state, in Akoko Edo, you have Okpamheri, Ososo, Uneme, Akuku,Okpe, none of them are Yoruboid linguistically. At least their first language has been studied and seen to be Edoid. Go and read comparative Edoid by Ben Elugbe. They only speak Yoruba as a second language to cope with their immediate Yoruba neighbors they are surrounded by. They are Edos living close to the Akoko area of the Yorubas and we see them as Edos


Edo is not related to Yoruba or rather the relationship Edo has with Yoruba is not innate or rather a blood related affiliation, it is geared more towards association, just like the French and English. So you can’t hear what we are saying

Christistruth00:



From your own Oba Erediauwa of Benin

Obagodo who took the title Ogiso established the Kingdom of Benin with a Large Retinue From Ile Ife


Ife Founded Benin!!!!!!!!

Oba Erediuwa is a Yoruboid Benin or seem to be one, the version of history from the palace has always been Yoruboid, if you tell this to the ogiamens and the core Binis, it is laughable to us, that has always been my stand here, i have been vocal about it, to your serious scholars here, scholes, etc not you that feed from crumbs.even to my own kinsmen areafada a Yoruboid Bini and to all other of my kinsmen here.

It has even caused me hatred, it is the palace version here that has always led to this back and forth and what we would term the yorubanization of Edo history

Bini did not have anything to do with Ife pre oba dynasty!!!!!!!!!!! Tell it to the Ogiamens and see them look at you as a clown. This is a family that actually thinks the Oba of Benin came from Yorubaland and they rented some parts of their land to him

The Ogiamen family is a might family, not a push aside, a visible one to all Nigerians, visibly opposed to the Obas family, in fact at every coronation of a new Oba, some Ogiamen family members are arrested because of scuffle between them and the Oba’s family.
You can’t do selective research on issues and be whole, you leave the Oba Erediuawa ikaladerhan story and you take the Obagodo, you claimed the first one is a blunder and the second one is not.

You quote the ogiamens when they say the Oba is a foreigner, won’t you bother to think about what they have to say about the Ogisos also, or it does not matter, that of the Oba whose story has been seen to be faulty on many grounds would do now because it suit your skewed narrative

funmijoyb:

First and foremost Benin is not a single tribe is combination of tribes of Esan, Ijaw, Idu and Yoruba people's merger. The Aborigines of Igodomigodo are the Esan people. before, many Yoruba had migrated into it and requested for a king from Ile-Ife to come and rule them. Oranmiyan a Yoruba prince and warrior came and defeated the Esan's Ogiso and chiefs of Igodomigodo. To make it a Yoruba town, he renamed the town he ruled Ile Ibinu in Yoruba language and imposed Obaship a Yoruba title on his new territory in an attempt to make it a Yoruba land just like other territories and towns founded by many Ile-ife princes
Till today Bini has a lot of Yoruba words used with Esan and other Igodomigodo languages.

Oranmiyan founded the new tribe "Bini" that is composition of Igodomigodo tribes eg Yoruba, Esan, Ijaw and Idu people. These combination of cultures and tradition is what you're calling Bini today.
Bini people are not of a single tribe. Yoruba played a vital role on Ile ibinu cultures and traditions.
In fact, many Yoruba sees it as a Yoruba land till today.

Benin is a single tribe with influence from other tribe just like Yoruba with influence and migrations from Bariba, Nupe, Edo, Fulani, returnee slaves from other countries and all.


You guys like to regurgitate things in ignorance, you read and listen to nonsense online and regurgitate without research. There is no Esan community older than urhonigbe or Udo and these are pure Bini communities. I dare you there is almost no word that is in the Bini lexicon, that is not also in Esan, yet again many of these words are cognates between Edo/Igbo/yoruba, e.g Okhorkor, Ologbo etc an ignorant person will just observe for Edo and Yoruba and not bother to check Igbo if there is a version of it there and assume it was borrowed.If you understand Edo, even if it is two percent, you will know Esan is the corruption and not Edo. If you observe how these clans migrated from Benin, the period in view, you would find out that the closest to Benin linguistically in Esanland according to their oral accounts migrated the latest.Igueben, Urohi till today is still 85 to 90 percent Bini.

Bini or Edo is a full tribe with linguistic presence in about 8,500km square expanse of land. Esan is spoken in a little under 3000 km 2 of land.tell me which is more dominant and visible. Oranmiyan’s presence does not extend beyond Benin city and a section of the western part,(bear in mind that90% of Binis residents in Benin city are from other Bini villages and towns,)In fact Oranmiyan sank in the Edo sea on ground.

Esan does not have an Ogiso, at best they experienced it with us, again Ogiso is peculiar to Bini/Edo. If Esan is to replicate in writing, it would be Ojiso, then the Urhobos would be Oviso,these are the three largest Edo groups in the Edoid linguistic space. That would already cement Edo/Bini as one of the three major languages in the Edoid linguistic space with it own unique pattern and structure.

This is corroborated by the fact that the Olu of Warri that migrated in the fifteenth century is styled the Bini title of king “Ogie” and not Ovie or Ojie the Urhobo and Esan version respectively. He is titled Ogiame tsuo and not Ojiame or Oviame, that is an Edo/Bini linguistic marker

Christistruth03:
Another pack of lies and Fake History

Obagodo who was also known as Ogiso Igodo was the Founder of Igodomigodo now known as Benin

Obagodo and his followers from Ile Ife were sent out by an Obatala dynasty king of Ile Ife

Obagodo is Yoruba for Oba Igodo


obagodo who founded Igodomigodo Kingdom with his followers from Ife was an Ife man believed to
be a Prince of the Obatala dynasty

Even Oba Erediauwa of Benin Wrote in his Biography that Obagodo from Ile Ife Established the Benin Kingdom

obagodo means Oba of Igodo in Yoruba and he was also known as Ogiso Igodo

Obagodo of Ile Ife Founded Benin and the Ogiso dynasty

there is nothing like Obagodo, don’t be a fool, there was no Yoruba presence in Benin kingdom pre Oba dynasty. It is istrictly Ogiso igodo. The way it is pronounced by people propagating the Obagodo already renders it useless. How will you have Ogiso ”Oba”godo alongside, it already renders it useless. That would mean king king godo

I am so happy that all our traditional rulers in Edo south are now gazetted, recognized by the government, paid their monies directly and will be given a staff of office by the government upon their ascension to these stools just as their counterpart in Esan and Edo north. Our land go rest now

Maberu:


you are an ani-mal from ile-ibinu. nobody from my ekiti come from that your 2 inconsequential local govt tribe of ile-ibinu.
Eranko jatijati

There is no king in your Yorubaland dead or alive whose immediate territory is bigger than that of the Oba of Benin. Edo south is like a state already. Landmass -4000sq miles equivalent to 10400kmsq in that seven local government area in Edo south

Population o- Voters registration figures shows there are at least 1.5 million people who has registered that are domiciled in Edo south.

The whole of Ekiti is sixteen local government with about 6000kmsq with about one million registered voters domiciled in her entire space.

It's the turn of the Esan

Ekealterego:
ah.
Today's Igala langauge is marginally intelligible with Yoruba.

They probably come from same proto-language.
Interestingly also, Igala and Benin seem to be the buffer zone or centre between Yoruba and Igbo.
They have an element of both.

Yes they have element of both. But one is Edoid and the other it's very nature is yoruboid even though there is a strong Igbo influence in Igala. Igala has element of yoruba because she is a brother tribe to yoruba linguistically unlike Bini which has some element of yoruba as well as Igbo mainly because of geography and association

YungMillionaire:
Reading through these posts I feel really embarrassed for the way the Bini revisionists go about their propaganda. It's pathetic and stupid. In Delta we have a lot of regard for Bini. But what I see on social media (not just Nairaland but twitter, tiktok etc.) makes me sad. How can you represent Bini by spreading easily debunkable lies all over the internet? This is weak and smacks of low self esteem. If you must lie at least do your homework to make sure that the lies are spurious enough to convince a few of the neutrals. Just like the ridiculous lie that turned Oduduwa an Ife man to a Bini man, these blatant lies will continue to expose you guys as incompetent propagandists. The reason some Binis desire to cut their obvious link with Yorubas is jealousy. They are jealous because Yoruba culture is very dominant. But if they are smart, they would preserve the link and use their strong Yoruba heritage to expand Bini influence (Yes I said it. Bini royalty was founded by Ife. The same way Itsekiri royalty was founded by Bini. Infact the only reason Itsekiri accepted a Bini prince was because it was understood that Bini royalty is Yoruba). But they won't do this because for some reason they foolishly think the only way to expand Bini influence is to destroy Yoruba heritage (an impossible task. How can you use weak online propaganda to destroy something centuries of slave trade and slavery could not destroy?). This is one of the dumbest strategies I have ever seen in my life. I know it is tough to be a minority tribe but [/b]stupidity will not give you relevance. Most of the places you go outside of Nigeria the only two tribes most people know are Yoruba and Igbo. If you go to France and say 'Bini' they think you are talking of Benin Republic. If you travel to South America the ONLY Nigerian words that ring a bell is Yoruba, Ife, and the names of the Yoruba dieties. So for those minority tribes in the South who have strong connections with Yorubas or Igbos why not take advantage of this connection rather than fight it? If I go to Brazil, Cuba, Colombia etc. as an Itsekiri man why shouldn't I emphasize my Yoruba heritage and still educate about my unique Itsekiri experience? Why shouldn't a Bini man do the same? Why lie to deny yourself of a rich cultural experience? Stupidity is a disease. It renders its victim blind to reality and wisdom. I weep for stupid people. There is no hope for them in this life.

See who is talking about minority tribe, your tiny tribe was 34,000 in 1952 while the Binis were about 180,000 to 190,000 that same year. Bini is 500% to 550 percent more numerous than your tiny tribe.

scholes0:



The Itsekiri population consolidated in the years afterwards.
And I said "In their kingdom", meaning that I am only referring to the populations of any of those afore metioned ethnicities within the warri kingdom

The others 'consolidated' too

This is your major point, I get it

scholes0:
I think what itsekiris need is a demographic/population boost from Southern Yorubaland.
They are being bullied in their own kingdom by slightly larger neighbours because they are at a demographc disadvantage.....

By the way... Ondo and Delta share a direct border... why is there no direct road linking the two states yet? (Hmmn, just checked my map, and the terrain looks impossible).... More Ikales and ilajes need to migrate to Delta and blend in with the Itsekiris.

The ijaws are doing it with their creek camps in Edo and Ondo State, the Yorubas should do the same.

Slightly where, Isoko itself is times two the size of Itsekiri, according to the 1952 census, Itsekiri was about 34 thousand, while Isoko on the other hand was about 74,000 thousand, infact there is no Edoid group that is not bigger than Itsekiri save for Uneme . That same year Owan/Ora was about 48 thousand,

Hassanmaye:

In government job your appointment start from the time you are employed, if you are employed at 40 for instance you will retire at 75 not 65

that's not true, it's either you spend 35 years in service, that's if you entered civil service before 25 or whichever age you entered, you retire at 60

SeaTrade:
Went out yesterday and decided to meet up with this girl that has been in my contact list for a while now.She's pretty sha I must admit.
First of all ,she was dictative which was a red flag.
Chosing where we'd meet and all that..
Asking if I was driving?Really? Is this still a big deal?
Got there before her so she couldn't see what I came in,when she came she had to even ask where I parked.
Funny how a person driving one 07 piece of shit with worn out tires dey want judge another person,you should be ashamed of yourself.
The conversation was sickening,independent this,I have my own money that ,I'm always busy,yada yada yada....I guess the clown doesn't even know being busy all the time is a tell tale sign of a person who's still actively engrossed in the rat race for survival.
Even asked how much money I make.
You never baff you dey want compete with tsunami,
PH is very limiting when it comes to quality women tbh.
Clear waste of time.

The Idea is to be free and be free early enough in life, I like this, your IQ level is high

See our bros o physics Qed, Mhd, Rnd, is one of the finest to ever grace nairaland and one of the most refined to ever grace the culture section

RedboneSmith:


My phone autocorrect did that. Since I set it to recognise Nigerian languages, it has been putting dots randomly on vowels. No time to be going back to edit. Lol.

Oh okay

darfay:


Extensive linguistics study still needs to be carried out on the origin of edoid people, their links and relationship between groups . I don't know much about Edo North and I'm aware they call God oghena which awfully similar to ours. The other day I got to find out that the ruler of weppa wanno people of Agenebode is called okumagbe which could be translated as unifier most like from the root word okugbe which is isoko for unity.

that's why they are Edoid languages sir, related lects. in Benin, we call unity-"Akugbe" that is what Esan call it too

RedboneSmith:


Origins in Edo North does not mean that the current occupants of Edo North birthed the Urhobo. In the same way, the origins of Indo-Europeans from the Ukraine area doesn't mean Ukrainians birthed the Indo-Europeans.

In the deep time when these events and first migrations were happening, none of the modern ethnic identities Ẹsan, Afenmai, Benin, Urhobo, etc, would have made any real sense to the peoples of the era.

From a linguistic POV, an Edo North origin for all Edoid speakers remains by far the best theory in scholarly circles till date.

The Benin migrations which are very alive in oral traditions belong to the era of Benin imperial expansion, and those Benin migrants already found Edoid-speaking people on ground in Urhobo/Idoko and Ẹsan areas.

The E is not usually dotted in Esan, it is Esan, the E is not pronounced the way the E in edo is pronounced

samuk:


There is a small difference between Delaiso and Laiso which I will not go into, but my dad insisted we stick with Laiso.

according to the video, they are the same thing and people usually greet La-Iso for convenience, La-Iso is like the short form as other people will usually greet And pronounce theirs La giesan instead of La-ogiesan, etc. You can check the video up, in the middle, there is the full form of the greeting for the five lineages and in the last part, it is La-Iso which people usually prefer to pronounce for convenience. You can check the first family there, and family 27 to 30
You can share what you think is the difference if you don't mind

samuk:


Apologies accepted. We must be ready to learn from each others and have cause to disagree with each others with superior evidence if we must advance our research into Benin history. I believe we are all still scratching the surface of Benin history.

Benin history is deep and buried in our everyday language, ancestral shrines (ukhure), festivals, arts, music, culture, traditions, etc. I have conceded to your submission in the past when I don't have enough information to counter your position.

There was a typo, this was what I meant

I am sorry, it is not what is stated there, it is not what I have known and it is not what I will accept online, I am sorry. I believe it would have been stated there if Oba Eweka 1 to Oba Ohen had a different salutation. Once again, I am sorry. La-Iso is a short form of Delaiso for all the five lineages there.

RedboneSmith:




That was helpful. Thanks.

You are welcome man

samuk:


Please go backand reread what I wrote, this time slowly.

1. I Told you about the reply to my family greeting which clearly states that my ancestor is a sibling of Ewuare 1, all you needed to have done is to find any Benin person around to confirm since it's clear you are not aware. All family in Benin have their praises that stands them out, if you are Benin as you claimed, you should have a family greeting and associated praise that stands your family out.

Benin family greetings and their associated praises are not for academic debate, except for those that reads fairytale in books.

2. I also stated that the current Oba asked one of his current chiefs to give the history of my family at Uselu while he was going through the Edaiken rituals.

3. I never said Delaiso.

4. With reference to contradicting my brother, we are presenting the Benin history based on our research. No one person is an expert in Benin history, there several areas yet untouched.

Stop rushing to reply to post, you or anyone else are not in position to lecture me on my family history.

If you must reply, I have a simple question for you.

Question:

1. What is the reply to Laiso and it's translation in English language.

I am sorry, it is what is stated there, it is not what I have known and it is not what I will accept online, I am sorry. I believe it would have been stated there if Oba Eweka 1 to Oba Ohen had a different salutation. Once again, I am sorry. La-Iso is a short form of Delaiso for all the five lineages there. You can check the family greeting twenty seven to thirty and also the first family, those are the only families that greet Delaiso or La-Iso, you can switch it whichever way, it is the same thing

samuk:


All Oba before Ewuare 1 greeted Laiso not La Ooni, I know this because I am a descendant of Oba Ohen. My ancestor was a sibling of Oba Ewuare 1 and this fact is clearly reflected in our morning salutation, infact it's the reply we get when we greet an elder. This is one of the reasons why Benin history is difficult to forge. There are too many references to disprove such forgery. La ooni must have been sneaked in to support the Benin Ife connection.

If the royal greeting before Oba Ewuare 1 was La Ooni, then my family would have still be greeting La Ooni but that is not the case. After Oba Ewuare 1 bought Lamogun from Igun Street, all subsequent Oba and their descendants carried on with Lamogun while those descendants of Oba before Ewuare 1 stuck with Laiso, at this point the current family reply was added to the greeting to maintain the family link with Oba Ewuare 1. Those that greet or familiar with Laiso know the reply.

When the current Oba Ewuare 2 was at Uselu going through the Edaiken rituals to become Oba, he requested a chief that represented one of the Laiso families to recount the history of the family before other chiefs, the chief did and Oba agreed that the chief was correct. I got this as a first hand information. I am closer to the palace enough to know which of this history is real and those that are political.

There are several branches of Laiso families but all go back to the same ancestor. This is why I advocate for Benin people to do research into their own family history.

Lineage greeting 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOBY3QxokR0

Lineage greeting 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LCaxmPdxQU

My brother there are seventy four lineages in Benin.

In that seventy four, there are five lineages that greet Delaiso or La-Iso

They are

Ohen Iso vbuwe sokponba
Enogie of Aho
Enogie of Ute
Enogie Iduwmungha
Ogiso dynasty

These are the five lineages that greet Delaiso or La-Iso in Benin.

Nowhere was it stated that any of the Oba's before Ewuare salute Delaiso. I presume your family is the first one, I would Ohen is a priest, Infact the literal translation of Ohen Iso vbuwe sokponba is The priest of the sky god that is located in Sokponba road. You must have mistaken it for Oba Ohen. I don't think your lineage is that insignificant for it not to be added there, or if all Oba's children from Oba Eweka 1 to Oba Ohen greet Delaiso it would have been added and stated there. Yours seem to be a new addition, I just heard this for the first time , it even contradicts your brothers comments, I have been in this city for over two score and half years, I just heard of it for the first time from you that some of the Oba's family greet Delaiso. Worst still, it is not even stated there.



Also according to the lineage greeting, it is stated that all Oba's dynasty from Oba Eweka 1 down to the present Oba all greet Lamogun.



So I might conclude on two things, that the Oba's family has saluted Lamogun from the very beginning as stated by your brother or as it was changed to Lamogun, a proclamation was made that all Oba's descendants from the first one would greet Lamogun.

Also I just checked, the correct pronunciation should be La-ini not La-oni as pronounced by chief Edobayakhae and the present family that greet Laini is the Ine'nigun. I seem to see a connection here.

Also whether they are all related, does not seem to be the meat of my argument, I would not want to talk on that

AreaFada2:



All Lamogun greeters descended from an Oba at one point or the other. Since Oba Eweka 1. One reason you see them across all of Edo South and beyond is that some may have been descendants of dukes sent to rule various parts of Edo land. Most dukes were princes and in the past few hundred years, exclusively princes. However, for some, their connection may lie too far in the past to know their exact royal ancestor but most will know which Oba they descended from.

There is no provision to give up Lamogun just because you were royally related too long ago. You keep your salutation in perpetuity unless female and married. You then follow your hubby's own.

Morning salutation or lineage is something every Benin person is proud of and won't relinquish it for any another salutation unless married females.

Some ancient dukes were not paternally related to Ogiso or Oba dynasty or were notable warriors or otherwise performed great deeds for the kingdom and may therefore have own unique lineage greeting granted them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZQZl-yyNqE

Timestamp 12:00
Lamogun according to Chief Edobayakhae was not the salutation of the Oba's family from the beginning,it was on that basis I made that comment
Chief Edobayakhae disagrees with you, according to him, it seems it was Oba Ewuare that bought it from Igun street, I would want to hold on to the fact that the descendants of the Oba's before Ewuare would or might still hold on to their La-ooni salutation, except a pronouncement was made that all Oba's descendants ( from Eweka 1 down)should start saluting Lamogun, or what Chief Edobayakhae said is not true, which is not the case here, I have seen a video of Imasuen corroborating what chief Edobayakhae said

Redbonesmith

RedboneSmith:


Can I ask you a small question? I was recently speaking with a man from Umoghun n'Okhua, and he said their greeting is Lamogun. I was under the impression that this greeting was exclusive to the Oba's family in Benin.

Are their non-Ọba lineages, especially in Iyekorhionmwon that use Lamogun?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZQZl-yyNqE

This is what this man had to say about it, that is the Esogban of Benin, the second most important chief in Benin after the Iyase, also he is currently 93 years old. Hear what he has to say about it. Timestamp 4:50-5:23


Building on that, there are 3 lineages that greet Lamogun in Benin. They seem to be break away lineages from that of the Oba of Benin. The answer to the greeting itself suggest so. The answer usually follows like this, Ovbi'Umogun'Oza, Ovbio-Oba dudu' Ovbia-Noyeama, Ovbia-nanioboda etc these are usually praises of the family when someone salute Lamogun

Even Izoduwa did not know he was from the Oba's family. He had done the history of his community and family before he found out that his family are not originally from the community he is from in Orhiowmon, but that they migrated down from Evbiewmen in Benin.

Now Evbiewmen is a quarter where Oba's other children are sent to reside when the first son is crowned. And maybe one or two other sons have been sent to man other communities. The rest are usually sent to Evbiewmen.

They are the Oba of Benin's family
Enogie of Ehor's family
Enogie of Ugboko Evbomode

lineage greeting 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpv5ykqlyGw
It is the second greeting there

Lineage greeting 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOBY3QxokR0

Lineage greeting 64 and 71, you will find the Enogie of Ehor and Enogie Ugboko Evbomode.

Now that there are families that are from the Oba's family but do not greet Lamogun is not in doubt. E.g lauhe etc but that there are families not related to the Oba that greet Lamogun alongside with the Oba is highly unlikely. Although According to Chief Osewmengie Ero, the Oba bought it from Igun street, but that any family alongside not related to the Oba's family will greet Lamogun wherever the person might even be in Benin Kingdom is unlikely going by what chief Esogban said in Timestamp 4:50-5:23.

And also alluding to the response giving to such person given to the person who salute Lamogun, it is exclusively the Oba's ego's response that is given

It is possible to greet Lamogun and not know you are related to the Oba's family (you might just explain it away with oh, maybe we are one of the descendants of Igun street people)until you decide to do your research and see that you are a migrant family from the community you are from and that you are related to the Oba

samuk:


Thanks for the correction, I knew atleast one of his sons was a musician, Isoken escaped me. You are also probably right about the year he died because I met someone in th UK around 1995 and he was listening to what he said was Ohenhen's last song, I asked if Ohenhen was dead and what killed him, he told me he was sick[b], I believe he said he played his last album in a wheelchair[/b]. I am sure how correct the story was.

I don't have any idea of that

samuk:


I believe Ohenhen had many children and I also believe atleast one of his sons Benard is a musician. I heard Atiti nu go was a real woman.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3b8zJSpeFc

Bernard is not his son, but his nephew, He died in 1994/1995, I am not so certain of the year anymore, He died of sickness, the nature I would not know, He has three children who I know sings, Terry, Isoken, And Kelly who is also called Nimien. Akhase was one of his first boys, He tutored Bernard O. But he was never his son biologically.

I am not a boy after all, I am an Odion.

Automaticmotors

davidnazee:


Do you know that a great percentage (over 95%) of Bini people don't believe that Yoruba origin for our monarchy. They either believe that Oduduwa is Ekaladeran or there is nothing like Oduduwa connection to bini monarchy.
It is only very few like UGBE634 and maybe his family members that will say our Oba is yoruba..

then you never waka Nazee, I have seen many Binis and many Ogie-amiens who hold on to that view, to them especially for the fact that the Ekaladerhan story started in 1978 but they will not go about arguing with you, because na fanatic full Benin

Edeyoung:


Just stop claiming our oba is of a yoruba ancestry you have no substantial prove for it, we all here have debated on the history for quite a long time, before now we all believe on the oduduwa crap of an history if we can change our mindset towards that side of history then we are not dogmatic like you assume us to be you're simplying not convincing us

I have been here for a while now, I have been convinced for some time now, but you can see I was never this assertive, even while Tao mentioned me severally when she was arguing to join her train, I never joined. The posts of mentions are here, it is not hidden

But what really got me to come out was that yourself and motors insulted me anyhow, I will wake up to see arrays of insult and mentions, I would get several mentions from Binis challenging my own viewpoint even though it might appear once a month. Not coming out will mean I am standing on that path without proof which was not true.

If you truly understand history, I would not take several oral account of different families and groups to be fake. Ogie-amien, Ogi-egor, Ife, Usen, Chief Edebiri and so on.

It might not be Oronmiyan or even Oduduwa, but one thing I am very certain of is that the patrilineal heritage of the Oba is foreign, and it tilts more 95% to the present day yoruba more than anything else. I am not so fixated on Ife, up to me, I would think he was an "Ekue" but to say that he was 100% Bini from the onset is highly unlikely

AreaFada2:

My brother, don't bother. Do not stoop so low.

Already you can see that anybody related in anyway to the palace or Oba dynasty would automatically earn his hatred.

Our people on the other side would say : À ń pe gbẹ́nàgbẹ́nà ẹyẹ àkókó ń yọjú

Sadly, when a serious discussion is to be had, anyone can show up on a faceless forum and feign Albert Einstein.

If you have don't have low IQ, you would know there is no way one can verify you are related to the palace,
Also I do not care whatsoever, I don't think I have ever approached you via any medium for assistance.

What led me to register here largely, I am achieving results, and that's what matters to me.

What I am happy about is that we did not write these things to hide it and show some selected few. It is on nairaland database, I am elated because anyone can read and verify that it was never about an hatred for anyone related to the Oba's family. My comment and Argument are on nairaland, where over millions of nairalnders can have access to it.

It is the same Oba ego you have, that's why you feel you can insult someone and because they have some form of respect, you will go scot free.

I have never impersonated the Oba's family even when I could have done so as this forum is faceless.

The Joy is that some of us are so proud of Our autochthonous heritage and will not relinquish it for anything, and we do hate when history is distorted to suit any part.

I am so sorry for busting your Obagodo myth, that must have busted a nerve, I had no choice as I seem to be unapologetically tied to the truth and would not want a distortion of our native history to suit any part.

If there is anybody that has distorted our history the most is the Oba's family, and in the process of correcting it, there might be inevitable bruises on the family. Correcting an history that was told by someone earlier which is false would seem to appear that you are calling the person a liar

If there is any Bini sect that should be more entitled to Bini history should be us-the natives. You cannot tell me how to comment as it pertains to my history, my story